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Current requests

User:Marcosantezana

Involved parties

Marcosantezana effectively acts as if he owns the Natural selection article.

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request

Also informed about filing this case are:

Put also notice at Natural selection page

Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by User:KimvdLinde

I fill this Request for Arbitration because it is impossible to constructively work on the Natural selection article, due to the behaviour of Marcosantezana. He deals with the page as if he owns it, and single handedly edits everything such that it fits his ideas about natural selection, and his discussion is primarily through the edit summaries . Other editors do not have a say in that. Anybody who disagrees can get a strong, and not always civil response. I and other editors have stopped the revert war because that was not leading towards a solution in this case and has already led to blocking of Marcosantezana, which he tried to evade using two different IP-addresses: Marcosantezana block log IP-one, blocked IP-two, semiprotect NatSel page.

Some quotes to show his attitude:

  • In response to 3RR warning User_talk:Marcosantezana#3RR_on_Natural_selection by Kzollman: do you know how to read? then do it below. i've made my point very clear many times beyond what you can read below; and the last time i did not "revert" (how horrible!) but rather eliminated the problem with a new, neutral formulation. it's the others who are truly being obnoxious on top of being wrong and insisting in peddling misleading "scholastic" garbage.
  • After being reminded to stay civil by Kzollman, he responded: so in that case you either don't know how to read or don't want to read. in either case you are disqualified from sermoning anybody about being civil. since when it is civil to pontificate to others when you do not know what's been going on? take drugs if you need to feel better at *any* cost. sermoning others gratuituously lets you appear like a fool. warmest regards -- ;)

I and others have repeatedly asked him to join the discussion example. He pretty much does not join in (or dumps some remarks at my user page with my response at his page. He has also been asked to respect consensus, but he has until now refused and kept editing the new lead introduction that was reached after some discussion. (I have not reinserted that version again as to avoid edit warring).

This unworkable situation has to stop. I and others want to work on this page, which for now is impossible due to the actions of a single editor. I want a decision that is wider reaching than this page, but covers all pages he edits, as I can see similar issues with these pages arising as well: Unit of selection and Kin selection. KimvdLinde 06:02, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Kzollman

Marcosantezana appears to refuse to engage in discussion with other editors on Natural selection. A quick comparision of the number of edits (many of which are reversions) at the history of natural selection with the number of comments at Talk:Natural selection demonstrate his unwillingness to engage in discussion. I am not a party to the content dispute which is occuring there, but I have interacted with Marco when his behavior has violated Misplaced Pages policies. He was brought to my attention for nearly violating the 3rr on Feb. 19 , , , . He avoided directly violating it by performing the last reversion outside of the 24hr period. I have no evidence that this was an intentional skirting of the rule and not just a happy accident. I warned him about the violation (noting that just barely missing the 24hr period is still a violation), to which he responded with the remarks quoted above. Slightly less than a month later, I noticed a second near violation of the 3rr. , , , . As I took this to be an attempt to game the rule, I blocked Marco for 24 hours. He evaded the block twice, and it was extended by User:TexasAndroid. Again, I'm not sure if he was aware that he shouldn't evade the block, although I can't imagine that he thought his behavior was acceptable. Certainly the second evasion was malicious, since he was warned about the first.

Attempts by many editors and by myself, as an administrator, to alter his behavior have been entirely unsuccessful. It was hope that he would emerge from the block realizing that his behavior would not be tolerated. However, it appears this is not the case. I am aware of at least one bonafide evolutionary biologist who has basically given up on the page as a result of this users actions. I hope that action by ArbCom might, if not change his behavior, make the page on Natural selection editible by others. --best, kevin 06:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be best if the "bona fide biologist" be named. If you are referring to me (although you could be referring to Pete.Hurd, who has been less active recently due to real life commitments), let me explain that I did not leave because of Marcos' edits particularly, but due to the two parties' inability to communicate effectively. Being an outsider in a debate does not automatically mean that your view is wrong. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 09:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Samsara

Valid points were being brought to the table by both sides. Overall, I would note that there was a lot of protectionism of various versions favoured by various editors going on. I would encourage the arbitrators to look into the edit history, edit summaries and talk page in some detail to understand more precisely what was happening.

I cannot recall having had an unfriendly interaction with Marcos. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 09:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Marcosantezana

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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

User:Deathrocker

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by Sceptre

I was first brought to this dispute 5 weeks ago while patrolling The 3RR noticeboard. Both users had violated WP:3RR, so it was a clear-cut case of a block. I extended the block to about 32 hours, listing my reason as 3RR, and to cool down. Stressed with the Userbox debate, I left Misplaced Pages for two weeks.

On Tuesday (14 March, 2006), I had recieved a message from Leyasu while just going to make a change to an article. This was then followed by Deathrocker with accusations of Leyasu "bullshitting" me. I later received diffs of this dispute. Deathrocker was not the only one attacking. Leyasu also made comments about him vandalising my talk page.

After two days, I blocked both users. Leyasu, for Arbcom breach, Deathrocker, for gross 3RR violation.

I admit I may have been biased to Leyasu by asking if there was any chance of baiting by Deathrocker.

Deathrocker, however, was not happy with my block. He continually requested an unblock, stating I was abusing my admin powers for blocking him for more than a day. I've been backed by several prominent users, User:Essjay, who said the block was fair, and User:Tawker after an outburst on IRC.

Still, Deathrocker disrupted on his talk page, and was blocked until after Easter.

Statement by Leyasu

Leyasu would prefer for the subpage on his/her user page for a statement.

Leyasu would also like it to be known, that Deathrocker's personal attacks about the subpage of his/her user page, has been cloned by Deathrocker, who has made replies to each accusation in the forms of personal attacks and failure to supply diffs.

Statement by Deathrocker

My reply to Leyasu's little shrine, is here on a subpage/user page.

Note: I just checked my email and saw Sceptre offered to post this for me, but I'd already done this, so thanks anyway...

Also Sceptre, I noticed in your comment it said something about IRC.... I don't and have never used IRC, just for the record. - DeathrockerComment 08:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

User:Phr vs. User:Sam_Sloan

Involved parties

All Parties are aware of this request

I have made a request for mediation in this dispute. User:Phr refused two days ago.

This dispute has gone on for more than three months since early December, 2005 and it is obvious that User:Phr and User:Rook_wave have no interest in settling this dispute.

Statement by User:Sam_Sloan

For the past 10 or 15 years, Paul Rubin who posts here as User:Phr has made thousands of postings to various chess forums, all of which have said basically the same thing, which is that membership dues of the United States Chess Federation should be reduced to zero or in any case to no more than $5, and that Paul Rubin should be allowed to play USCF rated chess without being required to join the USCF or required to subscribe to Chess Life magazine.

In general, Paul Rubin has been dismissed as a harmless crank, not to be taken seriously, and is often the brunt of jokes.

That is until two days ago when it was discovered that Paul Rubin is the same person as User:Phr who has been going about deleting the biographies of chess politicians he does not like.

Paul Rubin knows Tom Dorsch personally and now that we know who User:Phr is, we understand why User:Phr attacked the biography of Tom Dorsch with such vehemence, because Tom Dorsch was one of the chess politicians who raised the dues to $40.

When the biography of Tom Dorsch was first posted, User:Rook_wave vandalized it by deleting all but the first two lines. When this was reverted, User:Rook_wave then posted a AfD and then voted six times to delete. He was joined by User:Phr who voted five times to delete. More than that, every time a user voted to keep, he was attacked by User:Phr who accused that person of being my sock puppet or my meat puppet, even though he actually knew these people, having posted ten thousand times to Usenet, and knew that they were completely independent of me and not my friends.

