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Big Spring, Texas

Wow. Quite an RFC, eh? Happyjoe appears to be using anonymizing proxies to hit the page from IPs all over the world; do you think semiprotection is in order? Thanks for your help. OhNoitsJamie 07:14, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Great minds think alike; I just sprotected it. If you catch any other socks, tag them as {{sockpuppet|Ohnoitsjayme}} so everything will match. Hopefully, now that he can't edit the RfC, he'll go away, but if not, we have plenty of people around to block him. Essjay 07:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Since I was prevented from responding to the RFC, due to those who wished to suppress my response with unwarranted accusations, I had no choice but to use any means necessary in order to insure that I was able to adequately respond to the RFC. It is a shame that there are those who prefer to squelch discussion on this issue. Happyjoe 69.145.215.206 06:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

I have discovered that my account "Happyjoe" is blocked from editing due to some sort of misunderstanding over the Big Spring, TX article. Please remove this block so that I may complete necessary editing on other articles. Thank you for your timely assistance in resolving this problem... Happyjoe 69.145.215.206 03:19, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Hmmmm...You've abused open proxies to evade blocks, you've vandalized pages, you've inserted personal attacks into an RfC, and you've created and used multiple abusive sockpuppets....I'm not exactly inclined to believe you have Misplaced Pages's best interests in mind. No dice, the block stays. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I now accept the pillars of Misplaced Pages and I agree to abide by all of the rules, regulations and policies of Misplaced Pages, including respect for consensus and NPOV. Further, I have given up my attempts to provide any input for the Big Spring, TX article. I have prayed about my actions and have been guided to seek forgiveness and change my ways. And I agree to cease making POV edits. I give my 100% word that I will not revert to my old ways and will strive to be a model citizen of the Misplaced Pages community. Therefore, I most sincerely ask for you to please give me another chance and to unblock my account. I assure you that I will not let you down. Thank you - Happyjoe — Preceding unsigned comment added by 168.187.0.35 (talk • contribs)

The only reason for using open proxies is because my account has been unjustly blocked. I am obviously not trying to use the open proxies to hide or conceal my identity in any way as I am adding the name Happyjoe to my edits (which I might add starts a new round of unjustified IP blocking). Look, I just want to be a responsible member of the Misplaced Pages community, but I am thwarted at every turn. I am sure that you are probably a nice and reasonable person. I believe that I have been labeled by one or two people and once the label is applied EVERYONE on Misplaced Pages assumes that the label is in fact true and then there is no way to have the label removed once applied. I have been trying to resolve this mistake for quite some time now and have contacted countless individuals on Misplaced Pages to ask for their assistance. However as soon as I ask for their assistance they assume that the previous labels applied are true and as well.

Further I also strongly believe in the value of prayer and the concept of forgiveness. My heart has convicted with the need to alter my actions. I have prayed about the things I have done wrong in this community and asked Jesus Christ to lead me to be a witness for Him.

In addition, I am also interested in becoming an Admin on Misplaced Pages and would very much like your support in this. But obviously I must first have my account unblocked before I can become an Admin. I offer my sincere thanks and deep gratitude for your assistance and support.

Happyjoe using 201.0.51.210 18:21, 27 February 2006 (UTC) because that is currently the only alternative.

Not even a response to my sincere apologies? Happyjoe

Proxies

Ah yes, I wasn't aware that was actually a proxy. I'm very curious...how did you know I blocked that address? You must be sitting somewhere with a monitor open...I think you can double to be a computer engineer as well? :-) --129.97.229.23 10:45, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I assume you're HappyCamper logged out; yeah, I'm watching that page, since it's become a list of open proxies. I'm scanning them as I see them and blocking them indef. Essjay 10:47, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

86.10.231.219 blocking

You blocked the above user. Can you supply the page blanking, addition of random text, deliberate misinformation, privacy violations, you mentioned? I am curious about these sort of trangressions, and was observing his actions, so would like to see the examples. Thanks. john 11:08, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Removing comments from AN/I, as well as his harassment of User:Thsgrn. Essjay 11:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

