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    Jo0doe

    Result: Jo0doe blocked for 1 year
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Jo0doe

    User requesting enforcement
    Faustian (talk) 15:04, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Jo0doe (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Digwuren case Scrolling down you will see: *Jo0doe (talk · contribs) banned permanently from all pages relating to Holodomor, broadly construed. This is due to persistent vios of WP:TALK and WP:SOAPBOX. Moreschi (talk) 10:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. See here for the full discussion. In this case he wrote ""At early days of it appearance People's Militia involved in the extermination of the soviet civil specialists which originated from East regions of the USSR." Jo0doe (talk) claimed that this info was on page 229 in the source. This is completely false. There is nothng about this on page 229. However, on page 232 in the same source, at the top ""first of all the duty was to defend the local population from attacks by the shattered and undisciplined remnants of the Red Army, they also killed organizers of Communist uprisings or Soviet parachutists caught behind the German lines, maintained order by confiscating weapons, registering former Communist officials and specialists that had been sent from the eastern regions of Ukraine, returned things that had been stolen from state warehouses and stores, defended important points, destroyed symbols of Soviet power and were involved in solving criminal cases. In line with brutal wartime policies, members of the People's Militia shot on site people caught looting, theft of personal or state property, hiding unregistered firearms or Soviet sevants, officers or diversionaries. Not rarely, there were also cases where the militamen took part in German anti-Jewish actions. It's known that militiamen took part in obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs." He changed the words "registered former Communist officials and specialists that had been sent from the eastern regions of Ukraine" (on page 232) into "At early days of it appearance People's Militia involved in the extermination of the soviet civil specialists which originated from East regions of the USSR." Please see the link to the talk page for the link to the original source (which is online) and feel free to verify translation with googltranslate.
    2. Same passage was misused. JD used the origianl source's statement "Not rarely, there were also cases where the militamen took part in German anti-Jewish actions. It's known that militiamen took part in obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs." to support the phrase: "Members of the Ukrainian People's Militia took part in round-ups of Jews for mass executions and participate in it, escorted Jews to their forced labour sites and create an early ghettos." As a source he used this: "Full discussion, including links to the original article that had been misued, and translations, are here: .
    3. On an article's talk page. An author writes about how Ukrainian nationalist extremists had motivation to murder Polish profesors and describes these motivations. The author then states tht the Germans had better motivations to commit this crime and after that devotes pages to describing how the German Nazis, rather than Ukrainian nationalists, most likely did it. Yet in the talk page JD just translates the first part and proposes putting it into the article. He states about that source: "He conclude that the personnel of the Nachtigall_Battalion (the Ukrainian nationalists - Faustian comment) have all reason to murder them - becouse they are 1) Poles 2) Intelligentsia and as a last - they interract with regime. That's the full scholar text." No, it wasn't the full scholar text because the scholar, in the next sentence, wrote: "But even more reason for their elimination had the German spetshrupy that followed the orders of the chief Nazi security police and security services, SS Obergruppenfuhrer R. Heydrich on June 2 and July 1, 1941 which stressed the need to destroy the communist functionaries, the commissioners of Jewish officials, propagandists, and Polish intelihentsiyu7" see the talk page for details that include translations and a link to the article that was misused: . Basically, JD tried to use the source to support claims that were the very opposite of what the source was actually describing.
    4. Here he removed the information in an article about the 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) about units of that division massacring hundreds of people. According to the source, at the time of those crimes the units were removed from the Division and placed under police command. This information is removed by JD. See the talk page here for translations, links, etc. In this case he seems to be pushing the idea that the division as a whole was responsible for war crimes and altering inconvenient information.
    5. Thi example is a bit different fromthe pattern outliend above. Here we see him removing info which he doesn't like. This was removed: "John Paul Himka, a specialist in Ukrainian history during World War II, notes that although units such as the 201 Battalion were routinely used to fight partisans and kill Jews, no one has studied the specific activities of the 201st battalion from this perspective and this ought to be a subject for further study." It was referenced to : True and False Episodes from the Nachtigall Episode Op-Ed by John Paul Himka. Ironically he accused another editor of blanking in that case: .

    The above exmples are merely a sample of the pattern he engages in on article edits and talk pages. Essentially JD's M.O. is to find obscure foreign language sources and then falsely describe what they say in order to push his POV. It's quite time-consuming to check his "facts" which is very disruptive to the project but also shields him from sanctions because not many people want to wade through everything.


    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    At least, a topic ban from areas involving 20th century conflicts and Ukraine to be added to his ban from articles involving the Holodomor. A full ban from wikipedia might not be necesaary, he seems to have been relatively harmless here: (although who knows, I haven't tried to verify what he put in).
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    Basically, he seems to be pushing a pro-Soviet POV with respect to Ukraine, by his history not only on topics related to World War II but earlier related to Holodomor (he has a lifetime ban on that topic for just the sort of behavior he is enagaging in now). And he used dishonest means when pushing his POV, creating a battleground rather than a collaborative environment. Here he is trying to lure a previously topic-banned editor into his fight: . This is a pattern he has engaged in persistently since coming to wikipedia and has been blocked for in the past. He is also prmananetly banned from Russian-language wikipedia for that sort of behvior: . It doesn't seem that previous blocks here have worked, except to make him a little more subtle or careful to use sources not as easily accessible.

    I note that in his response JD argues against his previous blocks. His refusal to acknowledge doing anything wrong in the past probably explains his ongoing problematic behavior now.

    All of his attempted defences of the various points I made can be easily addressed, although doing so may make this request unwieldy. This is, incidentally, what happens on the article talk pages - a lengthy spiral of false, poorly written claims by JD whose debunking merely leads to more games and so on. Should I address his points or just leave them alone?

    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    Here is the diff: .Faustian (talk) 15:06, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

    Discussion concerning Jo0doe

    Statement by Jo0doe

    So It’s really sad to spend time on addressing the Proof by verbosity accusations. First of all – I admit in full the difficulties with plain English – but actually it’s not a big deal for prolific editors which are interested in precise quality of facts at the WP articles – see . Even a case party ] . While – actually I’ve applied for help in that area – but, unfortunately there no response. A Second – about my 1 years long block – As you can see from this diff – I’ve accused by proof by verbosity in using the source, which I , actually, never used for reference at any WP article it’s also related to site www.ukrstor.com labeled as “Russian Nationalist Web-sites” (actually simply online book repository about history of the Ukrainian Politic Movements). I prefer to use real library - http://www.nbuv.gov.ua. Moreover I’ve a target of the WP:EEML – and as far as I’ve heard – I’ve at their “black list” – while actually it’s a not a big deal right now. Now I address the Proof by verbosity accusations

