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Summarised sections

A:Visited links

Hi,

When going through the diffs on my watchlist, I noticed that in some cases, after I'd clicked on a diff link and refreshed the page, the diff link would appear in the a:link color instead of the a:visited color. To put that differently, the links I've clicked appear in purple instead of blue (like they should). Is there any reason for this?

Also, I'm wondering who keeps modifying monobook.css. With the current style, the difference in color between visited links and regular links is very small, so it's a bit hard to differentiate. Where would it be appropriate to discuss issues like this (and that strange blue background that seems to have disappeared)?

Acegikmo1 01:55, 11 Jul 2004 (UTC)

See MediaWiki talk:monobook.css for changes to the skin.

Image doesn't exist, yet does

File:HarryP.jpg

This image was uploaded by the vandal User:John Smith.

If you click on it, you'll get the "Misplaced Pages does not have an article on this topic yet", and there's no history. So the image doesn't exist, but you're viewing it just the same.

An admin apparently was deleting it at the same time I was slapping a "speedy delete" tag on it, and weirdness ensued.

No, that wasn't the reason. For images there are two deletions necessary - one is the image description page, and the other is the actual image itself. While the first one works the same as the deletion of normal articles, the image itself must be deleted via a second "delete" link next to the image revision list. Apparently not all admins know about that - I myself did wrong deletions until I discovered a mention of the "correct" deletion on the German village pump. Maybe the "deletion successful" text should have a note about images? andy 10:07, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
This question inspired me to write the Administrators' how-to guide which explains how to delete images properly, along with other things new sysops might not know. Angela. 00:54, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
That's really a good page. I can remember that when I became an admin, I was wondering a lot what this new "rollback" button is supposed to do, and only after searching through several pages in the wikipedia namespace I could find it, so a list like that one would have helped me a lot. Now we just need to make sure every newly created admin is guided to that page. andy 07:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages for Cell Phones

I am wondering if there is any type of movement toward developing a cell phone web interface for Misplaced Pages?

I have spent significant time developing for and doing research with cell phone technology, and truly believe that providing a cell phone interface (text based, possibly just read-only) for Misplaced Pages (or an information source like it) could be a dramatic step forward in information sharing and availability world wide. With the broad use of cell phones, and their increased internet access, I believe that the opportunity to carry the world's largest and most dynamic encyclopedia around in your pocket might be incredible. (Additionally, a phase 2 operation that allows users to enter articles and post images from their camera phones, has the potential for an exponential increase in wikipedia data)

I am new to Misplaced Pages, so do not know exactly how all of the business management works, but would be more then happy to lead this initiative if it has not already been started, assuming that the idea receives interest from others.

This is a great idea. You'll want to contact the Wikimedia software project about it, since that's where it would inevitably have to plug in. It may also influence the hardware infrastructure if it were put in. The trickiest part would be designing an efficient interface for the smaller screen. Good luck with this. Derrick Coetzee 20:51, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This has been mentioned a little over at meta:Mobile_subdomain. I've personally had good success accessing Misplaced Pages with the 'MySkin' skin on my Treo, although I guess you're probably talking about adding some sort of WAP interface. --NeuronExMachina 01:20, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

That red box

The box is now editable by sysops at MediaWiki:Fundraising notice. Full details at m:Fundraising site notice. Discussion at m:Talk:Fundraising site notice.

Text jumping to new lines

I've noticed that the text beside wikilinks has strangely appeared on a new line in List of Governors of Massachusetts and Misplaced Pages talk:Requests for adminship. What's going on?

Acegikmo1 16:57, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

1938 in film

Would someone mind going to 1938 in film and fixing the page. Thanks. JillandJack 17:52, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Is it OK now? — Chameleon My page/My talk 18:36, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Vandalism

I'm sorry if the answer to this problem is easy (and I daresay it is), but I've had a look through various sections on Misplaced Pages, and am unable to find a page for reporting vandalism. There are various offensive remarks on pages related to Seinfeld, such as Jerry Seinfeld, Jason Alexander and Michael Richards. Should I go into the page history and revert these pages to their previous versions? And where should I report the offender?