The block you have imposed is unwarranted at best, and not at all conducive to resolving the root problem, which is the suppression of content on a number of medical articles by users who constantly push the edge of the envelope. Please consider taking a less authoritarian approach to resolving the matter, rather than condoning the problematic behavior of those who relentlessly dismantle content that does not strictly adhere to the dogma of medical orthodoxy. Ombudsman 12:06, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

I suggest you raise the issue on AN/I; I stand behind my block of an IP address that was caught redhanded removing commentary from AN/I and harassing other contributors. Essjay 12:09, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Could you please provide a link specifically of the alleged deletion? You have removed a valid notice board posting and deleted relevant discussion from the anon's talk page, so it seems that you have engaged in exactly the kind of behavior that you describe as 'red handed'. Your unilateral decision to block the anon clearly takes sides with editors engaged in a wide ranging, disruptive campaign to delete broad swaths of content, contributed to provide reasonable balance to a number of medical articles. An example of the type of imbalance that is being enforced can be observed at the anti-vaccinationists article, an ill-conceived distraction that has been proffered as a subsitute for the deleted vaccine critics article. Your recent entry into this larger debate would be more welcome if you would use your admin privileges in a more even handed manner. Ombudsman 13:10, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, it's posted above, but I suppose I can repeat it for your convenience: here. Notice how he removes comments from the other party while adding his own commentary. Given that the block has long since expired, it's a rather moot point. And, just once, I'd like someone to come to complain and actually assume good faith about administrator actions, rather than coming out of the starting gate with "you've taken sides" with a group of people I didn't even know existed, or "consider a less authoritarian approach" when all I did was my job (which I don't get paid to do, or, for that matter, thanked very often). Perhaps next time you can be a bit more considerate and not leave inflammatory and accusatory commmentary on the talk page of an uninvolved administrator who is a volunteer here just like everybody else. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Good Morning User:Essjay. Your comments on the following would be appreciated.

Please correct me if you feel I am wrong in any of this but, on first blush it seems from the evidence that you have fabricated a complaint against another editor and engaged in vandalism to do so by deleting content. You then seem to have falsified the record, blocked the other editor (me) and maintained your stance even when challenged by other editors. There is no deleted text in your alleged example of vandalism . Clearly no vandalism there. Nothing to justify a block.

Evidence:-

• I reported an incident fully documented with evidence to the Administrator's notice board ]
• you seem to have vandalised the report by deleting content which content showed the report is well-founded]
• you then seem to have applied a false edit summary stating "Reverted edits" ... "to last version by Essjay" but there is no "last version by Essjay"
• you then seem to have improperly blocked the other editor (me) ] for no valid reason other than what appears to be your own vandalism
• when challenged by a third party editor ] you appear so confident you will be protected you say "I suggest you raise the issue on AN/I" and say "I stand behind my block of an IP address that was caught redhanded removing commentary from AN/I and harassing other contributors." Note however:-

• the only commentary removed was by you and none was removed by the blocked user
• the evidence in the blocked user's documented AN/I report shows clearly he was not harrassing but was reporting harrassment, baiting and disruption by the user that your actions are protecting.

• another third party editor asks you to explain ] but you again provide no specifics. However, what you do say links the block directly to my AN/I report on Misplaced Pages.

I look forward to hearing from you.

- The Invisible Anon 11:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your work, Essjay. Carry on just as you are. The Invisible Anon 14:09, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Just to clarify that I would appreciate a response to the query placed today by me and that the immediately preceding text is an edit by User:Midgley.

