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Proposed deletion of Sun State Roller Derby League
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Laura, FYI... the Sun State Roller Girls are trying to update this page and ensure everything on it is correct. Many of the things you've posted there are simply incorrect or irrelevant. Notjackbrown (talk) 02:03, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Thanks Laura... yep, we're all over it. Thanks too for your efforts. We're keen to get the page as complete and correct as possible. Curious that someone had tagged it for deletion. (We've just had it renamed/moved) Notjackbrown (talk) 02:15, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Re: Gerry Hewson
Hi Laura, all done. The article hasn't lost any words as such, but there's no need to write out a citation more than once, as I've just demonstrated on the article. Graham87 01:22, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Sun State Roller Girls
Laura, considering the inaccurate and irrelevant information you had posted on the Sun state roller girls page - which all had to be removed - I'm really confused as to why you feel the need to remove factual information, and change formating to something that you personally prefer. Please refrain. Notjackbrown (talk) 09:23, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
not good enough
Laura, you know that we are in the process of building the page - your interferance is not appreciated. As far as I can see the CRDL page is just as much in need of repair as the Sun State Roller Girls page Notjackbrown (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 09:33, 25 October 2011 (UTC).
plea
Laura, your page states "I just love the idea of sharing knowledge and trying to help people." So, help the Sun State Roller Girls make a great page - and stop being so difficult. You don't need to keep deleting content. In the time you've taken to delete content because the reference was the front page of a website, you could have instead added a correct reference to a lower level page on the website. Either you want to make a good page or you want to get in the way - which is it?Notjackbrown (talk) 12:21, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
And before you continue to interfere, please understand that i was basing our page on the Gotham_Girls_Roller_Derby page which quite clearly no one has an issue with their formatting. You did not need to remove the subheadings Notjackbrown (talk) 13:57, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Sun State Roller Girls
Hi - I've taken a look over the article, have made some minor changes to grammar, and have reordered some text so that most sections contain more than one paragraph. I'm not sure that I can do much more to it at present; DYK would be a very tall order as it's no longer a new article, so the text would need to be expanded at least five times. Warofdreams talk 16:31, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
RH AN/I
He now wants to add more of his sources to a closed AFD. That was the last straw for me so it is now at AN/I. I thought you might like to comment . Ridernyc (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
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Romsey Town Rollerbillies
Misplaced Pages:Article Incubator/Romsey Town Rollerbillies now has seventeen sources, a logo, several ELs, and clearly passes Misplaced Pages:Notability (sports)#Basic criteria requirements for multiple published, non-trivial, reliable, intellectually and otherwise independent secondary sources, and is pending a move back to userspace by any editor who has not yet edited it per WP:GRADUATION.
Misplaced Pages:Deletion review/Log/2011 October 26#Romsey Town Rollerbillies is instructive. Dualus (talk) 15:21, 27 October 2011 (UTC)
- I have responded to you there and at WT:NSPORTS, asking for the reasons that your proposed notability criteria are so exclusionary. As for your comments about the glorification of violence that I've come across since I started working on this article, I don't know. It sure looks like a problem to me. I've had very detailed discussions with police, police commissioners, district attorneys, and other men in my situation who have refused to fight back when attacked but still been accused of fighting by their female attackers. They all say the same thing: Women are far more likely to initiate domestic violence in a hetrosexual relationship, and are also far more likely to be seriously injured if both sides participate in it, so it makes sense for the police to take the man away if there is any question whether he's been fighting. On the other hand, maybe roller derby is like porn, allowing the release of otherwise antisocial pressure. To be completely frank, it scares me! I wonder if that's how women feel about porn. Dualus (talk) 17:28, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I didn't mean to say anything bad about roller derby. Obesity is now the largest cause of preventable deaths in the developed world, with 17% obese in the US in 1974 compared to 35% now. This terrible trend must be reversed at all costs. Organized sports is one way to help people get regular exercise but getting them to eat less is also important. If it were up to me, all organized sports teams of any kind