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"Do it yourself" fixes
I was just curious if there should be anything about the home fixes for the RRoD? I don't mean a step-by-step process (to avoid breaking the rule), but perhaps some mention of their existence, or successes of the procedures out there. I'm not overly educated on the subject (I know there is a "towel trick", among others), but I was sort of surprised that they weren't mentioned at all. I know they aren't officially condoned procedures but for completeness' sake, does anyone else think they should be mentioned? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.42.184.161 (talk) 22:38, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
- No, wikipedia policies explicitly forbids it (both how-to's and publishing links to commercial sites, which by the way are often blacklisted here). Also the "towel procedure" simply overheats your xbox, and probably will do more damage to your system than there already is, and will also void the warranty. Other published "quick fixes" are IMHO also explicitly dodgy, there is no reliable and simple fix for an xbox that has internal broken solder joints. A professional repair shop needs equipment costing thousands of dollars, and specialist to re-solder the kinds of chips inside an xbox, and even if they do it the result is not guaranteed. Web sites promising a "quick fix" are like "get rich quick schemes", cashing in on the desperate. If the "fix" works at all its probably only temporarily, as they normally do not really repair the unit. Just my opinion. Mahjongg (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
A or An
In the picture at the top, in the AV cable error, shouldn't it display "a HDMI" instead of "an HDMI". H is not a vowel `Anish9807 (talk) 15:38, 1 January 2011 (UTC)
- No. "An" precedes any word that begins with a vowel sound, not any word that begins with a vowel. Varus2319 (talk) 23:19, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
"Open Tray" error
I don't see any mention of one of the 360's more common problem, the so-called "Open Tray" error in which the console refuses to read even brand new discs. I have some sources and I'd be happy to add them, but I thought I'd ask if this error had already been caught up in wiki-litigation some time during the past before wasting my time.--ABigBlackMan (talk) 14:48, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
Added Red Ring of Death Warning.
An Xbox can experience different rings and the Xbox can be bricked. On March 20th,2009, a Xbox Live user named "da atombomb" experienced 2 Red Rings, usually to be believed that it was a slight overheating problem. But he later proved that it was indeed a fatal error.
I added that because, I am da atombomb, and I thought I should make it partially clear that just because you do not get the 3 red rings, doesnt mean your Xbox is totally f***ed. Please ask, why shouldnt I not post this. I do have a reference (My Xbox Forums topic).
-da atombomb 97.103.58.2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.103.58.2 (talk) 00:01, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
- this two red rings you're talking about is a system warning that your console is over heating. I talked to a xbox support person about it and they told me that if I don't turn it off immediatly after the 2 red rings and it turns to 3 red rings then my warranty is void. I never read this in the manual. It seems very shady business practice for them to void a warranty because you were suppose to know something they didn't tell you. I have a jasper unit if that is helpful. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.237.93.109 (talk) 06:35, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I am a single mum of two boys and I bought an Xbox 360 in 2006 for my little boy as an X-mas present. Last week when I saw the three red rings I was DEVASTATED! Firstly I couldn't afford to fix it, nor could I afford to buy another one. so i bought this manual as a last hope, and I stayed up late after my two little boys had fallen asleep, and VIOLA!!! It's fixed! It absolutely was worth it and here it is<a href=http://fixred-ringxbox.blogspot.com> Xbox Repair Red Rings</a> —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.132.248.85 (talk) 19:19, 9 August 2010 (UTC)
Is it me or this article is too "Microsoftey"?
I must say first that i'm not an X-Box player or anything, but it has come to my attention that this article insists far too much on the X-Box guarantee and how opening it will void it. Also, it insists too much about Microsoft being nice and cool when it comes to repairing your X-Box. I usually give people the benefit of the doubt, but we all know Microsoft likes to sugar coat things and likes to deceit people. Could it be that Microsoft people have been messing with this article?
And no, this is not trolling. This is an honest question. Be mature when answering and leave your fanboyism on the side. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Florsie (talk • contribs) 19:38, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
- Well, I know that "no original research" clause of wikipedia, but, I will say that Microsoft gets the job done when it comes to repairing consoles. Yes, they've fumbled in the past, as they have many times, but people tend to hold Microsoft accountable for the past rather than the present really. Right now, they're doing a fantastic job. Yeah, they're taking a loss for their console, but they're taking it for the end-user. I will admit that they were slow to respond, but when they did, they did in a very honorable fashion. The reason we guarantee is in here is to provide a reader with a complete background and present of the console. And, if it is here "too many times", then we could simply remove the redundancies. And to be honest, I feel that the people who edit this page are those who may have been plagued by the RROD or want to find reason to bash MS. So.... uhhhh..... yeah? Gyrferret (talk) 19:48, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
Its time to semi protect the article!
