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Hi, and welcome to my user talk page! I really like hearing from other editors, so feel free to add your comments. I also welcome criticism, but please do your best to remain polite and try hard to assume good faith, just as you would if we were talking face to face. Comments that ignore these fundamental community standards, or comments from editors who've shown a pattern of ignoring them in the past may be deleted without reply. Also, if I left you a message on your talk page, please answer on your talk page. If you leave me a message here, I'll answer here on my talk page. This keeps a discussion in one place, so much easier to follow. Thanks! Ohiostandard (talk) 23:21, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the links of US univs

Bkpsusmitaa (talk) 07:03, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

My editor review

Thank you for your kind words at the review! I appreciate them more than I can adequately express -- PhantomSteve (Contact Me, My Contribs) 18:08, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

You're most welcome. Thanks again for your dedication to improving the encyclopedia. Ohiostandard (talk) 18:26, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Nina Assimakopoulos

Thanks for the message. Happy to help out - I cannot remember how that one ended up on my watchlist, but now that it's there it might as well stay. Nice work with the notability discussion on the talk page, very well reasoned and exactly on point. I wish there were more editors round here who took the time to do such research and explain it so well! And thanks for the offer of nominating me for an Rfa - you are not the first to ask, and I think I will probably get round to it a little later this year. The problem is dedicating the appropriate amount of time to the process, and at the moment things IRL are a little hectic! – ukexpat (talk) 14:23, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome, and thanks for your kind words. I do understand "a little hectic!" I'm nothing like so prolific as you are here, and I receive only sporadic requests for assistance from new users. But I often hear the siren call, e.g. "I'll just look into this one small thing," only to look up a few hours later and realize I've spent more time than I'd intended. But it does seem to me that BLPs merit special care, and it's certainly a pleasant way to beguile a few hours, besides. Thanks again, Ohiostandard (talk) 18:10, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Fastflow (computing)

I saw your posting at ANI, where you expressed caution about possible OUTING. Since the creator of this article is making no effort to keep his identity private here, I suggest that you go ahead and offer this matter for review, especially at WP:COIN. (User:Aldinuc admits here that he is the designer of Fastflow). My own opinion is that the article needs reliable sources to show that other people have taken notice of the technology. If no such evidence can be found, an WP:AFD may eventually be needed. The fact that the creator is editing the article on his own software may not be a fatal objection if he will cooperate in finding the needed sources. I also don't like his creating links to Fastflow in other articles, which he has done on a large scale starting May 17. Nobody has posted anything other than templated messages at User talk:Aldinuc in the last several months. The possibilities for discussion are far from exhausted. EdJohnston (talk) 16:25, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

( Please note: The posting at ANI referred to above is now here. Ohiostandard (talk) 11:03, 2 June 2010 (UTC) )

Thanks very much for your comment, EdJohnston. I see I was too hasty to mark the ANI discussion as "resolved" in just 50 minutes, after only one editor had replied. Sorry I didn't give you and other administrators a more reasonable time to comment. Thanks, too, for the link to Aldinuc's disclosure that he was a designer of what we're all calling "Fastflow", for now. I'd missed that. I certainly agree with you that this merits additonal discussion, and do intend to follow up on the matter. I've been a little slow to do that, but I promise I'll get to it soon. Best, Ohiostandard (talk) 12:54, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for your detailed reply

Thanks for your comprehensive analysis on the sentence "I didn't disagree with you." It helps me a lot. I am curious to know whether you are a mathematian:) Best.--刻意(Kèyì) 22:10, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

You are most welcome. I enjoyed the process very much, so thank you for the opportunity, and for your kind words, also. Because I like to keep a discussion on just one page, though, I have copied what you wrote, above, to your talk page. I have also replied further, there. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:16, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

HD reply

I've been helping at the help desk for going on five years, and I think your response to my post was one of the nicest I've ever seen.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 06:18, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

So I guess this means my dairy products will be okay for awhile? ;-) Thank you for taking time to post to my talk page, in addition to providing so clear and concise an explanation at the help desk. I appreciate the courtesy. I'm surprised to hear that my words of appreciation were at all unusual there. Perhaps new users assume that help desk volunteers are paid Misplaced Pages employees? Whatever the reason, it always surprises me to find that many users fail to recognize and acknowledge how much dedication and work from others their own ability to contribute actually rests on.

I often hear Wikipedians express pride about their high edit counts, the many articles they've created, & etc., and that's understandable. But I do wish it were more generally recognized that this wonderful place would necessarily implode of its own weight in the absence of so much behind-the-scenes generosity. And I wish more contributors here would follow your lead and help out in the vital infrastructure work that's required to keep things here running well. It seems to me that your own work here is exemplary in this way.

By "exemplary" I mean:

• You create compelling articles. ( I'd very much like to make the acquaintance of a few Goodfellow's Tree-kangaroos. I had no idea such a delightful animal existed. And your article about the film Anguish scared me all by itself, without even seeing the movie! )

• You help new users with an admirable patience and painstaking clarity, and

• You also work to keep the engines running smoothly behind the scenes in a score of underappreciated but crucial ways.