User:Midgley appears to have registered himself today as User:The Invisible Anon. He is now editing as User:The Invisible Anon and following me around and adding edits as "The Invisible Anon", just like the one immediately above. The Original Invisible Anon at 86.10.231.219 15:30, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Neoconservatism - My confusion

Hi. Sorry for my confusion, I will take your advice. Thanks. Enjoy your long weekend. --Cberlet 13:04, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Sure thing. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Undelete

Hi, cloud you get this undeleted? Your and administrator, and I don't know who else to turn to. The Republican 20:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Never mind, it got undeleted. The Republican 22:34, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

K. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Association of Members Advocates

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Association_of_Members%27_Advocates This is the mediation group I am involved with. Not yours. The mediation advice I gave was an INFORMAL MEDIATION ONLY, the first level of mediation. See Misplaced Pages: Resolving disputes. Cameronian 10:14, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

You need to be very, very explicit about which group you belong to; saying "I am a member of the Mediation Committee" leads individuals to believe you are discussing the Mediation Committee, which is an official committee. The AMA is not an official body; it is, like most other Misplaced Pages groups, an independent group of individuals who help out others. Had you said the "Arbitration Committee" or "The Board" instead of "Mediation Committee," I guarantee the response would have been far worse than a note on your talk page; being clear is very important, especialy when there is an official group with the name you used. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Have fun!

Hey Essjay, enjoy your trip, make sure it is a safe one! KnowledgeOfSelf 12:26, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Had a great time, I'll tell you about it later. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I look forward to it! KnowledgeOfSelf 10:18, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Psst

Check out this page. Pass it along. Nudge nudge. -- evrik 17:15, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Mediation

Hello, Essjay. I was referred to you by Thames because you are currently mediating a dispute over the Neoconservatism article. I also have issues with Jacrosse concerning the French Turn and Max Shachtman articles, and I have requested mediation for the former. I'm not sure if you'd want take on mediation considering your previous experience with the Neoconservativism dispute, but I thought I'd give you a heads-up. Thanks --metzerly 18:27, 24 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, another heads-up. Jacrosse is now going so far as to remove disputed tags (see these diffs ). I warned him that if he does it again I will report him for vandalism. Thanks --metzerly 04:28, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I'm not the mediator, I'm the Chair of the Mediation Committee; I don't take active cases if I can avoid it, as an active case takes a great deal of time, and that leaves me unable to undertake my duties as the chairman. If you have posted an RfM, I'll accept and assign it to someone as soon as all the parties sign on and I have a mediator available. As far as the other goes, the best advice I can offer is to report it to WP:ANI or WP:AIV. Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for your help. --metzerly 04:41, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

wow

I'm new on wikipedia. I can make an article, and add links and pictures--but thats it. From seeing your talk page, irealize you really know what you're doing. Could you tell me if there's a page about how to get started (aside from all the introduction pages, which I already know.

Thanks, Theonlyedge 00:35, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Hello! I will meet you on your talk page. Kd4ttc 05:11, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for taking care of that for me! Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

IBS Informal mediation

(I have posted the following to Kd4ttc, just letting you know what has been said) Any member of Misplaced Pages is entitled to act as a mediator in any case, whether they are a member of a committee or not. If you look carefully under informal mediation, you will see that anybody is entitled to come in and give an opinion on the matter. I was approached, as far as I was aware, to give this sort of informal mediation, not to act as an advocate. There was no need at the time for a formal mediation or advocacy, as rules and policy had been broken, therefore the changes sarastro made were valid, and the reversions were not. However, due to the events which later transpired, I found it necessary to start a more formal mediation, again, something which any user who has no involvment in the article itself has the right to do. I also considered the reverts to be bordering on vandalism, as I have a qualifications in both biology and medical ethics, and I saw Sarastro's edits as useful to people who had the condition or were researching the condition. I hope a satisfactory conclusion can be drawn from this mediation, and that all users will be able to work together to produce a high quality article. This will be my final comment until you (Kd4ttc) receive a reply from the co-ordinators of the mediation and advocacy comittees. Thank You. Cameronian 11:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

