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Nableezy

Anythingyouwant

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Request concerning Anythingyouwant

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

MastCell  21:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#Ferrylodge restricted

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs) is Ferrylodge (talk · contribs). In Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge, ArbCom found that: "Ferrylodge has a long history of disruptive editing on topics related to pregnancy and abortion, but has edited reasonably on unrelated topics." As a result, Ferrylodge/Anythingyouwant is under an indefinite restriction against disrupting "any article which relates to pregnancy or abortion, interpreted broadly."

Abortion is currently subject to community-imposed 1RR. Anythingyouwant has reverted twice in the past 3 days:

• 01:15, 21 June 2011
• 17:31, 23 June 2011

Both times he's cited WP:BRD, but to this point he has not actually discussed either revert on the talk page (his last substantive contribution to Talk:Abortion was 1 month ago).

I think that repeatedly reverting a contentious article, citing WP:BRD but not actually discussing, is disruptive even though the reverts are slightly outside the official 24-hour window for 1RR. Given the pre-existing findings from the ArbCom case about Anythingyouwant's disruptive editing on abortion-related topics, I've brought this here.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

• Anythingyouwant is aware of this sanction; previous requests for enforcement have been filed, and he petitioned (unsuccessfully) to have it lifted. No formal warning is required by the ArbCom sanction.

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

• Topic ban from abortion (plus or minus related articles), as the ArbCom-prescribed remedy.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Anythingyouwant

Statement by Anythingyouwant

I made two reverts to the article over the course of three days. My edit summaries were as follows:

(1) "Revert per WP:BRD. Pastel Kitten is correct that this longstanding image was edit-warred out of this article without consensus. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."

(2) "Revert per WP:BRD. No one has asserted there is consensus to remove this longstanding image. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."

MastCell apparently does not assert that I have misapplied WP:BRD, and I was not misapplying it. As MastCell knows, there was extensive discussion at the article talk page about this content issue last month. MastCell was deeply involved in that discussion, and he favored removing an image that was in the article for well over a year. There was no consensus to remove the image at that time, but the image was nevertheless edit-warred out of the article, contrary to WP:BRD. Another editor (not myself) reinserted the image this week.

My edit-summaries (quoted above) were thorough and self-explanatory. No editors who seek removal of the longstanding image have commented about their recent removal at the article talk page. Despite the lack of discussion at the article talk page, I did edit the talk page today to more fully explain why I reverted them (inserting template).

Please note that there was a huge RFC on this topic in 2009 here. This RFC is linked in the FAQ at the top of the article talk page. All I was doing here is implementing WP:BRD, I did not come anywhere close to violating 1RR, and I reverted two edits that were unexplained at the article talk page.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

The image has again been edit-warred out of the article today without consensus or talk page discussion, which apparently is fine with MastCell and other admins. After the present attempt to delete the image from Commons is concluded, I will probably bring this matter up again at the article talk page, and restore the image to the article (pending consensus for its removal).Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Anythingyouwant

What a weird sanction! I thought ALL wikipedians are under indefinite restrictions from disrupting ANY articles... - BorisG (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Seems that 2 reverts over three days does not violate 1RR in any case ... this is a content dispute, and not a case where AYW should be punished for actually staying within the restrictions given. Nor can I view the edits as "disruptive". Please - keep content disputes out of AE. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Most disruptive editing centers around a content dispute. The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. MastCell  01:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Result concerning Anythingyouwant

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Hmm. It is true that this edit restores a contentious image; however, as far as I could tell in reading Talk:Abortion/Archive_41#Picture_of_abortion, there's no consensus on its removal, either. Anythingyouwant did fail to start the conversation again at the talk page, though. I am unwilling to enforce action against Anythingyouwant as disruptive (because I don't consider it to be disruptive), and he in theory didn't violate 1RR/day. If it were up to me, I'd rather force additional discussion on the image yet again. - Penwhale | 07:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Cptnono