under a much more inclusive general notability criteria would appear in Misplaced Pages. The glorification of violence is worse in American football than roller derby, especially if actions speak louder than words. That doesn't change the fact that I am genuinely scared of roller derby now but I imagine my curiosity will quickly overcome it. If the glorification of violence is limited to words and not deeds, and allows the release of violent tendencies, that would mean that the sport is fantastically good. Also, if it were up to me, all porn would be entirely computer generated so nobody would be objectified. The fact that the availability of porn was associated with a dramatic drop in both child sex crimes victims and perpetrators means that it is a complex issue. Thank you for taking time to explain so many details. I don't want to disparage your work on trying to come up with notability criteria that would make sense if the amortized cost of disk space were thousands of times what it is. Dualus (talk) 21:34, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment to LauraHale from talkpage drive by (not even a stalker - no idea why I've got your page on my watchlist). I'd watch this guy's sourcing - that's two "statistics" he appears to have made up to support an argument - but I'm sure you've noticed that too. Elen of the Roads (talk) 23:17, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
- Was it 14% in 1974 and 36% today? I don't know what to say. We're all entitled to our own opinions but not our own peer reviewed secondary literature. Don't kill the messenger. I wish logical deduction was never uncomfortable. Dualus (talk) 02:15, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- There is no connection between female domestic violence and roller derby. The only connection between pornography and roller derby is that they are both beneficial when their deleterious effects are limited. Regarding your comment about research, cited above is both peer reviewed and WP:SECONDARY. Dualus (talk) 19:06, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- Comment. I think you'll find that the above user makes no sense, displays no understanding of policy, and has little use for advice from others, but curiously seems to know everything about everything. Enjoy. Centrify (f / k / a FCAYS) (talk) (contribs) 19:40, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- Already figured that out. He was giving advice to a user in #wikipedia-en-help to do something that he was warned about doing himself leading to him being blocked. Other helpers were pretty much at a loss. Couldn't engage him much because it led to further disruption of the help channel. He clearly has an agenda, and he is using a topic completely unrelated to try to make it at the expense of women's sport. :( --LauraHale (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2011 (UTC)
- What are you accusing me of? On IRC you characterized my "maybe" statement above as "insisting," and made other misrepresentations of my actions which you refused to apologize for. If you had a problem with the advice I gave regarding Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Nurun Inc. I did not read it on IRC. Please bring it to my attention. Dualus (talk) 01:26, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Re: Ashley Adams
Done. You're getting better ... it ain't easy! Graham87 13:26, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
- Done. Regarding the source, it'd be far better to use the original Paralympian magazine article (PDF). Graham87 03:10, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- I've gone through it, but it needs at the very least a birth year, if possible. The use of the Hansard as a source in this case is fine. Graham87 01:06, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
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Australian generals of World War II Hawkeye7 (talk) 03:02, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks! Much appreciated! Hawkeye7 (talk) 23:12, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
- No problem. :) Templates are something I can do. --LauraHale (talk) 23:13, 30 October 2011 (UTC)
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Thanks for the invite, Laura!
God, Qantas and my wife willing, I'll be in New Zealand on that date. But you go ahead and have a good time without me, OK?
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- That was Skyring above. Anyway I will try to make it! If you are doing all the inviting, I have a list of more local people in User:Graeme Bartlett/Canberra invitees as well as Category:Wikipedians in the Australian Capital Territory. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 09:13, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
- Thanks for the first. :) I used the category to find most people that I pinged today. :) (I've also requested a Geonotice.) --LauraHale (talk) 11:07, 31 October 2011 (UTC)
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Do you think it is appropriate to discuss your issues with my actions on a third party's talk page? Why did you refer to me as Centrify's "favourite person"? Are you attempting to take retributive action because you don't like my comments pertaining to roller derby? Dualus (talk) 01:01, 2 November 2011 (UTC)