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NYyankees51

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Request concerning NYyankees51

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

–Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 05:43, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

NYyankees51 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

(Note: While in the past I've never encountered admins unwilling to block at ANEW for edit-warring on 1RR arbitration area articles, whether abortion, Israel/Palestine, etc., the admin who took my ANEW report declined it because there were only 2 reverts and directed me here, so here I am with what is more or less a duplicate of my ANEW report.)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Abortion; drafting arb Jclemens clarified here that the closure of the arbitration case did not remove the existing general sanctions which include 1RR.

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

• 1st revert: 18:28, 6 January 2012 - adds statement to lead about CPCs providing other services which was previously removed in this edit; moves statement about CPCs providing false information back to lower paragraph after it was moved up in this edit; changes "reported" to "alleged" after "reported" replaced "accused" in this edit (ignoring extensive talk page discussion of the language which he did not see fit to join or consult)
• 2nd revert: 18:47, 6 January 2012 - repeated same reverts, plus removal of material added less recently, etc.

I'd be happy to provide more instances of disruptive behavior from this user (we could begin with the diffs already provided, which in addition to violating 1RR, also insert uncited information and remove cited information, violate NPOV, etc.) but this is really just an edit-warring report that the closing admin told me to take here, so I'll limit myself.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

User is aware of the 1RR in this topic area, having been blocked for violating it on three separate occasions, and is also aware that the topic is under ArbCom given that he has been a party since the case was filed and has been involved in the discussion all the way through. For sticklers, here is the user being notified of the closure of the arb case, and here is one instance among many of the user being formally warned about violating the general sanctions including 1RR.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

User has a shall-we-say problematic history in this topic area, including but not limited to edit-warring, sockpuppetry, harassment, and paid editing, and was individually warned in the ArbCom decision. As I said, if y'all think we should make a proper case of it then I'd be happy to compile some more evidence, but this is enough to block for a couple of days on the 1RR violation alone, based on the user's history of violating this remedy.

@NYyankees51: anyone can see from looking at your sockpuppet investigation that your multiple accounts edited on articles related to an anti-abortion organization, and the investigation also found (and you subsequently disclosed) that you had a conflict of interest because you worked for that organization. Harassment is harassment even if it was a while ago. Now is not the time to pretend you haven't done anything wrong. To all, with regard to NYY's comment: This "let me off, it was an accident and won't do it again" can only work so many times. It's a violation of WP policy, it just makes more work for everyone else, and after the long hard slog of the arb case it doesn't show that we take the results very seriously if users can pretend time after time that it was just an accident and get off scot-free.

Any other uninvolved admins (or other users) care to comment...? –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:35, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning NYyankees51

Statement by NYyankees51

I did it again, I was making a series of major edits and forgot to use an in-use template. I did the same thing a couple weeks ago . Sorry, I'll make sure not to do it a third time.

Regardless, I'm not sure this is the appropriate forum - the case found that I engaged in a discussion that reflected a battleground mentality but it didn't have anything to do with edit warring, not to mention the other allegations Roscelese has piled in here. (Which I will address very briefly - I engaged in sockpuppetry on a baseball article, not abortion. By harassment, I assume she means an incident last year that I apologized profusely for. I have no idea where the paid editing allegation comes from.) Forgive me if I'm wrong, I'm unfamiliar with enforcement. NYyankees51 (talk) 05:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

@Roscelese - Okay, I see what you meant about the sockpuppetry, but it was dealt with and resolved; otherwise I wouldn't be here. I worked as an intern for the SBA List in the summer of 2009; the issue was raised on COI/N and nobody saw a problem. Is that where the paid editing notion comes from? I was an intern, I wasn't paid a dime. Harassment is harassment, but there's no use drudging it up to use against me when I apologized profusely and as I recall, you accepted the apology.

@Nomoskedasticity - I appreciate the sarcasm, but it actually was a mistake.

@WGFinley - I was bold, I expected to get reverted, and I expected to then discuss the issue on the talk page.

@All - I will take a 96 hour block or whatever is appropriate for the 1RR violation. And if I violate 1RR again, regardless of whether it's a technical mistake or conscious edit warring, I will accept a 120 day topic ban. Does that sound fair? NYyankees51 (talk) 21:18, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning NYyankees51

Comment by Nomoskedasticity

"I forgot the 'in-use' template" -- does that actually work? If so, I might have to try it myself. I suspect a great many others might try it as well. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 09:16, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by The Devil's Advocate

As an editor who often makes large edits in segments over a similar time period I can understand why NY would make the mistake, though much greater care should be taken to look at the revision history before making further changes. I believe a two-month topic ban is a bit much under the circumstances. A longer block would be a good idea just because the editor has done this twice and has a history in the topic area.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 02:22, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Dominus Vobisdu