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Cptnono

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) at 19:28, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 06:48, 22 June 2011 Tendentious editing, hounding
2. 05:32, 24 June 2011 Tendentious editing
3. 05:43, 24 June 2011 Personal attack, accusation of socking without evidence
4. 06:02, 24 June 2011 Personal attack. Here he admits he has no evidence for the accusation, but proceeds to repeat it
5. 05:36, 24 June 2011 Personal attack.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Blocked by AGK for violations of NPA

Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)

Interaction ban, topic ban

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Cptnono has repeatedly hounded my contributions to follow me to articles where he was not involved to revert my edits. There are numerous examples of this, and he has in the past admitted to doing so to "keep me in line". One such example is Golan Heights Wind Farm, where Cptnono performs, as his first and only edit to either the article or talk page, a revert of an edit by me shortly after I edit the page. This is exactly what happened at Dahiya doctrine. After I revert an IP who had tagged the article without cause, Cptnono follows me there and reverts me as his very first edit to either the article or talk page. When Cptnono is asked to, instead of immediately tagging the article, edit the article to correct any issues that he might see, he refuses to do so. He later re-reverts to place the tag once again on the article. He has yet to actually say what he would like to add, only saying that some unknown source is not used properly and that the article is "POV". This is tendentious editing, the purpose of which is to goad other editors in to an edit war over a tag. This is not simply my opinion of what happened, in this edit to a user's talk page he taunts other editors and dares them to revert him so that he can go to AE. In sum, Cptnono hounded my contributions to revert me, then said he was not interested in even attempting to address any POV issues that may be there, and then attempts to goad others in to reverting him. This series of edits shows that he is simply playing games here.

Cptnono has also made repeated accusations against me about socking. He has not once produced a single thread of evidence to support such a serious charge, but he has repeated it multiple times on this very page. In the above diffs, Cptnono says that he does not have any evidence for the charge, but repeats it anyway. He has done this in the past, (example here and refusing to substantiate the accusation here). According to WP:NPA, accusations made without evidence are personal attacks. The policy says, in the section "What is considered to be a personal attack?", Accusations about personal behavior that lack evidence. Serious accusations require serious evidence. This is among the most serious accusations that an editor can make here, and repeatedly making it without providing any evidence at all, even admitting that there is no evidence at all, is highly inappropriate.

This editor has repeatedly leveled serious charges against others without once providing evidence. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions to involve himself in disputes simply because I am already there. He has repeatedly reverted to restore tags to articles despite never even attempting to edit the article to address whatever issues he claims exist, and indeed has rebuffed requests that he do so. He has attempted to goad others into edit-warring, with the explicitly expressed objective of bring others "down with Nableezy" here at AE. These generally tendentious actions would not, by themselves, cause me to make this request. But combined, they demonstrate that Cptnono is editing with the purpose of annoying me and goading me in to doing something so that his years long campaign to have me banned succeeds.

I realize that one-sided interaction bans are disliked by admins with good cause, and while I do not feel that I have done anything to merit any type of ban being placed on me with regard to Cptnono, if that is what it takes to have this never ending stream of asinine accusations and repeated tendentious hounding of my edits stop then so be it.

Boris, Cptnono has done this multiple times. And as you wrote, I objected to the accusations above at the time they were made. If Biosketch wishes he can ask that Tarc stop making such accusations without providing evidence, and if Tarc persists he may then seek administrative relief from such unsubstantiated charges. I have repeatedly requested that Cptnono cease making accusations without providing any evidence, yet he persists. Additionally, the hounding by Cptnono has gone from a mere annoyance to disruption, as he is involving himself in articles where he either has no interest of editing or is literally too drunk to do so. If you would like to raise the issue of Tarc making such accusations you are free to do so in any number of venues. It is however completely irrelevant here. I am not Tarc, I am not responsible for him, and what he says does not in any way excuse Cptnono's repeated unsubstantiated and unfounded accusations. nableezy - 05:40, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Some of these comments below are simply unbelievable. Cptnono's every edit is scrutinized????? He has "enemies waiting in ambush to pounce"?????? Truly astonishing. As far as I know, not a single editor has ever hounded Cptnono, and not a single time has an unmerited enforcement request against him been filed. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions, not the other way around. He has repeatedly made malicious charges without ever providing a single bit of evidence for them, not the other way around. Many of the below comments do only one thing; that is they demonstrate that this page needs to do away with the comments by involved editors. Cptnono has repeatedly made serious accusations without ever providing evidence for them. He has repeatedly hounded my contributions and edited in a tendentious fashion when doing so. See his conduct in the diffs above at the Dahiya doctine article, accompanied by his drunken ranting at Sean.hoyland's talk page. I have held my tongue in giving anything resembling an honest critique of Cptnono, despite repeated provocations by him in which he has made blatantly dishonest accusations against me and edited with the sole purpose of annoying me. I await a response to the actual issues involved here from an uninvolved admin. nableezy - 05:50, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning Cptnono

