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The Aquabats

Hey IllaZilla,
Thanks for keeping up on The Aquabats page. I don't really know how to go about making edits, as I see what I did was removed. I was the Aquabats original guitarist and was in the band from 1994 to 1995. How do I go about getting credit on the Aquabats page? If you search on google for the Aquabats and my name, Matt Van Gundy, you will find me. I have photos from my days in the band as well. Please advise on what I need to do.
Thanks, linusvg —Preceding undated comment added 15:28, 9 February 2011 (UTC).

The Hippos

Hey IllaZilla,
Thanks for keeping tabs on The Hippos page. You reverted my addition of an album picture for the page's picture, saying that promotional picture should be fine. Do you know of a picture that could be used? I'd love to see some kind of media on the page.
Thanks, Badums (talk) 15:38, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Here are a few I found through a Google search (it's tough cuz of course you search "The Hippos" and you get 1,000 pictures of hippopotamuses): --IllaZilla (talk) 19:14, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

Hey buddy, I think those are all great pics, especially . I also found the photo from their Heads Are Gonna Roll album cover on a LTJ wiki: . Unfortunately, I'm a big purist when it comes to uploading stuff, so I'm never comfortable with just casually deciding that something is fair use and uploading it. Any interest in uploading it to wikimedia commons? For some reason, it's less objectionable to me if someone else does it... - Badums (talk) 00:02, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Well, fair use can't go to Commons, but I can certainly upload it here. I'll take a look at it when I get home. --IllaZilla (talk) 00:04, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce

Hi, could you help me improve the text? I do not agree that this is a "trivial detail that does nothing to exlain the album or its nature". Tom put the song as the first on the album so this might not be accidental. And the error in the name of the title song should mean something. Could you shorten the text so you feel comfortable about it not being a Latin class and I will look for the sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohts (talk • contribs) 07:49, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

There are a couple of problems:

1. Your text is unsourced
2. The issue amounts to at most a minor grammatical error, or at least a typo. The difference between the title and your "correct sentence" is a single letter.
3. There is no indication from any sources, primary or secondary, that the error has any deep meaning.
4. There is no need to expound on the grammatical rules of Latin in order to state that there is a simple 1-letter error.

As a P.S., you don't need to put your text (in either articles or talk pages) on multiple lines. Simply type normally; Misplaced Pages will wrap the text when it reaches the right margin. All these unnecessary carriage returns have to be cleaned up, especially if you use them in article text. --IllaZilla (talk) 08:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)

Point by point: — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kohts (talk • contribs) 22:07, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

1. What source would be preferrable? Do you think such source is ok: http://www.math.ohio-state.edu/~econrad/lang/lprep.html ? You can checkout "per" which is used only with Accusative conjunction. And here is the link for Accusative form of "lux" (search for lucem): http://www.learnlangs.com/biblelatin/lesson6.htm
2. The difference is one letter, sure, but would it seem ok to you if they spelled London as Londun?
3. Any error has its meaning, for some deep, for some not. Especially when you are pretending to be "leading the world through the light".

So here is my another version of the addition to the "Love" entry:

The title of the first song "Et Ducit Mundum Per Luce" is written in Latin and means "And leads the world through the light". Unfortunately it has a grammar error in it, so the correct phrase would be "Et Ducit Mundum Per Lucem" (plus the above mentioned links to the Latin grammar sources)

--Kohts —Preceding undated comment added 22:04, 20 January 2011 (UTC).

1. I'm not keen on giving readers a lesson in Latin. Find a source that remarks on the song title and its meaning; that's what I was getting at.
2. I point out the difference being merely 1 letter to reinforce that we do not need an extended Latin lesson to explain the error. Common sense says that an error of a single letter is most likely a typor or a simple grammatical mistake.
3. We cannot assume that the error has any meaning unless there is a reliable source stating that it does. Without such a source, assuming that it has some deep meaning is original research. As I said, common sense says it's nothing more than a typo or simple grammatical mistake.

--IllaZilla (talk) 22:12, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

Totally agree with you about typo or simple mistake. But as long as most people nowadays do not understand Latin, this should be pointed out for them, so everyone can make his/her own judgement about the meaning or the absence of the meaning in this typo or simple mistake.

