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Difficult Job

TeaDrinker...Thank you for introducing yourself. I have recently been doing some research that is broad in it's appeal, and a lot less mundane than many of my graduate studies, so I've decided to begin sharing that research on Misplaced Pages. My first observation as a relative newcomer to the editing function of Misplaced Pages, is that it's good to know that there are people available to help and to step in when things don't go so smoothly. My second observation, after looking at your talk page, is that the job of admin certainly requires one to be able to understand and deal with a wide variety of complex issues and subjects. Thanks again for the introduction. Monoxide 08:13, 11 August 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monoxide (talk • contribs)

...TeaDrinker:

Interesting. After you posted your response to my question on the talk page for Russell Pearce, my submission was again deleted. The history page contained the following text regarding the deletion:

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01:03, August 11, 2010 Seb az86556 (talk | contribs) (11,762 bytes) (Undid revision 378304970 by Monoxide (talk) unreferenced) (undo)

The text says "unreferenced" even though I clearly referenced the material with relevant links to other Misplaced Pages pages. The submission was deleted by Seb az86556. Again, it appears that anything I post to this page is deleted without discussion (unless discussion means one brief word or two in the edit summaries on the history pages). This just doesn't seem right. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Monoxide (talk • contribs) 08:28, 11 August 2010

I gave a longer explanation :) Choyoołʼįįhí:Seb az86556 09:03, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

Reinstatement of UserPage

Hi TeaDrinker,

You deleted my UserPage, probably because I had not been active for a while. Is there a way to reinstate the page or is there another proper procedure to become active once again.

Thank you,

Ohio Boy (talk) 15:41, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

UserPage Shows After Draft is Moved

Thank you for your response. It was very helpful. I created a new userpage and used it to draft a new article. However, when I moved the article to the mainspace, the userpage appeared to be published also. A search of the article name on Google shows User:Ohio Boy/The Intangibles of Leadership. It redirects to the article in the mainspace, but should the userpage version appear at all? Did I miss a step in the moving process?

Thank you.

Ohio Boy (talk) 16:30, 20 August 2010 (UTC)

Welcome

Welcome to the asylum... are you starting to get a good feel for the level of pedantic, lawyery, tendentious bullshit some of us deal with every day?  :) This is an honest and heartfelt "thanks" for jumping in with both feet. //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:41, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Ha, so we're around the same wiki-age.  :) I didn't mean to sound like I thought you were a new editor, I just meant welcome to the insanity of the FNC RFC. I really do always approach the arguments from a policy/AGF perspective, but these guys make it really hard to keep that assumption up for long. Usually when I ask for help people think I'm just being overly dramatic... it's nice to see some other rational being stop by and realize it really is that bad. Not in a schadenfreude kind of way, but rather to see my thoughts validated through observing someone else going through it. These guys are True Believers -- no amount of policy, other editors' comments, or blunt facts can turn that ship (which always seems to be pointing starboard). I digress... :) //Blaxthos ( t / c ) 23:59, 25 August 2010 (UTC)

Julia Gillard

You claimed on my talk page that no recent election has been held. An election was held on 21 August.Enidblyton11 (talk) 12:04, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Martyr's Shrine

Thanks for changing the redirect to a dab page. Regarding the name of the page, I propose changing it to Martyrs' Shrine (disambiguation), i.e. the grammatically correct form with (disambiguation) appended because we already have Martyrs' Shrine. The latter should be equipped with a hatnote linking to the dab page. Finally Martyr's Shrine should redirect to Martyrs' Shrine and be tagged with {{R from misspelling}}. I think this structure is the most logical, as two of the three choices on the dab page have names involving Martyrs'—I'm not sure what the Australian band intended. What's your opinion on this? Favonian (talk) 19:55, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

netatown

Thank you TD for your explanation. Htkirk (talk) 20:33, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Teabagger

Thank you for deleting my rag nymph page. The rag nymph is a local legend here on the rail road. If you search YouTube rag nymph loves the sweet you will see what I mean. Thank you for your attention in this matter, MIKE