Statement by Cptnono

If Nableezy wants me to stop commenting on him at AE he should stop getting himself in trouble.

I do have a hard time interacting with Nableezy since he is the catalyst to so many problems. I just don't edit war with him and that is why I am still around while others are not. I try not to seek him out exclusively but he makes it pretty hard when I want the topic area to not be garbage (note the centralized discussion I started).

If an interaction ban is the decision then I am cool with it. However, I don't think it is feasible. We edit too many of the same articles. I would prefer a limited interaction ban (basically a final warning) but I would also be OK with an interaction ban as long as it is lifted when he is topic banned again since all interaction is based in one topic area. When he is topic banned again I don;t think I should have any restrictions.

No matter what, no interaction ban is appropriate without a waiver on Gaza War (it was getting a little less combative until he came back, BTW) since there is an ongoing discussion.Cptnono (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

And I don;t need to comment on the sock thing. My comment was clear and he chose to take offence. Cptnono (talk) 07:48, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

And my laptop does not have a breathalizer. At least I am only a jerk when drunk and not a POV pusher. Chucgging a handful right now, friends (see, I am honest about it :) ). Cptnono (talk) 07:51, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Hold on a second Biosketch: Don't let my love for the most drinkable garbage beer lead you to believe that I don't like a handful from a good microbrew at happy hour. I am from Seattle after all :)

@Peter: I don't understand your questions exactly. So I will clarify my point:" I think Nableezy is only back for a short time since I assume he will continue to get himself in trouble. So basically I don;t want to have some weird interaction ban hanging over me based on the principle of it. If he is booted again I want to be in the clear so that there isn't some weird scarlet letter on me. And yes, Gaza War oddly enough since it is not feasible to have us both work on the article if e cannot talk to each other. But maybe this is why we should have ARBPIA3. I will be bounced for a bit for my history of incivility (the report above does not show that but a history will kill me) while a history of pushing a POV and edit warring will rip out the real trouble makers. I am a jerk but I don't cause the other issues that permeate the topic area.

Overall, why is this AE still open. I do not deserve the time to be perfectly frank. Been here enough and know how it works. I do appreciate the comments since there is a good blend of constructive criticism and plain niceness. Cptnono (talk) 06:18, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm cool with it. The only thing I take issue with is AGK preaching about intoxication on my talk page (who are you to turn from a janitor to a preacher? How about I suggest you stop trying to play Judge Wapner at night?) and the mention of tit-for-tat (I had not filed a request here for a bit so it wasn't really tit-for-tat as it?)

But at the end, it is a well worded interaction ban and 6 months seems like a reasonable amount of time to let things cool down. It is not my job anymore which is a relief.

But ARBPIA3 is still something I would be interested in. A 6 month topic ban would be unfortunate for me but it if it helps clear out some of the issues then great.Cptnono (talk) 03:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Cptnono