As I say, I'm sorry if this query seems somewhat plebian, but help would be appreciated!

Yes, you can just go into the history and revert any vandalisms, see Misplaced Pages:Revert, and for reporting vandalisms, see Misplaced Pages:Vandalism in progress. Dori | Talk 19:09, Jul 12, 2004 (UTC)
The fact that someone looking for such a page could not find it is indicative of a problem with the interface. Could you describe your experience, what you tried and so on? It would be helpful feedback. Derrick Coetzee 05:20, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Opt-in Google-ads?

Please discuss at m:Opt-in Google-ads

Carrying on a discussion with another user, back and forth between his User_talk and mine?

What's the generally-accepted method of carrying on a discussion with another Misplaced Pages user? Say someone adds a comment to my User_talk page... if I reply beneath it, he doesn't get any notification that I replied, does he? So I go post to his User_talk page instead, and then posts his reply to mine, and I post my reply to his... and then each of our User_talk pages has half a conversation, and someone wishing to read the whole conversation has to keep jumping back and forth between two pages. Is there a better way, short of resorting to email? Or does Misplaced Pages have a way of letting me know if someone's replied on his User_talk page to a comment I left there? Brian Kendig 23:17, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

If you post something at some users talk page tick the 'watch this page' box, this will inform you when he/she responds. --Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 23:21, 2004 Jul 12 (UTC)
Generally, you can reply to them and just say "see reply on my talk page", letting them know that the conversation will continue there. ] 23:20, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I usually answer on the other talk page, but cut copy so my talk page has a complete conversation for reference purposes. -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:56, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I never no what to do... (it gives me the same anxiety I get about if I'm supposed to shake hands or not) :-) Erich 08:53, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Once the discussion is over (and hope it gets over!) copy the bits and parts and format them on your user-talk page. If your talk partner/s are interested, they can do the same with their user-talk pages. Jay 17:08, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Deleting items from my watchlist

I am unable to delete items from my watchlist using display and edit the complete list. I click the right buttons, and am told that the items have been removed from my watch list, but they stay. I am using mozilla firefox 0.8 (actually mozilla webgiraffe, but never mind :))Thue | talk 23:18, 12 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Does wikipedia represent the entire world?

and related sections moved to User talk:Drbalaji md

Doubling (Tripling) problem

OK, I obviously just tripled the above poll. What causes this? I can only guess it has something to do with using the "Show Preview" button, because I previewed twice, but maybe something else is at work. Peace, --Fritzlein 00:13, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Or could it be that the 'almighty' wants this poll to reproduce itself (may be that is the only way to act democratic here!) --Drbalaji md 00:17, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

VFD dupe problem

So9mething has gone wrong with VfD in the last half hour, probably at least a partial duplication. E.g., there's a block of new stuff after a block of inter-lang links. Perhaps just repair under way, but intro section shows as new material. --Jerzy(t) 00:28, 2004 Jul 13 (UTC)

Section editing broken on ref desk

Section editing on Misplaced Pages:Reference desk seems to be off by one. That is, when I go to edit the section on clouds, I end up editing the question about the Peace Cross, and I have to go to the next question to talk about clouds. I've seen this before, something about comments in headings or something? Anyone know how to fix it? moink 00:34, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Nevermind, I fixed it. moink 00:36, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
How'd you fix it? I noticed that meta:MediaWiki 1.3 comments and bug reports was off by 2 a day or so ago. --ssd 05:24, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
If a HTML comment precedes a header, it'll act as if the header is still there. Each commented-out header has to be "escaped". I think that's the reason, I can't remember for sure. Dysprosia 06:42, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
There was a header that wasn't quite right a while up. I'd rewrite it here, but I'm worried that even with nowiki it would mess things up. Here, this is the fix: moink 21:03, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Promotional buttons