I have no problem with that at all; my issue was that you specifically said "Mediation Committee" which refers to the Mediation Committee, not the AMA. As I said above, it is very important to be clear, because it is not uncommon for individuals to claim to be a Mediator or Arbitrator in an attempt to use the presumed influence of the position; I'm glad to hear this was not the case, but if you'll go reread your statement, it certainly appears that way, and convinced at least one other individual that you were doing just that (hence why I was contacted). Be more careful in the future, and there will be no problems. I wish you the best of luck with your work! Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Cheers, Essjay... I think I must have been pretty tired to write mediation committee!!! Thanks for clearing it up. Cameronian 17:39, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Essjay: Thanks for checking into this. Kd4ttc 18:00, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

User page

Hi Essjay. That user page is great! If you could move it in when you're back, that'd be great. If you want to merge the histories, that'd be especially cool, but that might take a while, I suppose! I hope you've had a good weekend. Cheers, Sam Korn 20:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Had a great time, and I'll merge the histories as soon as I finish responding to all these notes! ;-) Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

A note from the Admin Coaching coordinator

Hello, coaches. As you can see, there is a significant backlog at the Esperanza Admin Coaching program. Since we do not want users to have to wait forever to get assigned, I'm asking all of you for a status report. If you feel that you are done, that your coachee is not active enough, or that you could handle the extra load from another coachee, please tell me in my talk page as soon as possible. Thanks! Titoxd 06:43, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

About your email

I felt like it, I would have rather done it to the Fat Joe article. :)

??? Essjay 04:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Award

Thank you so much, I really appreciate it! I have to say, the occasional break is a good thing; Robbie & I flew south over the weekend to visit friends, and had an amazing time. I'm so very refreshed, it's nice to step away from the stress and the "Oh my god, you rogue admin, you're out to get me" comments; this on top of the refreshing vacation is just great! Thanks so much! Essjay 04:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Happyjoe

User:Happyjoe seems to be spamming other editors at random, including JoanneB and me. I've never even heard of Big Spring, TX. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 05:27, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Drop the IP's he's using on WP:AIV and link to User:Happyjoe requesting further blocks and they'll take care of it for you! :-) Essjay 05:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for the WP:AIV link. Best wishes, Walter Siegmund (talk) 20:29, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Admin-action counter

re: your idea of creating an admin counter, like the edit counter... Well, what do you know, the query is faster than I thought. It looks like it's very feasible, but will take a bit of work to output the bar graph, etc. Bug me again sometime if I forget about it, it's probably a good idea (I know I haven't doing CSD-duty as often as I should be...). --Interiot 05:52, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I've updated the edit counter to include some breakdown of admin actions. Is this sort of what you had in mind? Do you have any suggestions otherwise?

Also, it does slow the edit counter down a little, especially for people like Curps , though it's interesting nonetheless to be able to see the monthly graph for Curps. --Interiot 19:07, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

User:Eldon hoke

Lir made a post about this here and maybe you might want to respond on there, I don't know. Anyway, I thought I'd say my opinion on it (I can't on his talk page since its protected).

I agree with you that finding out an IP address is wrong, and you shouldn't be doing it. I mean, why would someone want to do it? It seemed like in this case it was likely to attack them in some way, perhaps to figure out that the editor who made the post was really (insert real name here), or from a certain company or something like that. Or it might have been that they already have an IP address for someone who did something on another site and was trying to figure out if it was the same person.

I for one don't consider IP addresses to be private. The whole mess with CheckUser is something that I disagree with strongly. In my opinion all admins should be able to see IP addresses of all users. That way any CheckUser bits can be more transparent, rather than having to "trust" people with CheckUser access, which of course is just asking for abuses of power to happen. Its silly. They are not private. Your IP address is shown all over the internet, everywhere you go. And the thing is that most people share an IP with others, either with several logged in at the same time on the same IP or else it cycles through. It seems that with my current system I get about 10,000 different IP addresses to cycle through, and of course if Misplaced Pages admins feel the need to ban all 10,000 then you've also got rid of a big section of your users too. I sign my name, and really you never should have banned me to begin with. I've never been disruptive and I am not trying to hurt the Misplaced Pages. But anyway that's beside the point.