As a result of the six votes to delete by User:Rook_wave and the five votes to delete by User:Phr the biography of Tom Dorsch was deleted, even though Tom Dorsch is one of the best known chess politicians in the world. Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Tom Dorsch

User:Phr is completely different from User:Rook_wave. User:Rook_wave is a German who lives in Germany. He does not seem to know anything about chess. Paul Rubin, a/k/a User:Phr, on the other hand is a very well known Bay Area chess personality, who has obvious animosity towards other Bay Area chess personalities. So, even though User:Phr and User:Rook_wave do not know each other, they team up and attack the same targets, which is in this case me.

User:Phr has substantially deleted or modified in a negative way the biographies of the following Bay Area chess personalities: Tom Dorsch, Batchimeg Tuvshintugs, Eric Schiller, John W. Donaldson and Elena Donaldson. He also substantially deleted the biography of Edward G. Winter who is known for his attacks on Eric Schiller whom User:Phr does not like.

Two days ago, User:Phr posted an AfD for speedy deletion for the biographies of Bessel Kok, Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio Cesar Ingolotti, Panupand Vijjuprabha, and Geoffrey Borg only five minutes after these biographies were first posted. These are all important personalities in their respective countries: Belgium, Turkey, Paraguay, Thailand and Malta. He got these biographies deleted by administrators who obviously did not know who they were, except for the first biography. When he was unable to get an administrator to delete the biography of Bessel Kok, he deleted almost all the content himself except for just a few lines.

In addition, Paul Rubin posted modifications to his own biography, which is a violation of Misplaced Pages rules.

This is a major dispute which has already lasted for more than three months and is not going to end, especially with the World Chess Olympiad starting in Torino, Italy on May 20. Therefore, the arbitration committee should consider this dispute. Sam Sloan 10:15, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Phr

Sloan goes on at length about Usenet posts irrelevant to Misplaced Pages. I'll skip most of it for brevity but will state that I don't know Tom Dorsch in person beyond having met him at chess tournaments once or twice in the early 1990's and spoken to him for a total of maybe one minute. I'm familiar with Dorsch's USCF activities mostly through Usenet. I'll also say that since Sloan posts his Misplaced Pages articles to Usenet, it shouldn't surprise anyone that Usenet readers spot the errors and come to Misplaced Pages to fix them. Also: Rook_wave is an internationally rated chessplayer of equivalent strength to a US national master , so the statement that he knows nothing about chess is absurd.

I declined mediation because Sloan's RFM asked for a "cease and desist" order against Rook_wave and myself, and that's outside the scope of what mediators can do. I'd actually be willing to enter a mediation process that could do that (i.e. one that could result in an agreement binding on Sloan and me and enforceable by admins), but Misplaced Pages does not have such a thing right now. As for the specific charges:

  1. Louis Blair (below) linked to the Tom Dorsch DRV which was one of several places where the multiple vote and sockpuppet issue was explained to Sloan. Sloan's earlier RFAR may also be of interest.
  2. Sloan recently took it on himself to campaign for Bessel Kok's slate of candidates in the upcoming FIDE election . He put a biography of Panupand Vijjuprabha (one of Kok's team) on Misplaced Pages, that was an obvious campaign piece that included stuff like Vijjuprabha's phone number. I felt this was non-notable so I made an AfD nomination to get community opinion (Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Panupand Vijjuprabha). I then noticed the article was pasted verbatim from Kok's group's web site without attribution, so I noted that (and gave the link) in the AfD. The bio was speedied as a copyvio a few minutes later.
  3. Sloan copied several more bios from the same source over the next hour. I entered SD requests for these, giving the source links . These too were speedied (Ali Nihat Yazici, Julio César Ingolotti, and Geoffrey Borg). I also briefly put up a SD request for Bessel Kok (mentioning his higher notability), but I then saw that Kok's bio contained a mixture of copied and non-copied material, so I took down my SD request and edited out the copied material. Except for Kok and Yazici, these people are non-notable (a few hundred Google hits at most).
  4. Sloan apparently in retaliation for the above deletions then put up a stupid attack bio about me (Paul Rubin) full of incorrect factoids. I entered an SD request (noting that I was the subject of the article) and put db-bio and db-attack tags at the top of the article, but I didn't modify the article text. I felt at the time that this procedure was ok. Sloan removed the tags and I didn't restore them. Another editor (at my request) then looked at the article and put in a db tag, and the article was speedied a few minutes later.
  5. My edit to the Eric Schiller article was to briefly explain a term related to Schiller's academic work . That Sloan sees this as a substantial negative modification indicates ownership issues on Sloan's part, WP:OWN. I'll add that I like Schiller just fine.
  6. Batchimeg Tuvshintugs is a chess player who placed 27th out of 32 in her section of the recent US championship, but scored several surprising upset victories over grandmasters in the early rounds, possibly because she was unknown and they underestimated her when they sat down to play. She then lost the rest of her games in the later rounds. Sloan wrote a puff-piece promotional bio ("I see no harm in trying to bring some publicity to a new player by saying that her result is 'perhaps' the best result for five games of any woman player in chess history" , i.e. Sloan decided he saw no harm in using Misplaced Pages as an outlet for public relations propaganda). I and another editor worked on the article to bring it closer to neutrality.
  7. John W. Donaldson and Elena Akhmilovskaya were (respectively) a US and a then-Soviet player, who met at a series of international chess tournaments in the 1980's and became romantically involved at those events. In 1988 at the chess Olympiad in Greece, they eloped and got married, and incident got wide press coverage (the elopement was necessary because it was hard for Soviets to get exit visas from the USSR in those days). The newlywed couple was interviewed many times and consistently denied any political motivation behind the marriage. But the two Misplaced Pages articles described EA's entry to the US as a defection, which has political overtones. I changed this to "elopement", a 3-second edit turning a POV term to a neutral one, the kind of easy incremental improvement that keeps Misplaced Pages moving towards reliability. Sloan rv'd the edits saying (with no documentation) that it really was a political defection , a contentious claim that insinuates that the Donaldsons had entered a marriage of convenience. I felt I had to fix the article because as a chess buff, I remembered the incident, but not many other Misplaced Pages editors were likely to recall such a thing. I then spent 1/2 an hour digging up an old newspaper article and adding a cite about how the couple met. This is a good example of Misplaced Pages's "Sloan problem". Since Sloan was the one wanting to use a contentious term, he, not me, should have been the one spending his time that way. Editors like Sloan discourage the small easy incremental improvements that Misplaced Pages depends on, by turning them into instances of "no good deed goes unpunished".

I actually do find Sloan's writing entertaining and sometimes informative, and I read it with interest (and many grains of salt) on Usenet and on his web site. Misplaced Pages is just not the right place for it, given its lack of sourcing (WP:V), its reliance on Sloan's personal knowledge (WP:NOR), and its opinionated approaches (WP:NPOV). I haven't had serious problems directly with Sloan til now. This is not an off-wiki dispute that spilled here; it's more like the other way around.

