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April 13
Down by Law
In Down by Law, when Bob is abandoned on the riverbank he babbles to himself in Italian; what is he talking about? (I have some Italian but got nothing out of this.) —Tamfang (talk) 07:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
On the accuracy of Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 in Tom and Jerry.
So, I finally have children who are of the right age to appreciate the wit and sophistication of Tom and Jerry. Right now, they are watching "The Cat Concerto", and I noticed (for the first time, since I haven't seen it since I was a kid) that Tom (playing the above piece of music) seems to actually be playing the piece of music on the piano. In most cartoons where a character is playing an instrument, no effort is made to make sure that the animated hands of the character play the piece correctly. You just see some random movement, sometimes the animators make a halfassed effort to make the hands move in time with the music, but its all pretty random usually. However, in this cartoon, he seems to be hitting all the correct notes. Does anyone know (or can anyone point me to any analysis thereof) if the cartoon cat is actually playing the correct notes, or am I imagining it? --Jayron32 19:05, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- According to the Big Cartoon Database, the animation was "based on the animators studying the fingers of great cartoon composer Scott Bradley playing Franz Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody #2". ---Sluzzelin talk 19:22, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
I — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gerry Renert (talk • contribs) 19:49, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- Awesome. Thanks for finding that. Anyone know how accurate the attempt was? That is, can any piano players confirm that he's doing a really good job? --Jayron32 20:07, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- It would be interesting to find out if the playing in Rhapsody Rabbit was in the same neighborhood of accuracy. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 20:38, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'll check that out some other time, if no one else does before me. I did watch The Cat Concerto and checked with the sheet music. The beginning is certainly accurate. There are some passages where accuracy makes way for comic effect, like the glissandi produced by Jerry's frantic running under the white keys , which obviously aren't played on white keys only. In other cases, out of considerations of visual composition, I assume, the registers aren't always accurate. The espressivo part Tom plays between knocking Jerry out with a tuning hammer and having Jerry slam the piano lid on his fingers, for example, is depicted an octave too low, as far as I can tell. But all in all, it looks quite accurate, and certainly appears as though a lot of pianistic thought went into the animation. ---Sluzzelin talk 21:06, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- As for Bugs ..., you got some serious practicing to do! I merely checked the beginning, and Bugs Bunny plays rising intervals when they sound descending. No match in that department, I'm afraid. ---Sluzzelin talk 22:16, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- Good enough for confirmation. Bugsy's playing for laughs rather than accuracy. There's also the question of why the cartoon is introduced by a segment of the Siegfried Funeral March, but that's another story. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- The "other story" is that it's not Siegfried's Funeral March at all, but Prelude No. 24 in D minor from Frédéric Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28. It was written for piano solo, as was Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2, but someone has orchestrated them for the cartoon. (Liszt and Doppler did arrange 6 of the Hungarian Rhapsodies for orchestra, including No. 2, but I've never heard any of them played as a concerto for piano and orchestra, except No. 14, which was given the new title Hungarian Fantasy in that guise.) -- Jack of Oz 10:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I assume you're talking about the intro to "Cat Concerto". I was talking about the intro to "Rhapsody Rabbit", whose intro is taken from this segment at about 4:35 from Siegfried. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Right on. -- Jack of Oz 10:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I assume you're talking about the intro to "Cat Concerto". I was talking about the intro to "Rhapsody Rabbit", whose intro is taken from this segment at about 4:35 from Siegfried. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- The "other story" is that it's not Siegfried's Funeral March at all, but Prelude No. 24 in D minor from Frédéric Chopin's 24 Preludes, Op. 28. It was written for piano solo, as was Liszt's Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2, but someone has orchestrated them for the cartoon. (Liszt and Doppler did arrange 6 of the Hungarian Rhapsodies for orchestra, including No. 2, but I've never heard any of them played as a concerto for piano and orchestra, except No. 14, which was given the new title Hungarian Fantasy in that guise.) -- Jack of Oz 10:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Good enough for confirmation. Bugsy's playing for laughs rather than accuracy. There's also the question of why the cartoon is introduced by a segment of the Siegfried Funeral March, but that's another story. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:34, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- How does Tom manage to play accurately, with just three fingers (plus thumb) on each hand? — Michael J 22:31, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- Or Bugsy, for that matter. See for yourself: (sorry about the foreign stuff) Then try to figure out which one is funnier... who plagiarized from who... and just what exactly Bugsy is saying to himself at the end of his cartoon. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:52, 13 April 2011 (UTC)