As for the sources you can google "et ducit mundum per luce" and find out on every page that the correct version is "lucem". Do you want a column in the The New York Times as a source? --Kohts

That's not what I mean. I'm talking about a source that remarks on the Angels & Airwaves song title and its significance. I didn't mean "meaning" as in translation. That's what I mean by showing the significance of this factoid rather than simply giving readers a lesson in Latin. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:30, 20 January 2011 (UTC)

I got you but you are not following me. Here is my question again: what source do you expect for such theme? The New York Times? Britannica? Who's gonna write about that?

The error we are talking about is indeed typo or small grammar error, but people can't understand that because they do not know Latin. --Kohts —Preceding undated comment added 22:41, 20 January 2011 (UTC).

Flys (1970s band)

Hello there, I was wondering if you could point me to any books or old album reviews for this band, Flys (1970s band). I'm looking to expand the article and haven't been able to find anything beyond what is already in there. Thanks in advance, J04n(talk page) 16:34, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Good Riddance

If you don't mind, I'd like to take another crack at the Bound by Ties of Blood and Affection cover. It still doesn't seem right. I believe it's 200x190, so it's a tad lopsided. I'd like to try to fix that, without going too big. Also, the current image is more grey than white. Just trying to do good for a band I've recently begun to appreciate.Jasper420 01:26, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Absolutely, feel free. My main concern with the one you previously uploaded was that it was large & hi-res enough that it could've been used as a replacement for the CD cover. I'd aim for no more than 300px on one side. They were a very good band, weren't they? I only recently came to appreciate them myself, after having a passing interest for years. --IllaZilla (talk) 02:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

It looks a little odd on the file page, but fine in the article. 300x300Jasper420 04:39, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Would you update the source link in the Summary with the URL of where you got the new version? Thanks. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:42, 25 January 2011 (UTC)

Done and done. Although it seems a little superfluous, seeing as the cover is basically one image,the same no matter where you get it, like a logo. But whatever. Image sourced.Jasper420 00:08, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing my indents

On the frustrating Terminator conversation. Just wanted to drop a line saying that in case someone brings it up as refactoring someone's talk page stuff. I'm always okay with that on my own behalf as long as it's obvious like that. That said I'm afraid I'm done with that conversation since I feel no more niceties are going to get through any better than they have thus far. I commend your efforts. You are always a class act. Millahnna (talk) 03:26, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I sometimes get heat for adjusting indents, but there was an edit conflict between your edit and mine & I didn't want it to appear as though the wrong person was being replied to. I'm going to attempt to clean up the offending text, then I'm washing my hands of it. The other editor is at AN3 already & is likely to get blocked for 3RR anyway. --IllaZilla (talk) 03:29, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

Image from No Devolución

Hello! You recently removed File:Past and Future Ruins.png from the article No Devolución under the grounds that it fails WP:NFCC criteria. I must say that I disagree with this course of action. This image was of a promotional split single that was placed next to a section devoted to this single. Let's say someone came along and created an article for the single. But it was later determined that the single fails the notability guidelines and the result of an AFD was to merge it with a relevant article. The result of this action would be a small section devoted to "Past and Future Ruins" on the No Devolución article that would retain the cover art from the single's article. So my thought process here was in part to display the cover art for this single next to a paragraph that detailed information about the single, and to prevent an inappropriate article for a non-notable release from being created. Also, the article World Painted Blood passed GA evaluation while displaying cover art for its two singles: "World Painted Blood" and "Psychopathy Red." Fezmar9 (talk) 23:15, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:NFCC #8 says "Non-free content is used only if its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic, and its omission would be detrimental to that understanding." There are only 1 or 2 sentences in the article discussing this single, and all they say was that it was released and what song was on it, so an image of it doesn't significantly increase readers' understanding of it. Especially considering that the article is not about the single, but about the album. As for World Painted Blood, I have no doubt that if the article ever goes through an FA review (or if an editor with a keen eye for NFCC comes across it) those images will be removed for the same reason. --IllaZilla (talk) 01:31, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Could one not also argue that the cover art for the album does not meet these criteria either? The policy opens up with "There is no automatic entitlement to use non-free content in an article or elsewhere on Misplaced Pages." The cover art in the infobox hardly helps anyone understand this album, and removing wouldn't hinder that. The cover art is also not discussed anywhere in the body, so its presence isn't supporting any text. Fezmar9 (talk) 03:43, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