Although Sloan's filing of this RFAR didn't follow normal procedures, I hope that it's accepted and some measure is taken against Sloan (whether blocking, mentorship, or whatever), for the reasons I gave in his RFAR against Rook_wave, below. Louis Blair suggested the "users who exhaust the community's patience" clause in WP:BLOCK. Sloan has announced his intention to post more of his "biographies" for the upcoming Olympiad and they're likely to be full of his usual confabulation, each one a potential Seigenthaler incident in its own right, and I dread this. The situation is quite bad. Phr 05:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Rook wave

Comment by Sjakkalle

I would recommend to Sam Sloan that he refrain from filing requests for arbitration for a while. He has made a number of reasonable and valuable contributions to chess articles, but the fact is that many of them, especially biographies of living people lack adequate cited sources and don't comply with a neutral point of view. This is the reason many of his articles are trimmed down, or deleted outright as was the case with Tom Dorsch. For instance, if we look at the initial revisions of the Bessel Kok article, one which almost looks like a campaigning piece for his election, we see an attack on the current FIDE president Ilyumzhinov, accusing him of bribery. Again, the article lacks sources.

That articles don't remain the way we created them, and that some of the changes are ones we dislike is something all Misplaced Pages editors need to live with, indeed the editing screen says in big bold writing: "If you don't want your writing to be edited mercilessly or redistributed by others, do not submit it."

Sloan has previously filed an RFAr against the very dilligent and fair administrator Howcheng, and has filed another RFAr further down on this page very similar to this one. What we have here is a content dispute, or perhaps a off-wiki dispute which has spilled over to Misplaced Pages. If it's a content dispute it should be noted that in very many cases consensus has not been favorable to Sloan's revisions. Also, bringing this to arbitration when there is hardly any edits to the other parties' user-talkpages is, at the very least, premature. If it's an off-wiki dispute, it should remain off-wiki. I do not think that such disputes are the purview of Misplaced Pages's arbitration comitee. Therefore, I recommend rejection of this case as well, if not I think the case would be more about Sloan than the other parties Sloan has listed. Sjakkalle (Check!) 11:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment by an outsider

In his request for review of the Tom Dorsch deletion decision, Sam Sloan made similar claims about multiple votes. In response to such claims, Howcheng wrote, "recounting the votes on the discussion page shows only one legitimate keep vote, which is Mgm and seven valid delete votes: Jareth, Phr, Olorin28, Titoxd, TheRingess, Parallel or Together, pgk. I did not count any votes by anonymous users, as well as Andrew Zito (who just had some weird anti-Misplaced Pages rant) and Billbrock, who has a history with ." (17:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)) Rook wave wrote, "That I voted six times is of course ... just plain wrong. I made comments ..., but only voted once, as can be easily verified." (19:50, 7 March 2006 (UTC)) For details, see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Misplaced Pages%3ADeletion_review&diff=43217170&oldid=43215421

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Tom_Dorsch - Louis Blair (March 20, 2006)

Comment by Olorin28

I first contacted the article Tom Dorsch after a request for comment was filed, I believed by Rook Wave. Ater a glance at the article, and other articles written by Sam Sloan, it became very clear to me that he was using Misplaced Pages to express his point of view. The biographies he wrote about various chess personas consisted 90 percent of personal attacks, gossips and rants gleaned from what he called "reliable sources" from usenet. While I do not believe that the similar cases to that of Siegenthaler will surface here, I believe that the articles Sam Sloan writes are completely one-sided and expressed significant biase. Rook Wave, I believe, is correct in removing most of the attacks and rants from these articles. The request by Sam Sloan for Rook Wave to stop editing his articles is simply detrimental to the well-being of Misplaced Pages. Olorin28 03:49, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

User:Aucaman

Involved parties


All Parties are aware of this request

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:Aucaman#Request_for_Arbitration

Statement by Robert McClenon as advocate

There is a difficult content dispute over the articles on the Persian people and Iranian people. An attempt has been made to resolve it by cabal mediation by mediator Fasten. This has not mitigated the dispute, because of the conduct of User:Aucaman, who has been consistently uncivil, and has engaged in personal attacks and revert wars, and has repeatedly been blocked for 3RR violations. Part of the problem seems to be that he considers any use of the word "Aryan" to be racist and so prohibited. There is a consensus that this word, in the context of the Iranian and Persian peoples, has a historically valid meaning. The fact that it was abused by Germans should not prevent its use in its original context. The behavior of Aucaman makes it difficult to resolve the content dispute. Robert McClenon 02:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:Aucaman

Statement by User:Zmmz

First and foremost, I would like to state that it was not my intention (at least not from the beginning) under circumstances to try and ban someone who I or others may not agree with, and just try to censure that person (although at some point I may have been frustrated, for which I apologise) . After all, it’s a big world out there in Wikiland, and there is room for everyone here; even those who you may strongly disagree with. However, because of its recent popularity, Misplaced Pages can be used as a tool for some. Unfortunately, due to malicious comments made recently by the Iranian media about the Holocaust, and because that country is currently often in the media, the articles relating to it have attracted more than the share of *vandalism, ranging from your typical nonsense vandalism to attracting some **inappropriate political/cultural edits/comments. *****

At the beginning I was invited to try to join the discussion in an article called Persian people, and I was warned that a particular user, namely Aucaman, has an issue with the use of the word Aryan and/or Indo-European in many articles. Apparently this has been going on long before I joined Wiki. Although at the start I took Aucaman`s concerns seriously, and tried to be understanding of his grievances, soon it became apparent that the tone of the user’s behaviour spoke of that of an unconditionally inflexible one. Nevertheless, the turning point was when as a history buff I personally tried to intervene and submitted some archeological evidence, and in return Aucaman gave a shocking excuse as a reason for his refusal.

I then tried to seek a third opinion, set-up a Mediation Cabal (both were requested from neutrals user, Khoikhoi, then Fasten), and lastly an Rfc, but all have failed, which may be a testament to Aucaman`s unwillingness to compromise.

User Aucaman is an intelligent, and savvy Wikepedian, who is well-connected here, but who regrettably tries to indirectly involve other users into what seems like a never-ending-cycle: he refuses to reason in the discussion pages, reverts the articles, then if anyone tries to revert it back, he accuses them of not participating in the discussions, provokes them, and frivolously reports multiple users (often unmerited), sometimes simultaneously to admins for following him around, or files false 3rr reports etc., etc.

In all Aucaman,

  • Games the system, e.g., contacts and seeks the sympathy of the admins etc.
  • Refuses to accept authoritative references.
  • He is eminently unreasonable: too rigid, cannot work and/or compromise with others (apparently his disruptiveness spills into a spectrum of articles, and may have concerned outsider editors who have no contributions to articles about Persia)
  • Inserts controversial comments into articles, e.g., to this date trying to relate Persia with Nazi Germany etc..
  • Is involved in Civility infractions .

I do not take particular pride in having the possible banning of any user on my conscious; in fact, perhaps a final warning or an ultimatum may do the job. However, as I have stated from the start, to be fair, please look into all sides, but, do get involved and investigate the matter further. No reasonable chance: I am now convinced that the only authority who user Aucaman will actually respond to, is; ArbCom.Zmmz 02:46, 21 March 2006 (UTC)


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Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/0/0)

User:Rook_wave vs. User:Sam_Sloan

Involved parties

All Parties are aware of this request
I have made a request for mediation in this dispute. Although User:Rook_wave did not respond here, he did state this morning over on the Usenet Group rec.games.chess.politics that he is refusing mediation of this dispute. Over there, he posts as "Ralf Callenberg".
This dispute has gone on for more than three months since early December, 2005 and it is obvious that User:Rook_wave and User:Phr have no interest in settling this dispute.

