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Removed quationable statements from the article:

It feels so damn good too! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.157.90.114 (talk) 17:58, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

It also helps -- as the erect penis head is swallowed -- to contract different throat and mouth muscle groups to massage for more pleasure. This can be tricky, but as long as you don't completely barf, he will enjoy!

Cite please?

It may help with the swallowing of semen, but the quantity of semen may, at times, triple in volume.

Cite please?

-- The Anome 01:43, 23 Oct 2004 (UTC)

I removed the statement

Because most women do not have the ability to take large penises into their throats...

I find this statement very questionable and require medical verification if it is to be kept. "Many women have difficulty learning" would be acceptable to me (though I have no verification even of that) but it is a skill that I find most women can learn. --Interesdom 07:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Training the Gag reflex is alot easier than avoiding it, I have done this and know it to be true. First a few things you need to understand,the fear of gagging, the fear of not being able to breath, its a panic feeling and your natural instincts are to get away immediatly.

Dont fear this, its all in your mind. to start training your gag reflex as the penis or dildo starts to make you gag STOP! do not go any further down or back out, wait for the feeling to end, then slowly try to proceed. repeat as necessary. (similar to when a person first uses contact lenses, after awhile you stop blinking when trying to put it in) CynicalAngel

Statement removed

Removed statement that It is usually helpful to have a willing ... partner — perhaps "legal" would have been a better word than "helpful". Vashti 16:49, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

eh

The 'examples' appears to be collection of semi-related porn. Seems like it should be deleted IMO.

I agree, it's not really informational, but more pornographic prose.

Again, this last site does not link to examples! It links to an adulot porn site, and this site changes daily. I'm all for oral action, but this is not the correct "example".

STILL NOT A LINK TO 'EXAMPLES'!!!!!! Link to a porn site. Grow up people....oy

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"Removed 'in pornography' link, which, though it did go to a deepthroat pornography site, it is prudent to remove this link, as the site is degrading and buggy.)"

I just removed the "In pornography link". I would like to further add and note the degrading manner in treatment and attitude towards women of the aforementioned offsite 'examples'. Stuff like - "bitches sucking it all the way dooowwn" and, this is a direct qoute - "By the time we were done with her, she had a nut mustache and was taking cumshots in her eyes!!!".

I hope I'm not overdoing this, but short and sweet, it was a link to a pornography paysite, and I'm sure with the already available description, we don't need that link there. RatherBeBiking 00:27, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Update - It seems that an unregistered user has reverted the change I made to the article because the material was found to be "relevant", despite my arguement on the talk page. I will not touch the article agian because I think it is safe to assume that this unregistered user serves only the purpose of keeping that link there, considering that it the single edit that user has made (64.32.94.105). There seems to be a general consensus here on the talk page to keep the 'examples' link out of the article, but maybe we should bring this to the next level? Anyone? RatherBeBiking 07:07, 14 August 2006 (UTC)


Women who are convinced that deep throat is impossible are the sort of women you don't want under your roof because they are the sort of worthless princess fantasy oprah-brainwashed cunt that is convinced she doesn't ever need to get good at anything to please you- she's already fabulous as possible, simply by breathing and spending your money and eating your food.

COPYRIGHT

The greater majority of this article is copied word for word from this site : http://www.deepthroatexpert.com/ Such content is copyright protected.

Agreed, 98% of it is just a copy and paste job that needs to be removed.

I agree too. That material is below rather than in the article. Why doesn't somebody take the following text as a starting point?

Techniques Since an average erect penis is longer than an average mouth depth, deep throating requires suppressing the gag reflex in order to partially swallow the end of the penis. In order to perform this form of fellatio, the sexual partner performing deep throat controls all the muscles at the back of the throat and flattens the tongue, while gradually inserting the erect penis completely.

In one variation of the technique, the fellatee will take an "upright" position, in which the fellator kneels in front of or otherwise faces the front of the partner to be fellated.

In another variation of the technique, the fellator lies face up on a bed, with his or her head hanging over the edge. For some fellators, this ensures that the throat and mouth line up, aiding penetration, and can also give the fellatee additional control over the act, which may be desirable if the couple is experimenting with domination and submission play.

Because mouth and throat structure (as well as penis shape) vary from person to person, different persons will prefer different techniques and positions, and some experimentation may be necessary.