• I think an interaction ban would be a very good idea. I'm not sure Cptnono has crossed the line into topic ban territory, but he's dancing very close to it. And he would be wise not to edit while intoxicated. — Malik Shabazz /_Stalk 19:53, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
• There seems little point in sanctioning Cptnono. His comments here make it clear he will simply cheat the system in order to circumvent actions taken against him. Note the lines: "…Now how about a cycle my IP... If I ever get blocked for a longer amount of time I will certainly go for it…" Prunesqualer (talk) 22:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • That's a good point, and anyway "having to be Cptnono" is probably a lot worse punishment than anything we can do here. Herostratus (talk) 15:19, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Personal attacks are rare in AE comments. Well done! Can we please have this request closed, before more people exercise their sense of humor? --ElComandanteChe (talk) 17:14, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Speaking of the system, I would have thought your topic ban kept you from commenting on an ARBPIA request. Or am I mixing you up with someone else? --JGGardiner (talk) 17:53, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Who are you referring to? I don't think that anyone commenting here is under a relevant topic ban. RolandR (talk) 18:37, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
      • Prunesqualer is indefed from PI area. --ElComandanteChe (talk) 22:17, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• I know some editors view interaction bans as punishments, while others welcome them, so I'd like to hear Cptnono's thoughts on an interaction ban with Nableezy before I comment further. ← George 00:25, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Having heard back from Cptnono, I'd say I support an interaction ban. While Nableezy and Cptnono may have opposing viewpoints, I think the real problem is what they have in common with each other: neither particularly cares for bullshit, but they both can keep up (and don't back down) if you bring it. I don't know if that's a character flaw or a commendable trait - possibly both - but when you line them up against each other it can get a bit ugly. Maybe give an interaction ban a shot and see if it helps calm the waters? I think it would be more constructive than throwing topic bans at otherwise productive contributors anyways (productivity being irrespective of whether or not you agree with their viewpoints). My two cents. ← George 23:11, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
• Agree with Malik Shabazz that at this point an interaction ban would be a good idea; Misplaced Pages is not a battleground, regardless of whether or not you've enjoyed a few too many chelas; if an interaction ban does not improve the situation, there may be a need for more draconian steps. -- nsaum75  01:02, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
• I do not support accusations without evidence, but Cptnono's latest statements about Nableezy were made in the context of another editor making such allegations against Biosketch . Nableezy disagreed with these allegations . However, omission of this context by Nableezy here is itself highly tendentious. - BorisG (talk) 04:45, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• From Cptnono's post yesterday to Sean Hoyland's talk page: "no need to pretend anymore. you are in the topic area for on reason and one reason only. you flew under the radar and it was cute but don't pretend to be neutral. you are a funny guy who does make good edits but leave the vandalism fighting to those who actually care about the project and neutrality." I know how easy it is to feel frustrated and cynical with those who oppose one's usual POV in so controversial an area, but it's important to recognize the need for a break when that frustration exceeds easily manageable limits.  – OhioStandard (talk) 13:49, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• I don't know who needs a break, but I recommend that Cptnono be reminded not to comment on users, only on edits. This may also be good advice to some other participants here. I am not referring to comments made here, of course, since this page is largely about editor conduct. - BorisG (talk) 18:21, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Cptnono chooses to edit in a very very difficult area (I can only every dip in and out) and I have always respected his editing. Maybe we all lose our way now and again but I would ask that you take it easy on him as I for one believe he is an asset to this project. BTW Cptnono we all need to take a break now and again. Bjmullan (talk) 21:01, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

• Nableezy = pot calling the kettle black. I.e. Nobody has any basis for seeking to sanction me on AE but I'll go out of my way with a weak case to get everyone else sanctioned. Yawn. Moveon.org. Plot Spoiler (talk) 17:10, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

• My thoughts exactly. And Herostratus (talk · contribs) makes a valid point: Cptnono (talk · contribs) wears uncomfortable shoes in the I/P topic area, and few of us would want or be able to walk in them for very long. His every edit is scrutinized with an electron microscope, and he has enemies waiting in ambush to pounce on his every uncrossed t or undotted i. He should probably keep booze and Misplaced Pages at least an hour apart, and it wouldn't hurt to switch from that Miller crap he drinks to some quality European brews.—Biosketch (talk) 03:47, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• An undotted i might not seem like a big deal. But you have to remember that in WP you really have to go out of your way to do it. I think you'd have to screw around with the CSS actually. So when you see an I/P editor make a big effort to cause a small dustup it can be pretty upsetting. --JGGardiner (talk) 07:38, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• On the other hand, I did say this during a recent Nableezy AE discussion so it is probably fair that I repeat it now: What do you do in Chinatown? As little as possible. --JGGardiner (talk) 07:48, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have decent relations with both editors and think they have both made useful contributions. An interaction ban may be the best way to go. However, I have a couple of questions for Cptnono about the exceptions he proposes. If Nableezy gets blocked for being rude or for edit warring on one article, why does that suddenly mean that his edits elsewhere become so bad that your interaction ban shoudl be dropped. Surely if they were that poor someoen else is likely to want to revert them? Also why an exception for Gaza War? Surely where you both feel strongly is where you are most likely to clash.--Peter cohen (talk) 23:30, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