- 1,338 IMDb users gave The Cat Concerto an average rating of 8.2. Merely 343 users rated Rhapsody Rabbit, and they gave it a 7.8. Anyway, they're both hilarious, as far as I'm concerned. But, as a former teenage amateur stop motion clay-figure animator, I can say that love for detail is
havehalf the fun and ambition, and I never liked Vicky the Viking because of its crappy and unimaginative animation. Bugs's animation is superb, of course, and it's ok that they didn't care about keyboard-plausibility. Obvious performance inaccuracies do bother me in otherwise more realistic films (for example the actors' gamba playing in Tous les matins du monde), but not in cartoons. It is still fun to note this particular distinction between these two rival films. As for the four fingers, of course the accuracy, where it exists, isn't 1:1, I was judging more in terms of visibly hit keys, correspondence of direction (left = down, right = up), where Bugs failed, as mentioned. ---Sluzzelin talk 08:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- 1,338 IMDb users gave The Cat Concerto an average rating of 8.2. Merely 343 users rated Rhapsody Rabbit, and they gave it a 7.8. Anyway, they're both hilarious, as far as I'm concerned. But, as a former teenage amateur stop motion clay-figure animator, I can say that love for detail is
- Watching both I'm impressed by how much effort was made to look fairly accurate--way more than most such things (I think of the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup and the "Going to War" song, especially when all four brothers are "playing" the banjo but none remotely fretting the same (which doesn't make Duck Soup any less the funniest movie ever made)). Yes, I suppose The Cat Concerto is somewhat more "realistic" than Rhapsody Rabbit (especially the bits when Bugs runs up and down the keys and the pitches go down and up instead; and Bugs also plays some chords with all three/four fingers playing neighboring keys--hardly a "chord"), but then again, both are remarkably in the vicinity of "accurate", with much leeway for comic effects (and the Bugs uses rather wilder "alternate techniques" on the piano, making "accuracy" beside the point at times). I never saw either before, so thanks for the links. I wonder, they are so similar--even the Bugs one has a pesky mouse battling the pianist--was the Bugs one inspired by the Tom and Jerry one? It seems that the Tom and Jerry one came out slightly earlier, but in the same year. Did they really crank out these things so fast they could copy one another within months? Pfly (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- The article on Rhapsody Rabbit has a section discussing the question of who-stole-from-who, and the only certainty is that Rhapsody Rabbit was registered prior to Cat Concerto. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Regarding the speed at which they "cranked them out", yes, they really did produce a LOT of episodes. In its heydey, short subject animation was very popular film format; remember that for the time period when most of these shorts were produced, TV either didn't exist, or had not yet caught on as a popular media. It really wasn't until color TV arrived in wide release in the 1960s that the Golden Age of the animated short died out completely. A look at List of Tom and Jerry cartoons shows that, during their height, Tom and Jerry was averaging 8-10 films per year during the period 1947-1957, when TV likely put a major hurt on theatre-going. However, remember this was only one franchise from one studio (MGM) which was probably the third most prolific cartoon studio of the day; if you look at the Warner Brothers studio output, see Looney Tunes and Merrie Melodies filmography, you'll see that during the same decade, Warner Brothers was averaging 30 shorts per year, or better than one every other week. The Walt Disney Studio was averaging 15-20 film shorts per year until about 1954, when they switched a large part of their effort to Television with the premier of the first Walt Disney anthology television series. Since neither MGM nor Warner had a significant presence on TV at the time, that explains why they kept their production higher for longer. --Jayron32 18:02, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- The article on Rhapsody Rabbit has a section discussing the question of who-stole-from-who, and the only certainty is that Rhapsody Rabbit was registered prior to Cat Concerto. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Watching both I'm impressed by how much effort was made to look fairly accurate--way more than most such things (I think of the Marx Brothers' Duck Soup and the "Going to War" song, especially when all four brothers are "playing" the banjo but none remotely fretting the same (which doesn't make Duck Soup any less the funniest movie ever made)). Yes, I suppose The Cat Concerto is somewhat more "realistic" than Rhapsody Rabbit (especially the bits when Bugs runs up and down the keys and the pitches go down and up instead; and Bugs also plays some chords with all three/four fingers playing neighboring keys--hardly a "chord"), but then again, both are remarkably in the vicinity of "accurate", with much leeway for comic effects (and the Bugs uses rather wilder "alternate techniques" on the piano, making "accuracy" beside the point at times). I never saw either before, so thanks for the links. I wonder, they are so similar--even the Bugs one has a pesky mouse battling the pianist--was the Bugs one inspired by the Tom and Jerry one? It seems that the Tom and Jerry one came out slightly earlier, but in the same year. Did they really crank out these things so fast they could copy one another within months? Pfly (talk) 09:39, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- (I'm pretty sure that the Marx Brothers were doing that intentionally for comedic effect. That whole number was performed in a ridiculous over-the-top parody of more serious musicals.) APL (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- At the very least, Groucho and Harpo knew how to play stringed instruments, so your guess on that point is probably on the mark(s). ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 13:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Heh, yes, that number is definitely ridiculous over-the-top...just thinking about it makes me laugh. Jayron, thanks for that overview. Must have been intense to work in that business back then. Pfly (talk) 19:12, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- At the very least, Groucho and Harpo knew how to play stringed instruments, so your guess on that point is probably on the mark(s). ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 13:55, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- (I'm pretty sure that the Marx Brothers were doing that intentionally for comedic effect. That whole number was performed in a ridiculous over-the-top parody of more serious musicals.) APL (talk) 13:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- @Michael J - in Rabbit of Seville, Bugs was given an extra digit so he could play a short piece on Elmer Fudd's head using the proper motions (there was no keyboard involved there, though, just poor Elmer's scalp.) Matt Deres (talk) 18:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Amazing! I've seen that many times and never noticed it. I just watched it — there are indeed four fingers in the wide shots, but five in the close-ups. Wow! — Michael J 22:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- @Michael J - in Rabbit of Seville, Bugs was given an extra digit so he could play a short piece on Elmer Fudd's head using the proper motions (there was no keyboard involved there, though, just poor Elmer's scalp.) Matt Deres (talk) 18:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
April 14
Sailor Uranus
Can anyone name some good Sailor Uranus websites? Neptunekh2 (talk) 00:16, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Type "Sailor Uranus" into the little white box in the middle of the page at the website http://www.google.com --Jayron32 01:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- This is like deja vu from 3 days ago. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 02:27, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Easy Rider Movie
The motorcycles in the movie Easy Rider were stolen before the last scene was shot. How were they stolen and were any ever recovered? Anyone know the inside story? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robcasey20 (talk • contribs) 07:26, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- The article Easy Rider speculates they were taken to a chop-shop. Whoever knows the inside story, assuming they're still among the living, is not likely to go public unless they want to run the risk of arrest. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 10:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- What's the statute of limitations for grand theft movie prop in California, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico and Louisiana? —Tamfang (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- NO LEGAL ADVICE. —Tamfang (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- Are you answering your own question by saying we can't answer it? -- Jack of Oz 18:51, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- NO LEGAL ADVICE. —Tamfang (talk) 02:18, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- What's the statute of limitations for grand theft movie prop in California, Arizona, Utah, New Mexico and Louisiana? —Tamfang (talk) 02:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- He is certainly stating that he wants to know the the statue of limitations, not legal advice for somehow getting around the statute of limitations. -- kainaw™ 19:25, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- alrite Guv'nor it were me wot did it, it's a fair cop, take me down Perry-mankster (talk) 20:01, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Who is Chyna whyte?
Who is this Rapper Chyna Whyte? Why is she so mysterious? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.92.149.174 (talk) 15:33, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- From my research, she appears as a vocalist on a few records here and there. Being "not that famous" does not make her that mysterious. She doesn't appear to have done more recording than the average session musician, and not every one of those has a whole lot of public information about them. --Jayron32 17:50, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
Mahisasura Maridini Stotram
Does anybody know of a decent-quality recording of this Hindu song available for purchase on CD or download? Thanks. ╟─TreasuryTag►Lord Speaker─╢ 16:53, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I know it is a surprise to find intelligence in youtube comments but they say it is on this CD meltBanana 19:08, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Aha, well done! Used that to track it down for free and legally too... thanks! ╟─TreasuryTag►ballotbox─╢ 19:52, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
American Idol - Pia Toscano elimination
Why was Pia Toscano eliminated? I know they say because she did not receive enough votes, however I don’t buy that. According to the Pia Toscano article, she was considered to be a front-runner in the competition. There was Las Vegas odds of 300 to 1 against her going home and 2 to 1 she would win the competition. What went wrong?
These are the questions I have:
- Was it because there were more female voters than male?