I created a page called Misplaced Pages:Promotional buttons as an example of how we could encourage promotion of Misplaced Pages via the web. I'm no graphics designer so they're not great buttons, but they get the point across. Please go to the talk page to help decide if this is a good idea. —siroχo 11:25, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

You might want to put those in the public domain or free-distribution at least. It's a bit of a trauble to follow the GFDL just for one button, distrubute a licence and such. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 12:29, 2004 Jul 13 (UTC)
Would we want to do that? Isn't the logo trademarked? ] 13:23, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
You don't have to use the Misplaced Pages logo in the buttons. It makes it a lot easier for other sites to display banners and buttons if they don't have to think about the GFDL. Might I remind people that there is also a Misplaced Pages:Banners and buttons. Dori | Talk 13:31, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)
I've been bold and merged those two pages. — Chameleon My page/My talk 17:48, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I had never seen that page, thanks for merging them. Perhaps there should be a link to that page from the community portal. —siroχo 00:02, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Okruzi and Template:Okruzi

What is the policy with terms from other languages. As this is en.wikipedia, shouldn't this be listed as Districts of Serbia? - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 16:52, Jul 13, 2004 (UTC)

Yes, it should. Zocky 20:38, 13 Jul 2004 (UTC)
The policy is at Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (use English). Gdr 21:43, 2004 Jul 13 (UTC)

Minnam

Minnan links do not show as real interlanguage links. This is a known bug. (summarised)

Category:Candidates for speedy deletion is jacked UP!

It's not as bad as it was earlier, but it still looks crizzappy. For some reason, the category list content is getting stuck inside the "shortcut" box. Don't know why. Someone take a look at it, will ya? blankfaze | (беседа!) 01:02, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

It went funny when the shortcut text was replaced by the Template:Shortcut template. Don't know why. I've hardcoded the template contents in there for now, hopefully someone more knowledgeable can take a look? —Stormie 02:50, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
Thanks. blankfaze | (беседа!) 03:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Finding images tutorial

I need an image is a frequent request at Misplaced Pages. Last month there was a discussion on the VP, and some wikipedians were happy to receive tips about how to get an image from Google or somewhere else. I think there is the need for a summary of such kind of advice, and since I was doing a lot of work on Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures, I had some experience and wrote a Misplaced Pages:Finding images tutorial. Please let me know if this is useful, and feel free to add links and (hust) fix my grammar and spelling (hust). happy editing -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:07, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I would also like to see a Request for Diagrams page. I'd like to make diagrams for many pages that need them, and have already done so for many pages I've found, but I don't know which pages need them most. Derrick Coetzee 05:18, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
A diagram is an image, so just add it to Misplaced Pages:Requested pictures. I have previously added images for a number of diagram requests there -- Chris 73 | Talk 05:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Redirects on RC and NP

I don't know how technically feasible this is, but it seems to me that it'd be very handy for the Special:Recentchanges and Special:Newpages to show when an entry simply contained a #REDIRECT. As someone who patrols RC regularly and NP occasionally, I think it'd be good to know at a glance which entries can be disregarded completely because they're just redirect pages. Sometimes people indicate this in the edit summary, or by marking a new page as a minor edit (so that it shows up as "Nm" on the list), but this isn't always that consistent. Could we get some kind of notation on the lists (maybe an "r" where "N" and "m" go?) or, failing that, a push for more widespread usage of the new-and-minor convention? —Etaoin 06:30, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Trouble is, is it really safe to disregard anything if you are on the lookout for vandalism? I am sure we all know of cases where something that can be marked as innocuous and might be disregarded has had a more serious effect than you'd think, at first sight. As the system gets cleverer the vandals will too ... <sigh> --Nevilley 07:12, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
On the newpages the redirects are already filtered out - only those redirects show up which are for whatever reason broken - like #redrict ] - and thus if you spot a short page on NewPages which looks like a redirect it is a redirect which needs fixing. However not all redirects are good - I recently had to override some with disambiguation pages, as the one who created those redirect did not check what articles linked there and did not notice that the lastname of a famous person was also the name of a city, and then a link to that city led to a totally unrelated article. Thus they should be listed on recentchanges at least. andy 07:14, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Weird timestamp of 1969