The last few months the edits of this article (a hundred or so) have either been vandalism, or reversal of vandalism, with only a few relatively good edits, its time to semi-protect the page. Note that the Xbox 360 article has been semi-protected a few weeks ago because of the same reason, and since then vandalism here has been increasing even more. Mahjongg (talk) 23:46, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
- Well finally a protection tag has been placed, But i'm somewhat disheartened to see that the massive removal of content that went on just before placing the tag seems to have gone unnoticed, I repaired it by going back to a version from a month ago, then putting back the protection tag, the article was vandalized so much that this was the simplest way to undo all of it. Mahjongg (talk) 23:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
crap!!!
Someone please fix what i just did to the talk pages. i tried to archive it and it got messed up completely!!!!! --Landfish7 (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. Note that cut and paste archiving is generally preferred over pagemove archiving. See WP:ARCHIVE. –xeno (talk) 01:45, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
You guys move faster than me.
I was going to request that this page be protected, but when I went to see the name of the article, it was already protected. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Draconiator (talk • contribs) 02:13, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Fast? The article has been heavily vandalized on a daily basis for months, just recently two third of the article was removed, without anybody even noticing it, by simply replacing content with inflammatory text, so that the inflammatory text will be removed, instead of reverting to the old version. The net result, the removal of whole paragraphs. rinse and repeat. Well, hoipefully that is now over, (for the next week or so). Mahjongg (talk) 23:48, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Red Ring of Death
For the X-box 360, Has anyone come up with a cure? Other than replacing the hold system. Since the makers of the x-box know about this problem what are they doing to fix it? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.135.109.18 (talk) 03:23, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Microsoft has been struggling since the beginning to get the failure rate of their hardware to acceptable levels, but most of what they did was keeping their mouth shut over it, and increasing the warranty ti three years (from a mandatory 2 years in Europe) over the most talked about problem, the "red ring of death", other problems that also occur fall outside this arrangement. Mahjongg (talk) 23:52, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- It is an engineering flaw. A smaller semiconductor manufacturing process 65 nm will help reduce the occurrence of it, but wont necessarily eliminate it. --Aizuku (talk) 07:52, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
Do these problems even exsist?
I mean I've had my Xbox 360 for 3 months already and I haven't experienced ANY of these problems. The only thing I'm having problems with is always getting an invalid code when trying to get a special offer on Netflix. BTW what's up with that anyway? --Coconutfred73 (talk) 05:44, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
- Didn't you follow any news? That you don't have a problem is simply coincidental. That you did not notice anything after just three months simply does not statistically mean anything. Mahjongg (talk) 23:41, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
Yes they do. I have literally just sent off a repair request for my xbox which i have had for 2 years. --Uksam88 (talk) 16:59, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
These problems do exist. My Xbox just started displaying the "Open Tray" error late last year, and I got it near the end of 2007. Sometimes it'll flash the "Unreadable Disc" message, too, and I know that the disc isn't the problem. So, yes, the problems are very real. Link 486 (talk) 17:36, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
- Okay, for a complete lowdown on the xbox-360 technical problems, read this (venturebeat.com xbox-360-defects-an-inside-history-of-microsofts-video-game-console-woes) after that you know all there is to know about the cause and width of the problems. Mahjongg (talk) 14:23, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
It's strange. I got the red rings like 5 times today but I was able to fix it by just removing and setting on the hardrive. But the red rings do suck. it's a pain I had to fix it. deathlive2 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Deathlive2 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- RROD problems can have a great many causes, some of them can be easily fixed, others not. It just depends how (un)lucky you are. Mahjongg (talk) 23:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
- If I am not mistaken there was a lot of factors as to why the 360 failed, and the biggest one can be summed up as NOT taking a lesson from the ATX standard.
- ATX have specified a bit regarding placement of hot components, amongst that there is a reason besides space that the CPU socket rests near a corner of the motherboard.
