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DYK redux

Hey, MRG. We've got a complete repeat of last year's DYK debacle, no change, DYK regulars denying the problem, a repeat offender with hundreds of DYKs that DYK continues to run to this day, no change whatsoever from the issues of last October. I think a copyvio investigation may need to be opened? Please see WT:DYK and User talk:Billy Hathorn. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:00, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, dear. :/ I've added some thoughts there. I'll try to take a look tomorrow when I'm back at my home computer to see if a CCI seems advisable here, unless somebody else has already done so. I see that somebody is talking to the contributor about it. --Moonriddengirl 20:02, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
If a Copyvio investigation is opened on Billy, please contact me. He is the largest uploader of files to Misplaced Pages by bytes uploaded, and I had the pleasure of going though all of them looking for copyvios. About two dozen went to PUF, one or two wound up at FfD by accident, there's links to the affair on his talk page, but long story short he dosen't understand that he can't photograph someone else's work and then release it under a free license as his own work. Sven Manguard Wha? 03:32, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
MRG, he is much too big of a problem for me to take on alone, DYK has done zero about him and has allowed him to continue for at least three years since he was last discussed, and Iridescent was taken to task at ANI (according to his post?) for trying to do something about him. I'd rather tackle the bigger problem at its source-- that DYK coddles, enables, and supports editors who have no business writing anything on Misplaced Pages, much less placing it on the mainpage. Every single piece that I have looked at from this editor has numerous flaws: I am truly uncertain if a CCI is needed, or if admin sanctions should be requested at this point through ANI, or if an RFC would be best. I'm stumped, but what is clear is that no one is doing anything. At least he's not creating content as of two days ago: I fear no one will ever clean up the hundreds and hundreds of policy violating articles he has created, and I credit DYK for feeding and enabling this kind of editing. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:27, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Hi, Sandy. By no means should you have to take it on by yourself. I'll look into the CCI question (I've just finished up my talk page responses), and if you think that the DYK approach itself needs modification, that would seem to be worth an RFC or something of its own. CCI is not set up for admin sanctions, but I'll look and see where Iridescent discusses taking the matter to ANI, and a spot-check of contribs for issues might clarify. --Moonriddengirl 16:33, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I have been looking at his contribs for a bit (whilst also packing to fly to SF tomorrow) and have found one article that is clearly a problem. Many of the sources he uses are not accessible to me, which makes it difficult to assess how widespread of an issue this is. I will keep looking, but for now I have to chip at the massive backlog at CP for a bit. --Moonriddengirl 18:48, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
Update: There is now a CCI request on Billy link. Sven Manguard Wha? 19:50, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Records

I have informed you how to appeal your ban. It is not through me. I will not be discussing this matter with you any further. --Moonriddengirl 11:56, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.


Re this section User talk:Moonriddengirl/Archive 37#Help! (no. 59, 10th July), I took your advice and look what happened MuZemike, no. 20.

You've previously said that it's important for us to keep accurate records, so can you restore my evidence to the record of the community ban discussion? 195.195.89.70 (talk) 11:47, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

This was not advice, but a simple statement of fact, unless you're talking about a different talk page. Clearly, WP:ANI is not your talk page, and you are unwelcome to contribute to it so long as you are blocked and particularly now that you are banned. While I feel it inappropriate to remove a section that includes comments from others, removing your comments is in keeping with policy until you negotiate a return to Misplaced Pages. Because you are banned, I will not be talking to you further about this, but please see Misplaced Pages:BAN#Appeals and discussions for accepted procedures for appeal. --Moonriddengirl 15:11, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Margaret, as I have neither a computer nor an email account, the guidance to which you refer is of little use to me. The following remarks are addressed to you as Liaison Officer with the WMF and thus have nothing to do with membership of the project.

The following false and damaging claims have been posted on this website: Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard#Community ban proposal:Vote (X) for Change and references in the banning log to "vandalism", sockpuppetry and a link to the above. Both documents are permanent records, visible worldwide. They are partisan and inflammatory and the allegations are untrue. In particular, the word "vandalism" nowhere appears in the discussion, and in the log the link is held out to be a full and accurate record of the discussion, which contains not one diff to back the allegations. It is in fact a vote - stacking exercise by corrupt administrators desperate to save their own necks.

You say that "removing comments is in keeping with policy". I do not think so. A ban comes into effect when the discussion is closed, and the comments were posted before it was closed. In any event, Courcelles was not qualified to close it, being "involved" as (s)he had a few minutes earlier blocked me while the SPI remained open. The guidance requires the subject of the discussion to be notified for the purpose of filing a response. It is implicit in that that once filed the response must not be tampered with.