I've thought several times previously of saying some of this, but I hadn't interacted with you directly before, and it would have been too much of a liberty, coming from a complete stranger. But I'm very glad to have an appropriate opportunity to say so now. So thank you, again, for your extraordinary dedication to this remarkable enterprise, and for your very generous work to sustain and improve it so consistently and for so long. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:09, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome

I'm glad to help. SharedIP templates are easy to add if you install the "Friendly" gadget. I love Twinkle, Friendly and refTools, they really make life here a lot easier. Burpelson AFB (talk) 03:27, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

My Confirmed Status???

I see you stopped my confirmed status due to my actions, but the problems on the other case has been solved so what of my rights??? (BlackImperial (talk) 03:16, 2 September 2010 (UTC))

Oh, sorry about that. ( Explosion of lightning and deafening clap of thunder, here. ) You're now confirmed. Is that better? ;-)  – OhioStandard (talk) 03:32, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

You might also like to read Fastily's comment about your request on WP:Requests for permissions, the part where he says, "You are autoconfirmed." If you don't know what that means, enter the text wp:autoconfirmed into the search box you'd use to search for an article. The "wp" prefix tells the search function to search not in mainspace, where all our articles are stored, but to search in the space where all the rules and resources and policies and pages meant for editors are stored. Try it with other words or terms you don't understand, too, e.g. try wp:indent, or wp:agf, or wp:watchlist, or wp:reliable, and see what happens. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 03:45, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

I guess I drew the wrong admin

Reported our friend(s) here. Each was blocked for two weeks, again.

"I went to the police, like a good American. These two boys were brought to trial. The judge sentenced them to three years in prison -- suspended sentence. Suspended sentence! They went free that very day! I stood in the courtroom like a fool. And those two bastard, they smiled at me. Then I said to my wife, "for justice, we must go to Don Corleone.""

Maybe next time. --CliffC (talk) 20:14, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes; I'll never understand why WP is so soft on vandalism. How many times would a person be allowed to go into a library and vandalize the books before he was banned? Yet users here get ten, twenty, thirty chances to reform. I could understand it if these IP addresses were dynamic, but they're obviously static, have obviously been assigned to the same person for something like three years. Another user suggested some time ago that we consider contacting a public liason officer or some such in the vicinity ... I know it would require great care to do that correctly ( eg under wp:abuse ), but I'm beginning to think that might be the only way to end this clown's very long vandalism spree. Thanks for the quotation, though; it makes me feel better. :-) And thanks very much for making the report, too. I suppose we'll be back in touch on this in two weeks. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 08:06, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

I suggest filing a WP:SPI. You could resubmit all your data there. There is a chance of a longer block (up to six months, I think) if you could include enough diffs to show that the IPs are static and that abuse has been continuing for a long time. You can't expect any deep analysis when you submit at AIV. EdJohnston (talk) 17:40, 11 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, EdJohnston, and thanks for looking in from time to time, as well; I appreciate it. Each reporting page has its own "character", I find, but I hadn't been aware of this difference; it's good to know of it. Can we still file an SPI at this point? At least three admins were aware of the IP using one of his addresses to evade a block ( see ANI report here and admin talk page here). I was probably at blame for being too verbose in that first one; I tried to do too much with the ANI report, and that made it harder to follow than was strictly necessary. But I'm concerned that since it's already been through ANI once recently, that people might get annoyed with a new report, at SPI. Also, although this person did use his IP to evade a block (and was sanctioned for that at ANI), I don't think he's really trying to conceal the connection between 138.162.8.57 and 138.162.8.58 in his most recent offenses. Comments? Thanks again,  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:41, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Nobody will complain about an SPI filing; it helps keep the records straight. In your submission you could note that you are asking for a longer block than the ones previously given, based on the more complete story you are providing. You can notify the previous blocking admin if you wish. It seems that you possess more background knowledge of the issue than you gave at ANI, and the SPI report would allow room to present that. EdJohnston (talk) 16:38, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

Learning HTML

This site is probably the best out there. Dismas| 10:24, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

Wow, what a great resource! I've been looking for something like this for a good long while. Very generous of you to follow up with this; thanks so much. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 10:32, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

My pleasure. Enjoy! Dismas| 10:59, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

You know, just for my own reference, because I like one of its "quick-lookup" pages, I'm going to remind myself about this site, here too, and link to the help desk thread in which Dismas answered a question I'd posted that ended up being about an html tag, as well. Thanks again, Dismas; I sincerely appreciate your generosity, both here and at the help desk. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:48, 27 September 2010 (UTC)

About your comment at ANI...

can I order the CliffNotes version please? :P Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:57, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. I know it's bad form to be so verbose. But that was the CliffNotes version. :P  – OhioStandard (talk) 15:16, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Insufferable

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For your comments at ANI, well said and good on you for keeping the larger picture in view. --Nuujinn (talk) 23:49, 10 October 2010 (UTC)

Seconded. Well said, and well done. Tony Fox (arf!) 03:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Thoroughly well grounded comments, and they cheered me no end. Your humanity and sensitivity are inspiring. Best. Haploidavey (talk) 12:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Will you look at that! You stay away a few days, and just look at the kinds of things people say behind your back! ;-) Nuujinn, Tony Fox, Haploidavey, and ClovisPt, Jimmy, and TheDJ from ANI, too: I'm very grateful for your generous comments, grateful, and humbled by them, too. One of the things I like most about contributing to Misplaced Pages is that I'm often struck by a clear sense of being in the presence something like greatness here.