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.238.235.3 (talk) 12:28, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Basket of Puppies 20:12, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi - I want to thank you for backing up what I interpreted to be wikipedia's policy on speedy deletion (A7) on Menage a Twang. I would like to know if you think the article I created was sub-par as a 'stub' - I generally try to create stubs for any subject which I think is notable, but don't know much about myself. I try to add enough to at least defend against A7, and hopefully enough for WP:MUSIC as well - and I like to allow people actually familiar with the subject to fill in the rest. In the past this has worked very well as far as I've seen, since a lot of people who know a lot about subjects are intimidated about creating articles, or don't know the right way to do it all the time. Any feedback you can offer would be appreciated - I seem to have angered the user I was discussing it with, as he seems to be going through pages I created and nominating some for deletion now. Thanks again. Tduk (talk) 17:46, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I thought that the whole point of having the two processes was so that speedys could remove obvious SPAM, while anything actually potentially noteworthy would go through AfD, hopefully after having some time to let people improve it. Tduk (talk) 18:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Also, should I be concerned that this user seems to be stalking my edits and nominating pages I created for deletion? I guess this is probably acceptable under wiki policy but it seems to be both kind of concerning for myself personally, and seems to be a waste of time for everyone involved with the discussions, if the user is doing it out of spite. Tduk (talk) 18:08, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. I'm a little confused, as actually, I've been contributing (slowly) to wikipedia for about a year, yet this user who has (after using some sort-of insulting language on the discussion page for Menage a Twang) apparently nominated some of the articles I've just created for deletion (only after arguing with me and seeming to get angry) has only been on here a month. Is this common, for a user who is so new to act so familiar with wikipedia, and to claim to know so much more about wikipedia policy, and use tones of voice such as this? I've never encountered this kind of thing before. Tduk (talk) 18:33, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

hey just wanted to let you know

just wanted to let you know your a douche, uhhh yup ya are. wikipedia has an article about coyote ugly the movie, coyote ugly the bar, and liliana lovell the bartender there. though when i try to write an article on a bartender that is known nationwide, and done and been through more then liliana lovell you deleted it. I know it wasn't the greatest article but i asked for more time to finish it, because i was tired and it was getting late but, nooo you deleted it anyway. so thank you. Also just because your an archeologist and such doesn't make you a literary arts major, oops i am, so yeah, as a literary arts major who has written many reports i say things for using your all mighty powers to be a douche. (and yes as a person educated in the literary arts i could think of something better then to call you a douche, i'm just to upset and childish) have a lovely day —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.215.60.18 (talk) 02:53, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

User warned for WP:NPA.  Chzz  ►  15:03, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Outsourced episodes

My rationale for nominating List of Outsourced episodes for CSD as promotional was that the show has not yet aired, so an episode summary at this point sounds like a promotional leak. Was I being overzealous? Supertouch (talk) 00:05, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Supertouch, I don't think you were, no; it's a bit debatable to call it 'promotional', it's more a case of WP:CRYSTAL - I don't see how we can have a list of episodes when only one has aired, and I can't see RS supporting even a list of the remainder. See my own thread, down a bit. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  15:04, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

Supertouch, i think you were being overzealous. The show has not been cancelled (as of my writing this). The episodes exist whether broadcast or not. To write of them before broadcast would be a spoiler, which WP allows. If you have the press release and the EPK video(s) for an episode you can usually write a fairly comprehensive episode summary. When i found this particular list it needed some work. I also found there to be a battle over deleting it as promotional. It needed copy-editing and referencing. Instead it was deleted and now i have nothing to improve upon. delirious & lost ☯ 08:53, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - Advice Appreciated

Thank you for the assistance with the "speedy delete" tag on my biographical page. I did indeed make the initial entry, based on my standard bio used for university concert programs and other professional activities, and have added to it and tried to keep it up-to-date.

I would like to be sure that the page is useful as a reference, and if you have any specific suggestions for its improvement, I would be grateful for your opinion. Meanwhile, I do occasionally contribute to other pages, and have written a few from scratch. I can't spare too much time for Misplaced Pages, but I do think it is a valuable resource, and I'd like to make what modest contributions I can.

Seaghdha (talk) 05:16, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

List of Outsourced episodes

Hi there.

Regarding the speedy on that, that you removed and changed it to a redirect; I do understand, however (hehe, you knew there was a "however" coming there, right?!)...

The show does, indeed, exist. But, it has not yet aired, and there are no RS giving the episode names. Therefore, any such list is pre-emptive, WP:CRYSTAL. The list has been repeatedly created and CSD-tagged, and it is therefore a target for some somewhat creative original research.