The "sockpuppetry" allegation should be balanced by reference to the following. No administrator may ban unilaterally. The so - called "indefinite" block was intended to be infinite and therefore invalid. The attempt to validate it by the ban discussion initiated last year failed.

As indefinite siteban is the ultimate sanction it can only be enforced if specifically asked for. Consensus is never a simple tally of votes - it is affected by the severity of the sanction proposed and duplicate or involved votes are discounted. Although the guidance does not set a fixed tariff, for bureaucratship the level is 90%, and for an indefinite siteban it must be at least that.

Please let me know how you wish to handle this. Can you (in order of preference) provide me with (a) your telephone number (b) your email address (c) your mailing address? If you do not wish to reveal your telephone number publicly it may be possible for me to get someone to email you with my telephone number. If I do not hear from you it will be apparent that you recognise that the "ban" is invalid. Best wishes. 195.195.89.70 (talk) 09:43, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

By replying to my post Margaret has already indicated that she wishes the thread to remain. Please do not hassle her. Also do not hassle me - comments such as "borderline threatening MRG -- toddle off now" are very juvenile and your removal of her comment is blockable - I would advise you not to try that stunt again. 92.24.107.88 (talk) 11:52, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Every corporation must provide a physical mailing address to which communications may be sent. Please provide yours, preferably with the name and department of the person who will be handling this. Best wishes. 86.162.234.186, 16:45, 25 July 2011.

To SpacemanSpiff -- England 474 - 8 dec & 269 - 6 dec bt India 286 & 261 by 196 runs. (I used to work in the tickertape room). Hope you enjoyed the cricket. The inflammatory material has been taken down but there is still a link to it which needs to be removed as well. Over here we are told to be wary of websites which do not provide a physical mailing address - Misplaced Pages doesn't. There is a local contact, who bid to bring the Wikimania conference to Oxford a few years ago, but it seems that all we can do for the moment is await Margaret's return. I note that ErrantX, who is a key player in this, unsuccessfully ran for the Board a few weeks ago :)93.96.149.196 (talk) 20:59, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Margaret, Have you been following what's been happening on ANI? They have now started removing other editors' comments from the page. Can you step in and restore order? 94.194.158.164 (talk) 15:36, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Anatolia

It seems that good chunks of this article: Anatolia are copy/pasted from this copyrighted source: . I was going to slap a {{subst:copyvio}} template on the article, but thought I'd ask about it first.Volunteer Marek (talk) 01:53, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. :) That one looks like a problem under Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism rather than a copyvio, since the source is public domain. It should have {{Country study}} at the top of the reference section. I'm not sure how long ago this content was placed--it might have predated that guideline. Alas, I don't have time to check it out further. I've got to run finish packing! But I've placed the attribution tag, even though the link doesn't seem to be working. :/ --Moonriddengirl 11:50, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
You were missing the abbr parameter ("abbr=tr"), apparently it's required even if you have the country name. I've fixed it and moved it to an inline reference at the end of the climate section though if others sections also copy it they should be go the footnote as well. With the exception of that (and it could be separate templates linking to the individual sections of the work if someone wants to go that far), I believe it is as fixed as is necessary per Misplaced Pages:Plagiarism#Repairing plagiarism.--Doug. 12:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! So... I got a few more but it looks like you're quite busy. What should I do with them? Honestly, I have a suspicion that with everything going on right now (DYK etc.) once people start scratching the surface they'll find out that half the Misplaced Pages is all copyvios, plagiarism and close paraphrasing. Which would mean way too many problems and way too few resources. Don't know if I want to wish that upon you. Again, thanks!Volunteer Marek (talk) 16:24, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Ok, here's another one (two actually), and this one's a GA: Ein Avdat, stuff taken from here and here (both websites indicate their sources which appear to be copyrighted and checking the Wayback Machine at least the first one dates back to 2000, whereas the article was created in 2009), and maybe here . I haven't checked the other sources used in the article. Since this is a GA I listed it for review (I'm not clear on the exact nuts and bolts of the GAR process so I'm not sure if I followed it correctly). However I thought you might want to take a look since the whole GAR process may take time.