Advantages Deep throating may facilitate swallowing of the semen, as the ejaculate may bypass most of the tongue and tastebuds, depending on the depth of penetration at the time of release. If the penis is held completely inside the mouth and throat as the man ejaculates, the semen may be released into the esophagus without the fellator having to swallow.

Additionally, many men enjoy the sensations and psychological effects associated with the act. Similarly, many women and men enjoy incorporating it into their sexual repertoires, particularly as a variation on other forms of fellatio. It may be difficult for some persons to learn, however, due to the requirement of suppressing the natural gag reflex.

I noticed this as well, but I more or less just stumbled across the article. No one has as yet undertaken the task of at the very least rewording the article, so if no one has removed the plagarised sections in a few days I will try and make the time to rewrite it. --CokeBear 14:27, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
Are you sure that it is not the Misplaced Pages article that has been copied? http://www.whois.net/whois_new.cgi?d=deepthroatexpert&tld=com seems to show that the domain has only existed since april 2006, does the wikipedia text outdate this? --Paulhurst 14:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

purportedly?

Cynthia Heimel can claim that the film was done by mirrors. But since the film there is plenty of other video evidence and individual experience to show the act is real and practised. Have removed the word "Purportedly" accordingly. Publicgirluk 06:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

image

The image could be better, and it suggests, but does not show anything specific. We should get feedback from many people, not just have one person decide. In the mean time, let's look for a better image. Atom 03:49, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

What do you think of one of these?

Atom 03:53, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

First, none of those images show the act described, and I can assure you from editing previous sex-related articles that this image is not useful and will be removed. I'll go get some other editors if you want. Jokestress 03:59, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
I edit "numerous" sex-related articles, and yet have the opinion I do that mediocre image is better than none. As for your comment, it seems to me that the two in the right are clearly deep throat. Just because it is not the "ideal" picture, doesn't mean that it does not show visually what the article discusses. As I say below I am always willing to give in to consensus, but it seems it has been your one opinion against two others, so far. Regards, Atom 04:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

user:Jokestress You seem to feel quite strongly about it. You are a more experienced editor than myself, and your opinion is important to me. However, I am frustrated that you have reverted several times without trying to work out a solution instead. I've suggested several other possibilities. To me, a lead image is important to give a visual idea of what is going on for visually inclined people. Even an image like the one we are currently talking about is better than no image. I've offered three other possibilities, of which the middle one comes the closest to being a good "fit". At the moment, it would seem that it is you against, and two people (the person who put the image in originally)and myself for. Let me know what you think, and more importantly, lets get feedback from a few others. I'm always willing to bend to consensus, or a more experienced wikipedian. Atom 04:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Just left a comment on your talk page. Let me know how you'd like to proceed. I can get a buncha folks over to weigh in if you wish. The problem with the image is that the recipient could be doing anything in the image you propose. If you can find a non-copyright image of someone deep throating, we can discuss the merits of that image, but sexually explicit images typically get removed unless they are considered critical to understanding the article. Jokestress 04:12, 10 September 2006 (UTC)


I think the second image shown above is probably as good as we are likely to get. I prefer an illustration over a photo when it comes to explicit acts. I'm fine with waiting to find a better image if that one is not acceptable to others.

In general I like all articles to have some visual to set the tone, to spark understanding without many words. If, as you say, there are unwritten policies, or policies in the works regarding explicit images, then we might as well wait. I can post to the administrators' noticeboard asking for a clear policy. I have been editing based on the policy that wikipedia does not censor. If there really is some form of censorship, then a policy defining that more clearly would be helpful. My guess is that the wikipedia lawyer does not want to give "official" policy to leave options open later. Also, my guess is that wikipedia may not want any censorship, but also recognizes the prudent necessity to not damage the future of wikipedia by inciting some kind of negative reaction and response externally. Anyway, more clear guidelines would be nice. Atom 04:46, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

I tend to agree, yes. —Nightstallion (?) 09:41, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Section on Risks