- I don’t buy that logic, because females would have voted for her also - because she has such a wonderful voice. I didn’t vote, but if I had, she would have received my vote.
- Was it because somewhere along the line of the voting system, many of her votes were received by another (intentionally or unintentionally)?
- Was it because there is some sort of software that can speed-dial so another can receive thousands of votes, that they really don’t deserve?
We are missing out on the sweet voice of Pia as the audience and therfore cheated, because somewhere the American Idol producers are not running the voting system correctly. Where can I send an e-mail to them - which I’m sure they will not read. All I can do in protest is refuse to watch the program and watch Survivor instead. How much did the audience drop because Pia was eliminated?--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 18:47, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- The answer is because not enough people voted for her. At the early round especially, the difference between being first and last is MUCH closer than in the later rounds, because the votes are divied up among more people. Also, people don't vote off their least favorite, the only vote for their favorite, I would imagine not a lot of fans "split" their votes if they vote multiple times. Its quite possible to be everyone's second favorite contestant and still get voted off, because there's not enough voters who like you as their favorite. Imagine a competition with four competitors, with the following preferences among, say, 1000 voters:
Contestant | First Choice | Second Choice | Third Choice | Fourth Choice |
---|---|---|---|---|
Alice | 100 | 5 | 15 | 880 |
Bob | 740 | 20 | 210 | 10 |
Charlie | 50 | 900 | 50 | 0 |
Diana | 110 | 75 | 730 | 5 |
People clearly like Charlie. In fact, Charlie appears to be one of the best singers, given that very few people would place charlie in either last or second to last place. In fact, literally NO ONE thinks Charlie should be eliminated. But Charlie gets eliminated because only people's first place vote counts. Alice, whom most people agree should be eliminated, stays because theres a tiny group of dedicated fans willing to vote her first, while Charlie, who has a MUCH broader appeal, and whom nobody wants to get rid of, gets eliminated. See, there is no conspiracy. There is no miscounting of votes. There is NO misvoting, or any shenanigans going on at all. This is just the way that the voting system works. Pia is Charlie. No one thinks she should have been eliminated. But not enough people voted for her first, so she has to go. That's how the game works. --Jayron32 19:11, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- I think that was a fantastic explanation. doomgaze (talk) 20:41, 14 April 2011 (UTC)
- Even I understood that. Thanks!--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe no shenanigans as such, but apparently the audience booed the results, and if the voting system is so flawed that the viewers don't like the outcome, the show may have "jumped the shark", as they say. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- Buggsy - I am just a dumb blond. Can you explain in simple terms the show may have "jumped the shark".' Thanks...--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Jumping the shark will explain all. We have an article on everything here. Even Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages has an article on everything!. --Jayron32 01:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- The article explains it quite we. American Idol was my favorite program, however there must be so flaw in the voting system and I blame the producers of the show. The show has climaxed and is only going downhill from here. Having a voting system that would allow Pia (their best singer) get out voted by much lesser quality singers is one huge mistake. I suspect the show has not only lost me and Tom Hanks but thousands of others. The artilce sums it up: From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. Thanks for answers.--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Jayron32's nailed it. They're using a vote where people are asked to "pick their favorite" but they're interpreting the vote by simply reversing the numbers and treating it like a "pick who gets voted out". As Jayron32 demonstrated the two polls are not equivalent. If you want to have a fair vote on who gets voted out, you have to actually ask people who should get voted out. APL (talk) 15:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- The article explains it quite we. American Idol was my favorite program, however there must be so flaw in the voting system and I blame the producers of the show. The show has climaxed and is only going downhill from here. Having a voting system that would allow Pia (their best singer) get out voted by much lesser quality singers is one huge mistake. I suspect the show has not only lost me and Tom Hanks but thousands of others. The artilce sums it up: From that moment on, the program will simply never be the same. Thanks for answers.--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 11:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Jumping the shark will explain all. We have an article on everything here. Even Misplaced Pages:Misplaced Pages has an article on everything!. --Jayron32 01:10, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I wouldn't say we know there's no misvoting. I don't follow the show but from the above and a quick search we don't really know why people voted how they did etc. I would say it's easily possible people didn't bother to vote for Pia because they thought'd she'd be fine instead voting for others who they liked perhaps less then Pia but thought were more at risk or simply not voting at all. The nature of such a system is there's good reason to vote strategically, unfortunately if too many people do it.... Nil Einne (talk) 13:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- Oh, there ARE definately voting shenanigans in the sense that voters play funny games with the way they vote. See Vote for the Worst, a website dedicated to aggregating and organizing people to intentionally screw with the results of the show by generating the sort of apparent paradoxes I describe above. They have had a marked effect on the results of the shows, especially during the middle weeks when the effect is most pronounced (see Sanjaya Malakar). However, their effect is generally such that the truly abysmal contestants (those who really are the worst of the 12 finalists) don't make it out of the first few rounds, and the very best (those with the best chance of winning it all) usually still make it to the end. However, this still doesn't mean that there's anything going on at the show's side of things; the votes can be perfectly counted, regardless of people's reasoning for voting. --Jayron32 14:41, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- Buggsy - I am just a dumb blond. Can you explain in simple terms the show may have "jumped the shark".' Thanks...