    • Re 1. Based on the mistranslation and misrepresentation of the source text – specifically text “numerous” given as “not rare” and “ I‘ve cite several more sources which directly support source information about UPM activity against public servant – which by the war definition is not “military personnel” – but a civilians. Story about UPM activities against military personnel given in separate section (supported by primary source image). I can also add several more secondary scholar sources which suggest such activities of the UPM – like THE DESTRUCTION OF THE JEWS OF LWÓW, 1941-1944 at Roads to Extinction: Essays on the Holocaust. Contributors: Philip Friedman - author, Ada June Friedman - editor. Publisher: Jewish Publication Society of America. Place of Publication: New York. Publication Year: 1980. or at chapter “Terror tactics at the OUN and UPA activities” appeared at book named “Political Terror and Terrorism in Ukraine XIX - XX centuries”: Historical Essays published Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine in 2002 ISBN 777-02-3348-9 – as also by primary sources – actual UPM reports – like
    • re 2 Examples of mistranslations already noted above. In result cited source accused in claim which actually not suggested by it – e.i. limitation of activity only to “obligatory registration of the Jewish population, making sure that Jews wore identification with the star of David and that they worked without getting paid at community jobs”. As it can be seen from the initial version of the article – sentence has a 5 sources cited – not only one as suggested at point 2. Also It can be added a dozens more – like for instance p.37 - and even added by case party . Also such activities proved by numerous primary sources - like this late examples copied by me for WP (texts from them widely used before at the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine
    • re 3. Another source mistranslation /misrepresentation – author write not about miracle “Ukrainian nationalist extremists” but about specific Stepan Bandera’s OUN instruction which ordered extermination of the Poles, Jews and Russians and their intelligentsia – pages 321-324. At page 363 Author again conclude (p.1.) that personnel of the Nachtigall_Battalion have all reason to murder Polish professors and Jewish Population of the Ukraine. (p.2) However due the unclear and self contradictory reports of the witnesses it’s can be conclude that the in shooting of the Polish professors and Jewish Population of the Ukraine take parts Ukrainians and Ukrianian- spoken Volksduetschers which serve at the Germans punishment authorities and, plausible, UPM members. (P. 3) … some individual members of the Nachtigall_Battalion can participate in murders – as an their own will or by the orders of the Germans or Bnadera’s OUN leadership “ . – So it’s clear there no evidence about “very opposite of what the source was actually describing’ - and almost precisely inline with text given
    • re 4 – I’ve already address same and other allegations before – But for convenience of the readers I’ll repeat it again – source text . does not contains words “alleged eyewitnesses” and “regiments had been separated from the Division” – instead 3rd at page 284 paragraph clearly identify witnesses as real and page 283 clearly indicate about units of the SS Galicia (Kampfgruppe Beyersdorff and 4 and 5 regiments of the Division – clarification by Andriy Bolyanovs`kyi , The Division "Galicia". It's History Lviv 2000. ISBN 966-02-1635-1) – and not call them as “separated” – as far as whole division itself was at the disposal of the Friedrich Wilhelm Krüger - Höhere SS und Polizei Führer in the General Government = German Police in ordinary understanding words – So texts which does not appeared at the sources cited above was clarified.
    • re.5 – underline the Proof by verbosity accusations – it’s clear that the text which was allegedly claimed “as removed” – namely “John Paul Himka, a specialist in Ukrainian history during World War II, notes that although units such as the 201 Battalion were routinely used to fight partisans and kill Jews, no one has studied the specific activities of the 201st battalion from this perspective and this ought to be a subject for further study." – moved to be a first sentence of the “Belarus” section -

    As a summary – as I can prove above – all allegations “reliable” as “fact about like "I’ve removed Himka’s text” – as you can see from my edits before – I’v use real library (- http://www.nbuv.gov.ua) and real(paper) publications of the Institute of History of Ukraine National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine and other prominent Western scholar - which I can support by primary sources - historical documents - which I’ve uploaded to WP for educational proposes. Also I’ve obtain a permission to use scholar text for WP educational proposes – I’ll sent proof of it to any requested admins. It’s really sad to note – that the specific editor prefer to produce a huge Proof by verbosity accusations and remove historical documents instead of explain how it possible for organization appeared it 1929 use a logo which adopted in 1941 – or suggest a requested page(s) . So – It’s would be nice to see a an administrators decision about what actually “net positive for Misplaced Pages” – scholar texts and images of the historical documents – or hoaxes and misusing/mistranslation of the scholar texts (examples given above) - to clarify what actually “disruption” mean in the context of the WP editing. Thank youJo0doe (talk) 09:23, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Jo0doe

    I just want to throw my hat in the ring in support of the measures Faustian is proposing. I've also had to deal with Jo0doe and his falsifying of information. Ultimately, you can go through his history and find that in every article he edits, he follows the same pattern of inserting false information with obscure, non-English sources that can't be tracked down (or if they can be, we usually verify hat he falsely used the information to push his POV) / he then tries to put us on a wild goose chase to prove him wrong. He just loves wasting other people's time. Here's an example 1, it just turns into a headache trying to read what he's saying. He tries to throw around PROVEIT and RS and will delete content unless you appease him, but his questions are so generic and reek of copy/paste that it seems he just wants to stir up as much trouble as possible and isn't genuinely interested in editing to make articles better - just push his POV and piss off anyone else involved.--Львівське (talk) 16:40, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
    I second the opinion that Jo0doe habitually falsifies his references, but I disagree that he simply "loves to waste our time". I have seen some expressions of his sentiments on ru-Wiki and outside Misplaced Pages, and these examples show extreme anti-Ukrainian bias.--Galassi (talk) 17:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Statement by MyMoloboaccount

    • I believe that Jo0doe is well meaning and provides much needed info on Nazi collaboration in Ukraine. His problem is relative poor use of English. Some of the claims against him don't seem to hold up under closer scrutiny. I am against the block. Also I have to mention that people accusing Jo0doe of presenting false information on sources themselves have inserted info that was not found in source claimed to support such claims.

    --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 19:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning Jo0doe

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    I am inclined to impose a 1 year block, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions permit. This editor has already been blocked for most of the past two years, with little improvement to show for it. Given the weak English skills and difficulty getting facts straight, this editor cannot be seen as a net positive for Misplaced Pages. Looie496 (talk) 18:24, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