Thank you all for bringing your experience, your careful scholarship, your wit, your good will, your integrity and dedication, and your willingness to freely share all that with the world, here, to make that possible. And thanks, especially, to you, Nuujinn, for the barnstar! It's meaningless in itself, of course, just a pleasant graphic, but my knowledge of the extremely high and painstaking standards that you exhibit in all your contributions here makes it very meaningful to me, indeed. Best thanks, all.  – OhioStandard (talk) 03:00, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

Communist terrorism

I noticed that you recently voted against renaming the Communist terrorism article. Could you please provide a source that defines/explains what communist terrorism is. TFD (talk) 00:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, TFD. Thanks for asking; it's a compelling question from my perspective, and I'll be very pleased to discuss it with you: I've been impressed with your contributions that I've seen across multiple articles, and would be pleased to hear more of what you think on the topic, as well. I'm afraid I have to be offline for several hours, however, but I did want to just give this quick reply, for now, to acknowledge your query. More to follow as soon as possible. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 01:36, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

No, I can't provide a source for a definition, or explain what the phrase might mean. "Communist terrorism" as an article title is far too broad, imo, but "Leftist terrorism" seems even worse to me. Both seem to me to be made-up phrases, and too broad/vague to be of any real use. We might just as well have articles named "Rightist torture" or "Leftist assassination". I'd support the deletion of any article so broadly named that came up at AfD. Just to mention a single and relatively minor objection among many, when I think of "communism" what comes to mind first for me are examples that predate Marx and Engels by centuries. The rules pertaining to the establishment of "compagnie" (various spellings) during the Middle Ages come to mind, as does the practice of the early Christian church as reported in the Acts of the Apostles, 2:44 and following verses, “All who believed were together, and had all things in common; they would sell their possessions and goods and distribute the proceeds to all, as any had need.” An even more homely example: Most married couples in the West practice communism in the sense of "From each according to his means, to each according to his needs," and usually in their common ownership of assets, as well.

But if an editor wants to make the case that any prominent figure in the 19th-century political and economic theory that appropriated the word "communism" was a supporter of terrorism then let him do so at the biographical article for that figure. Or if people want to write about the horrors perpetrated by individual national dictators who claimed to be inspired by Marx's and Engels' ideas then let them do so in articles specifically devoted to those particular dictators; such additions would be specific enough to improve the encyclopedia. I'm not really familiar enough with the lives and writings of Marx and Engels to render any definitive opinion about whether they might have supported terrorism, although I'm very inclined to doubt that based on the little I've read. But I do know that merely claiming inspiration from a particular authority doesn't make it so, and that self-professed followers of a cause don't always exemplify its founder's beliefs. If everyone who claimed to adhere to a particular creed did in fact accurately exemplify its founder's principles, we'd be logically compelled to rename our article on, say, The Inquisition, to something like "Christian terrorism", a title that would, of course, just be ridiculous.  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:51, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I did not watch your page and missed your comments. Many thanks for replying. Writers on terrorism use typologies for different types of terrorism, including left-wing terrorism. Christian terrorism is seen as a subtype of religious terrorism. I do not know why they would use the term left-wing rather than communist but my guess is that most of these groups were not connected with Communist Parties and their ideologies might be difficult to categorize. Some of them are not very clear thinkers anyway. The term "Communist terrorism" however is not used in any consistent way. Mostly it was used by Western governments to describe insurgencies during the 1950s and 1960s, particularly for the Malayan Emergency. Otherwise the term is used sporadically.

The article was created by User:Mamalujo, who cut and pasted sections on various groups and wrote an unsourced lead. Over the years no one has been able to produce a reliable source that provides a definition.

TFD (talk) 17:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

No worries, thanks for your reply. Half the problem I have is with the word "terrorism". It's no longer a useful word, imo: it has come to be used so broadly that that in most people's minds now I think a "terrorist" means "anyone who fights against my side and who doesn't wear a uniform." Roughly the same usage reliable sources give to the word, "insurgent", I think.  – OhioStandard (talk) 17:19, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Christine O'Donnell

I appreciate your feedback concerning the Christine O'Donnell article, but I'm a bit confused about your definition of overlinking. As far as I am aware, notable people such as George H.W. Bush and concepts important to the article (such as O'Donnell's Irish heritage and evangelical faith) need to be linked. Therefore, I linked them. Am I missing something? Treybien (talk) 12:27 21 October 2010 (UTC)

I've replied on this page. Would you mind posting your reply there, also? Thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 06:11, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Pamela Geller

Hi Ohio. Thanks for helping to resolve the issues at the Pamela Geller article. I think we only need to work out one more thing, which is if and how to mention the Second Temple. I raised a couple questions in the discussion; would you mind responding over there? Also, I know you have some concerns about the links; I haven't addressed them yet because I expect the questionable link won't be needed in the version that we are moving toward. If that link is an issue, I'll certainly address your concerns. Thanks. guanxi (talk) 14:30, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ohio - I want to take your concerns into account and I appreciate your heroic attempt to compromise with Epeefleche, but I'm not seeing where you are headed. If you succeed in compromise with E., it will be only you and Epeefleche who agree, with almost all others wanting to remove the quote and go with option C (I prefer A, but I get to compromise too). Then what? It seems like we'd still be at the same consensus for C, though it would be a little weaker.