--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 21:29, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Maybe no shenanigans as such, but apparently the audience booed the results, and if the voting system is so flawed that the viewers don't like the outcome, the show may have "jumped the shark", as they say. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:36, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- Even I understood that. Thanks!--Christie the puppy lover (talk) 22:10, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
April 15
(probably Indian) music ID request
An Indian school recently performed a rather innovative dance using 'Hello Kitty' umbrellas to the accompaniment of this rather wonderful piece of music. Can anybody help me identify it, or identify a CD with it on? Thanks! (Clip from my video of the dance.) ╟─TreasuryTag►without portfolio─╢ 12:04, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
MLB
I am resarching 1932 World Series, GAme 3, 5th inning when Babe Ruth hit his, "CALLED SHOT."
I am looking for the exact time when this historic event happened. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.91.152.114 (talk) 16:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- You mean the exact hour and minute? Well, let's start with 1932 World Series and see where it goes from there. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:29, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- Here's the batter-by-batter account of the game: The "called shot" came in the top of the 5th inning, approaching the halfway point of the game in terms of innings. Game time was 131 minutes, so one might surmise that Ruth's second homer of the day might have happened about 60 or 65 minutes into the game. One question would be, What was the game's starting time? We'll see. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- In this frame from the film, you can see that the shadows have extended to just behind the dirt circle around the home plate area. If you knew the sunrise and sunset times for that date, you could probably estimate the time of that moment. OR, you could track down some contemporary newspapers and see what time the game was supposed to start. I was kind of assuming 1:00, which I saw somewhere is where Game 1 (in New York) was scheduled. But that doesn't prove anything about Game 3 in Chicago. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 22:36, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- Google News Archive says it started at 1:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. Interestingly, the wire-service recap of the game I saw made no mention of Ruth calling his shot. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
- That would suggest the homer came a little after 2:30. The "called shot" was a legend that was picked up on later, so wire reports on that day probably wouldn't have said anything except that Ruth and Gehrig each homered twice. Do you have a link to that item? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- Here you go. As the article Babe Ruth's called shot says, the only game story that said Ruth called his shot was that in the New York World-Telegram. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Awesome. They don't write stories like that anymore. Vivid word-pictures. Interestingly, the article also makes no mention at all of the bench-jockeying that was going on, a fact which was central to the "called shot" story. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:49, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Here you go. As the article Babe Ruth's called shot says, the only game story that said Ruth called his shot was that in the New York World-Telegram. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- That would suggest the homer came a little after 2:30. The "called shot" was a legend that was picked up on later, so wire reports on that day probably wouldn't have said anything except that Ruth and Gehrig each homered twice. Do you have a link to that item? ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 00:02, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- Google News Archive says it started at 1:30 p.m. Central Standard Time. Interestingly, the wire-service recap of the game I saw made no mention of Ruth calling his shot. -- Mwalcoff (talk) 23:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
April 16
dragnet
my name is fred,in the early tv show of the 50s,dragnet,they used a term RNI,can someone please tell me what RNI means I can not find an answer some one has to know,you can send me you answer at my e-mail of if some one knows what this means can you please tell me it is driving me nuts I cant figure it out and can not find an answer,thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fwoodru1 (talk • contribs) 13:37, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- Possibly they were actually saying "R and I", which could mean "Records and Identification". ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 14:01, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
- You probably don't want your email address permanently published here. —Tamfang (talk) 17:22, 16 April 2011 (UTC)
April 17
NHL's 1929 New York Americans