Result concerning Cptnono

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As I have previously opined, I am concerned that we are so often seeing requests for enforcement that relate to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Specifically, the unceasing tit-for-tat enforcement requests and endless editing only of articles about P/I by most editors is worrying, and the situation is generally unsustainable. After much reflection, my view is that we must topic-ban the major contributors to this subject area irrespective of the seriousness of their own misconduct, because the alternative would be to refer the dispute to arbitration for ARBPIA 3 - where many would be topic-banned anyway. Some of these editors make constructive editors, but the aggregate of their contributions is that the P/I topic is a complete mess, and a topic ban must therefore be the lesser of two evils. To put my thinking into an image: if the primary editors of a contested topic area are youths in a town with high anti-social behaviour, then my suggestion is to instate a curfew of all 12-17 year olds, irrespective of whether they spend their nights spray-painting walls or diligently doing their homework. To employ the tactic of liberally topic-banning is crude, but would work as a last-ditch attempt to improve behaviour on P/I articles, and I invite comment from other uninvolved administrators on the matter.

With regards to the specific request for enforcement, I concur that it has become counter-productive to permit Cptnono and Nableezy to interact. The following sanctions are passed, effective immediately, per WP:ARBPIA2#Discretionary sanctions:

• Cptnono banned from interacting with Nableezy for 6 months

Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for 6 months (until 27 December 2011) from interacting with Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), in accordance with the standard interaction ban detailed at Misplaced Pages:Banning policy#Interaction ban. Cptnono may not:

1. Edit any page within Nableezy's user or user talk space;
2. Reply to Nableezy in any discussion;
3. Make reference to or comment on Nableezy, directly or indirectly, on any page; or
4. Undo any edit by Nableezy to any page except his own user or user talk pages (by any means, including the rollback function).

In accordance with this restriction, Cptnono may also not submit a request for arbitration enforcement that concerns Nableezy.

• Nableezy banned from interacting with Cptnono for 6 months

Nableezy (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is prohibited for 6 months (until 27 December 2011) from interacting with Cptnono (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log), in accordance with the standard interaction ban detailed at Misplaced Pages:Banning policy#Interaction ban. Nableezy may not:

1. Edit any page within Cptnono's user or user talk space;
2. Reply to Cptnono in any discussion;
3. Make reference to or comment on Cptnono, directly or indirectly, on any page; or
4. Undo any edit by Cptnono to any page except his own user or user talk pages (by any means, including the rollback function).

In accordance with this restriction, Nableezy may also not submit a request for arbitration enforcement that concerns Cptnono.

I will leave this request for enforcement open, to allow any comment on my preliminary remarks about avoiding ARBPIA3 by the more frequent use of extended topic-bans. AGK 22:20, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't particular like how this is done, especially the #2 and #3 which also restricts possible RfAr that encloses more than these 2. I would prefer to make all subpages of RfAr (Not counting AE) excluded from the restriction (i.e. RfAr and cases are okay, AE is off-limits). - Penwhale | 09:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

This is the standard form of an interaction ban, as set down at WP:IBAN. I think it is a given that, if the dispute proceeds to arbitration, all bets are off and all discretionary sanctions are suspended; but to be clear, if these editors are later both named in a request for arbitration, they are exempted from this ban. AGK 10:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• I tend to think that it is better to pass the case to arbcom, which is in a much better position to do a comprehensive review over the entire topic area than individual AE admins. Barring that, I agree that liberal use of topic bans seems to be necessary to control the persistent disruption. T. Canens (talk) 08:39, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Chesdovi

Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.