    I cannot read the source claimed to have been misrepresented, and therefore I cannot evaluate the factual basis for this request (the claimed misrepresentations are sufficiently subtle that I do not consider it appropriate to make a determination based on Google translate). However, assuming arguendo that the claims of misrepresenting sources are true, I am of the view that the user should be blocked indefinitely under administrators' general power to prevent disruption. Few things are more disruptive to encyclopedia building than abusing the good faith of other editors by misrepresenting sources, and the history of lengthy blocks here strongly suggests that anything short of an indef will not address the problem. The first year of the block can be taken as imposed under the authority of the discretionary sanctions, and subject to the usual restrictions on overturning. T. Canens (talk) 20:45, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
    In my view we should be strict in following procedures here. Actions that go beyond ArbCom sanctions should be decided elsewhere, such as ANI. Looie496 (talk) 21:57, 20 October 2010 (UTC)
    Since when do we require an ANI discussion before indeffing disruptive users? It is one thing to say that we should not take up matters that are not related to an arbitration decision to start with (which I think no one disputes). But given that the subject matter here is related to an arbitration decision, I think it's best, by analogy to supplemental jurisdiction, to deal with the whole matter in the same place for the sake of efficiency and consistency. T. Canens (talk) 00:15, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    I support the indefinite block proposed by T. Canens (one year under Arbcom discretionary sanctions, the rest of the block as a community sanction). Jo0doe seems to have some knowledge, but he is not diplomatic enough or articulate enough to make edits that others can understand or accept. Since the expiry of his last block on August 28 he's been going downhill, and making edits that others describe as falsifying the sources. He gives long and confusing defences of his edits. At this rate, the negative far exceeds the positive. His participation in what is already a difficult topic area just makes life harder for everyone else. SInce he has had a number of chances already, giving him yet another chance doesn't seem reasonable. EdJohnston (talk) 16:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    I have blocked Jo0doe for 1 year, which is the maximum that the discretionary sanctions allow. Administrators who feel that a longer block is necessary may alter the block parameters outside of this process, but should not describe the result as arbitration enforcement. Looie496 (talk) 20:38, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Vodomar

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Vodomar

    User requesting enforcement
    — kwami (talk) 02:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Vodomar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:ARBMAC (1RR in place)
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Revert to a version that has been reverted multiple times and is against the consensus of all non-Croat and several Croat editors
    2. Weasel wording to the same effect, and not supported by the ref that it's now tagged with.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. User_talk:Vodomar#Notice_of_WP:ARBMAC Warning by Kubura (talk · contribs) (correction by Kubura: user:Taivo posted that warning, impersonating user Kubura )
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Revert of his latest edit, and warning/discipline as ARB feels appropriate
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    (notification of this request and suggestion that he revert himself, which he has not done)

    Discussion concerning Vodomar

    Statement by Vodomar

    Comments by others about the request concerning Vodomar

    I concur with Kwami's assessment of the situation. Vodomar's second edit today was a WP:WEASELly way to insert the same unscientific POV into the text and does not match the clear statement of the sources that are provided as footnotes. Before I saw Kwami's report here, I warned Vodomar myself here that I considered him to be in violation of 1RR for that edit. Vodomar has stopped being a constructive participant in the discussion, has hitched his wagon to a single source that is not scientifically specialized, and has provided no references to the article. He is simply pushing his POV along with a tag team of others who provide no references and accept no references that don't agree with their POV. --Taivo (talk) 03:06, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    Perhaps off-topic, but since the article's been protected, I thought I should mention it. A map which appears in the article was moved after the article was protected, and I updated the link in the article. This has nothing to do with the current dispute, but was done to stop a new edit war that had erupted over the map; the article now appears as it did when it was protected.

    If you prefer, I can simply redirect from the original file name, and revert my minor edit to the Croatian language article, but that would require one of you to either protect the file or warn the other editor if you want the article to be stable. — kwami (talk) 18:51, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    1) Kwamikagami, heavily WP:INVOLVED on that topic, requires certain enforcement actions: sanctioning the opponent on the article. Is this a conflict of interest?
    2) EdJohnston, you need to correct your message: in this moment, Misplaced Pages in Croatian language has 88,599 articles, Misplaced Pages in Serbian language has 134,823 articles, Misplaced Pages in "Serbo-Croatian" has 34,338 articles (many of them were copy-pasted from hr.wiki or from sr.wiki). Hr.wiki is vivid, it doesn't keep itself alive by copy-pasteing from other wikis. Kubura (talk) 23:25, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning Vodomar

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    I have full protected the article for 3 days. All the editors who edited in the past few days appear to have violated the 1RR restriction on the article and edit warred. They are on first inspection now all subject to the Arbmac discretionary sanctions:
    The sanctions imposed may include blocks of up to one year in length; bans from editing any page or set of pages within the area of conflict; restrictions on reverts; or any other measures which the imposing administrator believes are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project.
    I'm reviewing to ensure that they all had personal notifications under ARBMAC. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 06:50, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    Notifications review of recent editors (NOT an about-to-sanction list, nor a verified-broke-1RR list, merely for inventory purposes of everyone with multiple edits on article in last 4 days)
    Previously notified - Vodomar, JorisV, Hammer of Habsburg
    Not previously formally notified - Roberta F., Taivo, Kwamikagami, PRODUCER, Ali Pasha
    Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 07:02, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    User:Vodomar is the subject of this complaint, as the person who may have broken the 1RR restriction. He is also an admin on the Croatian Misplaced Pages. He writes English very well, and has been participating in a sensible discussion at Talk:Serbo-Croatian. I suggest that this enforcement request should be closed with an indefinite full protection of Serbo-Croatian, but with the hope that the editors will be able to work out a suitable compromise on the talk page. The linguistic facts don't seem to be in dispute (who can understand whom). It is a question of how the facts ought to be correctly summarized. The editors on the talk page will hopefully be able to solve this. For those who are new to this dispute, it may be interesting to know that we have a Croatian Misplaced Pages (34,309 articles), a Serbian Misplaced Pages (134,781 articles), and a Serbo-Croatian Misplaced Pages (88,575). It would be unfortunate to treat this as a war between the editors of two Wikipedias, so an attempt at negotiation is desirable. The other option is to go the way Arbcom itself went with ARBMAC2, but I don't think we've pursued the easier options yet. EdJohnston (talk) 16:40, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Topic banned editors needling one another

    Closed; discussion continues at WP:AN#Topic banned editors needling one another
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    This is not the only example, but it's typical of the way in which, for the past week or so since the end of the climate change arbitration case, topic-banned editors are still needling one another. I include Lar because although he is not topic banned but requested to stop using his admin bit in the area, there is an arbitration finding in the case (Finding 12.3) that Lar "has made inappropriate comments and actions and at times shows a battleground mentality, especially for an admin." In fact he has not edited in the topic but acted in the enforcement of the recently superseded probation. ATren and William M. Connolley have a long history of animosity toward one another, as do Lar and William M. Connolley.

    The cited link above shows William M. Connolley extending a needling match from the Running commentary thread on the arbcom noticeboard to Lar's user talk page. Lar picks it up gladly, and ATren jumps in with his two penn'orth.