Who's the black guy in this picture? -- Mwalcoff (talk) 02:54, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- His name appears to be Deckett; does that help? —Tamfang (talk) 04:12, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Interesting question, as the first black player in the NHL was Willie O'Ree, in the 1950s. The guy in the pic appears to be part of the front office, not a player. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:05, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Are you saying that an American hockey team had a black executive before it had a black player? Still, he isn't a player, since he doesn't appear on the roster of either the 1928–29 New York Americans season or the 1929–30 New York Americans season. Maybe a team manager or assisstant coach? Trainer? Tis a good question, and I would be interested to find out... --Jayron32 01:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Don't know if he's an executive, but he is wearing a suit and tie and posing with them as if he belongs there, so he must have been well-known at the time. However, google is not turning anything up. It's difficult to read the name. It's unfortunate that the uploadeder didn't upload a full-sized version. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:44, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if he's not a celebrity of another sort. In the 1920's, there were sports where a black man was accepted (Boxing, for one), or perhaps a singer or other entertainer. The picture is obviously not the full team picture (compare to rosters), it's not even the full roster of regular players, so this may have been a photo op with a local New York celebrity of some sort, who had no other connection to hockey... --Jayron32 12:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could well be - a photo op for all concerned. Looks vaguely like Jack Johnson, but too small. I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- At least we know that the white guy in street clothes at the right end (also not identified) is the coach, Tommy Gorman. The user listed as having uploaded the photo is still active, so I've asked him about it. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 17:12, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- In the lower right the photo identifies that it was taken in Portland, Oregon. The Americans toured the Pacific Coast Hockey League and played two games against the Portland Buckaroos that year. Looking at papers from the time, they took a nine-man roster which included the listed players plus Bullet Joe Simpson who is presumably the owner of the shoulder beside Gorman. The caption is also wrong, the Amerks weren't the runners up in the NHL in '28-'29 -- they finished second to Montreal in the Canadian Division, fourth overall and lost to the Rangers in the first round of the playoffs. --JGGardiner (talk) 18:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Just for the sake of completeness, I did some searches at www.hockeydb.com, which contains nearly complete rosters for just about any pro league for the past century. There is no contemporary player named "Duckett" "Deckett" "Buckett" or "Beckett" which is the best I can make out the name for. There is also no similarly named player to have appeared on the Buckaroos roster, see . So he isn't from that team. Maybe he was some other employee of the team; a porter or some other assistant perhaps? --Jayron32 05:07, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
- Could well be - a photo op for all concerned. Looks vaguely like Jack Johnson, but too small. I'm sure the answer is out there somewhere. :) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 16:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I'm wondering if he's not a celebrity of another sort. In the 1920's, there were sports where a black man was accepted (Boxing, for one), or perhaps a singer or other entertainer. The picture is obviously not the full team picture (compare to rosters), it's not even the full roster of regular players, so this may have been a photo op with a local New York celebrity of some sort, who had no other connection to hockey... --Jayron32 12:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Don't know if he's an executive, but he is wearing a suit and tie and posing with them as if he belongs there, so he must have been well-known at the time. However, google is not turning anything up. It's difficult to read the name. It's unfortunate that the uploadeder didn't upload a full-sized version. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 07:44, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Are you saying that an American hockey team had a black executive before it had a black player? Still, he isn't a player, since he doesn't appear on the roster of either the 1928–29 New York Americans season or the 1929–30 New York Americans season. Maybe a team manager or assisstant coach? Trainer? Tis a good question, and I would be interested to find out... --Jayron32 01:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
I note that the archive search page for this picture -- here -- simply omits the name of the black gentleman but lists all the others. --jpgordon 18:49, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
name of the movie
I watched this movie quite long time ago (in the late 1990s or most probably early 2000s). Plot revolves around the relationship between a wife and husband. The wife's boss asked her (most probably inside an airplane as far I remember) to sleep with him, which she accepted. Later the wife admitted to her husband that she slept with her boss. After she told him that she was approached by her boss, the husband tells: "What did you say?" and repeating the question again and again, and the wife replies that she accepted the offer. The husband then expresses sorrow.
In a later scene, the husband accidentally hit the wife and laments, and the wife says I love you. --Voulgdoerle (talk) 04:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- You wouldn't be mis-remembering Indecent Proposal, would you? Dismas| 05:21, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- No, it is not Indecent Proposal, I'm sure. The movie I saw had a scene where the husband accidentally hit the wife and then laments and the wife says I love you. I clearly remember this scene. --Voulgdoerle (talk) 11:16, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Exes and Ohs
Does anyone know where I can stream season 2 of Exes and Ohs online? It's a LGBT Canadian showhttp://en.wikipedia.org/Exes_and_ohs: Thank you! Neptunekh2 (talk) 06:19, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
SUB TITLE SEARCH
Looking for subtitles for Teen Mom 2 Episodes 101-109, a series on MTV. I have searched for 5 days to no avail. Please help me with a link. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 41.212.12.10 (talk) 10:45, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Yet another film title request - PLEASE.
