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early comments
Hihi
At the risk of sounding like an idiot, how to I create another Cholo page for the excellent Firebird video game from the 1980s of the same name?
http://www.1984.org.uk/gspeccy.php?game=cholo.z80&name=Cholo&text=cholo
Game playable there in java form, also visible cover artwork if anyone wondered what the other use of it was -.o;
Thanks
Hideki 04:33, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
I can't believe there's a page for cholos, but no page for vatos.
Then make one, vato. ¡No es muy difícil! And be sure to put it on Wiktionary too. Diderot 14:10, 23 Sep 2004 (UTC)
_______ They may not have started them but who care they took over them .. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.238.151.181 (talk) 21:56, 2 November 2009 (UTC)
Chicanos did not start California's first gangs. The first documented urban gang in
California was the Sydney Ducks in 19th century San Francisco, made up of
Australians of presumably English and Irish ancestry. Even the first gang in
northeastern Los Angeles, the Sunset Boys, was not a Chicano nor a Mexican-American gang.
However, Chicano gangs managed to survive over the decades while the early
Anglo and other white gangs died off (as did early African-American and
Asian-American gangs). It would be more appropriate to say that the Chicano
gangs are California's oldest gangs, not the first gangs.
Interesting assertion. It is somewhat debatable depending on one's definition of an urban gang but interesting nonetheless. I would remind that not all documented reports are an accurate reflection of a truth or the reality of a society's history. It's a good idea for anyone wishing to contribute to the definition of "cholo" in this article to keep in mind, that, the most common user of the term "cholo" in America today and most specifically Los Angeles is the cholo himself. Despite the assertion that the "first documented urban gang" in S.F. and the "Sunset Boys" in Northeast L.A. were the first gangs in California, and that neither was associated with Chicanos or "mestizos", I would also remind that the main intent of this article is to describe what a cholo is. In this reagrd, it is not important to discuss which ethnicity groups had the first gangs in California; especially since, it is rather certain that any "non-mestizos" of California's distant past were very unlikely to be using the word cholo at all. Cityside Seraph 3/1/06
In San Diego, Califas traditionally roots carry back as far to 1940's Strong Mexican women.Active during circa late 60's Primary Barrios: Logan Heights/ Chicano Park area ,Lomita village/ Aligned Sententas 70's Vetanos, Chico's,spiders in late 80's from East LA. Encanto,National City, Paradise Hills, Sherman heights,Shell Town, Loma's and North Park,not really claiming a color mainly the raza. (Brown Pride) or (Barrio).These Loca's had few chola clubs one was thee BROWN EMOTIONS CA,based Out of Lomita Village,Ca.San Diego. with over 30 remembers of all races with unique names and with granted ranks to Sargent of arms/ treasure/lead president etc. Mission was to attend dances and mix with car washes fundraisers(for custom Name Gold Jewelry neck less to Tatoos, Jackets and cost of lettering etc..) Events: was car shows in Logan Chicano Park, soft ball with other girls and yes party etc. these girls where not to be reckon with been many fights and territory rights . Attire: Dickie khakis, razor sharp stiff press iron or 501's shrink to fit / not wash stiff and razor sharp seam some these cholas sew another pant leg and wore cuff high as far to the upper calf to stash items!TOPS: tube tops,sweater v Necks and or tees, jacked or club jacket trench tapper coats, black grey or red and black wool/ flannel pendletons came in in late 80's foot wear: black house booties ,black whaatchie saddles, hush puppies and Imperials pointy dress shoes,head bandanna Gold hoop earrings. Hair usually long to hip braided and curl let flow dyed blue BLACK with blond highlight streaks frame the face and under the neck / tease crown middle parted or ratted back .Makeup was mainly the finest recalling never leave the home without your false lashes top and bottom with white eyeshadow and a Bold Brown Bitch line in the crease to the out temple :CALLED racoons/Angle wing eyes THICKER THE LASHES the harder the look.Eyebrows was shaved then painted on with lighter soften pencil eyeliner never thick usually tear drop then line arch simple dark lips stick with burgundy color. the red lips stick and out line came in the late 80'shtm</ref>
Chile and Argentina
I'm changing the part that says "Although in Chile and Argentina 'cholo' is rarely..." because some of this is not true of argentina. Refer to the article and discussion in the spanish wikipedia. --cholo 21:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
White/Amerindian Concerns
it says in the part about the type of Cholos that are Native americans who adopt the Hispano/Mestizo culture to become Cholos. I was wondering, would a american kid with Irish,Portuguese, and Native American descent be able to accept a new identity as a Mestizo ? can anyone tell me? - —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 74.194.150.6 (talk) 06:45, 22 December 2006 (UTC).