So this guy I think should have got a warning first. You didn't warn him. Warn him, tell him to knock it off, and make it very explicit. If he continues, then ban him. One warning would do. Perhaps even consider the ban that is imposed now as that warning, and then unban him and if he tries it again then permaban. How does that sound?

Anyway, feel free to post on the forum. Your posts are always welcome. User:Zordrac 17:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

• I just happened to be perusing some contributions and stumbled upon Zordrac's message here. I would like to state that I do apologize, but Igor declared "martial law" on the forums and exercized his admin powers there to ban ten seperate users, yourself included. I can lift that ban, but, having discussed things with Igor, he has agreed to allow me to do so (and not reverse me) if I wait until twelve hours from when he notified me (so at about 11:00 AM PST). I apologize for the inconvienence if you were planning on expediently replying to Zordrac's post. (We will be moving the forum to a seperate server soon to avoid these kerflops, among other things). --Blu Aardvark | 10:15, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

• Well, it's all over now. Igor has finished his rant, all admins and moderators have been removed, and the forum is now locked down. We've moved it to a seperate server, and it is now hosted at http://wikipediareview.com. Just in case you are interested. --Blu Aardvark | 13:22, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Re: Drink

Cheers! Rob Church (talk) 10:02, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Catholic Star

On this page, Misplaced Pages:Personal user awards, this link doesn't work.evrik 15:59, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

User Cameronian

Welcome back. This is a reminder about the User:Cameronian who had stated he was a member of the Mediation/Dispute committee. He has since stated he is part of the Member Advocate group. Over the weekend he has put in a request for mediation at the Irritable Bowel Syndrome Article. He represented to a new user that he could weigh in with authority on a content dispute. Unfortunately, he did not follow a mediation protocol and did not act in accordance with advocacy protocol either. Could you look back at his talk page and coment on appropriate protocols? Thanks, Steve Kd4ttc 16:33, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Food for thought

Copied from my talk (user talk:pschemp)

Essjay, I got this note, thought it might be interesting, but I'm not involved with Rex071404 so I'm not sure what to do with it. Thanks. pschemp | talk 16:56, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

I think it should be considered whether Happyjoe (talk · contribs) might be Rex071404 (talk · contribs). I wouldn't ordinarily suggest such a thing, but there's three things that make me suspect it:

• Rex's old signature, as seen here, includes a little doodle-face whose image file is "Happyjoe.jpg";
• Happyjoe picked me (as well as many others) to complain to about his account being "unjustly blocked" over a "misunderstanding". I'm not an administrator; why would he have picked me, a party so far uninvolved in anything involving him, and ask me to do something I can't do? The theory "because he knows who I am from run-ins under another name, thinks I'm an administrator, and thinks he'll be putting one over on me if he gets me to unblock this account" seems rather plausible to me.
• Frankly, a look at Happyjoe's style in this RFC, including describing a block due to a user-conduct RFC as a "mistake" that should be "fixed", reminds me a great deal of Rex.

There's nothing there that's proof, only things that are suggestive; however, I offer it as a possibility to be considered. -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Articles

You might be interested in this, and anything you could do to help with this mess would be appreciated. Thanks...Keith 23:32, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Block this guy

User:65.11.191.8 is giving me some real trouble. Not only is he a vandal, he keeps annoying me! If you can, block him. Thanks. The Republican 03:21, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

My final good-byes

Hello Essjay. I came to tell all my friends, yes, that means you, that I am leaving Misplaced Pages. Thank you for being so kind to me during my stay on Misplaced Pages. I hope to speak with you again someday. Moe ε 06:02, 28 February 2006 (UTC)