Request concerning Chesdovi

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

asad (talk) 16:41, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Chesdovi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Discretionary_sanctions

Chesdovi seems to have a problem with adding and changing information in articles that he knows will never survive consensus in an effort to make a political point. It ranges from outlandish edits, sarcastic edit summaries and tit-for-tat editing. Some of these diffs are a bit dated, but the show a tendancy in his edit practices.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 28/6/2011 Changes the municipal seal logo of the Palestinian city of Hebron, with a population of over 150,000 people to a logo of the 500 or so Israeli settler community and adds the edit summary of "how can both fit?"
2. 6/6/2011 Adds Re-adds a tit-for-tat explanation of the occupation of the Mount of Olives in East Jerusalem saying that is occupied with the authority of God.
3. 28/6/2011 Adds the word "Nabi" (Arabic for prophet) for the transliteration of "Qabr Yusuf", Although the Arabic text in the article has no mention of the word "Nabi". Here, he misrepresented a translation in an effort to push a POV in support of a controversial view that Palestinians believe it is the tomb of the prophet Joseph.
4. 8/5/2011 Changes the caption of protesters at an Ahava store to say they were occupying the store. He then added in his edit summary "employing tactics of the enemy" (which is obviously a reference to Israel occupying the West Bank and these protesters in the picture being against said occupation).

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Chesdovi has served numerous bans for his behavior in the I/P area, his most recent being a 72 hour topic ban, in which he violated flagrantly as shown by these diffs:

Enforcement action requested

topic ban

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Chesdovi is a very knowledgeable contributer, especially in the realm of Jewish history. But the diffs provided in this request show that he quite often falls off the wagon and disregards WP policy.

1. The discussion was opened after you made the edit. And it was not opened by you, but by Nableezy.

2. You re-added information that was needly quite rightly deleted in the first place. I will strike and correct.

3. I am sure you know that the transliteration that follows the translation of a word is just that -- the transliteration. I will not go around making edits to Russian transliterations in articles unless I fully understand the translations that precedes it. But I don't really buy that. That is because the word for prophet in Arabic and in Hebrew are almost identical (nabi -AR, navi-HE). Not to mention Joseph's Tomb is almost identical in both languages as well (Qabr Yusuf - AR, Kever Yosef - HE). So I assume, for someone with your knowledge Hebrew, it would be extraordinarily easy to determine that "nabi" in Arabic means the same as "navi" in Hebrew, which is the word for prophet.

4. Sorry, but what are you talking about? It is quite clear from this photo that the protesters are not occupying the Ahava store -- they are standing outside of it. What is quite sinister, though, is that you felt like you needed to misrepresent the photo by adding an inaccurate caption that says they "occupying" the store, and labeling your edit summary as "employing the tactics of the enemy." It seemed pretty clear that you knew what I was saying, as you provided another picture of protesters actually occupying an Ahava store on my talk page.

Your topic ban violations were quite clear: you were banned from editing the I/P area for 72 hours, and makes an edit to the Palestine Israel collaboration page. As far as my edit for Anabta, I copied the article text directly from my sandbox after hours of translating and attempting to improve the article, I didn't notice your edit about the electric network, I just noticed the edit you made about the Municipality. I then, very civilly brought up the issue of Jewish, Christian and Druze population in the town to your talk page. You didn't even respond. Please refrain from saying such things about me complaining about "there ever being Jews in the village". That is not true, and it hints that you are accusing me racism (as you didn't even mention the part about Christians or Druze)-- which I don't take lightly. -asad (talk) 21:16, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Chesdovi

Statement by Chesdovi

1. This has been reported while a discussion at talk on two pages has ensued. Hebron is about the whole city and there is no reason why one logo of the PNA should be shown in the infobox while the seal of the Israeli section of the city is left out. I tried to make both fit but could not accomplish it and ended up leaving the alternative logo in position.
2. Weird point. Text was added by IP, removed by Zero, re-added by myself, removed and re-added by Asad and still appears?
3. I don’t read Arabic, but found in a RS that this was it’s name in Arabic. Who says that the Arabic is beyond the need of editing anyway. It’s not cited and is obviously wrong and Asad should have corrected it.
4. Also very strange and sinister point to raise here. Why? Because Asad himself later agreed to use the term. Asad claimed “Please see dictionary definition of "occupation"”. I duly gave it to him: I like to keep you occupied.