Si, lean like a Cholo. Listen to your corazon if you feel like a cholo then you are; keep those elbows up (side to side)! 64.118.223.249 (talk) 03:24, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
Spaniard Chola
in Spain, chola is a name for penis. (chola, pijo, pijote, pija, picha, pichina, polla, rabo, pito...) 212.97.181.220 11:08, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
Chamizo
What is a chamizo? Should there be an article for this term? 68.164.94.85 13:12, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
SOUTH WEST CHOLOS 13
These are gang member mainly around the Bellare Blvd, Hilcroft, Glenmont, Green Park, West park,Town Park st & Alief houston areas. There rivel enemys are La Primera, La Trecera Crips, MS 13, Surenos, Bloos, Sppl. La Primera also known as LP are trying to take over the SWC hood but they cant because they are pussys. they do drive-bys and thats is fuck la primera . South west cholos controling and ruling. No 1 takes over our hoods!
Correct Representation of Sources
The first citation includes the following, ostensibly supporting, quote:
"Al hijo de negro y de india, o de indio y de negra, dicen mulato y mulata. A los hijos de éstos llaman cholo; es vocablo de la isla de Barlovento; quiere decir perro, no de los castizos (raza pura), sino de los muy bellacos gozcones; y los españoles usan de él por infamia y vituperio.""
What this source says is misrepresented. It does not say that cholo meant a cross between a mestizo and an Indian; it says that a cholo is a person of mixed Indian and Negro ancestry two or more generations after the mixing occurred. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Hadding (talk • contribs) 04:25, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Fashion stereotypes
This section looks like the antithesis of an encyclopedic entry. I think it should edited or removed altogether. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.1.170 (talk) 18:46, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Cholo in Ecuador
In Modern usage
Peru, Bolivia and Ecuador
The last paragraph should be changed from:
The term as used in Ecuador is supposedly a neutral term to designate the human groups described above. It may be used, however, following the colonial Spanish manner of speech as a pejorative term to disparage someone as being a member of the "lower class", a designation historically associated and usually reserved to maintain in check the social status of those of greater Amerindian admixture.
to:
The term as used in Ecuador is supposedly a neutral term to designate the human groups described above. It is mostly used, however, following the colonial Spanish manner of speech as a pejorative term to disparage someone as being a member of the "lower class", a designation historically associated and usually reserved to maintain in check the social status of those of greater Amerindian admixture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Goc335 (talk • contribs) 07:01, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
como vagabundo
ie, not always an 'ethnic slur' as the intro says now. Can also be like a creative way of describing trainhoppers, for example: "los cholos" (using poetic license, perhaps) .. ever since i first heard this term used in Mexico, i thought it might have an ambiguous meaning based on context. not unlike how a guy might call his buddy "cabron" in jest or otherwise friendly manner. i will look for sources to confirm or dispel this notion, but I just thought I'd ask others here first. -PrBeacon (talk) 22:39, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Hair nets
Why do so many hispanic "gangsters" wear these hair nets? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.22.166.8 (talk) 12:23, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
Use of word Cholo in the article itself
I feel uneasy with the use of the Word Cholo in the text of the article. First it states the term is peyorative, and then it goes to use it freely throughout the article (especially in the "Fashion Stereotypes section.) It would like like the article about the "N" word saying "N****s usually dress this and that." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.19.194 (talk) 19:09, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
- I felt the same way, but you said it much better than I could have.PurpleChez (talk) 02:36, 2 November 2010 (UTC)