    I wonder if it would be appropriate now to ask Lar and the topic banned editors ATren and William M. Connolley to observe a mutual interaction ban. They've had a week to get over it but seem not to have done so. --TS 14:38, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    WMC has animosity toward many folk. However, it assumes facts not in evidence to assert that others, even those he calls stupid and malicious, have animosity to him. I certainly have none. I merely don't appreciate his tactics, which he got multiple sanctions for. He continues baiting many folk, making snide comments, and so forth... as in the instance that TS refers to, WMC baits me about a reference that wasn't actually to him. When I clarify on the ArbCom page, TS seems to think that's a sign of.. what? Further WMC turns up to needle me further on my talk page, I again respond mildly. ATren appeared to comment on the WSJ ref... I don't see the needling here by ATren or me that TS does. What's needed here is a further interaction ban on WMC, but not necessarily on others. Restrict his needling and baiting. That cures the problem. ++Lar: t/c 15:24, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    This ad hominem comment, directed at me at WT:ADMIN, a discussion to which I was specifically invited by Roger Davies, is similarly gratuitous and unhelpful. ScottyBerg (talk) 15:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    Eh? That you've got a hobby horse? Did you want the diffs demonstrating it? You take swipes at me every chance you get. In fact, here you are now. QED. You strain at gnats and pass camels. As has been pointed out to you before. You're part of the problem with your enabling behavior. ++Lar: t/c 15:56, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    The entire message thread can be reviewed here. I think that this particular jibe is consequential because it is not part of a "needling match." I was commenting on administrative policy. Lar's name wasn't mentioned, and he wasn't even participating in that message thread until I commented (as suggested on my talk page by Roger Davies). Then Lar dived right in with his attacking "hobby horse" comment, which served no purpose at all but is consistent with the battleground behavior noted in the arbcom decision. I advocated that Lar be separated from CC enforcement during the PD discussion, which indeed happened, and that resulted in the antagonism that you see displayed in his comment above, and also motivating his "hobby horse" comment. ScottyBerg (talk) 16:04, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    Re the topic starter: I disagree with TS that WMC and Lar were engaged in a "needling match." WMC politely asked that Lar refactor a personal attack. He responded by needling him about the Wall Street Journal editorial.ScottyBerg (talk) 16:22, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    I have difficulty seeing how a WP:MYOB restriction on interaction between WMC and Lar would harm the project. Their unchecked mutual animosity helps no one. TenOfAllTrades(talk) 16:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    While the editors involved appear to have problems with civil communication with each other, I'm not sure that an AE enforcement is the right thing. Maybe if TS specifically layed out a case for enforcement (as the instructions request) it might be clearer. --Rocksanddirt (talk) 16:33, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    I suggest that the editors keep these sorts of discussions confined to the the appropriate forum. Count Iblis (talk) 17:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    The cited link above shows William M. Connolley extending a needling match - wrong. Lar called me a prat; I aske him to retract the PA. I considered contacting an admin, but reflected that the advice in general has been that one should in general contact the offending party to request redress first. Is taht advice now retracted? William M. Connolley (talk) 18:27, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    • Lar: Are you persisting with interactions with editors of the climate change subject area, or have you withdrawn completely from activity in that area? If you have not, why not? AGK 19:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    I would like to add this to this discussion. I commented at Tony Sidaway's talk page not expecting my comment to be anything more than my opinion of what was being discussed. Lar came to the discussion accusing me of being bias about WMC and him, an accusation I feel is hurtful to make. His whole comment to me is rude. Lar is an administrator that I used to go to for lots of different things. I don't know why he wrote to me like he did but I don't think he, as an administrator, should be talking to people like this. I think that this should be stopped. I don't want any problems with Lar, but lately he's been commenting after I make comments trying to put me in a bad light and it's not right. I'm sorry but this behavior of his towards me is starting to make me nervous. Thanks for listening, --CrohnieGal 19:34, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    Edit war on 1RR article Climatic Research Unit email controversy

    Not an enforcement request
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    In the wake of my comment on a talk page deprecating a journalist's comment, an edit war has developed on this article between Viriditas, Dave souza and two IPs. It has been under 1RR since the days of the probation. The Committee indicated that all remedies under the probation should be kept in place, so it still applies and there is a notice about it on the talk page. --TS 14:44, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    It appears that 98.234.114.225 (talk · contribs) and Dave souza (talk · contribs) breached 1RR; the IP has made at least 3 reverts and appears to be the instigator. Dave souza blocked 12h, IP blocked 48h. T. Canens (talk) 14:59, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    Misread one of the diffs. Looks like Dave did not violate 1RR after all. (While technically a revert, I don't think it's appropriate to consider the first text removal one, since the text has been there for a while.) T. Canens (talk) 15:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    I'm still learning this stuff. I'll provide a much clearer analysis if I have to do this kind of thing again. Fortunately no lasting harm was done thanks to the blocking admin's prompt action in unblocking. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:14, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    Africangenesis

    Editor notified of CC remedies and promises to edit in accordance with them
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning Africangenesis

    User requesting enforcement
    TS 22:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Africangenesis (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change#Climate change: discretionary sanctions Admins please read special provisions for this case
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 12:24 October 19 The clique that had controlled this article drove me and many other good editors away. I read at wattsupwiththat that this problem might have been rectified. I hope you aren't continuing the problem." Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement.
    2. 12:43 October 19 "Recall that I was the one that forced the cadre to admit..." Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement.
    3. 23:53 October 19 "So this is the tactic." Battleground behavior: failure to assume good faith
    4. 0:05 October 20 "So convincing you is the standard. WP:OWN". Failure to assume good faith, personal attack.
    5. 10:14 October 20 'In the past, wasn't ownership of this more prominent article partially maintained by insisting that details relevant to disputes and credibility of the scientific claims on this page, be pushed off to other specialized, less prominent pages, i.e., isn't disputing edits on this page on such a basis, "battleground behavior"?' Battleground behavior: raking up ancient alleged misdeeds during discussion of article improvement. Failure to assume good faith.
    6. 11:04 October 20 "Also, in the time of the great ownership problem, one of the few consolations was that visitors could get a much better sense of the state of the science on the talk page than in the article proper. Because the discussions and ownership behavior on the talk page were often embarrassing to the owners, another frequent battleground behavior by the owners was more rapid archiving of the talk page. Since your sympathies were with the owners positions, if not their behavior, you may not have been sensitive to some of these tactics. You see, despite that fact that the talk pages were a battleground, that doesn't mean that they were devoid of information or that the battles themselves didn't inform visitors of how credible the page itself was. However, I doubt you were aware that increasing the speed of archiving was battleground behavior. It is less excusable now with wider availability of broadband than it was then. Hopefully, we can get more of the actual science in the article and rapid archiving will some day, not be considered battleground behavior." Battleground behavior: raking up old alleged misdeeds, failure to assume good faith, personal attacks during discussion of article improvement.
    7. 20:21 October 21 "You accuse me of putting in an unsourced original research statement, when you didn't bother to read the sources, you don't assume good faith, you leave the article in an erroneous state and now you are stalking my every post as part of your edit war. Who is being uncivil?" Battleground behavior: failure to assume good faith, personal attack, while discussion of article improvement.
    1. 20:55 October 21 on being asked on his talk page to assume good faith: "I agree. I haven't received any indication that would work better, however. They don't admit they are wrong when you are polite or if you rub their faces in it. But, in the latter case, maybe they will read the article the next time." Battleground behavior. Displaying an antagonistic attitude.
    1. 21:54 October 21, edit summary: "reverting revert by Schulz who is not participating on the talk page, he didn't defend his ocean acidifcation revert and apparently not this one either" Battleground behavior: personal attack in edit summary. Stephan Schulz, who is the subject of the attack, pointed out caveats in the paper on October 19. Africangenesis apparently remembers Stephan from when he last edited Misplaced Pages before, in 2007 "I notice Schulz is still around".
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    1. 13:08, October 19 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs) (TS)
    2. 0:04 October 20 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)
    3. 11:22 October 20 Warning by Tony Sidaway (talk · contribs)
    4. 20:28 October 21 Warning by Mann jess (talk · contribs)
    1. ...
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Formal "Warning of intended sanctions" (see remedy cited above), stating the battleground behavior is unacceptable and will lead to a topic ban from climate change articles if he continues in this way.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    At 11:47 October 20 I decided to step back from editing the article and leave the talk page alone. I wanted to see if this editor would interact well with others if I got out of his way. I also set the archive period back to 21 days following his expression of concern about archiving.
    The antagonistic attitudes and personal attacks on talk pages have been characteristic of this topic area for some time and were the primary focus of the arbitration case which ended a week ago. This editor had left Misplaced Pages three years ago and has decided to return on hearing about the arbitration case. He has a good knowledge of the field and could be an asset.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    The requesting user is asked to notify the user against whom this request is directed of it, and then to replace this text with a diff of that notification. The request will normally not be processed otherwise.