Perhaps being later to the discussion, you're not aware of the history: Epeefleche reverted several times and tendentiously edited the quote into the article in the middle of the discussion; only Epeefleche claims that WP:SYN applies, and many others, including an Admin's outside opinion, think E. is being uncooperative and disingenuous. I tried several times to compromise with E. already, and he/she ignored my attempts. guanxi (talk) 03:27, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

I understand your concerns, but I prefer to keep the discussion on the article talk page. Thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:03, 28 October 2010 (UTC)

Heim theory and Terra Novus at ANI

Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Mathsci (talk) 07:04, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks; I was actually in the process of looking at the diffs and talk page and refs for Heim Theory when the "new message" bar showed up for this notification. Not quite sure yet, more info to review, but will probably comment at ANI. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:08, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Hello again. Dougweller has opened a new thread on WP:ANI about this following the return of Terra Novus after his one week block. Mathsci (talk) 13:17, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Medical cannabis

Hi OhioStandard! I was too slow. ;-) Just wanted to revert according to WP:ELNO #13, but #5 fits as well. Alfie↑↓© 13:10, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Alfie! It's good to hear from you, thanks! I've been avoiding the work of revising the MedCan article, as you know. I keep thinking about it, especially about categorizing claimed benefits according to how well-supported they are (or aren't!) by the science. My life has been very hectic the past many months, but things should settle down in December and subsequently; time for some real work, soon, I think, including revisiting the information you so generously provided in the thread that began as a discussion about the affect of cannabis on hippocampal acetylcholine. Of course, if I delay attending to the article much longer there might not be anything left; I see SandyGeorgia has been busily deleting cites after her earlier wholesale "medrs" tagging. I think a better approach would be to use those refs to place a particular claim in the appropriate category, myself. ( End of rant ;-)

I hope you're well; I miss our exchanges, if you'll excuse me for speaking so personally. I'm afraid I was a disappointing interlocuter since I didn't allocate time to learn enough about our topic, didn't undertake any degree of study commensurate with the richness and complexity of our discussion. As some very small compensation, for now, this thread may amuse or interest you. I presented quite a jumble of pseudoscientific conjecture in my final post, sheer speculation, and not very carefully done at all, but such things interest me greatly. I think we're all much more influenced by the hunter-gatherer phase of our species' development than is generally recognized. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 14:07, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi OhioStandard! I'm still watching the MedCan article, but must confess that I just try to revert plain vandalism. Since a while I'm using WP:Huggle to work on RC. You wouldn't believe the amount of nonsense showing up (roughly one IP edit every two seconds). I miss our exchanges as well – have been the best I had in WP by far! THX for your personal report; was quite amusing. From my personal experience I would support your speculations. Your friend should start with Beethoven's symphonies and continue with Gustav Mahler's – a lot of parallel levels to discover. ;-) Alfie↑↓© 17:50, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Greetings

Hey, OhioStandard, I did not see a button to push to leave a new message, so I hope this is okay. I wanted to thank you for not assuming I was girl, because of my user page. I think, maybe if you had a more sterotypical mind, you might assume I was a dude, so thanks for being openminded. That shows tolerance, and I think that is tres cool. Which means very cool in French. :) (Alos, I apologize if I messed up this "mail" section.AdbMonkey (talk) 19:37, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Mais bien sur! Tres domestique! Which means, more or less, "What a pleasant message!" Thanks, and no worries re the formatting; I should probably add a "send me a message" button. Somwhere on the page when you're viewing a talk page you should find a "new section" button or tab that's "clickable", that'd be the one you want. ( I can't tell you exactly where to look, because I'm using a non-standard user interface, and I've forgotten now, what the default one looks like. ) Alternatively, you can always click "edit" on the final message on the page, as I presume you did, here, and then begin your section with == New message == or whatever section title you want for your addition. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 05:39, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

for your opinion

		Your Opinion is More Important than You Think Barnstar
		For your impeccable analysis at ANI of another editors actions and probable motives. I think it puts the actions in perspective nicely The Resident Anthropologist (talk) 22:32, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Thank you, RA; I appreciate this, very much. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 02:09, 11 November 2010 (UTC)

Seasonal Greeting

--Nuujinn (talk) is wishing you Seasons Greetings! Whether you celebrate your hemisphere's Solstice or Xmas, Eid, Diwali, Hogmanay, Hanukkah, Lenaia, Festivus or even the Saturnalia, this is a special time of year for almost everyone!

Spread the holiday cheer by adding {{subst:User:WereSpielChequers/Dec10/Balloon}} to your friends' talk pages.

How very kind, Nuujinn! Thanks for thinking of me! I'm afraid real-life responsibilities have kept me away for some time, but I look forward to things calming down that way in the next couple of months, and hope to have the pleasure of working with you again in the coming year. My very best wishes to you for 2011. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 07:19, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Fut.Perf.