Statement by party 1

I am a recognized author and authority in the world of chess. Articles I have written have been published in virtually every major chess magazine in the world, including New In Chess, ChessBase, Chess Life, The Week in Chess, Chess Asia, Chess World, Schachs Europa, Shakhmary Riga and so on.

In early December, 2005 User:Rook_wave registered as a new user just so that he could blank an article I had posted. Ever since, every time I have posted an article about chess, he has deleted almost all of the content, usually leaving only one or two lines. He never edited on any other subject, other than to delete content from my articles, until about a week ago when in response to my complaints, he added one word to an article. Yesterday, he deleted most of an article I had written only two minutes after I had first posted it, and before I had even finished it. I stopped posting for a few months because of User:Rook_wave hoping he would go away. However, with the Chess Olympiad starting in Torino, Italy on May 20, it is neceessary that I be able to post some chess biographies, so that the public will know who the major players in this competition will be. Sam Sloan 21:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

User:Sam Sloan constantly misuses Misplaced Pages to distribute his point of view about several people, resulting in unsourced attacks, rants and gossip. My deletions concentrated on those parts, and they are also (with one small exception) limited to chess relevant articles, not his articles about other topics. At those occasions where there was at least a chance for sources, I explicitely asked for them, but not once Sam Sloan was able to provide a concrete one. I didn't agree on his mediation request as it didn't seem to be real, more a complaint about me and the threat to get me blocked. Up to now no real discussion between us developed, neither at Misplaced Pages nor in Usenet and regarding his concentration on ad hominem style arguing, I doubt this will ever change. Nevertheless I intend to continue with my changes, as I think most of his biographies are very poor examples of Misplaced Pages-articles and he disserves chess with those contributions. His latest concern is about the coming election of the FIDE-president. His recent biographies are filled with strong personal attacks on the current president (including claims of bribing and even threats of killings) and his staff and very positive articles about the challenger and his team, sometimes just copied from the campaign's web page.

Here you will find some of the changes I made:

Rook wave 22:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Party 3

Detailed statement TBD hopefully within a day or so if needed. Basically I support Rook_wave in all particulars. Also, I hope some measure is taken against Sloan (whether blocking, mentorship, or whatever) for burning up so much time of people who would rather be doing other things. Cleaning up after Sloan is a huge burden and any kind of relief would be welcome. Relatively few Wikipedians follow chess politics at all, so those of us who do are more or less forced into this duty and it's unwelcome. Phr 02:04, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Sloan opened a separate RFAR against me and I responded to it. I'm not sure if I need to say anything else here. Phr 07:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Addendum Someone deleted a remark from a concerned outside party: . This looks like an irregularity to me, but I'm not sure of this. Phr 02:08, 20 March 2006 (UTC)Explained as self-revert. Phr 07:41, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Reply to Statement by Party 2 User:Rook_wave

Here is exactly the problem: User:Rook_wave admits that he has deleted content from every posting I have made about chess in the past three months, more than 50 deletions in all, yet he admits elewhere that he knows nothing, zero, about the subjects I am writing about. He just goes about willy-nilly deleting almost everything I post, and he states that he will continue to do so.

He states above that I am not able to provide any concrete sources, but in fact I can. It is just that I should not be required to prove to him that I have sources, because he is not a policeman.

For example, he claims that I am attacking the current president of FIDE, by saying that Ignatius Leong accused Kirsan of threatening his life. However, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov has been accused of more than just merely making threats of murder. He has been accused of the actual murder of Larisa Yudina (not by me, incidentally).

I am a journalist who has attanded and reported on many of the incidents that I am writing about, so I am an eye-witness to many of these events. In addition to my own published reports, numerous other journalists have written about these same events and their reports have been widely published in the chess magazines. For example, here are two official reports which deal with the incidents in Yerevan, Armenia in September-October 1996 where Ignatius Leong hid in Steve Doyle's hotel room, claiming that Kirsan was trying to kill him, and two days later Steven Doyle switched his vote in exchange for a Rolex watch and a FIDE Vice-Presidency:

https://listserv.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9610&L=chess-l&P=562 https://listserv.surfnet.nl/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind9610&L=chess-l&P=2222

In short, User:Rook_wave who admits that he knows nothing about the subject and is merely targeting me, should not be allowed to delete or modify my postings. Sam Sloan 01:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Comment from an outsider

I took the time to look at Sam Sloan's two links. They are both 1996 reports by Carol Jarecki. To focus on just one issue, in the second of the two reports, it states:

"On a Lighter Note: Sumo Wrestling
The highpoint of the day was when Andrei Makarov went up to get his ballot to vote. Steve Doyle met him just short of the stage, obstructing his passage, and they got into a 'belly-bumping' battle. It was hilarious and brought the house down. Then Makarov did the same to Steve when the USA was called. This time people were ready with cameras but I don't know where to get a copy of the photos. Then, because there were TV cameras there too and neither of them wanted it to look like there was any animosity involved, Makarov grabbed Steve's hand, faced the cameras both with broad smiles, and raised their hands together. They both were minus jackets since it was very warm so it made quite a picture. The cameras loved it."

This is what Sam Sloan wanted Misplaced Pages to say about the matter:

"Doyle achieved international notoriety in FIDE, the World Chess Federation, by engaging in a Sumo Wrestling Match against Makarov, the President of the Russian Chess Federation. Doyle, the lighter of the two contestants, lost the match, which is still remembered as one of the most notable sporting events ever in the history of FIDE."

Neither Carol Jarecki article said anything about a Rolex watch. - Louis Blair (March 19, 2006)

I support what was said above completely... I could not find any mention of Rolex watches or bribery. I think Rook wave has just been NPOVing the articles correctly and removing unsourced opinions... If anything, ArbCom should review Sam Sloan's edits. Sasquatch t|c 06:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/1/0/0)

Appeal of Silverback

Involved parties

I am Silverback and request the removal of the 1 revert per article limit imposed in my arbitration case.--Silverback 13:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by party 1

The one revert per week limit makes it difficult to work on controversial pages, especially since the current revert interpretation refers to reverts of any material, not just repeated reverts of the same material as was once the interpretation. It appears from this discussion that the time period on my revert limitation was purposely left indefinite: 

 http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Requests_for_arbitration/Silverback/Proposed_decision

The intent was that this be revisited at a later time. I hope this is that later time. -- thanx, --Silverback 13:04, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Addendums to statement by party 1

In response to User:Raul654, there is nothing on the talk:Global warming that I did not do in good faith, and I welcome arbcom members careful review of the page. If Raul654 is referring to the violation of the 1RR limit, in good faith I thought I was complying with it, I did not realize that the 3RR definition had changed to be any reversions and not just be reversions of substantially the same material. You must also see my talk page to get the complete picture . Realize that you must be reasonably scientifically literate to evaulate the merits of some of the discussions on the Global warming talk page. I admit mistakes when I am wrong and stick to the discussion of the merits, except perhaps when admonishing others to do the same or pointing out a double standard.--Silverback 09:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/2/0/0)

Katelyn Faber

Involved Parties


Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by party 1

User:Tufflaw has been making various attempts to censor information in articles that in any way mention or are otherwise dedicated to Katelyn Faber's rape allegation against Kobe Bryant. In December 2005, for example, Tufflaw attempted to have the entire article deleted, using extremely specious reasoning. Naturally, the result was to keep the article, since deleting the subject of a noteworthy criminal case is unjustified. Now, Tufflaw is trying to censor images of Katelyn Faber being added to the article, and since he/she cannot offer a single cogent, rational argument to justify this, or cite a relevant WP policy or guideline, he/she is removing the image, and refusing to respond directly to my refutations of his/her reasoning. Tufflaw has made exactly one attempt to cite a WP policy that he/she could use to justify this activity, but bizarrely, the policy in question does not say what she claims it does. I request you read the section on the Faber Talk Page titled, "Deleting Images" to see where this is going. Thank you. Nightscream 05:53, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by FloNight

This complaint involves the use of a tabloid style photo on the biography of an possible rape victim. I'm not sure there is an arb comm case. It looks more like a simple content dispute. I removed the image and asked that it not be re-inserted without consensus from a large number of experienced editors. (I have not edited the article before so I am not well-versed on the entire history of the dispute. Therefore, it is possible that there is something I missed.)