Sorry guys - I know I keep doing this to you . . .
The USA has a problem with an Irish terrorist and they release another well known terrorist (star of the film) from jail to help them. Within the first few hours of his realease, he has a guy (a hairdresser?) backwards over the roof railings and is using him to negotiate better terms.
I thought this was Donald Sutherland - then maybe Sean Connery; but I can't find the film in either of their filmographies.
Can you help please?
Gurumaister (talk) 11:24, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- Possibly The Jackal (1997 film)? If not then a browse through the films listed in Category:Films about the Irish Republican Army and List of films featuring the Irish Republican Army might give you the answer you're looking for. --Viennese Waltz 11:47, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Viennese - it definitely is not The Jackal - but it may be worth my looking through films on the IRA. If anyone else recognises the film - I will be grateful for a hint. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gurumaister (talk • contribs) 11:50, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- I remember the hairdresser over a railing bit quite clearly from The Rock (film), which stars Sean Connery (and Nicholas Cage). It's possible you're combining fractured memories of two or more movies together though. The Masked Booby (talk) 07:04, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- except it an FBI director over the railings whilst the protagonist was getting a hair cut.... but yeah, great film.Worm · (talk) 11:15, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
That's it Guys - you've got it!! Thanks so much; I am very grateful. Gurumaister (talk) 14:54, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Without a Trace Season 3 Episode 4
In Episode 4, did the mother get arrested? In Episode 4, should the mother get punished? (JulieBenson123 (talk) 19:44, 17 April 2011 (UTC)).
Don Henley's "Boys Of Summer"
The Misplaced Pages article on Boys of Summer makes no mention of Dylan Thomas' famous poem by the same name ("Boys of Summer) and carries some of the same themes as Don Henley's poem. Is there any information to suggest that Dylan Thomas' poem had any influence on Henley's lyrics? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.41.249.239 (talk) 21:17, 17 April 2011 (UTC)
- He may have taken the title from the 1972 book by Roger Kahn, which does take its title from the Dylan Thomas poem which is quoted in the book's opening paragraphs. Ghmyrtle (talk) 07:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Also referenced in Ray Bradbury's Dandelion Wine (1957): "They passed like cloud shadows downhill... the boys of summer, running." Pepso2 (talk) 12:21, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
April 18
Magic teddies
I had a piece of cellophane stick to my hand the other day, and had problems throwing it away because it kept moving to different parts of my skin. As a result of this someone was telling me about something called magic teddies, apparently teddy bears made of cellophane which a person could buy and which would stick to their hand and move around. I'm guessing they were a novelty item or something like that. Does anyone remember these and can you tell me more about them? 86.135.224.82 (talk) 12:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Yes I remember a "magic fish" like this: the idea was you put it on the palm of your hand, and it would curl up and roll over. According to the packet it came in, the way it did this denoted particular character traits. Most people, I recall, came out as "fickle". A load of rubbish of course. Is this the sort of thing? --TammyMoet (talk) 16:09, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- See for the fish. Nanonic (talk) 16:33, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Nifty toy. I predict that the students who correctly determine the cause of its behavior will have good promise for a career in the sciences. :) (Likewise for the mexican jumping bean.) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I got one in a Christmas cracker recently (a fish, not a bear). I was probably fickle too. Alansplodge (talk) 22:02, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Nifty toy. I predict that the students who correctly determine the cause of its behavior will have good promise for a career in the sciences. :) (Likewise for the mexican jumping bean.) ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 21:00, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
Evil Doers with cat on the lap
Greetings! Is Blofeld the first (male) Evil-Doer with a cat on a lap? Is this an original "invention" by Fleming or is it based on an older story? Any story behind the story? (as dictators prefer dogs - they obey! - is this dictator-cat-thing an "over-construction" - as many situations in James Bond? Curious to know... Grey Geezer 213.169.161.199 (talk) 14:34, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Although it doesn't mention the origin, TVTropes has an interesting article about this at RightHandCat. I don't think this was an purely an invention of Fleming's however - The Corpse in the Waxworks by John Dickson Carr features a villain with a white cat, and it was published first in 1932. ennasis @ 15:09, 14 Nisan 5771 / 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- According to this site Blofeld had no cat in Fleming's novels. Seems he wasn't bald either. I don't know, if you can't trust Bond films to tell you the truth what can you trust? --Antiquary (talk) 17:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- You mean I can't construct a gun from a cigarette lighter, a cigarette case, a cuff link, and a pen? Lies!