- And the issue behind the placement of the socket there is simply because when the board heats up, it will flex down according to its weight, and the fact that the mounting inside the 360 is rather poor and :LACKS braces on the backside the solder joints would flex with the board.
- Once the board got cold it would flex back to its old position and the soldering would follow, over time this basically broke the solder joints and that made the console fail.
- So lesson for MS... Learn from the ATX standard, having a cool chip is not enough, you have to design the board accordingly as well and never stuff the two hottest components in the CENTRE as MS did. 84.52.252.70 (talk) 22:30, 9 December 2009 (UTC)
Dutch lawsuit
Stichting Krasbox is a foundation who wants to sue Microsoft because of the scratched discs, as stated in the Kassa 2007 investigation on the page. To join them, you have to fill in a form and pay 25 euro (and be Dutch for language reasons).
http://teekenskarstens.nl/index.php/krasbox —Preceding unsigned comment added by 132.229.85.254 (talk) 13:00, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
Axe, meet article
Axed material. The article had become rife with original research, POV language and unsourced drivel. –xeno (talk) 21:01, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
- I've removed a large section of the BBC watchdog story as well. With a link provided to the report, I don't really feel that a complete recap, down to the detail of collecting pigeon droppings for video game money, is particularly beneficial or necessary to this article. --Stuthulhu (talk) 15:22, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
Redirection needs to be fixed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/Red_Ring_of_Death leads to http://en.wikipedia.org/Red_Ring_of_Death#Three_flashing_red_lights when it needs to go to http://en.wikipedia.org/Red_Ring_of_Death#Three_Flashing_Red_Lights
- Fewmenleft (talk) 19:33, 6 August 2009 (UTC)
New Error?
I have one that is weird. The disk goes in, and the Xbox says "to play this game, put in a Xbox 360" (paraphased). I put in back in and it works well, though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.218.167.138 (talk) 07:15, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
- This Has Also Happened To Me KingRaven (>$.$)> (talk) 05:19, 15 September 2009 (UTC)
- I think that happens when it can't read the disc. Tempshill (talk) 05:10, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
End of the RROD?
I've seen a lot of people saying that RROD is largely a thing of the past, but I can't find any real information (i.e. non-anecdotal). Anyone have anything here? Disproving this common tale would probably be even more interesting than proving it, honestly (and I say that with a hint of sadness because I just bought a new Elite). aubrey (talk) 16:48, 1 December 2009 (UTC)
- See the bottom of the "Response to rate of failure" section of this article. Tempshill (talk) 05:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Claim removed
- As a result, Microsoft now offers free repairs for out-of-warranty consoles, as the red ring of death does not violate the warranty stipulation that user-generated system faults (drops, spills, environmentally-related overheating, etc.) void the warranty.
I just removed the above claim, which was fact-tagged last month and still has no citation to support the claim. Tempshill (talk) 05:09, 16 December 2009 (UTC)
Can I fix this problem?
When I turn my Xbox 360 on I can play for about 5 min. then it shuts down and the 2 left side lights start flashing. Thanks if anyone can help.√“√” —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simple man 26 (talk • contribs) 01:59, 3 April 2010 (UTC)
- If I recall correctly, 2 red lights is an overheating issue. Put your 360 in a place with plenty of open ventilation, get some canned air and clean out all the vents and such. If this still doesn't help, then more drastic measures may need to be taken. If your console is out of warranty, I would recommend taking the cover off and making sure any fans are dust free and give it a good cleaning. If it is still within warranty, don't delay and send it in to be repaired ASAP. - 68.118.159.98 (talk) 20:01, 28 April 2010 (UTC) Deuce
- Might I remind you that this talk page is for improving the article, not for anything else, and how-to information is explicitly not allowed in wikipedia articles, so your discussion has no place here, and this thread should be removed in its entirety, including this comment. Mahjongg (talk) 22:29, 28 April 2010 (UTC)
The two left side lights are for overheating, so get it in a ventilated place. Hope this helps!