Thanks for your very considerate response OhioStandard. Misplaced Pages needs more such admins like you. Good Luck and God Bless. Boolyme 08:13, 29 January 2011 (UTC)

		The Socratic Barnstar
		I am constantly impressed by the scholarly nature of your arguments. Here's to you! NickCT (talk) 20:57, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

		The Royalty and Nobility Barnstar
		The article hasn't been changed since your last edit. Thanks -- 06:17, 20 February 2011 (UTC) 69.22.179.83 (talk)

		The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
		Thanks for encouraging me to stick to my promises in my work on Misplaced Pages.   Novus  Orator  05:03, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

OMG I AM HAULING YOU TO AN/I RIGHT NOW PREPARE TO BE BANNED, SUCKA

p.s. lol jk :P l'aquatique 18:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I look forward to it extremely, l'aquatique! Thanks for your comment; it makes me glad to know that my admittedly warped sense of humor finds at least some kindred folk throughout the world. Lord knows it finds little-enough appreciation at home! "A prophet in his own country", and all that, I suppose. ;-) I wonder, though: Are we obliged to inform Sarek of this thread? Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 18:32, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Lacking emotion, I am sure he would not appreciate its nuances! Anyway, my intention was mostly to remind you that even though there are a lot of people who take themselves way too seriously, I'd have something to say to someone who really thought it'd be appropriate to make a fuss about a little joke. I can block you if you really want me to, though. l'aquatique 18:38, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure you're right, re Sarek, and I appreciate the reminder and the support, too, very much. I never really grooved to the whole S&M thing, though, so I think I'll have to pass on the block. But it was really nice of you to offer! Thanks!  – OhioStandard (talk) 18:53, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

		The Help Award
		In tremendous appreciation for your helpfulness on my talk page, in working on User:Tomaca's question. I am very grateful for your kindness to her and to me. --Moonriddengirl 14:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

So, I'm on my way back from a somewhat stressful (and expensive! :P) vet visit thinking about her and what I might say or do to help out (I have asked for eyes of a few people at Google chat, but nobody has had time and I haven't wanted to ask at COI, which sometimes seems to predispose people to negativity), and I get in to find you courteously and informatively addressing her. Truly, that's fabulous. Thanks so much for helping out. :) I'll reply at my talk page, too, but your assistance was so heartening to me that I just had to come over here and say so, in pictoral fashion. :D --Moonriddengirl 14:52, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

(P.S. I'd avoid looking at this lady too closely, because she's a bit scary. :/ --Moonriddengirl 14:53, 2 March 2011 (UTC))

Wow, thanks for this! There's not an editor on Misplaced Pages whose approbation I could value more than I do yours; I'm very grateful. And you're welcome, of course, for the offer to try to help the user. I'm actually very greatly impressed that you were willing to do so yourself when you already have so very much on your plate related to copyright matters.

May I also just say that I hope your pet will be alright? I don't have one myself right now ( although my girlfriend's cat clearly regards my lap as her own private furniture ) but I've been nearly as attached to some pets as I have to people, and I know how it feels when one is unwell.

You really shouldn't have told me that the nurse was scary, though. Of course that just prompted me to view the image at full 3,582 × 4,797 resolution. She's either an evil zombie vampire nurse, or she just had her brains sucked out by a ghoul. If it's not one or the other, then I suppose the only other explanation is that she spent too much time trying to improve articles on climate change or politics. Thanks again for this thoughtful notice, very much. Best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 16:30, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Richard A. Falk

Thanks for catching my slip-up at Richard A. Falk and sorry for briefly messing up the lead. I guess the lesson is not to edit articles while watching basketball games on TV.—Biosketch (talk) 20:27, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

No worries at all, but good of you to say so; thanks. I'd bet that a very high percentage of us multitask for one-off edits of that sort. Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 20:42, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

A couple of good "tall guy" motorcycles.

The 70's era Norton Commando can be dialed in to fit someone 6'8" and the Ducati sport-classics can be fitted out with "rear sets" and taller shocks to accommodate a taller rider. (I asked around this week) I still think the BMW is the best bet. Cheers- V7-sport (talk) 03:54, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

I take your suggestions very kindly, V7 thank you! I'll certainly investigate these possibilities. I have yet to sit on the BMW, but I'm pretty favorably disposed in its direction, too. Thanks very much for passing along this additional information; I appreciate your generosity in doing so very much indeed. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:27, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Murder of Koby Mandell and Yosef Ishran

Hi, I wish I could work with you on removing the misleading conclusions, but an editor keeps complaining to admins that I edit the article out of spite or something. Anyways I hope you keep with it and take your points to WP:NPOVN where you will hopefully get a non-biased opinion and I also suggest a tag is added as the dubious claims being made in the lead are very serious. Passionless -Talk 23:40, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

As you know from the analysis of the sources cited that I presented on the article's talk page, I share your concerns. I haven't given up on it, though; I've been spending considerable time examining the sources further, actually. I'll probably edit it again, based on that. I appreciate your suggestion re the NPOVN, but I frankly don't see that board as a very useful resource. Maybe its traffic is too low, but posts seem to languish there for long periods with no uninvolved editors expressing an opinion. Nor do I see much good in tagging the article at this point. It certainly presents a very "selective" view of the facts, to put it gently, but just tagging it without putting in the considerable effort that would be needed to address the article's problems comprehensively would just stir up trouble, in my opinion, without any productive outcome likely to result.  – OhioStandard (talk) 00:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Truscott