    Discussion concerning Africangenesis

    Statement by Africangenesis

    Why am I being warned about disruptive edits, when none of these are edits? And why are only comments considered uncivil and not reverts that don't assume good faith, and when they don't hold up on the talk page aren't restored leaving the article in an obviously erroneous state. Or as in Schulz case just drive-by reverting without participating on the talk page. Careless reverts by people who don't read the edits or the sources in good faith. And then there are similarly careless characterizations without careful consideration. For example, TS essentially called me a liar above, when he state that Schulz participated on the talk page relevant to his reverts. Schulz did not respond on the chemistry. And the article where Schulz "pointed out caveats in the paper on October 19.", is not the article involved in either revert. The first revert was about ocean acidification where he only left the dismissive and erroneous chemist edit summary, and the second was about the erroneous article statement that solar forcing had a cooling effect, the article was the IPCC FAR report, not one that Schulz had any caveats on. (But I do.). This is the same Schulz as before, but evidently thinks if he drives-by only once a day, he can stay under the radar. And once again TS showed the lack of careful consideration and assmption of good faith typical of those that escaped the purge. I may have been uncivil, but I was careful to be correct and was pointedly correct when I did so. But I've had my say, and it is not in my nature to be uncivil, it took conscious and conscientious effort to convict these editors of their behavior, and I am naturally too lazy to continue the effort. But you need to know, that those remaining are just as guilty as those banned, they are just little more than an ill-informed mob without their leader. That is how it worked, they were so numerous they could run under your radar. The global warming article owes much to my participation in the past, in the face of fierce opposition and hypocritical double standards for evidence. If you look back you will see I was a model of polite persistence. I came back to see if things had changed, and they have some, what is left is an ill-informed mob that tends to embarrass themselves if they try to address the science. The can't sustain scientific arguments, so they are left with only a double standard application of wikipedia arguments.

    But, as I say, I'm through with the incivility and any response in kind to their battleground tactics. I accept that sanctions are in force and will honor them. I actually hold myself to a higher standard. For instance, you won't see me reverting text just because it is unsourced, unless I have actual reason to believe that it is also incorrect, and I will stick around and discuss any issues or sources that are brought forward, giving the editor a fair hearing.--Africangenesis (talk) 00:03, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    I'd like to add that I am sympathetic to the Arbcom and Misplaced Pages's problems in attempting to achieve the same excellence on controversial topics that is so common on other articles. I like the wiki philosophy, and have devoted considerable thought to how it might be made to work on controversial articles with only minor tweaking of the rules. The problem isn't so much the battling, that can easily result in compromises where each gets their say and response. The problem is WP:OWN, in this case, by a near religious ideology with enough numbers. It has driven away a lot of good editors, many who like myself probably kept on contributing as IPs. You might be interested in a discussion I had with Tony at his blog during my disillusionment.. This is just wikipedia, as a lover of science, what was sad and unforgivable was the climategate revelation that that scientists were playing the equivalent of WP:OWN for real, with the science itself. I look forward to seeing further advancement in the field of climate science and am excited about the opportunity represented by this period of unusually low solar activity to advance the science.--Africangenesis (talk) 00:49, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Comments by others about the request concerning Africangenesis

    He's still at it . --TS 23:20, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    More incivility and problematic behavior:

    More warnings on behavior:

    Jesstalk|edits 23:40, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    Africangenesis is formally notified, and he has promised to abide by the sanctions, so that's it. --TS 00:30, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    These were before the most recent sanctions warning, but after the multiple he received earlier. In any case, so long as he's able to work constructively (as he's claimed above) then I'll leave it be. Thanks. Jesstalk|edits 01:41, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    If this quote (from African Genesis's own statement, above) isn't an example of battlefield behaviour, I don't know what is: "those remaining are just as guilty as those banned, they are just little more than an ill-informed mob without their leader". --Merlinme (talk) 16:09, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    I think if he can curb such expressions during article improvement discussions that will be a great improvement. We cannot do much about what a Wikipedian actually thinks, deep down, about his fellow editors. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:15, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Fair enough. But I hope not to read such comments again on Talk pages, from Africangenesis or anyone else. I think we can all agree that they're not exactly conducive to lowering the temperature and encouraging calm consideration of how to improve Misplaced Pages's global warming articles. --Merlinme (talk) 16:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning Africangenesis

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
    User notified of the discretionary sanctions. Georgewilliamherbert (talk) 23:18, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