• With regard to the so-called violation of the topic ban, by flagrantly removing some images of a synagogue, I realized my grievous error and revert in a couple of minutes. The other diffs are of talk pages. Hardly a violation. Nableezy does not seem to have noticed this?

These are general, run of the mill edits. Asad is using strained accusations, made to impede my editing. It is a lame and feeble attempt to try and frame me. I must add that Asad removed reference to Israel’s efforts of behalf of the Arabs of Anabta when he did this , removing references in the history section about Israel giving the village local council by Israel in recognition of its superior development and its connection to the Israeli Electricity Network. He also complained of there ever being Jews in the village, despite RS to the contrary. There are others, but I don’t slyly follow other people around and collect up chaff, poisioning it and leaving it for enemy fodder. Chesdovi (talk) 17:59, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

@Nableezy is not being clear. There was never any objection to me adding the Israel infobox separatly. The only objection so far is having the Israeli seal in the Palestinian infobox, not having it as a separate entity. If Nab wants to interpret my edits the way she has, so be it. AFAIAC the isreli infobox addition is compromise until a conclusion is reached. Yet Nab deletes the Isralei infobox on the basis of only her objection. Chesdovi (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

@Asad. 1. Topic bans do not affect talk pages. 2. Was it you or Zero who added material from the 1931 census and delibertaly left out Jews? Chesdovi (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• 1. In my opinion, the both seals should feature. Indeed, the discussion was opened after my edit by Nambia. The discussion has continued, without me replacing it. Just in case you do not get it: User A edits. User B reverts edit and objects. User A embarks on discussion to solve dispute. (User A does not replace image while discussion is taking place.) That's how thing work. By adding in the summary "Can both fit?" is a clear signal that I feel both seals are needed to truly represent the city. Leaving one without the other is not right. Therefore to have changed the image to the alternative one is in my mind not altering the status of the infobox, as both are equally as valid as each other. I looked at the code and saw that it was not possible to have both, so left my version. You did not even ever comment at the discussion. You should be banned.

  2. It was not "quite rightly deleted". Zero reworded the whole section and deliberately left it out (as she did with Anabta's Jews). For some reason you also added it. So I cannot for the life of see why I should be held to account for this, while when you added it, that’s okay? I re-added material inadvertently (?) removed and get sanctioned for it. Or are we not allowed biblical references on such articles? I re-add it and get blocked. You re-add it and nothing happens. And it is still there? Go figure. You should be banned.

  3. Misplaced Pages is about editing. If there is an error, I will fix it. If you don't like it, rather than storing it and reporting it later, which seems a bad move, ask for explanation: You may think The word "nabi" is not even in "قبر يوسف", I don't know why this got added. Just because قبر يوسف happens to be written, it does not mean we cannot edit it. It is called Qabr en-Nabi Yūsuf in RS, that's why I added it. The question is why did you delete material from Reliable Sources to push your POV that the biblical Joseph is not buried here when it is quite clear that this is the view of the vast amount of RS? You should be banned.

  4. Admit that you had no idea that the term "occupation" could be used in this way until I showed you English usage. Standing outside is still considered occupying it. So there. (Unless you want to claim Gaza is not under occupation since Israeli is not "in" it, only "standing outside"!) Then photo shows they are occupying the store. Period. You just had a little buzz about the edit summary. The image caption was valid. You should be banned.