Image:Hit.bmp shows a timestamp of "23:59, 31 Dec 1969". How come ? Jay 07:17, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Images that don't exist show the beginning of the Unix epoch as their timestamp. Maximus Rex 07:23, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Dumb question

How does one find out the current size of a page? Bmills 11:34, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

In what sense? — Chameleon My page/My talk 11:52, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Number of bytes. Bmills 11:58, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Dumb answer: Go to edit mode, select all text, copy to clipboard, open notepad.exe (or any other plain text editor), paste, save as file, select file in explorer, watch properties. OK, quite a lot of steps to do, but AFAIK the only page which shows the size of an article is the special:NewPages. andy 12:02, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:Page size might be helpful too. TPK 12:04, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What a good use for the Search facility! Thanks all. Bmills 12:12, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In a very long article, you will get a warning about its size, with the size displayed in Kilobytes. Its a handy way to know when to split up an article. Krik 14:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC).

Usage of Request for Comment

WP:RFC is a rather useful page, but I'm not sure how to make use of the subpages for disputes regarding users' conduct. Can someone give me a quick runthrough, as another sysop has asked me the same thing and I was only able to give an "I think..." answer? From what I gather, if somebody has been directly involved in discussion with the user in question, and attempted to resolve the conflict, they are permitted to add their own summary of events and various proofs to the "Statement of dispute" section. Is this true? Also, WP:RFC is rather vague on what sort of action will be taken after a user has passed the two negotiator threshold, which brings me to my next question: How can one achieve this threshold? Is it by adding one's summary of events to the "Statement of dispute" section as I discussed above, or is it possible too to count somewhat unrelated experiences in "Outside view" to what is mentioned in the "Statement of dispute" section, but related to violations of the policies the user is alleged to have broken? Thanks for any and all help — and if this is any indication, I think the page should be overhauled, because I had enough trouble trying to figure out the formatting for subpages (thank goodness there's an example). Johnleemk | Talk 12:39, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I can't edit WP:VFD

I just get a database error. I do however, need to add the following:

Zyzzva

Dr. Ani Jones

Caché

Well it won't flipping go on the vfd page! Dunc_Harris|☺ 14:40, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Ghey

Extended warranty

Same problem for the above two entries here. Lupo 14:49, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Shall we set up a page at Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/temp? Can someone with the power to do stuff with whizzy things and the like sort this problem out? Is the page too long? Dunc_Harris|☺ 14:54, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

This has been going on for quite a while. Does anyone understand what is happening? Is there an estimated time for a fix? -- Jmabel 06:22, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
Per suggestion above, we are now using Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/temp until WP:VFD is fixed.

Searching within external links

I just removed a bunch of spam links to that had been posted by two different anon IPs to seemingly random pages (for example, Stevenage and Leisure Suit Larry). Is there any way I can search within the content of external links to see if this URL has been posted from any other IPs? I've tried a Google search, which found me one of the IPs (and enabled me to remove some spam for the same site from the Belorussian and Polish Wikipedias - my first international edits!) -- ALargeElk | Talk 15:55, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Deleting

If anyone is in the mood for deleting some copyvios, Misplaced Pages:Copyright problems is pretty full. I just don't have time for that big a task right now. Dori | Talk 17:27, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Permissibility of Including Promotional Images

I was wondering, for articles on such artistic creations like comic books and films and related articles, is it permissible to include images of magazine covers and video packages in the articles? These are images that are supposedly meant to be freely displayed in a marketing effort.