    WeijiBaikeBianji

    Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

    Request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

    User requesting enforcement
    Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    WeijiBaikeBianji (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Advocacy, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Correct_use_of_sources, Misplaced Pages:ARBR&I#Editors_reminded_and_discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. WeijiBaikeBianji renames four articles in this topic area, replacing the direct connection to intelligence in the titles with an indirect one to IQ, without discussing this first. Less than an hour later, he suggests here that the Race and intelligence article be renamed to something similar "for parallelism with other subarticles of intelligence quotient" when the only reason this proposed name is parallel to the other articles is because he’d just unilaterally renamed them all. When I mention Fertility and intelligence (in this comment ) as one article that isn’t parallel to his proposed rename, he immediately renames that one also.
    2. WeijiBaikeBianji renames Race and genetics to "Genetics and the decline of race", again without any discussion. When this was subsequently discussed on the article talk page here, five editors (me, Muntuwandi, Victor Chmara, Moxy, and Dbachmann) agreed that the new title was inappropriate and/or non-neutral. Dbachmann, an administrator, referred to this move as "a rather crude example of pov-pushing by article title."
    3. Three examples of WeijiBaikeBianji selectively removing external links from BLP articles (the third diff is him reinstating his edit when it was reverted, without first attempting to resolve this on the discussion page). Some of the links that he removed may have not belonged there, but the problem with these edits is that they removed all of the links to articles and pages describing these researchers positively, keeping only those which were critical of them. This involved keeping the links to negative articles about these living people that were just as irrelevant as the positive ones he’d removed. In both cases, a neutral editor (Maunus) subsequently removed the critical links that WeijiBaikeBianji had kept or added, agreeing with me that they weren’t relevant either:
    4. Two examples of WeijiBaikeBianji removing links to other Misplaced Pages articles because they weren’t consistent with changes he was intending to make to those articles in the future. This isn’t advocacy, but it’s article ownership:  other people’s edits to these articles should not be rejected only because they aren’t consistent with WeijiBaikeBianji’s plans.
    5. The first edit is an example of WeijiBaikeBianji removing content from an article based on what he apparently considers a misrepresentation of the one of its three sources, along with not being able to verify the other two sources. The wording that he replaced it with is non-neutral and puts the word "race" in scare quotes, even though this is not done in either the article title or any of the sources being cited. The second example is of him restoring content that someone else removed, which contained original research that was not supported by any of the sources being cited, and which also cited Misplaced Pages itself as a source. The issues with the material WeijiBaikeBianji reinstated were discussed here. I’m including these edits alongside one another because I think it’s important to compare WeijiBaikeBianji’s standards for material that supports his point of view with his standards for material that doesn't. If article content disagrees with his point of view, he’ll remove it based on very subtle sourcing issues or his inability to verify its sources, but if material supports his point of view, he’ll reinstate it when it’s removed by others even if it involves circular citations and obvious original research.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
    None yet as far as I know, although multiple editors (including admins in some cases) have expressed concern about the neutrality of his edits on article talk pages. See the discussion about his rename of the Race and genetics article for an example. He's also previously reminded other editors that the articles are subject to discretionary sanctions (for example: ) so he’s obviously already aware of this.
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    I’m posting about this here because I think these things need attention via the discretionary sanctions, so it probably should be up to admins to decide what course of action is appropriate. Since WeijiBaikeBianji has not yet been formally warned about his behavior, I’m not convinced that a block or topic ban is necessary yet, and I’d consider it an acceptable result if admins were to decide that a warning and/or probation is enough. WeijiBaikeBianji probably has the potential to contribute to these articles productively if he could learn to be less aggressive about advocating his point of view, and not keep engaging in article ownership behavior. But since he doesn’t seem to be learning this on his own, I think admins need to do something to help him learn it.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    I should point out that I’m currently topic banned from these articles, although not because of any misconduct on my part - it’s because of the close connection between my account and that of an editor who was topic banned as a result of the arbitration case. However, both the admin who topic banned me and one of the arbitrators have told me that even while I was topic banned, it would be acceptable for me to post about it here if I felt that there was editor behavior on these articles that needed attention via the discretionary sanctions. There are several other examples of behavior from WeijiBaikeBianji that I think demonstrate advocacy and article ownership, but I’ve only provided a sampling of the behavior from him that I think makes this clearest. Since what matters here is the general behavior rather than the specific examples, it’s important that this thread not get sidetracked by discussing individual content issues. When advocacy is the one of behavioral problems being discussed, it becomes necessary to provide examples of the editor in question inserting or reinstating non-neutral content, but the discussion still needs to be about the editor behavior rather than the content itself.
    Update 10/23:
    Ok, now that the admin who topic banned me has stated that his topic ban does not extend to preventing me from posting here, I hope we can discuss the merits of this thread itself. I was initially reluctant to contact the other people who’ve been involved in this dispute because I was afraid someone would claim doing this was canvassing, but now that WeijiBaikeBianji is complaining about the fact that I haven’t done so, I’ve gone ahead with it.
    Additionally, I should point out that while it was somewhat understandable for the admins who initially commented here to be unfamiliar with this situation and to not realize that my topic ban allowed for this thread, Weiji is familiar with me and with the situation. Since his comment points out that some of the discussion has been taking place in the user talk of these admins, which is where I was attempting to explain this to them, he’s obviously seen my explanation of being given permission to post this thread and there’s no way he could be unaware of this. It seems very disingenuous to me that he would be expressing blanket agreement with the uninformed opinion that this thread should be disregarded because I'm topic banned, despite knowing full well that my topic ban was not intended to prevent this.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

    Statement by WeijiBaikeBianji

    I thank Ferahgo the Assassin for her timely notification of this request for enforcement on my user talk page. I agree with uninvolved editors Looie496, Angus McLellan, and T. Canens in their analysis of and recommended disposition for this request. I note for the record that the request for enforcement was not accompanied by notice to any of the other involved editors, whether or not they were named or referred to without naming in the request. (I also note that some of the discussion of this request is occurring away from here, on the talk pages of some of the uninvolved editors who have responded.) I think all those uninvolved editors are Misplaced Pages community administrators and that they have said all that needs to be said about this request. On my part, I will go back to article content editing because I am here to build an encyclopedia and have plenty of volunteer work to do without being bogged down in pettifogging.

    Comments by others about the request concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