  5. Editing the Palestine Israel collaboration page under topic ban is not a violation.

  6. Well you better start "noticing" things then, because you did keep the population statistics I added. I did not need to respond after Zero replied. Chesdovi (talk) 10:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Chesdovi

Along with the above edit at Hebron in which Chesdovi replaces the seal of the city with the seal of a committee of settlers in the city, Chesdovi is continuing with this tendentious editing as seen here, in which the user re-adds the seal, but adds a complete infobox for the settlers committee. The inclusion of such was objected to by two users; when Chesdovi made the initial edit and was reverted he attempted to justify his actions at a user talk page (see here). I also opened a section on the article talk page about this. Despite having no consensus for such an edit he continues to attempt to push into the article this material, completely disregarding the objections of others and making no attempt to follow the procedures at WP:DR. This goes beyond "POV-pushing" into disruption. If the user was willing to not continue with such blatantly tendentious and disruptive editing then I for one would be fine with no topic ban. But the user has shown no willingness to slow down and attempt to gain consensus for his edits. nableezy - 20:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Remember when we were kids and the teacher would ask the class a question? We'd stretch our hand up excitedly, dying to get called on, barely able to stop ourselves from jumping out of our seats. Instead of calling on us, though, Mrs. Social Studies called on Zack. But that didn't matter – we couldn't contain ourselves and blurted the answer out anyway. In response to which the teacher gave us a stern stare and barked, "Is your name Zack?" That was when we were twelve.

Nableezy (talk · contribs), "Are you an Admin?" It was only the day before yesterday that you said, with what sounded like genuine conviction at the time, "this page needs to do away with the comments by involved editors." How about practicing what you preach instead of waxing indignant one moment and then turning around and doing the same exact thing you were critical of everyone else for? There's a word for that. It starts with an h.

Or how about, instead of badgering Chesdovi (talk · contribs) five minutes after he starts filing an AE, and proceeding to bombard the page with five (five!) edits in rapid succession, you chill out and restrain yourself? At least try, for goodness' sake.—Biosketch (talk) 07:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Biosketch, apparently you haven't seen the nasty stuff that has been going on at that article and elsewhere by Special:Contributions/FindersSyhn (including threats to kill people) and Special:Contributions/Nasleezy that seems to have been inadvertently but predictably triggered by Chesdovi's provocative actions, which I'll admit I assumed were nothing more than some kind of pointy joke knowing him, (and Nableezy simply being alive/an Arab/whatever). So, some perspective on what badgering is and the kind of truely hateful idiotic and infantile nonsense people have to put up with here if they try to enforce policy would be good too. Just saying. Sean.hoyland - talk 07:46, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

While I admit I didn't look too closely into the case itself, it doesn't detract from my argument. I have my own issues with Chesdovi (talk · contribs) over an unrelated set of articles, and I appreciate what you're saying. But my point was that there are Admins who examine these AEs. They're grown men, presumably capable of distinguishing a solid case from a frivolous one. And the thing is, I happened to very much agree with Nableezy (talk · contribs) two days ago when he argued that comments from uninvolved editors don't belong on this page. They turn AE into a venue for mudslinging and for people like Tarc (talk · contribs) to come out of nowhere and throw darts at editors he dislikes. Then why couldn't User:Nableezy stick to his own argument? I keep going through the same cycle with him over and over: for a few instants I think, maybe the guy's not so bad after all and just gets a hard time here – only to have my hopes dashed the next instant and wonder, what the hell??—Biosketch (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Result concerning Chesdovi

This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.

I'm going to deal with this request along with the one below. I find this request actionable, in that it shows that Chesdovi has edited tendentiously on articles related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, as demonstrated by the first, second, and fourth diffs. (I will not evaluate the third diff as I'm unfamiliar with Arabic.) In addition, I find the filing of an entirely frivolous and obviously retaliatory AE request to be clear evidence of battleground behavior from Chesdovi.

A sanction is accordingly appropriate. Chesdovi has been previously blocked and topic banned several times for disruptive editing related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Consistent with my view, shared by at least one other admin that is involved in ARBPIA enforcement, that liberal use of topic bans is necessary to control the deterioration of editor conduct in this topic area, I'm going for a sanction that is lengthier than the normally presumptive length for AE topic bans.

For the reasons stated above, and under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, Chesdovi (talk · contribs) is hereby banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces, for one year. This ban may be appealed following the procedures set out in Misplaced Pages:ARBPIA#Appeal of discretionary sanctions; however, I will not consider any appeal until at least three months have elapsed. T. Canens (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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