With this in mind, would you mind reconsidering the CSD, please.

The redirect serves no useful purpose, and actually creates a loop, currently, from the show article infobox itself, ie Outsourced (TV series) infobox pointing to List of Outsourced episodes which redirects back to the show. Yes, that link could be removed, but that's not really the problem.

Simplest, delete it.

If not, we can move to PROD, AfD, etc; but I hope you'll understand what I've said, and we can avoid hassle. Many thanks.  Chzz  ►  14:52, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

c/e first episode aired, 12 hours ago. Same still applies though. Can't have an article on episodes for just one episode.  Chzz  ►  14:55, 24 September 2010 (UTC)

For the record, i asked Chzz for an opinion on List of Outsourced episodes and Chzz' opinion and help was to request on my behalf that you delete the article. Thing is Chzz got my position on this 100% wrong. I never asked Chzz to get it deleted. I couldn't believe that there was a fight over CSDing an episode list as promotional and for that reason i brought it to Chzz' attention (for amusement purposes). Chzz then made the above request, apparently with the belief that it is what i wanted. There was no cause to delete it in the first place. It needed copy-editing and referencing. It actually sets a precedent that all episode lists are inherently promotional and need to be deleted - evidenced further by not including any information in the main article when you killed the list of episodes. Last i looked at this it was left alone. Fighting with Chzz about this had me do anything else. Another episode aired a few hours ago. I thought to give another go at it. I found the article deleted. delirious & lost ☯ 09:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. The article list was probably premature to create, given that it was before the start of the show. However perhaps the more significant concern was that the episode summary was a copyright violation (although I think I labeled it a redirect deletion). We don't really have a precedence system here, except by consensus. Hope this clarifies my end of things. --TeaDrinker (talk) 09:14, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

The query i put to Chzz was how to i approach you with questioning your action (the redirect) and not offend you. The copyvio, i was in the process of re-writing it when Chzz gave me links to the request for deletion of the article. Rather a turn-off to fixing the problems; more like incentive to not bother. Part of not bothering was not keeping a copy of what was there and what i had written-but-not-saved. With the article being deleted it is also now outside of my scope as i don't do recreations of deleted content (tried twice, too contentious to be worth the time). Thing of this is the ratings for Outsourced are relatively fabulous (of the NBC Thursday it is only bettered by The Office; beats 30 Rock, Community, and The Apprentice) which means the show is not likely going to be cancelled any time soon. If Chzz hadn't requested deletion the copyvio would have been replaced within that hour. More than a week later two episodes have aired, two more are available to properly source, and the show is a hit for its broadcaster. Having an episode list would be nice. delirious & lost ☯ 11:12, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate your position; if you want to recreate the article without the copyvio, I won't delete it. However I can't promise it won't be sent to AfD, since as noted, it is a new series. If you'd like, I can even copy the deleted version (absent the material under copyright to your userspace for continued editing. If you see another option, let me know. The last thing I think anyone wants is to be discouraging to great editors such as yourself. Thanks, --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:49, 2 October 2010 (UTC)

Deletion Wars Continue...

Hello again.

It seems that Xanderliptak has returned to his crusade against Andrew Stewart Jamieson, now leading a discussion about the deletion of his page XfD today. I wonder if you would take a brief look at Jamieson's page and determine if the deletion discussion has any real merit. I am of the opinion that it does not, and I have added two references for books illustrated by Jamieson. One of these (Dictionary of Heraldry) was a major contribution to the field.

The bottom line still appears to be that Xanderliptak is an aspiring heraldic artist who is interfering with the Misplaced Pages page of an established and respected heraldic artist. At best, this is a seeming conflict of interest. Meanwhile, Xanderliptak has contributed many of his heraldic drawings and paintings to Wikimedia Commons (some of which are flawed, according to experts known to me, particularly with respect to Russian heraldry). It appears that by having his name attached to an increasing number of images on Misplaced Pages while advocating the deletion of other artists' pages, he hopes to engage in self-promotion "through the back door," as it were.

The Andrew Stewart Jamieson citation tag kurfuffle was what ultimately led to Xanderliptak's targeting my page for speedy deletion. From my perspective, this seems to be merely personal animosity masquerading as editorial fastidiousness.

With thanks for your work,

Seaghdha (talk) 21:40, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't care anymore...