    • I was told specifically by an arbitrator that doing this is not a problem if I believed someone's editing behavior needs attention via the discretionary sanctions. I was told this is only a problem if I file an excessive number of these, and this is my first (possibly only) one. Additionally, my topic ban specifically allows this, since I was told by the admin who topic banned me that this would be acceptable. When I appealed my topic ban to him in his user talk, saying that whatever decision he makes should address the problems with the editing environment that are unrelated to me, he told me "You are still free to request sanction of those other editors at arbitration enforcement; at least then one decision or another will be made." -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 22:24, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    I would also like people who think I’m doing something wrong by posting about this here to read this exchange. Not only was I given permission to post here by the admin who topic banned me, but I was given permission specifically in response to requesting admin attention for the same behavior I’m reporting here, including most of the same examples/diffs.
    If I actually am doing something wrong by making this report, then there’s a serious problem here with contradictory messages from admins. Since I was given permission to post here about this exact thing, I don't see how anyone could have expected me to predict that posting about it would be regarded as abusing that permission. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 00:19, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • I've only done minimal editing in this area, but I could not help notice that unilateral moves to a POV title like that performed by WeijiBaikeBianji "Genetics and the decline of race" (a month ago, and soon reverted) cannot be constructive. Mind you, I also disagree with the naming (and scope) of Lewontin's Fallacy; POV titles aren't helpful either way. Tijfo098 (talk) 23:39, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • WeijiBaikeBianji also supported the use of an extreme source, Steven Rose, in the lead of Heritability of IQ, . Rose commits errors of omission, for instance failing to say that heritability may or may not depend on the environment; for some genes it does but for some it doesn't. His paper has only 3 citations, so it's hardly the mainstream view, but nevertheless WeijiBaikeBianji supports citing in verbatim in the lead of an article. (Based on his biased premises, which are cited in the Misplaced Pages article, Rose concludes in his paper that heritability is a useless measure for any purpose. The only English source that found worthwhile to cite Rose's paper so far, only used it to support this sentence: "Heritability calculations are often indirect and involve simplified models of genetic versus non-genetic contributors ". By the way, a 2009 Nature paper that is obviously at odds with Rose's conclusions somehow garnered 272 citations already. I wonder why...) Tijfo098 (talk) 00:21, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
    I'm new to wiki as a whole, but I read the article concerning race and intelligence and found that one edited passages concerning Richard Lynn. The edit debated Lynn's work with sources that never directly mentioned Lynn. and the discussion on the talk:
    I reverted the passage back to the way it was beforehand, but WeijiBaikeBianji reverted back to the synthesized, not properly sourced edit. He stated that it was okay, but he didn't even address that it wasn't synthesis of sources that never mentioned Lynn.
    By reading more into it, the only reason I could see for this is if WeijiBaikeBianji felt this synthesized paragraph supported his own beliefs. I can't be sure of anything, it just doesn't add up for me to see why someone wouldn't acknowledge the clearly sloppy style of the passage I mentioned.-SightWatcher (talk) 02:25, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning WeijiBaikeBianji

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    I propose that this request be dismissed and the requesting party be prohibited from filing enforcement requests in this area. An editor who is topic-banned should not be filing enforcement requests unless there are clear and obvious violations, which is not the case here. Looie496 (talk) 19:39, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    • When you are topic banned, you are banned from the topic, that is, you are banned from making any edit that has anything to do with the topic. This request has a lot to do with the topic. Therefore, it is within the scope of your topic ban. And, no, this is not "necessary and legitimate dispute resolution", because this request has nothing to do with your topic ban. Really, when you are banned, you should disengage and find something else to work with. T. Canens (talk) 03:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    • I would disagree with the rest of you, at least in the theoretical sense. Nothing in my topic ban was meant to stop Ferahgo from filing a topic ban request. Now, I don't think that it would be wise for her to do this, and in fact think that she should abandon the topic area altogether. But I think this request should be evaluated on its own merits and the idea of preventing her from filing AE reports should only be discussed if this becomes a persistent problem. NW (Talk) 19:58, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Socking at Global climate model

    socks blocked, page protected
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    There's a very obvious "duck test" sock trying to shoe-horn his opinion into this article by edit warring.

    And possibly:

    --TS 21:13, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    Well, I've taken the first step by semi-protecting the article for a week. I think an SPI request would be appropriate here. Looie496 (talk) 21:44, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    See Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Marvin1292. Looie496 (talk) 21:58, 22 October 2010 (UTC)
    Actually, this has been brought up twice (!) at SPI. The main case is at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/Stevehhll. — HelloAnnyong 22:27, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    I think this is me again. I filed cases in multiple venues without really flagging what I was up to. Between 2113 and 2144 I filed cases here, at WP:RFPP and at WP:SPI with no real coordination and not knowing that the Stevehhll case had already been filed by TenOfAllTrades. It's even worse than that--before actually doing anything I edit warred up to three reverts with that very aptly names sock puppet, "The great sluggo". Must. Not. Panic. So. Much.

    Sorry everybody.

    Thanks Looie for the prompt semi-protection of the page and the pro-active approach. We need to co-ordinate a bit more, that's all. All in all, not bad for a Friday evening when a young man's fancy turns to... oh TMI. --TS 22:59, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

    CC: Uninvolved eye (and voice)

    Yet another thread that is not an enforcement request
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Hi. Can someone obviously uninvolved take a look at the following edits (and edit summaries) by User: Lumidek and, if deemed appropriate, lend a calming voice to the situation?

    Thanks. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:02, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Is there a reason to believe a user can not delete material from his own UT page? (your third diff)? I had thought that such was a pretty much unalienable right on WP. Likely that one should be deleted from the complaint IMHO. Collect (talk) 15:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Read the edit summary of that one. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 15:18, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Let me just mention that I was not involved in any arbitration ruling on Misplaced Pages, at least not in the last 3 years, so the comment above clearly doesn't belong to the page where people ask for enforcement of arbitration rulings. I realize that my problems don't belong here, either. But I would still be grateful if someone told me whether a user can ask for some protection against blackmailing by other users, e.g. in the situations described in the four links above. An answer on my talk page might be good. Thank you, Lumidek --Lumidek (talk) 15:35, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    (ec)I have also read, for example, edit summaries from others from their UT pages. Recognise "do let me know if you manage to think)," "ultimately pointless," " fool," "PZ is a world-class asshat. That is all.)," "potty peer begone," "rv trolling" and so on? Again - yhe edit was proper, and the disingenuousness about complaining about the edit summary would make far more sense if you complained about other edit summaries from UT pages, really. Sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof. Lo alecha hamlacha ligmor more or less. Collect (talk) 15:43, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    For those not versed in Jewish religious sayings, the incomplete statement above means "You are not obliged to finish the task"; but the complete saying continues "but nor are you free to abstain from it" -- thus actually contradicting Collect's argument. The disgrace of it -- two Jews debating Pirkei Avot online on Shabat!RolandR (talk) 16:16, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    The Keith Briffa article has seen what appears to be the renewal of an attempt to add BLP-violating material (poorly sourced speculation) that was last there back in Spring and apparently pushed by the same parties who are now back to try again.

    I've put a request for the article to be temporarily given full protection to stop this campaign in its tracks. There are not newcomers but editors who have tried to insert this stuff before. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Collect, please be arcse that edit summaries such as those you quote are emphatically not acceptable, and thic anybody abusing Misplaced Pages editing privileges in that way under the discretionary sanctions will come under scrutiny. The old "us versus them" mentality is dead. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Which was my point. Folks should not be blind to such summaries, nor should they only report ones that they do not agree with. And the "lo alecha" quote was precisely what I meant - If one wishes to work on a task, one should not shrink from it on the basis that they only see with one eye the task ahead. Clear? (Whilst I am not Jewish (though having Jewish relatives), an Orthodox synagogue president said I was born to study Talmud) Collect (talk) 16:40, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    On his user page Lumidek identifies himself as the celebrated theoretical physicist Luboš Motl. Tasty monster (=TS ) 16:34, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    It seems that Luboš hasn't changed much since this blogosphere analogue of an AN/I thread, take particular note of the comment by User:John Baez posted here. Count Iblis (talk) 19:37, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Everybody needs to stop creating sections here that are not specific enforcement requests. If you have any doubts, please read the instructions at the top of the page. If you file a request here, at a minimum you need to specify the remedy that is involved and how it applies to the current situation. This is not ANI. Looie496 (talk) 20:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    I suggest you re-read WP:BURO. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 20:21, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Lumidek