The same user also created Al-Muallaq Mosque in december 2008, which is verbatim from here - this site existed in December 2007 with that text . In this case though I'm not sure what the exact nature of the site is, it appears to be at least partially user generated content so I'm not sure what the copyright status here is (it may even be possible that the same person created both entries). Volunteer Marek (talk) 06:00, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

More CV GAs

In addition to the GAs I brought up above , Gazette Building (Little Rock, Arkansas) also appears to be mostly copied verbatim from here (DD: ), which predates the creation of the article on Misplaced Pages (May 2008 vs. Nov 2007), and which is a copyrighted source . I think. I really could use a second pair of eyes to make sure I'm checking these things correctly.

I found additional copying from other sources. The article is now blanked. I also found a WP:FAKEARTICLE copy (User:Tdmcg82/Sandbox) which I also blanked. MER-C 09:44, 30 July 2011 (UTC)


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Quoting without intext attribution

user:Miradre

Hi MRG.

This user has been adding non-free content to the article Criticism of evolutionary psychology, Four of their edits have essentially copy-pasted segments from journal articles, where there was no reason not to paraphrase. Miradre's native language is not English and they do not write fluently in English. They have adopted the policy of adding some content to articles by copy pasting content and placing it in quotes, without direct attribution; there has been no attempt at paraphrase. The four edits that were copyvios are all described on the talk page of the article. The fourth edit was made even after the precise policy for directly quoting text had been explained to Miradre. In this fourth edit they simply added quote marks around the copy-pasted passage with no attribution. I have not looked carefully at whethe Miradre's other edits have followed the same patterrn. I do know that exactly the same problem of copy-pasting instead of paraphrasing occurred on Malaria. Because of the quality of Miradre's written English, copy-pasting of this type is easy to detect. After Miradre's wikibreak and enforced change of subject, following a topic ban, I have the nagging doubt that many of their edits are being done in this way. What is the best way to proceed? Mathsci (talk) 23:23, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Complaints about Mathsci

If you look at Mathsci's edit the last 3 days he has done little except followed me around Misplaced Pages. Including to articles he has never edited before and made complaints and reverted my edits (almost never due to copyright claims). As well as making complaints to several different noticeboards. This seems to me to be just another, new part of his harassment campaign. But I welcome any scrutiny. I may certainly on occasion have made unintentional mistakes, such as missing direct attribution for quotes in addition to the footnote, but if so they are IMHO rather minor. I have always marked sources and certainly not copy-pasted lengthy texts.Miradre (talk) 00:03, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Anybody can edit wikipedia articles. I have made hardly any edits to articles recently (indeed this year). I added a tag about the inadequate lead of Criticism of evolutionary psychology after Miradre's removed most of it. It is an article that many people watch. With Itsmejudith I monitored Miradre's controversial changes to academia. I am unaware that I have reported Miradre at multiple noticeboards. Miradre did suggest that Itsmejudith and I, as presumed academics, should not be editing academia because of a WP:COI. Itsmejudith and I then both separately and independently queried Miradre's charges of COI at WP:COIN, Miradre's position was not supported; he was given a warning by Atama not to harrass me. Mathsci (talk) 01:20, 26 July 2011 (UTC)
I fear that Mathsci's answer misses some of the points. Le me help to elucidate.
Need I go on? A.B.C.Hawkes (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

May I have a deleted article, please?

I noticed you are part of this group. I was wondering if it would be possible to get this article (and its history for attribution purposes)? Perhaps it could be placed here for 24 hours so that I may have a chance to recreate it at another website. Thanks for your time. Cogitating (talk) 05:05, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

I moved it for you.--SPhilbrickT 22:21, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, Sphilbrick. I got the article and history, so I marked it {{db-u1}} since I'm done. Cogitating (talk) 01:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Whoot! Thanks, Sphilbrick. :D --Moonriddengirl 18:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Assistance

Hello Moonriddengirl, a user has reccomended you to check over my free use rationale... if you don't mind :) My image is not yet uploaded, and I want to place it on a certain article, but a user states that I'm not giving enough reasoning for placing a non free image on the page.

Non-free media information and use rationale true for Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole
Description

This is a picture from the movie, Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole. © Warner Brothers Pictures

Source

This image can be found at the website, www.movies.about.com ()

Article

Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole

Portion used

The entire image is used to convey the meaning intended and avoid tarnishing or misrepresenting the intended purpose of the image.

Low resolution?

This image is of a caertain size and resolution sufficient to maintain the quality intended by the company or organization, without being unnecessarily in high resolution.