IANAL, but I'm fairly certain that use of such images is covered under fair use. That is, pictures of such things are covered under fair use, but I am not certain you can just lift an image off a web site and use it here. But I have used scans I've made of covers of books and such in several articles, and they are covered under fair use. If you want to use someone else's scan, for example, contact them and ask for permission. If they give it, include that information with the image when you upload it. — Frecklefoot | Talk 18:37, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
It is hardly "anal" to request clarification on a matter of image policy. - User:Kchishol1970
Hehe. IANAL = "I am not a lawyer". I'm pretty sure that covers are Misplaced Pages:fair use as well. - DropDeadGorgias (talk) 19:22, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
Sorry about the acronym. I've found this site, AcronymFinder, pretty helpful for acronyms I don't recognize. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 21:16, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Editing offline with a text editor

Is there any software I can download to enable me to see texts I am editing whilst off line? I make use of stuff from 1911 Encyclopaedia, edited in NoteTab Pro, which enables me to get foreign accents and also the spelling right. I would like to be able to do this and then go online to upload only when I am satified the job looks right. Apwoolrich 19:39, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I was working on an application called WikiEdit that would allow you to WYSIWYG edit text (and images, tables, etc.) for Misplaced Pages. It'd let you see the rendered text in one pane while editing with Wikimarkup in the other pane. It also had spell check and such. The text would then save out in wikimarkup, ready to be uploaded to the 'pedia. But no one else seemed interested in it, so I abondoned the project. I haven't heard, but perhaps someone else has such an editor. — Frecklefoot | Talk 20:32, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)
I'd be interested in such a project, even if it wasn't full WYSIWYG. At present I often copy from an edit box, in order to get the unformatted Wikitext, and then edit that offline using a dumb editor. It wouldn't be hard to improve on that, surely! On the other hand, it seems to work quite well, perhaps because I'm accustomed to using the edit box online, which is also a dumb editor (even dumber than the ones I use offline) and seems to work well too.
But the main problem with the approach I currently use is it doesn't even warn of edit conflicts, you need to check for these manually. I see a potential problem there if a smarter editor was available for offline editing use than for online editing. The prospect of a generation of newbies all innocently editing offline with no edit conflict warnings is horrible to contemplate. This is IMO not a trivial thing to solve, I may be wrong there. Andrewa 21:41, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Edit conflicts are a concern, but it is rare that I edit an article and run into one (I guess I don't edit popular articles often). That being said, since conflicts are a concern, the user would need to check to see if anyone edited his article since the time they "grabbed" the text from the edit box (I envisioned taking existing text from the edit box to get the current wikimarkup). If not, they could paste their text in with no worries. If they authored a brand new article, however, no worries. :-) — Frecklefoot | Talk 15:13, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

Info needed on wiki specifics

  • I need to know how to edit the boilerplate links eg {India}} ?
  • I once came across some wikipedia user statistics showing the most active contributors, and other such data. Where do I find it?
  • The Snow article contains records which seem to be US records? Are these the world records or US records? If the latter, can corrections be undertaken by someone?

Thanks ¶ nichalp 20:35, Jul 14, 2004 (UTC)

Boilerplate text accessed by {{India}} is in Template:India, and so on. Marnanel 20:38, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages:List of Wikipedians by number of edits lists data and also links to several relevent pages, although the data listed on the current page may not be accurate. Acegikmo1 21:10, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Nude Pictures

Is there a policy? I think as long as they are not porn pictures we should be able to post them

  • It has pretty much been decided that clinical-esque photos (such as those on penis and clitoris) are just at the edge of what is acceptable. →Raul654 03:15, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)

Oddity in a table

There's an oddity in the table on http://en.wikipedia.org/ISO_3166-2:ID where the first line "Bali" is indented, by way of having extra spaces in the html <pre> even though in the wiki source I can't see a reason for it. ;Bear 21:25, 2004 Jul 14 (UTC)

Seems due to the tabs in the wikitext, hence it seems better to use spaces.--Patrick 23:07, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Categorizing images