Thank you for your efforts, but it is clear that Xanderliptak (and at least one other user he's been able to enlist) simply wants to be a nuisance. Monitoring his activity is a colossal waste of my time, and I'd rather see the article Patrick O'Shea deleted than continue to deal with him.

I am willing to abide by an administrative determination of notability, and would be happy to try to improve the article, but I'm not going to "babysit" it 24/7 because I've irritated somebody who is, himself, using Misplaced Pages improperly to gain notoriety. My only potential regret concerning deletion would be that Xanderliptak will be emboldened to use this tactic as a weapon in the future when his edits are disputed.

Seaghdha (talk) 23:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:NPA and "Fox News Controversies"

As you are an admin participating in the development of the above, you will note that several editors appear to be injecting non-topical PA into the ongoing discussion. Please consider the propriety of those comments per Misplaced Pages policy within that article talk environment. Thanks. JakeInJoisey (talk) 14:55, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Re: Barnstar

Thank you :D Tbhotch 17:16, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my page. Keep on fighting Vandalism!--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 00:36, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Just wondering, is it possible to block an entire proxy?--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 00:42, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Talkback

Your abuse response request

Unfortunately the IP you listed, 129.94.130.81, does not meet our criteria for investigation as it has not been blocked 5 times. Mr. R00t 18:10, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Recent IP block

87.40.24.232 (talk · contribs) - WHOIS turned up HEAnet, Ireland's National Education & Research Network - I added that as a header. I was going to to give a longer schoolblock, but I see you've blocked for 21 hours. It's a bit time-consuming, but I find quite a few IPs that are actually educational ip addresses. Dougweller (talk) 14:19, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for checking! I have no objections if you think a longer block is in order. I usually just go for the longer blocks when I see a series of shorter blocks (and no good edits mixed in). But schools do have their constant vandals. Feel free to change my block as you see fit. Many thanks! --TeaDrinker (talk) 14:24, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

No problem. Dougweller (talk) 14:30, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Kabul Medical University (Peshawar)

Sorry for a late response. I just started university and have gotten very busy in it. You can find the list of medical colleges of Pakistan which I made this September. There is no college with the name of Kabul Medical College located in Peshawar or anywhere else in Pakistan. This is to the best of my knowledge and the search engines like Google. Kabul is the capital of Afghanistan, a country located just north-west of Pakistan. It is very likely that the university exists somewhere in Kabul of Afghanistan. It does have a website. There is also a possibility that the creator of the page must have confused Kabul Medical College with Khyber Medical College (located in Peshawar). In any case, the problem is now solved now as the word 'Peshawar' is no more in the title of Kabul Medical College. Even if there is a college with the name of 'Kabul' in Peshawar, it is not notable according to internet sources and should be ignored on wikipedia. Otherwise, its okay. Thanks! Farjad0322 12:22, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I am sorry, I didn't notice the article was still there. The article is a complete hoax...and it should be deleted. See talk page of that article. Farjad0322 16:26, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Hey

Think you can help me with an issue on my talk page? It seems the user doesn't understand why his image isn't suppose to be on the page. Thanks.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 22:04, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It is tricky since it is a content dispute and the page is up for deletion. I wouldn't worry too much about the image since it seems unlikely the page will survive AfD. Otherwise, try to engage the editor on the article talk page. If the editor refuses to discuss it, we can look at other options like blocks, etc. for disruptive editing. Hope this helps, --TeaDrinker (talk) 02:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright thanks again man. Hopefully this doesn't continue tomorrow as I don't really want to be dealing with something like that on a Friday. XD--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 02:32, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Atlantis Group

Could you advise on the repeated editing of this article to turn it into an advert for the company. Users ForeverPhoenix (talk · contribs), 82.70.30.238 (talk · contribs), A34hgb89gghz (talk · contribs) and a couple of the other IP editors are almost certainly the same person or persons at the company. They confirm it in their last edit. I have left several warnings on the talk page of A34hgb89gghz but it hasn't made any difference. What is the best way to proceed to ensure the article remains balanced. I have tried to include positive and negative items in the article and links to their own website and customer reviews etc. I have reverted again but am wary of doing that too often. Thanks for any suggestions. Cumbriangirl (talk) 23:12, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi! I just saw this on the watchlist and I have submitted a report of sockpupperty for the accounts here. Feel free to comment it on as you seem to have more experience with the page.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 23:47, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

It looks like the "three" editors who were adding links and pro-company views were all blocked as socks. The page was fully protected by Toddst1 (talk · contribs), I left a note asking it be moved to semi-protection. Thanks for bringing it to my attention and let me know if there are any other problems. Thanks again to both of you! --TeaDrinker (talk) 02:20, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks! Cumbriangirl (talk) 09:11, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

External Links

Can you explain why my external links have been removed. They were genuine links to reviews and interviews with music artists. How is this spam?!

