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Nicobar Pigeon

Hello, would you confused Nicobar Pigeon = Nicobar à camail and Liverpool Pigeon = Nicobar ponctué? In fact, in french Nicobar is a vernacular name for birds such some doves and pigeons, and not only a name for the islands where those birds can be found. Thereby a Nicobar ponctué would be a Punctuated Pigeon ;) Totodu74 (talk) 21:24, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Ah ! ok, that is interesting ! My mistake. Shyamal (talk) 01:19, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

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Cinereous Vulture

This revert was unwarranted. If you want to skip the page numbers, that's fine, but don't remove the improved referencing itself. I wasn't disputing anything factual, either. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 07:56, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, it appeared as if references were being removed. Do register yourself so that editors will consider your edit history in revert decisions. Shyamal (talk) 08:01, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm aware that some of the filters are incorrectly tagging edits as 'references removed', however, that's not what's actually happening. Are you going to revert back? also, I'm not interested in registering an account. Huh? do you see that I caused the citation bot to create that template before I edited it?

re: Could you check your usage of cite doi please ? it should be followed by the pipe | and not / resulting in subpages of the template. Shyamal (talk) 08:06, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

The bot created it, and it's correct. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 08:09, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for self-reverting; I've continued, cutting the widths, as you did, and fixed the iucnredlist link. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 08:30, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for improving the article. Shyamal (talk) 08:31, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

You're welcome. ;) 110.139.190.67 (talk) 08:34, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Screaming Hairy Armadillo

On 28 May 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Screaming Hairy Armadillo, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that sand may form 50% of the stomach contents of a Screaming Hairy Armadillo (pictured)? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Cattle Egret

The link you gave came up with a "Not Found". The information can, of course, be re-added, but the fact that two of us were misled/confused by the deleted text suggests that it needs a bit more explanation if it's put back in. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:46, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Done, a search for endothermy and birds will provide more information. A similar note on White Storks at http://www.ardeola.org/files/519.pdf Shyamal (talk) 17:09, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Incidentally, the developmental timer starts ticking only after first incubation. So you can keep a freshly laid chicken egg in the refrigerator and give it after a week to a broody hen and the egg will hatch fine. This is sometimes a mechanism by which the clutch hatches synchronously. Shyamal (talk) 17:11, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat

On 1 June 2011, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that Franquet's Epauletted Fruit Bat (pictured) is one of three fruit-eating bats found to be a reservoir for Ebola virus in the wild? You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and add it to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Shyamal — I've been looking for a Pink-headed Warbler pic for ages! MeegsC | Talk 12:25, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

It seems like adding 19th Century illustrations acts like a good catalyst! Shyamal (talk) 13:54, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Egyptian Vulture && White-rumped Vulture

re: diff && diff

I disagree with this approach to the {{cite doi}} template system, which is all about making complex citations more maintainable by keeping them separate and by seeking to share them between multiple articles. On a practical level, you should have subst'd instead of simply switching to {{cite journal}} and having the bot flesh them out because the bot misses stuff that I had manually migrated into the templates, such as links to free copies of the papers and the repair of outright errors.

You seem to be responsible for a great many of the bird articles here, and I'm not specifically focused on such articles other than short-term. I was going to do the last seven inline cites that remain in White-rumped Vulture ("In the Indian subcontinent"), but I'll leave this field to you. fwiw, Cas, who you must know, liked the "doi thingies". 110.139.190.67 (talk) 05:29, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, I think it calls for a larger discussion on the use of database style transclusion. As I mentioned, it is rather impractical to have to watchlist hundreds of doi pages in addition to the articles. I hope you understand. Technically, yes, it is rather interesting but unless it is accompanied by policy changes, protection for template subpage spaces and other changes, it seems to be rather premature to do these conversions. You are of course welcome to do the research and improve articles, but the slog work you are doing should ideally be done by bots once there is an overwhelming consensus on citation techniques to be followed. Shyamal (talk) 05:33, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

Additionally, if sharing between articles is an aim then using quotations from the references "<ref name=Example2006a>{{Cite doi|10.1146/annurev.earth.33.092203.122621}} "A sample quote"</ref>" makes it run into problems. A quotation for one article may be irrelevant to another. Shyamal (talk) 05:37, 2 June 2011 (UTC) PS: not a valid objection. Shyamal (talk) 06:06, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

The quote concern is moot; quotes that would be shared would go in the doi subpage and those specific to an article would go in the article just after the template invocation. See the documentation. I (edit conflict)'d with your strikeout. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 06:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

I've left notes for Casliber and Smith609 (the developer of the citation and doi bots). The {{cite doi}} seems to have thousands of subpages for specific dois and pmids:

• see: Special:PrefixIndex

You have orphaned some dozens of templates, and lost a lot of cite-detail that is in them and is not in the re-flesh the bot did. Meh; I'm done with vultures, anyway. As you prolly realize, I'm not an inexperienced editor. I've been here a very long time and have made more than 50,000 edits. The core intent here was to illustrate how much the article text can be decluttered by moving the cites out-of-line; for example:

• de-clutter of Egyptian Vulture
• de-clutter of White-rumped Vulture

See the many paragraphs that amount to three-quarters citation text and one-quarter prose. That, at least, remains. Bots are tools for rote work, but much of this sort of work really has to be done by hand to be done properly. And, as everyone eventually learns on these projects, everything you do erodes due to the other participants. It's all sandcastles on the beach. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 06:10, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

moar: Egyptian Vulture#Footnotes. The Most of the footnotes no longer properly link to the cited references further down; another mechanism lost in the orphaning of the templates. 110.139.190.67 (talk) 06:16, 2 June 2011 (UTC)