    Editor has been warned about CC sanctions and warning has been logged
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Lumidek

    User requesting enforcement
    TS 20:29, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Lumidek (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate change#Climate_change:_discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. 11:26, 23 October 2010 violates Principle 8 (BLP) of the arbitration, which editors in the topic area are expected to follow. The restored text, initially added by the same editor in March but removed shortly thereafter, contains highly speculative and damaging accusations about Briffa and his colleagues sourced from a blog and an opinion column in the Melbourne-based Herald Sun written by Andrew Bolt.
    1. 14:06, 23 October 2010 violates Principles 3 (User conduct), 6 (Casting aspersions), and 21 (Battlefield editing) which the instructions in the discretionary sanctions instruct all editors in the topic area to follow.
    1. 14:19, 23 October 2010 (in edit summary) violates Principles 3 (User conduct), 6 (Casting aspersions), and 21 (Battlefield editing) which the instructions in the discretionary sanctions instruct all editors in the topic area to follow.
    1. 14:53, 23 October 2010 violates Principles 3 (User conduct), 6 (Casting aspersions), and 21 (Battlefield editing) which the instructions in the discretionary sanctions instruct all editors in the topic area to follow.
    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    Other than informal warnings about the discretionary sanctions and their applicability to his first edit today, Lumidek has received no prior warnings about the sanctions resulting from the recently concluded arbitration case.

    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    As Lumidek misinterprets informal warnings like this as "blackmail" and removal of his edits as "vandalism", a formal notification of the discretionary sanctions would help.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    Lumidek's self-identification as the celebrated theoretical physicist Luboš Motl is confirmed by this posting on Motl's blog. I'm not a Scientologist, by the way, but I do look rather fetching in a kilt.
    Lumidek has also made some other edits today in the field of theoretical physics, without controversy. If he's back on Misplaced Pages for good now, that's very welcome news.
    Sandert (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) today also restored the questionable content with the inappropriate edit summary "Restoring a relevant section vandalized by Stephan Schulz". An examination of his contributions suggests that this user was created in March for the sole purpose of edit warring that material into the article Keith Briffa. A formal notification of the sanctions might be in order at the very least, for that editor.
    On my request, the article has been protected for three days by Spartaz (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) . --TS 21:09, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
    here.

    Discussion concerning Lumidek

    Statement by Lumidek

    Comments by others about the request concerning Lumidek

    Result concerning Lumidek

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    Lumidek has been notified, and the notice has been logged. Looie496 (talk) 20:55, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Off2riorob

    User formally notified of ARBCC discretionary sanctions. No further action taken at this time. T. Canens (talk) 23:51, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

    Request concerning Off2riorob

    User requesting enforcement
    Stephan Schulz (talk) 22:32, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    User against whom enforcement is requested
    Off2riorob (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
    Sanction or remedy that this user violated
    Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Climate_change#Climate change:_discretionary_sanctions
    Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
    1. Knowingly inserts an unsourced claim into a BLP covered by the case.
    2. Knowingly inserts an unsourced claim into a BLP covered by the case.
    3. Inserts the same claim sourced to a blog/opinion piece
    4. Inserts the same claim again.

    This violates in particular Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Biographies_of_living_people and Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Climate_change#Disruptive_editing.

    Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

    Should really not be necessary, since the editor is well aware of the ArbCom case, having participated in the discussion and later discussed the outcome. However, a warning was added while I filled in this too-long form:

    1. Warning by Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
    Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
    Strong explanation of the inappropriateness of the action, formal warning.
    Additional comments by editor filing complaint
    • I'm fairly surprised at this behaviour. It has a distinct pointy smell to me.
    • The user has been blocked by User: TeaDrinker for a violation of WP:3RR while I filled in this too-long form. I think a formal warning will still be useful.
    • I'm a bit concerned about what seem to be recurrent problems.
    Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

    Discussion concerning Off2riorob

    Statement by Off2riorob

    Comments by others about the request concerning Off2riorob

    I was in the middle of filing an identical request on this sequence of events when User:Timotheus Canens warned Off2riorob and logged it with commendable efficiency . Off2riorob has also been blocked for edit warring. --TS 22:49, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    I think this one's done. Noting that Louie496 has warned the editor: "This is pretty disappointing, as it's clear that the motive for those edits was malicious. In my view, any repetition of this behavior is likely to get you either topic-banned from the CC domain or blocked for a substantial period of time." . --TS 22:59, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Prior extensions of good faith given to Off2riorob
    • Off2riorob was twice given extensions of good faith, after he promised not to engage in disruptive editing again - and he has reneged on those comments, please see some brief history, below:
    1. 16 April 2009 - 72 hour block for disruption at WP:GA article was reduced to 48 hours, after Off2riorob agreed in the future to seek out dispute resolution instead of be disruptive .
    2. 29 September 2009 - Sanctioned with parole of 1RR per page per day for 5 weeks, instead of being given a "lengthy block".
    Prior comments by admin Chillum
    Prior comments by admin Moreschi
    Please examine this case with regard to prior extensions of good faith, and failure to abide by prior promises to stop engaging in disruptive editing. Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 23:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    That's a bit beyond the scope of the case. I mean, a more general remedy may be necessary and perhaps it's a matter the community can deal with. If not, there's arbitration. --TS 23:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Nod, and that may also be appropriate. Just think it is relevant to note prior extensions of good faith given to this user in question, and user's subsequent failure to change behavior patterns. -- Cirt (talk) 23:05, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Yes, even if it doesn't weigh for a topic ban at this point it's something for the record, if he goes on and infringes again within the topic area. --TS 23:07, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Alright, sound reasoning. Agreed, -- Cirt (talk) 23:08, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Looie496 is perfectly correct about the warning requirement. No further sanction should be under consideration at this point. The editor is now in receipt of a warning--TS 23:14, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    Result concerning Off2riorob

    This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

    Um, anything left to do here? T. Canens (talk) 22:50, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

    I don't think so. Editor has been warned, warning has been logged, and editor has been advised that any repetition of this behavior will have serious consequences. Looie496 (talk) 23:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Please see some prior history of failure to abide by extensions of good faith extended to the user, above. -- Cirt (talk) 23:01, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    This page should only be used for enforcement of ArbCom sanctions. The CC sanctions do not support blocking of editors who have not been formally notified. If there are other considerations that justify a longer block, it needs to be imposed without reference to this process. Looie496 (talk) 23:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)
    Okay, sounds good. Looks like in that case, all is done here, for now. ;) No worries, -- Cirt (talk) 23:12, 23 October 2010 (UTC)