  • Hello I am a user from to Misplaced Pages in spanish. My propose it´s show you that I discovered two days ago.
  • The images may to be categorized, and then it´s more easy for users to find the image what they need for those article. In "enWikip" you have 11360 images, and so it´s very difficult to find one image for to put in one article. If you will be categorize all images, for theme (topic), then to search the image it´s easy.
  • How?: In the page of the image you must edit and to put the ] where "Topic" it´s the category like it to have in the articles, but adding the suffix (images) (witn a space between). So in all images. Each images accept several categories, it´s very "recomendable" what not only edit one category, but also all categories which the images "in".
  • The categories so creates, they must categorized in the three o subcategorized, where the category master it´s : ] . This category, and the rest of subcategories, appear in the page of categories but, they difference from categories of articles, in the suffix (images) .
  • I have create the category images and i have introduced one image for to show you like this to do. You can to see Category:Images for details.. in the Spanish Misplaced Pages, y have categorized around 80 images and you can to see there, if here you don´t understand the "how" : http://es.wikipedia.org/Category:Im%E1genes
  • I´m sorry , what you now for me you hace more work , but it´s one step more, for to arrive to our "meta"...
  • If you have any doubts quetion me, (in the wikipedia spanish, please : shame user), but me english it´s bad... lucky: .. --Crescent Moon 22:25, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)
  • One more thing: you must to tel this to another wikipedia´s in another countries ... --Crescent Moon 22:31, 14 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Links within Pages

I want to put a link from the German Page de:Commodore Produktübersicht to the Product line section of the Commodore International page. I tried ], but that didn't work. I tried ], but that didn't work either . Salasks 03:36, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Interwiki links to sections do not work, except with external link style. Hence, the link has to be in the page, instead of in the edge (done). The HTML has the code %23 for #, which does not work.--Patrick 11:02, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)


Can't edit all sections of an article?

Maybe it's just me, since I just started looking on this thing today, but I could swear that there is no way to edit the first sections of articles. An example of this is that the first editable section of the entry for Bakersfield is Geography, while there is a whole paragraph above that. Specifically, I was wondering what to do about the factual error(s) in the heading for the "Jesus" entry.

Hope I'm not just being a newbie... but that's what I am.

Instead of hitting the button, hit the "edit this page" tab at the top. You should be able to edit anything there. Fuzheado | Talk 06:05, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Unfortunately, that loads the entire page, which may not be entirely desirable. This bug has been submitted at sourceforge. Dysprosia 06:16, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What I usually do is to load the first edit button, then change the "1" at the end to a "0". Annoying, but better than nothing. Ambivalenthysteria 06:37, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Proposed renaming of Misplaced Pages:Sandbox

I should really be asking this at Wikipedia_talk:Sandbox but I doubt too many people have that on their watchlist, and it is liable to get trashed. I think it would be a good idea to rename the sandbox to Misplaced Pages:Test area. At least in the UK, the word sandbox is not widely known - it is generally restricted to computer-savvy users for whom the sandbox is a common concept. As happily WP now has lots of non-computer-savvy editors, it would be good to help them out. I think a test area would be more widely used than the sandbox, thus reducing the clean up burden on RC-watchers.