  • Additional information
I contacted Nightscream and he/she understands that this is premature. Other methods of of dispute resolution are underway. I'm very hopeful that this will be resolved without formal dispute resolution.

Statement by Tufflaw

This is WAY too premature for referral to arbcomm, and is at the very least extremely disingenuous of Nightscream, who did not bother to even notify me of this RFA, or mention it on the article's talk page. However, he found the time to individually contact arbitrators, , , , as well as spamming dozens of messages on various talk pages slandering me and attempting to rally support for his position - , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , . He mentions that I unsuccessfully listed the article for deletion in December as if that somehow negatively affects my credibility with respect to any edits I make to the article. Most of the opposing votes in that vote suggested to clean up the article, which I attempted to do. I strenuously disagree with Nightscream's claims on the talk page that I am engaging in some form of vandalism - I stand by every single one of my 1200+ edits I've made to this project, and not a single one is vandalism. I should also note that of the users who have since begun to respond to Nightscream's message blast, none only one of them believes that the photograph belongs in the article. This should be rejected as premature. Tufflaw 19:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Question by TenOfAllTrades

Was there ever a request for comment on this issue, which seems to be a content dispute at its heart? TenOfAllTrades(talk) 19:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

No there was never any other method of dispute resolution pursued. Tufflaw 19:47, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/0/1/0)

I have strong negative opinions regarding publishing of the name or images of an alleged rape victim. Fred Bauder 13:31, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Benapgar

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

Statement by FeloniousMonk

Benapgar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) has been chronically disruptive at the Intelligent design article, frequently violating WP:CIVIL, WP:NPA, WP:CON, WP:POINT, WP:NPOV, WP:HAR, WP:NOR. He has engaged in many sustained, aggressive and distruptive Talk page campaigns flouting consensus in attempts to rewrite the article to fit his point of view. , , , .

NOTE: The early history of the Talk:Intelligent design page was moved to Talk:Intelligent_design/Archive23 by an improper archiving in December. Benapgar's history at Talk:Intelligent design prior to December 2005 can be seen here:

When his tendentious proposals fail to gain consensus, Benapgar frequently resorts to disruptive personal attacks against other editors, and been generally uncivil to anyone who objects to his POV or methods, and promotes strife by inciting others to disruption. Examples: , , , , , , , This has resulted in a user conduct RFC, Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_comment/Benapgar, where he continued making personal attacks and dismissed the community's views. He has subsequently been blocked a number of times for chronic NPA violations, the last being for 1 month, ending 2 March 2006. Since his unblocking he has resumed his disruption of Talk:Intelligent design with numerous personal attacks and unending tendentious arguments. Despite warnings from admins, an RFC, and multiple blocks for NPA he shows no sign of letting up, but of spreading his disruption to other areas of the project. Arbitration is more than called for. FeloniousMonk 04:34, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Ryan Delaney

I am the most recent admin to block Benapgar for personal attacks. For this diff, which was one in a string of serious personal attacks, where he enjoins another editor to "GET THE FUCK AWAY FROM ME YOU FUCKING PSYCHO."

  • 12:01, 27 January 2006 Ryan Delaney blocked "Benapgar (contribs)" with an expiry time of 1 month (Serial NPA violator; needs a long wikibreak)

Since this RFAr was brought, I've been reminded to check his recent edit history. From his last 20 edits:

  • "Note that it also says the same thing about you: disingenuous or incompetent" -- also asserts that no one can censure him for personal attacks because it would be a double standard.
  • Repeatedly states "If I wanted your advice I'd ask you for it."
  • "Or perhaps you mean little interest from yourself and your Usenet buddy flamewarriors who've hijacked this article."

A little further back:

  • "I accused editors of doing the above purposefully and maliciously--though not necessarily completely conciously--and accused them of having devious and underhanded motivations. I believe this is true and I am not ashamed of making these accusations."
  • Asserts that he has been providing evidence to third parties of '"highly activist editors" being "unethical", and members of groups co-ordinating to edit Misplaced Pages'.

This user appears to be a chronic disruptive and disrespectful editor who, after many others have attempted to reason with him, given him chances to reform, and finally blocked him for extended periods, shows no signs of improvement whatever. --Ryan Delaney 06:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Cyde Weys

This user has been very disruptive and outright rude in relation to various articles. The statements above already cover most of this but I thought I had to have my say because this Ben guy attacked me very specifically. He took one of my posts from talk.origins and used it as "evidence" that there is some sort of "evolutionist" conspiracy on Misplaced Pages. Nevermind that I've never really edited intelligent design in any major way. The way he brought in something from outside of the Wiki and used it to attempt to attack me was very unexpected and multiple people brought it to my attention. --Cyde Weys 09:16, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by User:JoshuaZ

Despite repeated attempts to reason with Ben, and remind him of WP:AGF, WP:CIVIL and WP:NPA he has repeatedly violated them and insulted me. He has also engaged in what is most probably wikistalking, disrupting two other abitrations that I am involved in, the Agapetos arbitration and the Gastrich arbitration. In both cases he has attempted to bring largely irrelevant information in from outside Misplaced Pages, in the case of Gastrich, very late in the proceedings, and has made multiple attacks based on this, including calling a request for information by me "spiteful." He has engaged in myriad other violations which the other parties have summarized well. This needs to stop. JoshuaZ 17:22, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Ben

I welcome an investigation into my conduct and the conduct of those participating in this case. --Ben 12:46, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (1/0/0/0)

Nuclear Energy

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
 (If not, then explain why that would be fruitless)

Arbcom is preventing me from taking this up on the discussion pages.

Statement by party 1

This Diff - is a clear an unambiguous attempt to use the Arbcom earlier ruling as an opportunity to mislead the readers. The DOE has changed it site - however it has not changed its 4 listed missions which are at the new location here:

Which states clearly: Defense Strategic Goal: To protect our national security by applying advanced science and nuclear technology to the Nation’s defense. as the first goal.

Changing the original text to list the last goal as if it were the first is to dramatically mislead the readership.

