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Anyone interested in why I moved the page can find the discussion in Talk:Scholastic Achievement Test. I couldn't seem to make the talk move with the main page. Ortolan88

"Beginning in 2005, the SAT includes a writing section, which has less of a correlation to IQ."

I removed that. It's too bold a claim, since (as far as I know) no one has conducted studies on the link between SAT Writing score and IQ.

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I hope some of Ralph Nader's criticism of the SAT will also find its way into this article, tnx n8chz

Well, gee, put it in. Did Ralph have anything to say that isn't in there already? I thought the president of the u of cal was pretty damn devastating. Ortolan88

"often referred to as the college boards" - Nope, I've never heard of these terms being used before. Where did this come from? --Jiang 20:56, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It was written by Isis who has now left Misplaced Pages. However, a Google search does show quite a few uses of the term. Angela 21:17, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

This use seems very obscure. The sites that use them are not prominent. I couldnt find the use for this purpose on the college board site itself. I vote to remove that phrase. "Often" is definately the wrong word. --Jiang 21:13, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I can't really comment as I'm not American so I don't know what people do call their tests. Remove if you feel it isn't a common enough usage. Angela 21:17, 30 Jul 2003 (UTC)

It is administered by the college board, which may be seen by visiting http://www.collegeboard.com --Undercooked

I have heard them referred to as "the boards" or "the college boards" mostly by people of my parent's generation (who took them in the late 60s/early 70s) -- it may have few internet references mostly because people haven't initially thought about them for a while. 18.214.0.181 01:08, 14 December 2005 (UTC)

This should probably be removed: "As a gauge, state universities require an 800 score (both parts added) while Ivy League schools generally expect a 1400 for admission. The SAT is offered every year in October, November, December, January, March, April, May, and June."

I'm not sure what the mean score is for the Ivy schools (Brown, Columbia, Cornell, Dartmouth, Harvard, Princeton, Yale), but I doubt that it's 1400. My guess is that the range (25-75%) is closer to 1450-1600. As for state schools, the top tier universities usually accept a range (25-75%) that's probably closer to 1100-1400. Since admissions processes have been getting increasingly competitive and selective, the figures in this article seem outdated. In addition, this distinction between Ivy schools and state schools is too simplistic. A number of state schools are about as competitive as the Ivy ones, such as Berkley, Chapel Hill, and UVA. A number of private schools are also even more competitive than most of the Ivies, such as MIT, Cal Tech, and Stanford.

But the biggest flaw is the lack of arguments in favor of the standardized text. There is a great deal of evidence demonstrating its usefulness as an indicator of undergraduate success.

172 06:53, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I removed it. See: --Jiang

Good. Perhaps you'd like to add more content. I don't know your feelings on the exam, but perhaps you could balance the article with favorable views. You're probably much more well versed in the subject than I am, given what I see on your user page. 172 11:19, 31 Jul 2003 (UTC)

I went ahead and deleted some absurd POV against "slashdot geeks" that apparently no one noticed for a while. MattH 05:59, 27 Aug 2003 (UTC)

Added content

I added some more content. Stuff someone should add soon:

• links to more statistics
• sample questions
• comparision with PSAT, etc

Also, I feel there should be a rebuttal of some of the criticism (for example, IIRC, Asians score slightly higher than whites on the test) but I'm unsure how to do this in a NPOV style.

I keep switching the "five column grid" phrase in the SAT Reasoning Test section to "four column grid," because that's what actually is. I have proof: [[http://www.collegeboard.com/student/testing/sat/prep_one/spr/prac/prac01.html SAT Student-Produced Responses]] Whoever is switching it back should stop.

Hm. Sorry, for some reason I kept thinking you were changing the one referring to the usual five-column grid. Hope you weren't discouraged or anything. Johnleemk | Talk 16:33, 27 Nov 2004 (UTC)

'k, I may have goofed on that one. Like the posters say, given the %&#^#@ that's ongoing in that country it's too hard to tell. Kwantus 14:01, 2004 Dec 18 (UTC)

What are the SAT subject tests (SAT II) for?

What is a perfect score on the SAT I?

New SAT

OK, since the New SAT has officially been administered for the first time (I took it yesterday, yay!), I think it's time to update the information to reflect this as the primary area of information (currently, it pretty much sums up the old version and then briefly comments on the new one). Any objections?--User:naryathegreat(t) 20:45, Mar 13, 2005 (UTC)

I support this move. We shouldn't remove info on the old version, though; just add more on the new one. Johnleemk | Talk 12:49, 14 Mar 2005 (UTC)

English SATs

My mistake, there is some information on the disambiguation page. Still, maybe it should be more prominent?

Is 800 on a section really "perfect"

I read somewhere that each section of the test is actually graded 0-1000 and that because tests aren't as accurate on the extremes, anything above 800 is reported as 800 and anything below 200 is reported as 200. The GRE subject tests were this way. If this is true then 800 isn't really "perfect". Does anyone have any information on this? Bubba73 (talk) 21:01, 14 September 2005 (UTC)

I've heard of this before, but since there's no way to verify this AND even if such a scheme could be proven to exist, the 800+ scores aren't reported, so 800 would still be the official perfect score. Johnleemk | Talk 15:37, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

It would mean that you probably didn't get every question right, even if your score was reported as 800. Years ago, I made 910 on the GRE math subject test. Later they anounced that scores over 800 would be reported as 800. And I certainly missed some questions on the test. Bubba73 (talk) 18:52, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

See the Snopes link in the article for more info on scoring. Scores under 200 aren't reported. As for why the scale only goes to 800 and not to 1000, that has to do with how they convert the "raw" score into a "scaled" score. I'm pretty sure it at least *was* possible to get 800 without getting every single question right, before the new SAT was introduced. I'm not sure how, but if I had to guess, I'd say it's related to how the scores are all multiples of 10. So if you got 798 or so, maybe they round it up. But this is just a guess, so don't assume it's correct! --68.239.189.53 08:25, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

That's not how it works actually. The score is a scale, meaning that each and every score must correspond to a score between 200 and 800. There aren't any scores below 200 so they couldn't be reported anyway. It's not a question of changing the score, it's a question of the raw score. The raw score is the score you earn based upon the point value system awarded to right and wrong answers (1 point for each right answer, no points for a blank one, and -1/4 of a point for each wrong answer). You receive a raw score on each section of the test. The collective raw scores are put through a complicated process and then a scale is created which matches up to the raw scores. The scale will always be 200 to 800.

At a certain point the raw score translates to 200 and every raw score below that becomes a 200 as well. It's usually somewhere around 0 I believe. At the high end some raw score becomes 800 and any score higher than that is an 800 as well. There are no scores outside the 200 to 800 range, either internallly or otherwise. However, there are raw scores outside the normal range which correspond to the 200 to 800 range. The range of raw scores is different for each test; it is based on the results of people who took that particular test. For instance, one almost always needs to make a perfect raw score to make an 800 on the math section, but one hardly ever needs to do so to make an 800 on the writing section. However, the opposite could be true; it all depends upon the performance of the individuals on the test date.--naryathegreat | (talk) 23:23, 26 November 2005 (UTC)

Suspicion

"The newly added writing section anal-lyzes the students capability."

was written by User:65.120.80.8 who has made lots of bad edits on various pages. You should double check it. ABostrom 23:08, 29 November 2005 (UTC)

It's not really inaccurate, but it is redundant. Thanks. Johnleemk | Talk 06:52, 30 November 2005 (UTC)

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