I have a feeling that sandbox has a wider usage in the US? Even if this is true, Americans will still understand test area, so I see this as no-lose change. Sound ok to you? Pcb21| Pete 08:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Sound good to me, at least :). Thue | talk 11:09, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Sandbox. It's a box. Has sand in it. Little kids play around in it and make sandcastles. :) - Fennec (はさばくのきつね) 12:32, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Yeah... it's not international enough. Pcb21| Pete 12:51, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
In England that's a sandpit. "Sandbox" is unknown. Marnanel 14:34, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I don't like it. Sandbox is a feature of any wiki, and it's well known as such. Dori | Talk 12:59, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
It is aimed at being helpful to the general reader, rather than those already familiar with wikis (who probably don't need to use it! :)) Pcb21| Pete 13:12, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It's also been mentioned as a Sandbox in many news articles. It will confuse those first time readers who come looking for a Sandbox and have trouble finding it. Dori | Talk 13:21, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
I really don't buy that at all. I think it is more that you just like the old name better. Pcb21| Pete 15:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Isn't that what a REDIRECT is good for? Actually I think someone's already done it, so unless there's one of those war thingies over it, this is now a moot point. --Phil | Talk 13:33, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
I agree completely with what Dori said. Having a sandbox is as much part of a wiki as having "edit this page". Please don't change it. Angela. 14:20, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
What's next? Will we be moving Misplaced Pages:Village pump to Misplaced Pages:Talk area? I strongly concur with Dori and Angela. Please move it back. -- Hadal 14:25, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Another 'vote' to keep it the way it was and has always been. As my own English is a mixture of British and American English, I never realized there was a difference in what a sandbox is called. Which brings me to the point: what is the sand-filled box in a playground called in the United Kingdom? This is only a matter of curiosity. No matter what the response is, I think the page should remain where it is. - David Remahl 14:28, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
It's called a sandpit.
I personally find the reasons to move it back utterly unconvincing. Wikis traditionally have a sandbox because they grew out of computing background where there is a history of using this word with (roughly) this meaning. No-one has told me why my original point about accessibility was wrong, only said something about "wiki tradition". Misplaced Pages is about the least wiki wiki there is! Pcb21| Pete 15:07, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Maybe we should also note this sacred wiki tradition on our article on wiki. Pcb21| Pete (against IRC groupthink since 2004)
Fair 'nuff, move it back again. Then we can have a REDIRECT at Test Area to satisfy those who like that name, and everybody will be happy... and later on in the show, a troop of monkeys will fly out of my butt singing the Hallelujah Chorus --Phil | Talk 14:35, Jul 15, 2004 (UTC)
Basically US english speakers will know what a sandbox is. UK english speakers will known it is some sort of computer test area (if they've come across it). Until recently I had no idea that a sandbox was a sandpit. I just presumed it was jargon. Secretlondon 20:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Test area is far too suggestive, at least to my mind, of nuclear testing. Do we really want to go there? A redirect is okay, but certainly not renaming. By the way, I've created Misplaced Pages:Sandpit as another redirect. --Michael Snow 17:56, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Given that the nature of the page means there is no need to preserve the data on this page, we can easily support both names. -- Jmabel 01:17, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

MERGE TIME!

The Mirabal sisters and Mirabal sisters need to be merged. Thanks and God bless you1

"Antonio (singing like Elton John) Merger life!! the Merger of life..lol! Martin"

We have an entire page for listing duplicate articles. -- Cyrius|✎ 13:27, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages advertising

I believe some of the money we donate should go to t-shirts' posters and the so...I could talk to Jimmy Wales about it if you guys think its a good idea. I was thinking of Black shirts for the guys, with the Im a wikipedian in white on front and Are you Misplaced Pages.org on back, with the same for girls but inverse colors on shirt and lettering. The idea would be for us wikipedians to buy these products , hats, posters, shirts, 9specially clothes items) and wear them on our reunions, school, trips to the mall, in oder to promote the site to other, future writers. We could also have bumperstickers in our cars, etc etc..

I believe we can be the Sex and The City of the 2000s, the thing people will talk about most when they remember our decade and when I love the 2000s is madeby MTV we should be there.

What do you guys think?

Thanks and God bless!

Sincerely yours, "Antonio, Mandy and Tiffy are the 2000s! Martin

See Misplaced Pages merchandise at CafePress if you haven't already. David Remahl 12:34, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Pronouncing highlighted words

Hello, This is my first time writing at any website, so here goes... I am wondering if it is possible to include the proper/standard pronounciation of a featured (highlighted) word.

Specifically: I clicked on "cloture" from the cover page and was wondering if it is pronounced as it would be in French, or if it has been Americanized. (With the accent on the first or second sylable/hard or soft 'u'?)

(I know there is a dictionary here, as well,... but thought it might be useful to include a quick reference pronounciation so that you don't have to jump around so much; as I find this website so engrossing that I often spend WAY too much time semi-mindlessly grousing from one place to another...)