I only occasionally meet NY during my editing, and have never had direct contact with him. However, when I've encountered him, I've noticed that he likes to play close to the fence. This "mistake" occurred precisely because he was playing too close. A 60 day TBAN as proposed below would hopefully get the point across to back away from the fence, something his previous blocks have not done. His proposal of a 24 hour block is a bit too arrogant, and shows that he does not appreciate the gravity of his error. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 20:29, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning NYyankees51

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• Looks like a pretty clear 1RR violation, I also see zero participation by NYyankees51 on the article's talk page while he/she is making substantive edits and reverts. Given the prior block history it appears a TBAN would be in order, I would propose 60 days. --WGFinley (talk) 16:06, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
• I'd agree. I'm not seeing how anything shorter will get the message across, since blocks don't seem to have been enough of a deterrent. The Blade of the Northern Lights (話して下さい) 02:02, 12 January 2012 (UTC)
• I'm OK with a topic ban of NYyankees51 for two months, but with so many violations of 1RR on abortion related articles I'd be tempted to consider a longer ban. EdJohnston (talk) 03:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

Chesdovi

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Request concerning Chesdovi

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

asad (talk) 21:55, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Chesdovi (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions

Violation

1. 01/07/2012 Changes a cat in Rachel's Tomb from "Mosques in the West Bank" to "Synagogues in the West Bank" and removes the template "Mosques in the Palestinian Territories". This is all despite objection and ongoing discussion on the article's talk page, in which Chesdovi has taken apart of and is obviously aware of.

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Topic-banned June 29th 2011 by Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs)

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

This edit further illustrates the reason why Chesdovi was topic-banned in the first place. It is obvious he clearly disregards what other may feel about the subject to push his point of view. His ongoing insistence on the article's talk page that the location is not, or never has been a mosque, is debated by a large number of high-quality sources. Despite his commenting on the talk page being included with his topic ban, he seems to use his own WP:OR to push his point of view.

This issue is clearly related to ARBPIA especially considering the response the Israeli government gave when UNESCO named the site as a mosque.

@NMMNG - I restored the cat that was already there by simply pressing the undo button, after I filed the report, not before as you have mentioned. I didn't remove anything. -asad (talk) 23:30, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Discussion concerning Chesdovi

Statement by Chesdovi

Chesdovi is currently blocked, I have advised him/her to post statements for this AE report here or via email. --WGFinley (talk) 22:50, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

• Chesdovi has sent me two emails, I've asked twice if there is anything he/she wants posted here, I will update once I have a response. --WGFinley (talk) 22:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Chesdovi

Comment by No More Mr Nice Guy

Asad is misstating the discussion on the article talk page (his implication that there are a "large number of high-quality sources" contradicting Chesdovi's edit). He is also neglecting to mention that a. while there may be room for both categories, the category Chesdovi changed to is appropriate and in no way OR, and b. the category Chesdovi changed from was added recently (as in 3 days ago), without any discussion, by an editor who also has quite a long history of ARBPIA related sanctions. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:05, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Also, in reverting Chesdovi's edit before filing this complaint, Asad himself removed an appropriate category from the article with no discussion. Instead of just adding a category about mosques, he removed a category about synagogues. If what Chesdovi did is inappropriate, so is what asad did. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:10, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

@WGF OK, didn't notice Chesdovi has a specific restriction. I mistakenly read this is a regular ARBPIA enforcement request. No More Mr Nice Guy (talk) 23:32, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Supreme Deliciousness

Would like to point out that chesdovi has violated his topic ban many more times, see the diffs here: --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 03:43, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Jiujitsuguy

In the absence of a response by Chesdovi, I regrettably concur with Wgfinley’s analysis. However, since Supreme Deliciousness has decided to comment, I’d like to highlight SupremeD’s behavior in this sordid mess, which gave rise to Chesdovi’s unfortunate edit. SupremeD has himself just come off a lengthy T-ban. Within days after coming off his ban he refers to other editors in the topic area as notoriously non-neutral editors He then goes on to harass MichaelNetzer asking Netzer personal questions about Netzer’s mother bizarrely asking what was your mother? This earned him a stern rebuke from an admin where he was reminded of his previous topic ban Now, in the midst of a lengthy and rather tedious discussion underway at Rachel’s Tomb concerning whether the site ever functioned as a mosque, SD without consulting the talk page and without even providing an edit summary, adds the category of "Mosques" in the article SD has previously been warned about providing edit summaries here and here and here. Amazingly, the latter warning concerned this very article, “On the above subject, I hope you can consistently provide an edit summary for each and everytime you conduct an edit here on Misplaced Pages. Note that the article page of Rachel's tomb happens to be one of those highly conspicuous ones” It seems that SupremeD avoids edit summaries in an attempt to avoid scrutiny of his edits. If Chesdovi is to be sanctioned for reverting a troublesome edit, I ask that under the circumstances, the combative editor that caused the problem in the first place (Supreme Deliciousness), by failing to explain his contentious edit or even providing an edit summary, be sanctioned as well.--Jiujitsuguy (talk) 07:12, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