Purpose of use

An images that specifys other characters in the film. This should be adressed to readers when reading the plot to identify the characters with their names, (with the exeption of one character in the image). Other than the current image in the infobox, this picture gives clear names to define the four main characters in the film.

Replaceable?

Any substitute that is not a derivative work would fail to convey the meaning intended, would tarnish or misrepresent its image, or would fail its purpose of identification or commentary.

Other information

© Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole, is a copyright of Warner Brothers Entertainment All rights reserved.

Fair useFair use of copyrighted material in the context of Legend of the Guardians: The Owls of Ga'Hoole//en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Moonriddengirltrue

Monkeys 9711 (talk) 21:30, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry I could not get back in touch with you more quickly, but I've been traveling and had only been able to respond to one message during my trip. (I generally work from the bottom up.) I'm afraid that I'm really not the best person, though, to give you feedback on this. I don't do that much work with non-free image rationales. I would myself wonder why we need an image of these owls, when there are owls depicted in the non-free poster already in use in the article. :) But you may get more valuable feedback if you ask at WT:NFC. --Moonriddengirl 15:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Is this a case of closeparaphrasing?

Ref Sidalcea nelsoniana. Using Duplicate detector on the very first source itself, I found a slew of commonalities of very short phrases. Is it a case of fair use or copyvio? AshLin (talk) 18:19, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

If I may interject as a an editor who has contributed to many botanical articles and created some, it is extraordinarily difficult to come up with totally new ways of saying things about plants and their distribution that do not use the same words as other sources. If a flower spike has up to 100 individual flowers, that what all the sources will say, but it doesn't make it a copyvio. If it only lives in a particular locality then all sources are going to call the place by the same name. I think the editors here have done a pretty good job of re-phrasing and re-organising information to keep as far from copy-vio as possible. That my personal opinion but I won't be offended if other think I've got it wrong!  Velella    22:12, 27 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm inclined to agree with you in this case, Velella. Mind you, I've just flown back from a trip and am a bit hazy, but it looks to me like an occasion where scientific language limits diversity to a certain extent. While we still have to watch out for following more closely than necessary in such cases, I think this one is probably okay. :) --Moonriddengirl 18:38, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Reminder: New Page Copyright Issue

Hi, earlier last month we were discussing how to best rewrite an article I was creating in order to answers copyright and notability concerns. I think I have fully addressed those concerns, but since the article had been removed once previously I was hoping to get your opinion before trying to re-create the page. I just wanted to give you a kind reminder that the proposed page is available on my user page. Thanks again for all of your time and assistance. It is sincerely appreciated.Win.monroe (talk) 19:52, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Oh, thank you for the reminder, although this is a little longer than I expected when I asked you to remind me again in a few days. :D I'm afraid that this is twice now that you've caught me traveling. I think the copyright concerns are addressed, but notability concerns are far more difficult to predict. It seems like, aside from primary sources, you've got two news articles-- and ? Can you find any more? I personally tend to be very conservative with that in terms of creating my own articles, and the more indepth references there are to this in secondary sources, the less likely you are to run into trouble! --Moonriddengirl 16:33, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Wrestling with the best approach to some apparent copyvios

Hi, Moonriddengirl – Atama offered your name as someone who might be able to help on a copyvio issue that I’ve encountered. (She did not actually recommend you as a first choice, you being as busy as you are, but her praise was high and I am lazy. Feel free to push me off in another direction if you haven’t got time.) An editor appears to have used too-closely paraphrased copyrighted material in more than one article he has created; but because I’ve been in content and other disputes with him, I think it’s inappropriate for me to try to remedy the situation by myself. In addition, he has already filed one ANI report on concerning me, here, and he’s got a quick trigger finger. I have little appetite for another even if it is swept away as easily as the first. Finally I’m uncertain about where or how to report the problems I suspect but haven’t got evidence for. WP:CCI seems right, broadly, but the instructions seem to counsel against my filing anything based on what I’ve got, and the dispute (which I’m assuming for now to be continuing).

The disputes and their resolution are all pretty well laid-out in the ANI. It’s not that long; let me know if you want to see more.

User:Ken keisel created an article last week, Anthony A. Mitchell, which was a close paraphrase of Mitchell’s Washington Post obituary. Text was reordered, but sentences or phrases were often left largely intact. Upon realizing this, I blanked the page and put up a template notice. Within a few hours and despite a copyvio warning from SarekOfVulcan, Ken restored the article to more or less the same state it had been in before I'd blanked it, arguing that facts can’t be copyrighted (well, true) and that his (lightly) revised version of the Post’s obit was fine (I disagree). He’s now blocked for a week. Since then Ken, still with access to his Talk page, has challenged Sarek to address Ken's assertion that the reintroduced text is fine under the copyright laws.