PS - I'm trying to sign this! Please bear with my/our newbieness! Sincerely, hotdiggittydave (and Lauria)

If you are logged in, you can sign using four tildes (~~~~). Angela. 14:25, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Personally, I love when people include pronounciations; my only beef is when they use obscure systems for writing it. Please feel free to edit articles you know, and include pronounciations. Best wishes, ] 15:11, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
P.S. It's "CLO-chure". HTH.

Thanks for the tips/clarification and Welcome!!! Keep up the great work :-) ```` -hotdiggittydave and Lauria

Bot request

Bot request moved to Wikipedia_talk:Bots --Wclark 15:05, 2004 Jul 15 (UTC)

Save, VFD, Save

I keep on getting database errors when saving VFD. It's getting annoying. JFW | T@lk

See Misplaced Pages:Votes for deletion/temp. Apparently, it's a database error. Best, ] 19:53, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

66.2.146.0/24 blocked for 48hrs

It said to announce it here on Range blocks, i've blocked that range because of extreme unpoliteness to say the least to two user pages, Lucky 6.9 and Noisy, you can read the history yourself but it's not pretty. -- Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason 20:17, 2004 Jul 15 (UTC)

Belongs to Allegience Telecom. Secretlondon 21:05, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
One wonders how someone actually finds it worthwile to invest time to write such utter nonsense? -- Solitude 21:54, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
it's pretty easy to write nonsense. You don't have to spend time researching the facts, or even thinking about what you are going to say. Even the tubgirl link is a very easy URL to remember. Takes almost no effort. Why they want to do it is beyond me. There is no hack value vandalizing a wiki. Some people are just strange. theresa knott 22:14, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
They do it for the same reason someone has just smashed the lights on my bike. People are cockheads. — Chameleon My page/My talk 22:24, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)
Hear, hear. Oh, the examples I could list. This is a bitter, uneducated little freak we're dealing with here. Such a man. I'd love to see the look on his face if he was standing in front of me! What's more, I went and looked at the edit history and I wasn't mean to the guy regarding my delete vote. I even said it was a nice gesture! - Lucky 6.9 23:03, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

The dude really likes to vandalize my user talk page in the early hours of the morning, when he knows I'm not on. Mike H 01:26, Jul 16, 2004 (UTC)

new design

I've been off wikipedia for a while and have only just come back lately. I have been meaning to say that the new look given to wikipedia is absolutely fabulous. The page layout is clean, the placing and boxing of pictures very professional, headlines excellent. If only hardcopy encyclopaedias were as well designed. Full marks to those responsible. (This may already have been discussed ages ago when the design happened, but please accept a belated congratulations. JtdIrL (the user also known as FearEireann but who can't type the 4 little squiggles because of a crap keyboard on this public computer.)

Internal error

Ugh, this can't be good, getting an error when uploading an image:

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Could not copy file "" to "/usr/local/apache/htdocs/en/upload/2/27/Tuned_Honda_CRX.jpg".

Solitude 22:09, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Wow, Misplaced Pages uses Linux! hehe, sorry, random astonishment. Ilyanep (Talk) 01:46, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Broken images

It is probably nd IE 6.028 issue as much as anything, but it looks like there is a problem on Misplaced Pages that kills image rendering on IE6. For example if I visit Leonardo da Vinci, I usually won't get any futher than the thumbnail for ] being rendered. And after that, no linked images in IE6 will be displayed, until I restart the browser. -- Solipsist 23:09, 15 Jul 2004 (UTC)

I'm not an expert, but it seems like you need to clear your cache...Ctrl-F5. Ilyanep (Talk) 01:47, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Prince Hall

I messed up nicely here: not realizing that Prince Hall Masonry was covered under the Freemasonry topic, I created a separate Prince hall topic. However, Prince Hall is a person, and this link should probably go to him. Unfortunately, I don't know much about him besides what's already covered in the Masonry topic. Suggestions? Thanks. --SarekOfVulcan 03:08, 16 Jul 2004 (UTC)