Benjamin Gatti 20:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


Statement by party 2

Umm... I have no idea why he chose to leave a cryptic message on my talk page instead of explaining any issues he had with an edit. I got an error message when I clicked the link, so I chose to fix the relevant section on Misplaced Pages. This is apparently a loaded topic, but in whatever war of semantics is being fought, I seem to have become a civilian casualty. Fortunately I'm a patient person, or I'd say forget this Wiki nonsense. In any case, you're the pot calling the kettle black since taking that goal out of context without mentioning the other is just as misleading... Anyway, note to self, stick to editing pop-culture/history articles. Rondack 05:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Sean Black

I have no idea what Ben thinks this is going to acheive. There is no coherent case presented here. As for my bans, I think I was acting in the spirit of the remedy and applied it correctly. If the ArbCom disagrees, then I have no problem with them lifted. Uh, I guess that's all I can say, but I urge rejection. Thanks.--Sean Black 06:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Woohookitty

For the love of God, please reject this. --Woohookitty 12:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (0/3/0/1)

Can you clarify how "Arbcom is preventing me from taking this up on the discussion pages"? Dmcdevit·t 22:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

He was banned from editing the article according to his talk page... Which should tell you something about his motives. Rondack 05:21, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
Sean Black banned him from Nuclear power and Price-Anderson Nuclear Industries Indemnity Act for recent behavior, see report here · Katefan0/poll 05:39, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I know all this, and wikitext really doesn't convey my tone properly. What I mean is, could you please adequately clarify how "Arbcom is preventing me from taking this up on the discussion pages". Dmcdevit·t 09:24, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
I believe he is banned from editing the article's talk page as well as the article. -- Kjkolb 07:42, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

DarrenRay and 2006BC

Involved parties

Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
  • DarrenRay
  • 2006BC
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried

(If not, then explain why that would be fruitless)

I don't think this is particuarly relevant. These two people are heavily personally involved in articles they've been edit warring on, and have shown no inclination to cease in the future.

Statement by Ambi

The essential basis of this is that two people are using Misplaced Pages as a soapbox to wage war on an auditor who is in the process of suing them over allegations of corruption.

A few years ago, the Melbourne University Student Union crashed and burned amidst complaints of dodgy dealing. It was subsequently liquidated, and the auditor, Dean McVeigh, sued three former presidents - Darren Ray, Ben Cass, and Andrew Landeryou, over their role in the collapse. A couple of weeks ago, Ray and Cass both popped up in Misplaced Pages, creating what essentially amounted to an attack article at Dean McVeigh and edit warring incessantly at the article on the student union (now at Melbourne University student organisations). They've now created Rugs Galore, an article on a company that McVeigh was criticised for his performance in liquidating, with 80% of the article being a long screed about McVeigh's alleged misdeeds. This is a fairly simple case - two people who are being sued by an auditor over their role in the collapse of a company are way too personally involved to be editing articles about said auditor and said company. Ambi 02:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Outside statement by David Gerard

This may be related to the Australian Politics Vandal, a troll/vandal who adds possibly defamatory statements to all manner of articles related to minor Australian politics. The link is not certain, but it smells of it - David Gerard 11:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

I've looked in CheckUser. There's a sockpuppet theatre going on here. I'll be writing up a private report with details for the AC and blocking a string of sockpuppets very soon - David Gerard 18:03, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by DarrenRay

"Since many people read Seigenthaler's op-ed, and few people responded to the original article, some Misplaced Pages contributors (known as Wikipedians) questioned his reluctance to simply correct the page. Other contributors pointed out the existence of an autobiography guideline on Misplaced Pages which is often interpreted to mean that users may not edit pages about themselves, and still others noted that even if he corrected the page, he would have to keep track of it for the rest of his life to be sure that inaccuracies were not added and compared opting-out of spam to the demand that Seigenthaler fix the inaccuracies himself.

From Seigenthaler controversy article

  1. To the very limited extent that I have made edits that relate to myself, I have been motivated by what I believe to be the legitimate objective of ensuring neutrality in the articles that mention me. The alternatives including publicly attacking Misplaced Pages seemed much less appropriate choices. It's hard not to admire the creation of a 💕 for everyone. I note that that the last time I edited the article that contains some information relating to me was on 11 March and was quite uncontentious and did not in any event relate to me.
  2. I was told by one experienced editor that because I was not an anonymous editor that my contributions would be closely scrutinised if I edited about myself. I don't have any problem with being subjected to that scrutiny. But I don't see why my honesty about my identity should enable anonymous/pseudonymous editors to say that my contributions are - per se - illegitimate and not worth considering. I am not proposing to write a vanity article about myself, I would just like the opportunity to correct errors when I identify them, as I believe Mr Seienthaler ought to have done.
  3. I did not write the Rugs Galore article but there is an afd about it, and I personally think it's worth keeping. I have had some involvement with one of the people (Dean McVeigh) involved in that article but (he's not an auditor by the way) but I read the article and don't have any issue with it.
  4. The Dean McVeigh article had many versions but I don't believe that any contribution I made could be said to constitute an attack. In any event, the article has been for the time being merged with another article and there haven't been any edits about that content for well over a week.
  5. I have tried to reach an understanding about what Misplaced Pages's rules are and believe I have complied with them. I have - even if I do say so myself - contributed as much as I could to Misplaced Pages in a short term. I must have caught the bug or something, but the main point is that I believe my openness about my identity should not make me the punching bag de jour. If there are specific edits that I have made that Ambi has an issue with (I certainly have issue with many of hers), I would be pleased to discuss that. I have a lot to learn and am keen to do so.
  6. David Gerard's suggestions that I am another user or vandal are not correct. I stand by every edit I have made. I find it a little ironic that he would suggest that I am guilty of defamation in light of what's being going on.

DarrenRay 06:52, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Garglebutt

I have probably been more involved in the heat of this battle than most other editors. Both the involved parties came to WP with strong agendas and predetermined views on how articles would look, with strong opposal to any views that did not coincide with their own. They sought and ignored advice from others, including admins, as they tried to find a way to enforce their particular POV on the articles of interest to them. I appreciate there are (at least) two sides to every story, but it is not appropriate to swing an article from one extreme to the other and call it NPOV.

The blog of 2006BC is a slanderous and vitriolic critique of Dean McVeigh, which makes it difficult to believe that he has come to WP to write balanced articles that reference McVeigh or the union liquidation in general. Edits I made that provided direct quotes from media coverage where reverted by both parties as slanderous or POV, and suggested that the quoted newspaper was a biased source(Talk:Melbourne_University_student_organisations#Reversion_of_facts). DarrenRay also tried to remove tags making his personal involvement clear stating this was irrelevant.

One of my concerns has been the apparent collusion by DarrenRay, 2006BC and to a lesser degree User:AChan to revert attempts to rework what are considered POV edits by other editors to these and other articles to avoid WP:3RR by passing the baton to the next person when each individual hits 3RR. This is bad faith editing and has made it even more difficult to gain consensus in balanced edits.