This unapologetic response made me wonder if perhaps the Mitchell article was not the only instance in which he’d copy & pasted material, and a quick review of just some of the 40+ articles he has created turned up one clear instance of shuffled paraphrasing, Kokosing_Gap_Trail, (the "Nature" section in particular) taken from here, as well as a fragmentary example of close paraphrasing, Olentangy_Park#The_1910s from here. I am guessing that other parts of that page are not original, and came from sources covering other decades. Several other articles, including Noguchi_table and Marshmallow sofa, are written in a style that does not seem to match the (admittedly limited) samples of Ken’s prose that I’ve seen in the course of my dealings with him, and while I’m suspicious of those, they cite extensive off-line sources and aren't as easily checked.

The upshot is that I have some but not a lot of evidence, plus some reasonable suspicion, that an editor has over a period of time been pulling together material from various sources, jiggering it around a bit and then adding it to Misplaced Pages. It's also possible that I'm making too much out of this and should find something else to do. In either case I think it’s inappropriate, in light of my history with him, to undertake remedies on my own; not to mention that I lack the expertise to detect and evaluate additional copyvios – if any – in any but the most blatant of cases.

What do you think is a proper course of action here? Thanks for any and all advice. JohnInDC (talk) 02:15, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I am traveling (will be flying home today), but this is concerning. :/ Looking at Kokosing Gap Trail, I can certainly see the issue you find. His defense that facts are not copyrightable is a familiar one, but cannot be used to excuse such close following as "it's not uncommon to see deer, wild turkey or a great blue heron skimming the top of the Kokosing River in search of food" to represent the fact that deer, wild turkey and blue heron are local residents--not when the source says, "It's not uncommon to see deer, hear the gobbles of wild turkeys or see a blue heron skimming the top of the river looking for food." There's obviously been an effort to rewrite, but the evocative imagery of the herons skimming the river is highly creative.
The proper course of action for you, in my opinion, was to do exactly as you have done--note the issue and point it out to somebody who is not involved with him to follow up. Needless to say, I'm going to have a lot to do when I get back to my desk, but I will add looking into his contribs to that list. :) Sarek has explained to him some of Misplaced Pages's norms, but there may be additional cleanup to be done.
(Anybody waiting for an answer from me above, I have only a few minutes before I have to get ready to fly home, but I hope to be able to catch up over the weekend.) --Moonriddengirl 14:58, 29 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. This is helpful and reassuring. Let me know if there's anything else I can do. JohnInDC (talk) 20:33, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Re BOI again

Hi MRG :)

I've received a reply from the BOI admin. He has some trouble filling in the blanks of one paragraph:

"I agree to "

Also, he wonders whether he really is not going to have any chance of withdrawing the agreement in the future, which he thinks is a little problematic as there can always happen something unexpected. I also think it's a bit weird because after all he's making us a favour and I understand why he would not like to be "trapped" forever.

Thank you. Shahid17:43, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

The standard choice is perfectly fine, if he wants to go for that. :)
In terms of it being irrevocable, I'm afraid that there's nothing we can do about that one. :/ Content that is published on Misplaced Pages, as you know, is widely reused elsewhere and it could even be fixed in print, which is one reason why the license cannot be withdrawn. It's the same for each of us; every time we hit save, we "irrevocably agree" to license our content. --Moonriddengirl 15:58, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Non free use rationale

Hi, I don't know if you missed my comment above, but could you please check over my rationale? I need to know if it is good quickly, as I need to respond to another user. Monkeys 9711 (talk) 00:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Hi. I'll answer up there. :) --Moonriddengirl 15:51, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

(insert generic topic name here)

(Yeah, I was too lazy to make up a section name) I keep forgetting to ask this, but I just wanted to make sure of this for once. This user was a alt account I made, simply because that username is what I use on youtube. (not trying to advertise) (basically, I don't want someone impersonating me by using my youtube username) Since this is the case, would it be a allowed legit alt account, even though I'll likely never use it? LikeLakers2 (talk) 00:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Not explicitly, but I doubt that it's a harmful use of a secondary account. What you do need to do, though, is claim it. :) See WP:SOCK#NOTIFY. Step 2 is the way to go here. It can help you avoid misunderstandings down the road. --Moonriddengirl 15:42, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Looking for TPS with merge/cut and paste experience

This is not so much for MRG as for her knowledgeable TPS. I want to do something, while preserving the history, and I have no experience with the cut and paste and merge techniques designed to preserve editing history.