I think a section on risks involved in this technique should also be given. From my experience as a CSW, I know that only a very skilled person can suppress the gag reflex and perform this technique. Inexperienced persons are likely to hurt both parties involved. I am posting this considering the average age of wikipedia editors. Most of the senior administrators and bureaucrats belong to the vulnerable age group. I know that wikipedia is not legally responsible, but I feel we would definitely be morally responsible. I definitely don’t want to see newspaper articles blaming wikipedia for any kind of accidents.
We can even think of a warning template; like the spoiler warning template.  Dakshayani   തമ്പുരാട്ടി   04:55, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Ok, seriously, should we just put a disclaimer on every page? To be honest, this seems to be a ridiculous statement. Any "risks" involved would be fairly obvious, and putting a warning here would be like putting a warning on a curling iron saying "Do not insert in any bodily orifice" or putting "External Use Only" on a softball. It also does not take "only a very skilled person" to perform the act, and in fact to learn to perform it you have to do it. Practice makes perfect. And which kind of CSW are you referring to, a social worker or... something else? If it is something else, it starts to sound like an Electrician telling you that you should always call an Electrician to change a lightbulb "for your own protection". And what exactly is the "vulnerable age group"? Wow. "Suspected sock puppet" or no, this is just a weird statement all around.--CokeBear 14:23, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
I'm guessing his point was that this is a typical case of "start low, go slow" or pre-lawsuit-age Common Sense(tm), and that some people have dysfunctional self-preservation mechanisms (whether they never had any, or merely became reliant on ubiquitous warning labels). Your comment brings to mind a particular circular saw whose warning label was "do not attempt to stop the circular saw with hands or genitalia". While there are medical conditions that can make DT a risky proposal (STDs, nasal constrictions, jaw joint issues, epiglottis abnormalities, etc.), any specific information should be put in a seperate section.
As you said, for a healthy person, body control and training/desensitization, while being careful, is all that is needed. And I really don't think there are any "naturally skilled" people in this regard. Just for fun, I tried inserting a similarly sized/shaped object just now, and while it was mildly uncomfortable, that's all. Of course, I have an aversion to vomiting, and the supression of that over the years may confer some additional benefits with regards to gag reflex control, so YMMV. There really wasn't any triggering of it, though, except when in pressing on the uvula or epiglottis.
The epiglottis is generally not pressed on by deep throating, so the real trigger is probably a combination of the psychological component (which may be remediated with set&setting, agreed-upon non-verbal communication, arousal, etc.) and contact with the uvula. Most practicioners I've talked to have expressed that they learn to supress the gag reflex, although some have stated that the uvula becomes desensitized. Zuiram 19:15, 9 March 2007 (UTC)


gay deepthroat

the article doesnt seem to mention that men can deepthroat men too== Exclusion of a gay perspective on deep throating would be denying this entry a whole other and necessary facet...

I have tried doing this, using more "theirs" "his or hers" "she or hes" "receptive partner" "performer" "fellator" and "deepthroater" not done yetCholga 05:53, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

    • To this end, what makes female porn stars who can perform this act more notable than male porn stars who can? Quite frankly it is generally uncommon for a gay pornographic film to NOT have the male actors deep throat one another. CouplandForever (talk) 09:59, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Removal of image

I removed the image in accordance with the guideline Misplaced Pages:Profanity. In particular:

"Words and images that would be considered offensive, profane, or obscene by typical Misplaced Pages readers should be used if and only if their omission would cause the article to be less informative, relevant, or accurate..."

The article seemed just as "informative, relevant and accurate" without it, so I judged the image suitable for removal. It's likely to be deleted shortly for uncertain copyright status anyway. --Rrburke 19:37, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Pornography

It says right up in the title that this is an article about a sexual act, yet the bulk of the article seems to focus on its use in pornographic film. is there a reason for this? -MBlume 03:42, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Article

I've moved the majority of the material in this article to Deep throat in pornographic film, a new article. This is because I noticed that this material did not seem to be about deep throat as practiced by individuals concerned only with their own pleasure (as the article title implies) but as practiced by performers in pornographic films. If anyone thinks I was wrong to make this move, I would be glad to discuss the matter. -MBlume (talk) 08:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

external images

the over the edge of the bed image is very useful and informativeChuletadechancho (talk) 07:56, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Artist?

the use of the word 'artists' multiple times in this article made me chuckle... it's not exactly like you go to see pictures of deepthroating in galleries. 67.86.126.40 (talk) 22:29, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

gagging

gagging should be added, given an extra section. the differnece is that a woman which is deepthroating HAS the ability to take it in completely, while a woman that gags, or, as in most cases, is gagged, has still her full reflex, you know, i think there is even a whole part of porn films concentrating on this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.196.243.245 (talk) 18:57, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

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