X360 slim scratches discs too
Microsoft just doesn't learn: as Sankaku Complex is reporting, the "slim" Xbox 360 S will destroy disks if the console is moved while in operation, just as its predecessor. -- Stormwatch (talk) 05:44, 17 June 2010 (UTC)
then why move the console when the disc is moving, that shit'll happen with any PC or DVD player also numbskull
- No it wont, there are many laptops that can be moved while playing disks without the disks being scratched. -P!XEL —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.168.162.126 (talk) 13:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
- There is no reason why any DVD (or blue-ray) player should scratch disks when moved, a few well placed rubber pads (worth a few cents) in the player is all that is needed to prevent that from happening. Also, moving a game console can happen spontaneous, all that is needed is some vibrations, which can happen if you live near a street with heavy truck, or train, traffic. Or what to think of a place where micro (earthquake) tremors happen often, or maybe your little sister bumps into the TV-cabinet onto which the Xbox is placed. The xbox has disks that rotate at extreme speed (much faster than a DVD player) a fraction of a millimeter from a glass lens, (which isn't protected by bumpers from running into the spinning disk) the lens also moved toward and from the surface of the DVD to try to keep focus, even when the DVD is warped, or incorrectly mounted, there isn't much vibration needed to make that go wrong. Mahjongg (talk) 01:04, 9 September 2010 (UTC)
Help Me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have the 3 red rings (I know its a general hardware error). Tell me some stuff that could be wrong with it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.163.130.62 (talk) 18:52, 12 September 2010 (UTC)
Overheating. That's what it was two times for me now. Since I don't get a refund no more, I chose to open the 'box up on the sides and top by disasemling the whole case. Works fine now, and you can use it as a neat heating device if cold. Seriously, little wonder that thing's that hot. But engineers don't think/care these days, my *ss could've built a better cooling system.BenBulletDodger (talk) 12:03, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
CAN SOMEONE PLEASE GIVE ME ANSWERS!?
wen i turn my xbox on(hardrive in) i go into a match (black ops) for about 1 min and it turns of with 2 red lights......... i turn my xbox on (no hardrive in) i can leave it on for 100 YEARS SOME HELPPPPPPPPPPPPPPP..!!!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Adam1419 (talk • contribs) 10:40, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
I had the same thing happening when my Harddrive was loose a bit so I took it off and gently smacked it to fit it in the left sided slot it's supposed to be put on, THAT (2 light error) worked ever since.BenBulletDodger (talk) 12:11, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
LISTEN!!!!!
(I PLAY XBOX)IF UR CONSIDERING ON BUYING A XBOX 360 DON'T THEY'RE SHIT AS PS1'S AND THEY DONT EVEN OVERHEAT EVERY SECOND THEY DONT SCRATCH F#$%^*& DISKS EVERY TIME U PUT THEM IN. INSTEAD OF WASTING 500 BUCKS FOR A 500 TONE PEICE OF SH!T, BUY A PS3 THEY DONT OVERHEAT THEY HAVE FREE ONLINE AND U DONT HAVE TO BUY BATTERIES FOR THE REMOTE OMG... THE MONEY I SPEND ON BATTERIES FAR OUT! SO IF U WERE GONA GO BUY A SHITBOX 360 THINK AGAIN THERE A PEICE OF MY TURD
You're right. But your keyboard seems to be defective too, since your capslock is stuck :) nah don't get me wrong, I's just joking. I wouldn't get another one (X360), and agree on that. But since it's (still) running, I won't buy a PS3 now. Later maybe.BenBulletDodger (talk) 12:07, 11 December 2010 (UTC)
thanx, after reading this, i won't be buying x-box, how about Wii? I am reluctant to buy PS3 as I've heard same problems with PS3, plus i hate Sony!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.220.53.72 (talk) 05:52, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
You know, you can buy a rechargable battery for Xbox controllers... 82.69.94.215 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:04, 7 March 2011 (UTC).
dude stop being a little bitchy hater troll dude the 360 is epic the ps3 (is pretty cool) also has a bunch of defects, im 100% sure you dont play on the 360, 360's arnt 500 dollers (WTF) not even for a slim with kinect. psn isnt as good as xbl, xbox has better exclusive games and you can just buy a battery pack or have a wired controller. now shut up sony fanboy and go play your crappy ps3 "games" or some shit
my xbox 360 ellite is modified!
my xbox 360 ellite is modified wdf do i do now i have teh red ring —Preceding unsigned comment added by 194.80.100.21 (talk) 18:21, 8 March 2011 (UTC)
Get it repaired... not by Microsoft though. They don't repair modded consoles. Instead, find a guy on Craigslist or something in your area that will fix it. Good luck. :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.78.41.180 (talk) 21:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
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