- Indeed, several sites state the cat was a movie-only pet. :) Good find! ennasis @ 18:58, 14 Nisan 5771 / 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Great answers! Thanks a lot! We also found the (cheek-padded) Godfather who had a lap cat. But Armand-Jean du Plessis, duc de Richelieu beats all (in your article the words Catholicism, Cathedral and Catechism are mentioned but not his love for Cats.. Grey Geezer 213.169.161.199 (talk) 06:20, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Was "Cast Your Fate to the Wind" used in a Peanuts special?
I haven't succeeded in finding a source, so everything I'm saying here is original research and can't be added to the article, but here's what I know.
A few months ago, I heard what has to be Vince Guaraldi's version of "Cast Your Fate to the Wind". I noticed something then that I didn't hear today when Jeff Rollins said the Sounds Orchestral version had been played.
At the earlier time, I recognized the music that Snoopy was dancing to in one of the Peanuts specials. Specifically, Snoopy is dancing wildly as Schroeder plays the song, and the other kids stop dancing, and Schroeder stopes playing the piano. Eventually, Snoopy stops dancing and realizes everyone is staring at him, and he slinks off, embarrassed. This music is not in the Sounds Orchestral version and has Guaraldi's distinctive style.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 18:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I've only seen a few of the early Peanuts specials. This one, at about the 4:35 mark is from A Charlie Brown Christmas, which somewhat fits your description, seems like part of the riff from "Linus and Lucy". But you might be describing a later film that maybe elaborated on this idea? In the video I cited, this is the rare version in which the entire show was performed on the ceiling. Somewhere, Fred Astaire is snickering. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 18:55, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I have slow Internet at home, so I can't watch a video, but I'll look at it tomorrow. I knew people would say it was "Linus and Lucy", but I'm pretty sure the music I heard isn't there.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- In ACBC, the entire group dances to Schroeder's fast-playing of "Linus and Lucy", two or three times. Later, when Schroeder is playing and Lucy is trying in her clumsy way to get friendly with him, Schroeder starts playing a slower number and Snoopy dances to it. Schroeder stops, leaving Snoopy dancing in silence for a few seconds. Then he stops, gets red-faced, and slinks away, as close to the floor as a snake would be. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 19:23, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- Someone with a better musical ear than mine could go to about 1:55 mark of this "Linus and Lucy" youtube audio, and compare them. I think Schroeder plays the last part of that little segment, stopping just before he would resume the main tune of "Linus and Lucy". But as I said, there could be later specials where this same idea was re-used and elaborated upon. ←Baseball Bugs carrots→ 19:31, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
- I have slow Internet at home, so I can't watch a video, but I'll look at it tomorrow. I knew people would say it was "Linus and Lucy", but I'm pretty sure the music I heard isn't there.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:19, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
April 19
MyPyramid ad carpet-bombing - who pays who?
It seems like for much of the past year, every cable channel in the U.S. runs a block of ads every hour under the Ad Council umbrella. These include public service announcements about baby carseats, alcoholism, and MyPyramid. The MyPyramid ads are particularly striking to me because they have a clip from a Disney movie about Pinnochio, and a little bit of useless advice about "every food group, every day" (e.g. oils, red meat, and milk every day). Here's a basic news announcement about them, but nothing revealing.
- Now obviously the Disney clip is copyrighted, so to start with, is the ad campaign paying Disney royalties, or is Disney paying the ad campaign?
- Several government agencies are credited. How much government money is going into this campaign?
- If government money is going in, is this a quid pro quo for something? I should say that I recall when the campaign started, it seemed to me that the media news went from being harshly biased against Obama to being more neutral, but certainly I don't have a dataset to prove such. Wnt (talk) 04:53, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
Catherine Everest
Does anyone happen to know the maiden name of Catherine Everest? She is an actress and the producer of the film Innocent, and the wife of Timothy Everest. The information is needed for the Timothy Everest article. Thank you.--Jeanne Boleyn (talk) 07:15, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
NRL on TV in Singapore
Does any network in Singapore screen the National Rugby League championship. And if so, how many games are screened a week, and how many are live?
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