Criticisms aside, both DarrenRay and AChan have made some worthwhile contributions when they are not revert warring over contentious political articles, but on a number of occasions when things seem to be settling down, 2006BC has stirred the pot as is the case with the Rugs Galore article. Garglebutt / (talk) 13:23, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Xtra

I have previously supported a Request for arbitration against these two and their "associates". They are not interested in consensus building and are continually adding personal attacks against Dean McVeigh. Normally I would think that it is good that someone associated with an organisation is adding content, but ith these two users I differ. Due to their continual POV pushing, adding of personal attacks, reverting against consensus, I believe they should be banned from editing any page to do with Melbourne University student activities and from adding any content to do with Dean McVeigh. Xtra 00:01, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by 2006BC

Could this arbitration also consider the personal attacks and discourteous remarks made from User:Garglebutt and User:Ambi. Garglebutt has also been engaged in user page vandalism. Is it appropriate now to list those or do we wait for later? 2006BC 01:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, if User: David Gerard is making allegations against me (if he is), I believe it would be procedurally fair for him to disclose anything that might later be regarded as relevant, including political associations and so on. I note I make no allegations here at all (I've had enough of all the personal attacks going on) but I thought it might be helpful for me to prompt a disclosure now before we go much further. 2006BC 02:03, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

In response to David Gerard's statement:

Can you please explain what you mean by "sockpuppet theatre". Far from being a sockpuppet I edit while disclosing my name, on my user page where I disclose my political affiliation. I look forward to David Gerard engaging in similar disclosure. Without this a 'private report' will be very hard to take seriously. --2006BC 02:09, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (3/0/0/0)

FourthAve

Involved parties

FourthAve (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
Jaysuschris (talk · contribs) (bringing this issue to the attention of the committee)
Jesster79 (talk · contribs)
Tony_Sidaway (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA)
User-multi error: "Reyk" is not a valid project or language code (help).
Confirmation that all parties are aware of the request
Notice to FourthAve
Notice to JesseG
Notice to Tony Sidaway
Notice to Reyk
Confirmation that other steps in dispute resolution have been tried
  1. Various warnings
  2. Talk page intervention
  3. Talk page intervention
  4. Attempted mediation by Reyk
  5. RFC by me.

Statement by Jaysuschris

It was my sincere hope that this matter could be settled without coming to this forum. Unfortunately, the intervention of various third parties has done little to abate FourthAve’s behavior. His consistent violations of WP:NPA and WP:NPOV in the face of informal and formal warnings by other editors, stern warning by administrators, and even a couple of account blocks, has led me to the realization that no other choice exists. The following list is a summary of activities that I believe the Arbitration Committee should consider.

  1. Personal attack A B, C, D against me
  2. Personal attack against JesseG
  3. Obscenity/Extreme violation of NPOV (sexually derogatory language)
  4. Extreme NPOV violation in Bob Vander Plaats
  5. Extreme NPOV violation A, B, C, D, E, and F in University of Dubuque
  6. Extreme NPOV violation A, B, C, D, E, F, G, and H in Jim Nussle
  7. Personal attack when notified of the RfC A, B, and C
  8. Probable sock puppet (all edits were WP:NPOV or WP:NPA violations in the custom of this editor)
  9. Personal attack A, B, C, and D against Tony Sidaway

FourthAve’s behavior goes beyond what should be acceptable, even in politically sensitive articles. It is my hope that the Arbitration Committee will join me in the view that FourthAve should be enjoined from editing Jim Nussle, Bob Vander Plaats, and University of Dubuque while this matter is considered due to his demonstrated unwillingness to adhere to WP:NPOV in these articles. - Jaysus Chris 11:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by party 2

 (Please limit your statement to 500 words)

Statement by JesseG

In regards to the FourthAve user, I wish that it had never had to come to this level. I wish that we could've resolved this issue long before having to take it to this formal level. However I don't see that we have much choice here, as FourthAve has ignored repeated requests to respect others (contributors, other people, institutions, etc). However our requests seem to have all fallen on deaf ears, FourthAve has not only ignored such requests, but has also continued to engage in personal attacks. He has been blocked for short periods of time, and after these blocks have expired, he comes back and engages in further attacks.

I feel that some sort of stronger action needs to be taken by the administration of Misplaced Pages. FourthAve has shown through word and deed that he will not listen to others and will do what he pleases, regardless of whether or not it is acceptable behavior. He has shown nothing but contempt for others. And if he will not respond to arbitration by ceasing personal attacks and vandalism of articles, then he should be banned from making further contributions. It is still my hope, even now, that FourthAve will avail himself of this one last chance he is being offered, that he will cease making personal attacks and vandalizing articles so that he can continue to make a useful contribution to the Misplaced Pages article.

JesseG 04:52, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Tony Sidaway

An odd case. This fellow has many, many edits and considers himself a good ("admin level") contributor to the project. However he is obsessed with the supposed evilness of political Republicans, in particular a certain Iowa Congressman. FourthAve has repeatedly and persistently added allegations of political corruption and moral turpitude of this fellow and his current wife to the biographical article on the Congressman and also to related articles. He has accused those who object to his lurid addenda of being such things as "a typically Republican vandal, like those in the Speakers office editing wikipedia for partisan advantage" and "a vandal, a troll, a piece of shit."

Over the past few days I've been attempting to dissuade this fellow from pursuing his obsession; his other edits seem to be in good faith if not of particularly high quality. He continued his vandalism today at the end of a 24-hour block

I'm not convinced that an arbitration would have any effect in this case. His problematic activities are blockable, and inasmuch as he is likely to respond to blocks by limiting the vandalism and personal attacks, so he is likely to avoid progressively longer blocks. Should his behavior continue, he will be blocked for months or perhaps permanently. I can think of no possible arbitration remedy that could further empower the community to remedy his actions, and suggest that arbitration would probably be a waste of time at this stage, Should he eventually respond to blocking by ceasing vandalism and personal attacks, then in all likelihood there will be no remaining problem with this editor, and in any case this would be a problem for a future arbitration. --Tony Sidaway 12:57, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

At the time of writing, User:FourthAve is just about to start the second day of a seven day block imposed by User:Nlu in response to the former's renewal of his comically inept personal attacks . He had not, however, resumed his vandalism on that occasion. --Tony Sidaway 05:36, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Statement by Reyk

The trouble with this guy is that he thinks he's in the right. Most vandals, trolls and other such people know they're doing the wrong thing, but not FourthAve. He considers himself to be a decent contributor to Misplaced Pages, and indeed he is so long as he's not talking about politics. Unfortunately he seems to think his political opinions are unassailable fact and that anyone who attempts to rein in his POV pushing is either stupid or malicious.

It's so hard to reason with a person like that. He refuses to compromise on any point, and he deals with criticism by levelling bizarre accusations and obscene personal attacks at people. Even when warned, and blocked, he just will not change his behaviour. It's a pity it's had to come to this, but I don't think he'll ever listen to anyone.

I would love to be wrong on this one, but I believe it will eventually require a long-term block or even a banning. Reyk 21:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

Outside comment by MONGO

The level of personal incivility has become blockable and is borderline bannable at this point. I posted an unrelated comment on Tony Sidaway's talk page and saw that the next edit to Sidaway's talk page was a partial blanking of the page by User:FourthAve. I asked FourthAve if this was an accident and s/he responded about being at an admin level of editing (not sure what that has to do with the page blanking), but later again, did not answer my question at all, instead being deliberately confusing. I saw further incivility after being informed about FourthAve and tried to communicate about the need for civility , , . When User:Jaysuschris informs me of the situation in more depth, FourthAve responds with nothing but insults and profanity to Jaysuschris...I also should ask all to note the reference to the following comment by FourthAve in the last diff: "Jaysus Chris is blasphemous by his choice of user name: he clearly has a deep personal hatred of the Ten Commandments". FourthAve then calls Jaysuschris a "bitch" and signs(?) his next post to my usertalk with "Ten Commandments". FourthAve last comment on my usertalk was a bit calmer, but still argumentative, and this was after I had repeatedly asked him to be more civil.. My usertalk page is then hit with this edit by an anon, and asks me "Shall I call you a homosexual slut?", right after mentioning editor Jaysuschris and the Ten Commandments again. The rudeness and incivility doesn't seem to have abated much, with edit summaries such as "Fixed right-wing-whako depravity", , and POV unreferenced nastiness such as "Bullock is a whore", "many graduates of UD regard him and his wife as common prostitutes" . If this keeps up a long term block is mandatory. Start with a week and then a month. Editors to this project do not need to be called "bitch", "piece of shit", or "homosexual slut". Further acts of incivility should then result in longer blocks. It should be noted that I see his contributions aside from the incivility to be suspect as well, as they are extremely POV and unreferenced, so I'm not sure much loss is going to occur to Misplaced Pages if FourthAve sits out a week or even a month block to try and reconstitute themself.--MONGO 20:48, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Arbitrators' opinion on hearing this matter (3/0/0/0)


Waya sahoni and WP:RS vs. SCOX and Linux Community Editors

Involved parties

Clerk note (3/0/0/0)

This case application has been moved to /Waya sahoni because of the bulk. Please add comments, arbitrator votes, etc, there, and they will be precised by clerks here.

