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Image A:
Ed Miliband on August 27, 2010 cropped.jpg
(Proposed) Image B:
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The question of which image to have in the infobox, out of the two above, was discussed last year where the general consensus seemed to be to keep Image A until something better came along. But it's been over a year now and I feel a replacement is needed and the discussion should be re-opened.

I believe Image B is aesthetically more pleasing because it's better lit (it better contrasts with the light background; not excessively red), and itswider and not as obviously cropped - Ed doesn't look like he's crammed into the picture. Additionally, I think Image B is a 'nicer' picture of Ed where he's caught in his officially capacity as a speaker (with added articulation with the hands) and leader. B may have the 'wide eyed' look, but it doesn't feature the smile which gives his teeth and his jaw a rather awkward look. In A he seems unaware of the photograph, as if it was taken by surprise. In B he is poised for the picture and staring clearly ahead which gives us a clearer profile of his whole face (no shadow over half his face).

In conclusion I believe Image B is most suitable for this article Peter (talk) 23:43, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

- Support A - portrait style and looking into the article as per MOS. The the 'wide eyed' surprised look just makes him look like a bog eyed alien. What we are more looking for at this time - both pictures are dated for a UK political leader is a new picture, one year more updated. Both pictures in this discussion have their issues - better than putting energy into this dated discussion is to find a high quality much more recent one. - note - I added pic c a crop of b - its better without the invisible ball holding hands - although the raised eyebrows and the surprised eyes still rule it out for me. The current pic, although not perfect has , normal eyebrows, pleasant smile and is a portrait style looking into the article as per MOS for biography infobox pictures. I was looking at this photostream. - Off2riorob (talk) 23:48, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

Nice find! Are images on flickr fair use? Because a few of those could potentially be used in the infobox. Peter (talk) 23:49, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes some of those are - how you check is look to the right hand side and click on the link - Some rights reserved and you are led to a screen with the copyright status -like http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed.en most of the commons licenses are usable on commons - unless it says no derivatives or no non educational bla bla - you get the picture. We could definitely use updating to a 2011 picture.Off2riorob (talk) 23:52, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

Personally i think B is the best. Edinburgh Wanderer 20:59, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Does this page meet WP:GA?

Given the number of changes that go on to this page, does it meet WP:GA? point #5 at this time ? Mt king 05:05, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

No. --John (talk) 19:01, 25 November 2011 (UTC)

removed addition- Milibands comment about Israel

In Miliband's first speech as Labour leader he said that Israel was the only obstacle to a "just and lasting peace" in the Middle East.

- http://www.thejc.com/comment-and-debate/comment/46559/what-does-ed-stand

This comment seems a perfectly good addition. As Miliband is a Jew his comments about Israel seem to be quite important. He made it in his opening speech as Labour leader where you would expect him to lay out his positions. It was removed with the comment, "Not a 'self description of views' and sourced to a highly-questionable article" - that seems strange, Miliband said in his first speech as leader...bla bla, that seems to clearly be his - (actually quite well known) position and written in a Jewish publication, is the www.thejc.com not a wikipedia reliable source? Youreallycan (talk) 14:39, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

The comment is sourced to a highly-partisan comment piece on the Jewish Chronicle website. It cannot possibly be characterised as a 'Self-description of views' as the section is headed. The JC piece provides no context whatsoever for the statement, and frankly, looks like a bit of selective quoting (or given the author, misquoting) to justify a hatchet-job. And no, if Miliband's comments about Israel are important, it is because he is leader of the Labour party, not because he is a Jew. I suggest that you start by finding a source that provides context for the statement, along with evidence from a reliable source that it was actually seen as significant, and then we can discuss where, if anywhere, it can be added to the article. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:47, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

I can look for more citations to support. Do you agree that as a Jew his position on Israel is noteworthy? Youreallycan (talk) 15:00, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

In September 2011 in a speech to the Labour Friends of Israel, indicative that the Labour party under Miliband was moving away from the Blair-Brown position of support for Israel, Miliband said that it was right to support the Palestinian bid for statehood.

Do you have any objections to me adding this? Youreallycan (talk) 15:07, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes I do. The Jewish Chronicle is a partisan source, and has clearly cherry-picked Miliband's speeches to make a point. If we are to characterise his political views, we should do it from mainstream sources, not from those with a particular perspective. And no, I do not think that someone's ethnicity makes their views on Israel more or less important. AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:14, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

We will have to disagree that his position on Israel is not of heightened interest due to his ethnicity. Mainstream sources, the Guardian? I will look for more. Youreallycan (talk) 15:27, 30 November 2011 (UTC)

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