Carl Truscott: I think if the disruption continues on Truscott you might have to request semi protection, its probably the same person , someone with a grudge, this is a clear WP:COI - this IP from User_talk:12.33.141.36 is from http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us and the other single issue account is prolly them at home Contributions/173.52.113.72 - Off2riorob (talk) 22:08, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Rob! Thanks for reverting that; I was in the process of composing a novel to the New Jersey IP on his talk page when you reverted, and had also intended to revert when I saw that you'd beat me to it. I've thought of semi-protection, too, of course, but haven't requested it for a couple of reasons. Probably the most important one is that I have reason to believe that someone closely associated with the subject has been editing as an IP and via various sequential socks for a long while.

As you know, we normally discourage people from that kind of COI editing, but I'd like to avoid shutting the article to IPs for his sake, in this case, since I think we'll need his active participation if we're ever to reach a stable version. I'll probably suggest to the IP I'm thinking of that he create a new account under which to disclose what I assume might be his COI at some point, since he's expressed an interest in having the article deleted, if possible, and it's my understanding that doing so would reinforce his case. But I need to take the time to carefully present his possible options to him for proceeding with that.

I don't think the article should be deleted, btw. But I do strongly support his right to seek that, and I think it's only fair that I should help him learn as much as he can re his possible options that way, since he does seem to be pretty inexperienced in navigating our somewhat intimidating labyrinth of rules here. If he asks, and wants to proceed that way, I'd probably even be willing to help him write the AfD proposal text, unless he wants to try contacting the Foundation, first.

Also, with so many IPs having been involved re this article for so long, I'd like to allow their involvement as "full" participants in the talk page discussion we need to restart over this; I'd prefer that no one feel like a second-class participant in that discussion, if possible. And while I know it's a nuisance to have to keep reverting "scrubbing" and "damning" edits, there seem to be enough "eyes on" now to make that happen pretty quickly. If you haven't, already, you might like to look at my mea culpa on the New Jersey IP's talk page. I hope you're well, and see you soon on the Truscott talk page. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:41, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Quick addition: It's of course possible that our New Jersey friend has some COI, and that occurred to me too, but I don't see that there's a necessary correlation between a former DOJ (Federal Government) official and someone who apparently works for the NJ judiciary. Or have I possibly forgotten some connection Truscott had to the State of New Jersey's court system?  – OhioStandard (talk) 22:48, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Seems like an open and shut case to me, He began his law enforcement career in 1980 as an Investigator for the New Jersey Department of Law and Public Safety - report against him is from http://www.justice.gov/oig/special/s0610/final.pdf and the ip is from - http://www.judiciary.state.nj.us/ Its clearly not a simple passer-by, but I have no problem at all with them joining in and discussing the issue, the more the merrier. I have found that often in a case like this where a BLP is attacked repeatedly that it is often a single person with a opinionated grudge against the subject for one reason or another. Off2riorob (talk) 11:36, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Thanks; I'd forgotten that. Wow, though; from 20 - 30 years ago!? If you're right about the connection and motive then that might be one for the record books.  – OhioStandard (talk) 11:44, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

DraceyFreeman

Dracey_Freeman - thoughts? - Off2riorob (talk) 11:57, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Oh, I really wish I'd seen that myself, for several reasons. I know, of course, and that your query here is perfectly in order (and I am indeed grateful to be asked my opinion) but I have to respond that I probably shouldn't contribute to the thread. I came across what looks like a pretty egregious example of canvassing today that I'll probably have to report in the next day or two. I'd prefer not to complicate that by allowing anyone even the most ridiculous of grounds to suggest that I'd done anything even remotely similar myself. I hope you'll understand this has nothing to do with you, and that you won't take offence at all; there's not the least personal imputation intended, of course. I don't at all mind saying, though, that I think you'd do well to post an immediate request for help on this one at AN or AN/I. Cordially, and with best regards,  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:51, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Its not really an issue for AN/I, asking for an opinion is not what WP:Canvassing is about, but its been prodded and I have doubts it will last a full seven days, no worries, regards. Off2riorob (talk) 12:56, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I didn't suggest AN or AN/I with the idea of penalizing anyone. I did so because that would be a way to quickly get the attention of someone who can delete the article immediately, instead of having to wait for a PROD to run its course. Given that the article could influence opinion re an ongoing trial, I'd even say it wouldn't be much of a stretch to e-mail oversight to get the immediate results that seem called for in this case.  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Its been raised to a speedy WP:A7 now which is what I was thinking, lets see it an admin accepts that and get rid of it. Regards. Off2riorob (talk) 13:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

You are very welcome!