Precis:

Waya sahoni requests an injunction of three months against certain parties editing the article Jeffrey Vernon Merkey, on the grounds that they injected poorly sourced content. Respondents claimed for the most part that this was a frivolous, disingenuous or ridiculous request. Some stated that they believed that Waya sahoni was actually Jeffrey Vernon Merkey himself. Waya sahoni withdrew the request for arbitration.
Fred Bauder voted to accept, primarily to consider whether the information in the article was adequately sourced, but also to consider the editing of Waya sahoni. He added "I think we need an affirmation of intent to avoid autobiographical editing, if a complete ban is to be avoided". Jdforrester and Dmcdevit have also voted to accept.
Waya Sahoni has stipulated that he is prepared to undergo a voluntary ban from editing Jeffrey Vernon Merkey in the form of a joint agreement with arbcom. He requests that the other involved editors be similarly banned from the article but be permitted to make contributions to the article's talk page, and that anyone who has stated that he's "here to stalk Jeff Merkey" be banned from following Waya sahoni or Jeffrey Merkey around Misplaced Pages to revert or deface their edits.

Currently there are three Arbitrator acceptance votes, no recusals, no rejections.

Last updated by --Tony Sidaway 06:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Requests for Clarification

Requests for clarification from the Committee on matters related to the Arbitration process.

Guanaco injunction

Is Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/Guanaco, MarkSweep, et al/Proposed decision#Guanaco restricted from admin reversals intended to prohibit routine reversals such as un-semi-protecting pages after the vandals have left or enforcement of decisions on pages like Misplaced Pages:Deletion review? —Guanaco 23:35, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

I guess it comes down to a question of whether or not we think you'll try to use such an exception to game the system. Raul654 02:34, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
In my opinion, yes. The injunction is intended to prohibit, while the case is being considered, any reversals of any admin actions. Misplaced Pages will not crumble and fall if you do not personally maintain it for the few days this case will be open. ➥the Epopt 03:45, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
How much longer do you intend to drag this on? —Guanaco 04:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Unfortunately for both you and me, there appear to be plenty of other cases, yours being one of the newest. Arbitration tends to be a game of patience. Dmcdevit·t 07:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
Actually, in my experience they can be quite speedy about things, at times. Everyking 08:10, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
I have no intention of gaming the system; I have better games to play, some of which are actually fun. —Guanaco 04:06, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

RJII probation

Due to frequent, problematic disruption of the admin's noticeboard, such as reporting month old vandalism by a user he was engaged in a dispute with and repeatedly shouting, I considered banning RJII (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) from the page under the terms of his probation. However, the decision spefically uses the word "article"- Would this ban be covered by the probation, or would an amendment of the previous decision be necessary for a ban to take effect?--Sean Black 08:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I see no problem with this, as it's in line with the spirit of our ruling. If he's being disruptive, he ought to be banned from it. RJII doesn't seem to be getting our message, however. You may want to bring consider, on AN, enacting the general probation for an appropriate length of time. Dmcdevit·t 09:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Given this, I have done so. Misplaced Pages:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#RJII_Banned_from_AN_.26_AN.2FI Essjay 10:06, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


CarlHewitt

If the anon 24.23.213.158 is CarlHewitt, then I believe he's violating Remedy 1 in editing Arbiter (electronics). — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 08:00, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Can you explain to me how that is autobiographical editing (and not just editing in his field)? Otherwise I don't see the justification for an IP check. Dmcdevit·t 09:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
He seems to have created the concepts, according to the references and previous discussions. But whether or not the Admins (or whichever level administers blocks) agree that his current edits are autobiographical, it should be noted that he and now Anonymouser may be Carl. See the history of Talk:Indeterminacy in computation for details. (Also, to whose attention should I bring questions of identity related to Arbitration remedies.) — Arthur Rubin | (talk) 16:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

These don't appear to check out as Carl Hewitt, according to the location of that ip. Fred Bauder 01:26, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

I know Hewitt edited from User:67.142.130.28, both IPs are from California. I also find User:71.198.215.78's and User:24.147.9.238's edits suspicious. —Ruud 04:25, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
There's little doubt in my mind that this is Hewitt; Bah, who cares. Not a massive land grab.--CSTAR 19:57, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
Concur that User:71.198.215.78 sounds suspiciously like Carl, as does User:24.23.213.158. I don't see anything obvious in the contrib history for User:24.147.9.238 — did you mean someone else? --Allan McInnes (talk) 02:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
User:24.147.9.238 added an external link to MIT CSAIL to Scheme programming language, but I may be seeing ghosts here. —Ruud 02:38, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
Oh my... User:Anonymouser. This guy removed the NPOV tag from Scientific Community Metaphor. —Ruud 02:12, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


Wilkes, Wyss and Onefortyone case

The arbcom recently placed all three on probation, the latter over usage of sources, the former two over edit warring on the issue of allegations of homosexuality and bisexuality in articles. I have deliberately avoided entering the debate on the issue of sources because I do not have access to US biographies and magazines and so cannot prove either accuracy or inaccuracy. I have had to block both Wilkes and Wyss, the former a number of times, for clear breaches of their prohibition on editing biographical articles on allegations of homosexuality and bisexuality. The latter seens to have quit WP in a huff as a result. Wilkes however, while not editing articles, is using talk pages to mispresent onefortyone's probation by alleging that Onefortyone was convicted of lying by the arbcom. See also here. In fact the decision of the arbcom related to the reliability of sources, not lies.

Probation explicitly mentions articles. That could be interpreted narrowly to include just the article and not the talk page, or broadly to include the talk page, given that the talk page discusses and shapes the contents of the article. The arbcom ruling explicitly uses the word "broadly". Does this mean that three admins may also impose restrictions on the edits placed in talk pages dealing with the areas (homosexuality and bisexuality) that Wilkes is prohibited from editing. Wilkes has clearly breached Misplaced Pages ettiquette but has he breached the implicit conditions of his probation by posting allegations that another user who was the subject of an arbcom ruling is a "convicted liar" when that is a distortion of the arbcom ruling? FearÉIREANN\ 23:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The ruling does not make "article" explicit with regard to the newest remedy. That general probation is to apply as a full ban. Any three admins can ban him (as in a block-ban, not ban-from-an-article) for a year or less. This "good cause" can include any kind of disruption, certainly the kind you are describing, if three admins agree. Dmcdevit·t 00:02, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
Never letting the thing go, on and on and on, focusing on that one issue is certainly disruptive. I think the gist of the decision is that it is not up to either of them to police Onefortyone. Fred Bauder 02:07, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

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