I'll try to give a short summary here, but the longer details are at my talk page: here

Short version: The current text in Haroon Rashid was added by a single editor with two edits in history, both on 4 July 2011. The first edit blanked the page, the second add the text you see now. (other minor edits has added cats etc.) I don't think it would survive a BLProd, but if it did, it would almost certainly fail an AfD. I do think the redirect of Haroon Rashid Harun al-Rashid. However, if the current version is deleted, the edit history would be lost. What I would like to do is carve out the existing text into a new article, Haroon Rashi (engineer), let that one stand or fall on its own merits (BLProd, and AfD if needed), and restore the main article to the status of a redirect.

I don't know how to do that and preserve the edit "history" of User:Cutehr.

Suggestions?--SPhilbrickT 13:02, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't the simplest thing be to move the entire page to the new article title (reverting to the proper version if need be), then recreate the redirect at the current title? LadyofShalott 13:38, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
If I'm following you, that was my original plan. However, I anticipate that article being deleted. The article has a long history including an original formulation as a (non-notable) security manager. While not much would be lost, I'd hate to lose that history, in case someone whats to know what happened. The ne redirect would have no history, and if someone came along to add the security manager or the engineer, the page history would give no clue. Maybe that's not the end of the world, but I hate to through away the institutional history (I realize it wouldn't be totally gone, but what are the odds, a year form now, that someone would know to search for the deleted article Haroon Rashi (engineer) and review that history to find the real history of the page? Or maybe that's not a big deal? I'm probably making a bigger deal of it than it deserves, but I didn't want to do something and find out there was a better way. --SPhilbrickT 14:29, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
I'm a bit jet-laggy (and just got back from a vet visit, as my pet sitter apparently didn't notice that my dog was getting hot spots), but if I'm following this correctly it seems like the thing to do is split the article. I'm going to look at it more closely and make sure that I'm not missing something...entirely possible under the circumstances. :D --Moonriddengirl 15:01, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
All right; I've separated out the four different articles that have existed at that title (!) and turned the page itself into a disambiguation page. It may well be that every one of those four should be deleted, but I'll leave that to others to work out. :) --Moonriddengirl 15:25, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I'm in the middle of some template work, but when I finish that I'll come back and take a look at the results, and start the deletion process where warranted. (I knew merge wasn't what I wanted, but I had a mind blank and didn't think about Split, partly cause I've never done one.)--SPhilbrickT 15:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
Understood. :) I've had to do a fair number of them; for some reason, I've come upon a lot of article hijacking in my career! --Moonriddengirl 18:35, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Your input appreciated

Hi MRG, you may remember a while back the issue we had with foundational copyvio at Vivian Balakrishnan, where we found text in the first diff identical to that on a government biography in 2004. It now appears this same text is available on his personal website licensed under a CC license. A number of anonymous IPs, likely the same user on a (very) dynamic IP, has repeatedly reinserted this material, going as far as to claim that the text "was obviously written by him too". My opinion is that we should err on the side of copyright and I absolutely do not buy what the anon editor is saying (there has been a much larger issue of pro-government POV pushing going on), but I will defer to your copyright expertise on whether or not this text is legit. Please be aware that the article currently contains this text, as it was readded today.

Thanks, Strange Passerby (talkcont) 15:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

It would be helpful here to date this website, but I haven't been able to get WhoIs information on it. :/ If you could ask somebody at the help desk, maybe they could help come up with that info, which would advise us how to proceed? --Moonriddengirl 15:49, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
There are no Wayback Machine archives for the site, which leads me to believe it is a fairly recent creation. Certainly, I don't think it was around in 2004. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 15:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
That would be my expectation as well, but it's hard to say for sure since I can't get any WhoIs information coughed up for the site. :) It would be best if we could find out more definitively the age of the website, and I'm afraid I've got quite a lot of backlog to take care of after traveling this week. :/ Maybe a talk page stalker will know? --Moonriddengirl 15:57, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
If it's of any use, the most simplest of checks shows that the archive of blog posts on his website show the first post being in July 2010. That would seem to suggest the site did not exist prior to that, at least in its current form. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 16:09, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
That may be what we have to settle for, then. --Moonriddengirl 16:15, 30 July 2011 (UTC)