WP:NFC explicitly allows for cover art in the context of critical commentary of the item in question (not requiring that the covert art itself be the topic of discussion, but rather the item it represents). Longstanding consensus is that the use of cover art for an item in the infobox of an article about that item is covered by this, since our articles are supposed to contain critical commentary (the definition of "critical commentary" being somewhat vague but generally understood to be encyclopedic coverage sourced to reliable third-party sources). This has been discussed many times at various NFC/NFCC talk pages. Yes, some articles are poor, but we understand that poor articles are works in progress that in time will either be improved or removed, and thus removing cover art from an infobox based solely on article quality is not a good rationale (one should instead attempt to improve the article or nominate it for deletion/redirection).

That said, having non-free cover art outside the infobox, particularly multiple items of such that are not even the covers of the article's main topic (as in the cases named above), requires a bit more in the way of rationale with respect to NFCC #3a: "Multiple items of non-free content are not used if one item can convey equivalent significant information." In other words, the album cover in the infobox is OK because the article is about the album and contains a good deal of critical commentary about the album. Justifying also having the covers of the album's singles in the article would likely require either (A) critical commentary about the single covers themselves, or (B) a good deal more critical commentary about the singles. Otherwise, what stops me from going around to every album article & adding all the covers of all the singles? --IllaZilla (talk) 04:16, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Template:Infobox album

With regards to template talk:infobox album#"Greatest hits" → "Greatest hits album": would you be able to create a stub for video album? It's not a good look to have a red link in the infobox and I'm not too versed with video albums. Adabow (talk · contribs) 02:48, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

I can give it a try, but it might take me a few days. Quite busy IRL right now, mostly just doing watchlist activity this week. --IllaZilla (talk) 04:18, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Re: Quotations

Hi, by the way I saw your edit summary on my talk page when I removed your comment on my talk page (on accident), I removed it now since you didn't reply in a few days. Anyways, I was going to say that I probably will need help on condensing the Allmusic reviews I added to those Rancid articles. And I decided to move this to your talk page just because I find it much easier to comment on other people's talk page rather than my own. So if you could help me out that would be great. Thanks! :) --Blaguymonkey (talk) 09:04, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, I have to work today but I'll take a look later & see what I can do. --IllaZilla (talk) 16:16, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Can I?

If I'm not allowed to post the fates of the characters in the plotline, then can I do it on the Character section? --SonnyBobSampson (talk) 18:00, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

I assume you're referring to Aliens (film). Please don't. Note that the section you refer to is called "Cast", not "Characters"...the idea is to focus on the real-world aspects of the film: the actors, how/why they were cast for these roles, and how they played them. It is not "Plot Summary Part 2" where we continue to expound on the actions of the characters in the plot. The plot section adequately and concisesly covers what happens to the individual characters. The individual fates of all the minor characters are not important to the overall flow of events and do not need to be described in detail. It may benefit you to read manual of style for film articles, particularly the sections on Plot and Cast sections. --IllaZilla (talk) 22:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Removed gross

Re: your comment on Terminator Salvation, I removed the gross because none of the other Terminator films state their grosses in the lede. I was going for standardization, though I honestly don't care enough one way or another to bother reverting your restoration; my only concern was to end the edit warring over the reception. :) EVula // talk // ☯ // 01:50, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The Boat that Rocked

You are being overly-protective of the article for the film The Boat that Rocked by immediately reverting all of my good faith edits. You do not own the article. Your revert of my last edit here to prevent my correction of a run-on sentence is completely wrong and misguided. Please explain yourself. Mice never shop (talk) 02:48, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

I explained it in my edit summary: It was not a run-on sentence, and breaking paragraphs after 2 sentences is poor structure. --IllaZilla (talk) 06:26, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

What means "sensical"?

Hi, I was browsing The Terminator and noticed the most recent change was flagged '(rv to last sensical version)'. What means "sensical," please? --David F (talk) 03:30, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

The opposite of "nonsensical". Or to put it another way, "sensible", "coherent", or "logical". --IllaZilla (talk) 06:25, 8 February 2011 (UTC)