Thanks for the nice note. It is no problem to discuss such cases. I find RSN an good discussion forum in order to get my own brain around cases like this, which inevitably come up for all editors.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 12:07, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Adding my thanks for your kind note on my Talk page. TimidGuy (talk) 10:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

My pleasure: I appreciate the work you've both done at RSN, very much. It takes patience with POV-driven editors, and a willingness to really sift through a considerable volume of material to contribute well there, and you both do that admirably. I'm grateful for that; thanks again! Cheers,  – OhioStandard (talk) 12:13, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

There's a place

to report an user you have problems with. An article's talk page is a wrong venue. Please stop discussing me there.--Mbz1 (talk) 21:40, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I've talked with an admin about this, I'm soon going to take care of this situation at AE under WP:ARBPIA, alright Ohiostandard? Passionless -Talk 21:53, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, Passionless. I have very limited experience in dealing with an editor who's this agressive. I see she's deleted the relevant talk page section a second time now, with the edit summary "wrong venue". She's almost insisting this has to be escalated: I can't understand why anyone would want to drag others into a round of drama over these insults, rather than simply saying, "Yeah, I got mad. Sorry," which I wouldn't consider a big deal.

But just deleting the talk-page section repeatedly implies to me that she plans to continue this kind of behavior. Anyway, I'm not going to restore the section a second time because I think this is getting pretty ridiculous and I don't want to fan the flames if I can help it. I'd much prefer to keep the drama to a minimum, but we really can't have editors - especially in so contentious an area - who feel free to characterize others as ... well, I'll reproduce the section she deleted (twice) below; it pretty much speaks for itself:

Please conform to normal talk page courtesy

I've previously asked Mbz1 to conform to the usual norms of posting to talk pages with respect to indentation, placement of posts, etc. In particular, I've objected to her habit of positioning her talk-page contributions above previously-posted replies when both her comment and the previously-posted reply are responding to the same message. Doing so disrupts the temporal continuity of the thread, entirely unnecessarily, and gives her reply an unwarranted prominence relative to other, previously-posted replies. When I corrected yet another recent example of her doing this, with an edit-summary pointer to an explanation of the normal courtesy used in this regard she ignored that, and reinstated her top-post, above my own reply. This time, instead of moving her reply, I've merely restored my own to its original place in the temporal sequence, and I would ask her not to interfere with that again. I would also ask her (again) to take notice of wp:indent, which says, among other points of order, "If two replies are made to one specific comment, they should be at the same level of indentation with the later reply at the bottom." I am aware that this is an essay, but I don't appreciate her repeatedly placing her replies to a given post above my own, when mine were made first. In an already controversial setting, I consider her ongoing insistence on doing so combatative and disruptive, and I'd appreciate it if she'd stop.  – OhioStandard (talk) 20:16, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

A few moments ago Mbz1 deleted this section you're now reading suggesting "other venues" would be more appropriate. I'd prefer not to escalate this to AN/I, which would be my only alternative since after I made this post objecting to her manner of addressing others here, she asked me not to post to her talk page (scroll to end of diff). Article talk pages are indeed for improving articles, but in this circumstance they're also an appropriate place to address comments and behavior that create a battlefield environment. As you can see, I've now restored this section.  – OhioStandard (talk) 21:00, 3 April 2011 (UTC) emphasis added

I see that besides her earlier mis-representation of one person's edit as "vandalism" and her comment about Roscelese saying that she "clearly has not a slightest idea what she was doing," Mbz1 has now characterized me as "cruel and stupid". This kind of behavior is really very charming ... and helpful.  – OhioStandard (talk) 21:32, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

The above is, of course, from the talk page (permalink) for the Koby Mandell and Josef Ishran murder article. In addition to deleting this section two times, she's also twice removed the POV tag placed on the article by two different editors, and twice characterized an editor's good-faith actions as "vandalism", first in an edit summary and then again in an edit summary and corresponding talk page post. As I said, I'd like to avoid drama over this, but I haven't seen that WQA is effective for situations like this one, either, so whatever assistance you or any admin could provide would be welcome. Thanks very much,  – OhioStandard (talk) 23:34, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

I hope no one thinks this is canvassing as you are deeply, currently, involved, but I have now posted an AE about Mbz1. Passionless -Talk 00:13, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

No, of course it's not canvassing; I expected you'd let me know of any subsequent actions concerning this, and you're right to do so. I'd actually been considering opening an AN/I thread about Mbz1's misuse of sources. I'm not sure if I'll post that (or anything else) to the ArbCom thread you've now started, but I did notice that you'd commented there about Mbz1 having made a racist comment.

That's a very ugly word, but Roscelese isn't alone in having found it necessary to apply it to one of her comments. I suggest you look at this successful AfD for her "Blame Israel first" article. If you search that page for "17:45, 31 January 2011", and read the subsequent comments, you'll see that four editors (including myself) felt that her very harsh and ethnically-motivated attack on a reliable-source journalist merely because of his nationality merited that characterization.