Pitcher10 (talk) 15:49, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Your Abuse Response Filing

Greetings! Thank you for your abuse report 129.94.130.81. However, the report does not meet our criteria: an IP (or user) must have been blocked at least 4 times. If you can link other IPs to the same user, please let us know so we can open a new report. Thanks!!!!    Thorncrag   21:07, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

/me drinks another cup of coffee.... CHEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!    Thorncrag   21:08, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Just letting you know that Cirt took a look at the report and ranged blocked them. Since another one of them posted on your page and I just reported him and posted the report with it.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 20:18, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

86.138.166.23

Thanks, but they will come back, as another one, they have went through many IPs, and James had protect many of the pages. I always find that their blocks are just too short but that is just my opinion.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 18:46, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

It is quite possible. Our usual tools are blocks and page protections, but often the occasional revert and block is preferable to more drastic measures. How many pages are we talking about? --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:58, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I am not quite sure as I don't really watch many of the pages. User:TheRealFennShysa usually watches them and admin User:JamesBWatson has protected many of them himself due to IPs hopping.
--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 19:03, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Wiki101012

How do I talk to you? Is this the way? Just checking out wiki's reliability issues. I'm just interested to know how the pages are moderated? Thanks! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki101012 (talk • contribs) 07:11, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

The Childrens Investment Fund

The wikipedia States it was founded in 2003 yet an articel by you states it was founded in 2002? which is more creditable? neither! wikipedia has not creditabilty. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Boraboy4ever (talk • contribs) 04:19, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages has no integrity its all plagiarism. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.51.149.25 (talk) 12:48, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Then get off the site. I bet the IP and Boraboy are the same editor.--iGeMiNix/What's up?/My Stuff 12:50, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Possible. Hopefully it is not necessary to use that information. -TeaDrinker (talk) 15:33, 13 October 2010 (UTC)

Question?

I am trying to learn the Wiki ropes and am doing as Wiki suggested and starting with existing articles and picked a difficult topic/subject for my first leap (the Corrections Corporation of America page), I noticed that you'd made some comments. I am trying to make the article more encyclopedia and less "advertisement." I am also working on finding sources for sections that are missing some. Do you have any suggestions on that particular article to make it less of an advertisement? Thank you so much for all your feedback ... this has been quite the learning experience! Esruon (talk) 20:53, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

JamesBWatson (talk) 10:24, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

User:Sunrise Hunter

The subject choice of this indefinitely blocked vandal Sunrise Hunter (Meher Baba and climate change) suggest to me that it's a sock of indefinitely blocked Jones.liam. Flower Taster too, who followed a similar pattern and edited User talk:Jones.liam. Possibly Lie Killer is another sock (topics in common with Sunrise Hunter are the user page User:Viriditas, climate change, criticism of Misplaced Pages and the recurrent phrase "sold its soul").

That's four suspected socks in four days. Do you think this is worth a sock puppet investigation? --TS 11:19, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I'd put money on the relatedness of those accounts. Is there an advantage to a sock investigation when the editors are all quickly blocked indef? Unless we need to open a long term abuse case, I am not clear on the benefit of knowing for sure those are socks. --TeaDrinker (talk) 18:11, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

I was thinking in terms of long term abuse. This fellow seems to have become quite attached to Misplaced Pages before he was blocked, so I suspect he'll find it quite difficult to find another hobby. I'll hang on for a few weeks and see how often he comes back. I think there can be a benefit from tracking the evolution of sock puppeteers as they learn their trade, and developing tracking data fairly early on when the logs are fresh is presumably easier. Tasty monster (=TS ) 00:35, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

That's a good point. Let me know if there is anything I can do to help. --TeaDrinker (talk) 00:36, 20 October 2010 (UTC)