She demanded that I retract the word, here on my talk page. I carefully considered the request, and then tried very gently to explain why I couldn't honor it. I'd really hoped she'd continue the discussion with me, and that we could come to some amicable resolution, but she refused to do that. You might find that AfD, and especially the subsequent discussion here ( livelink & permalink) to be relevant to your post at ArbCom. For example, despite her explicit protests to the contrary here, I remain wholly unconvinced that she'd consider a similarly accusational dismissal of comments made by a Jewish journalist as anything other than racist.  – OhioStandard (talk) 01:38, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for what you said about the comment directed at me. :) Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 02:57, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

You're referring to my objection to Mbz1's insulting remark about you, I suppose? You're welcome. I'm really sorry you were subjected to such unpleasantness: It makes it much less fun to try to help things along here when people make remarks like that. But good on you for not responding in kind.  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:09, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

See Wikiquette alerts

Notification. Collect (talk) 18:49, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

The foregoing applies to a thread at Wikiquette alerts begun by Collect after I made this post to the talk page of our article on an advocacy web site that represents itself as a medical journal, and objected to his behavior in a thread I began at AN/I when admin Rklawton claimed I'd undertaken a sneaky, dirty, rotten, low-life, disruptive trick at an article they both watch over. I haven't decided whether I'll respond at WQA or not, but I'd welcome the participation of any neutral editor who'd be willing to carefully examine the claims made in either venue, and would be happy to listen to whatever criticism any such editor might have to offer. Thanks,  – OhioStandard (talk) 01:36, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Update: I've now added my own response to the allegations that were made in that report.  – OhioStandard (talk) 08:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Remember your audience

Hi, long time no talk. I saw your ANI report regarding Rklawton et al. and I thought you might be interested in a pattern I noticed. You have a tendency to write extremely long comments on ANI which works against you. In the future, you may want to simply start with a very brief executive summary linked to a longer report in your user space. Combine this with using user talk pages to respond to points in depth and you will find yourself making more efficient use of the noticeboards. I say this because I personally think you make good points and helpful comments, but they are getting lost in your verbose explication. As an expositor, you may benefit by changing your approach depending on your target audience. Viriditas (talk) 02:40, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Hi, Viriditas; yes, too long: I'm glad to hear from you. You're perfectly right, of course, both about the audience and about the length. I can write a pretty fair 3,000 word essay in a few hours, but cutting that down to 800 or so takes me many times as long. I was supposed to be pretty ADD when I was a kid; so maybe there are just too many salient ideas competing for attention in the old noggin. ;-) Anyway, I think I'm done for a while, although I'll probably post a closing comment to the AN/I thread. Thanks very much for your thoughts, and glad we sorted that whole debacle from earlier on, too. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 04:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Fuhgeddaboudit. So how is medical cannabis looking these days? I think the layout and sourcing in the "Clinical applications" and "National and international regulations" sections needs work. I also think the regulations section takes up way too much room and should be condensed down into several paragraphs and split out. Viriditas (talk) 10:43, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Wow, I can't believe I didn't reply to this previously. Too distracted with the more-or-less obligatory replies at AN/I and WQA ( the first now archived, praise be ) - a huge waste of time, I felt, but necessary. Sorry to have been so slow, because I especially meant to thank you for what I guessed to have been your motive with your very timely and welcome kinda-invite, above. I really appreciate that; thank you. Re the literal questions themselves, that article has been a pebble in my shoe for a long while. Not that I consider it any sort of definitive consensus, but Alfie and I had previously agreed to use the sort of Hierarchy of Therapeutic Effects ranking scheme presented by Grotenhermen & Russo in 2002, to deal with the "Clinical applications" section.

Introducing such a structure into the article, and populating it according to consensus would take a lot of work, though, which is probably why it hasn't been done yet. I agree entirely with splitting out regulations to a separate article. I'm behind in the commitments I've already made here, though, so I'm going to have let that particular pebble stay in place for a while longer. Sorry, though; I think if we could all find the time that you, Alfie, and I could probably put it into decent order. You might get a kick out of looking at Alfie trying to tutor me in his area of expertise, btw. My initial goal had been to be able to determine when a research study has used a reasonable versus an unreasonable "dose" or "stimulus amount" of cannabinoids to obtain the dependent–variable results it reports. A much harder problem than it sounds, but a very pleasantly educational one, too.  – OhioStandard (talk) 09:42, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks

Thank you for providing that review. While I disagree with you, I accept that you found I was wrong, so I'd like to try to solve my issues. Would you mind reviewing my comments, and my comments alone from this point onwards, and dropping me a line if you find I have crossed the line? Thanks.

Further, and not especially relevantly, you misunderstood my statement about resignation - I had previously resigned from Misplaced Pages, not that I was resigning on a go-forward basis. Best wishes. Hipocrite (talk) 21:14, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Very good of you to respond in this way, Hipocrite; I know how very difficult it is to hear criticism of one's actions without responding badly, and you've managed that in this case. I've struck out the few words I wrote in commenting about your resignation, in response to your comment here, and have explained about that in a subsequent post to the page. ( This current thread, here on my talk page, refers to the comments I posted at WQA in a thread (permalink) initiated there by Hipocrite, btw.) I can't promise to assiduously review your comments on the talk page for the relevant article, but I will try to remember to look in from time to time, and will be glad to comment if I see any parties slipping into incivility or other unproductive behavior there. Best,  – OhioStandard (talk) 21:52, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

I would appreciate your review of Talk:Murder_of_Meredith_Kercher#Primary_sourced_description_of_trial. Thanks. Hipocrite (talk) 17:56, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

I've had a look, and will comment briefly on the talk page. But please note that I have no ongoing interest in this article, and don't intend to become involved in its development. My interest at WQA was limited to the civility issues that were raised, and to whether the WQA filing itself was appropriate.  – OhioStandard (talk) 03:26, 21 April 2011 (UTC)