You have misrepresented my edits to the extent that its not even worth a reply. I hope the admins can see through this. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 21:08, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning Chesdovi

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• Chesdovi has more bans than I can even keep my head around on the ARBPIA log and a P-I topic ban is one of them. He/She is also fresh off having a 30 day block reduced in November with a warning from Tim that future violations would likely lead to reinstatement of the block. I'm going to put that 30-day block back in place. I am going to leave this open though because I think it's time for discussion of an indefinite TBAN since Chesdovi shows no signs of reforming. I think some input from admins who have made the various bans would be helpful. --WGFinley (talk) 22:39, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

  NMMNG: the issue here isn't whether the action was valid or Asad is misrepresenting the discussion but whether it falls under Chesdovi's ARBPIA TBAN. Changing a "mosque" category to a "synagogue" category would be a prima facie violation. --WGFinley (talk) 23:22, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

SonofSetanta

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Request concerning SonofSetanta

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Mo ainm~Talk 15:24, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

SonofSetanta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

Misplaced Pages:Requests for arbitration/The Troubles#Final remedies for AE case

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 12:13, 8 January 2012 First revert, clearly a revert without any need for further explanation
2. 13:19, 8 January 2012 Second revert, an attempt to remove the same content SonofSetanta attempted to remove an hour earlier before being reverted by me. Breach of the 1RR restriction, as it was done within 24 hours of the first revert

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. Warned on 18:03, 21 October 2010 by Mo ainm (talk · contribs)
2. Also blocked for 48 hours at 20:04, 25 October 2010 so more than aware.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

The background on this editor is relevant here as well. He is a reincarnation of The Thunderer (talk · contribs), see Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/The Thunderer/Archive for details. He will probably still claim he is not the same editor as he tried here, but that wasn't the conclusion at all. The Thunderer's block log can be seen here and would probably have been far worse if not the main target of his edit warring (the Ulster Defence Regiment article he's edit warring on now) being protected on multiple occasions. Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive71#SonofSetanta is also relevant, as that was where he attempted to escape sanctions by claiming to be new and denying he was a reincarnation of The Thunderer.

I asked him here and here to self-revert, as if he genuinely made two reverts in error he should have no problem reverting. He failed to do so, yet found ample time to amend my comments on his own talk page.

In response to comment below, "I am not a reincarnation of anyone and there was a full investigation over a year ago which I gather cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever" the discussion at User talk:HelloAnnyong/Archive 13#Assistance Requested paints a totallly different picture, pointing out he replied to the post reading "I didn't say you weren't the same editor - I just said that there wasn't justification for blocks or other action"

And further responding to below comments, SonofSetanta says "I am not a reincarnation of anyone and there was a full investigation which I gather cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever". As already mentioned, the investigation can be seen at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/The Thunderer/Archive. There are two comments in the admin section, one is by Nakon (talk · contribs) and reads "I do like that "official historian" evidence. I'm inclined to agree based on behavioral evidence, as the IP data would definitely be stale by now, but I would appreciate another admin's comment". The second is by HelloAnnyong (talk · contribs) and reads "Actually, I'm closing this case for now. SonofSetanta hasn't edited since this case was opened, and The Thunderer hasn't edited since 2008. There isn't really any overlap in the accounts, so it may be a case of lost account information or something. In other words, I'm not seeing any malicious intent here. If any new evidence comes up, though, feel free to relist" (despite lost account information never being mentioned since SonofSetanta always denied editing before, but that's another matter). So there's absolutely nowhere that the case "cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever".

There is a permanent link to the talk page discussion referred to. It refers to comments that SonofSetanta is a sock. SonofSetanta claims "I asked you because you investigated me last year when he and others said the same. You concluded, rightly, that I am not. Why is he still making this accusation when it's been proven otherwise?". HelloAnnyong replies saying "I didn't say you weren't the same editor - I just said that there wasn't justification for blocks or other action". So could anyone possibly tell me where SonofSetanta was cleared of being a reincarnation, especially "without any reservations whatsoever"? Could anyone tell me what I have said is "untrue" as SonofSetanta has alleged? Anyone looking at the links or diffs can see for themselves that SonofSetanta was emphatically not cleared of being a reincarnation, and his claim of "I am not a reincarnation of anyone" is simply another attempt to avoid scrutiny given his previous lengthy block log when he edited as The Thunderer (talk · contribs). Mo ainm~Talk 17:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@ The Devil's Advocate, That's what he claims happened, but he was asked to self-revert on my talk page where he posted his claim and on his own talk page, but failed to do so. He failed to self-revert despite both those requests. Mo ainm~Talk 17:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@ Murray, I didn't add it as it was a revert of an IP which are not covered under the restrictions, but it does call into question the stance that his next revert was a "mistake" Mo ainm~Talk 19:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified here

Discussion concerning SonofSetanta

Statement by SonofSetanta

This is a trivial misuse of the 1RR procedure. I am not a reincarnation of anyone and there was a full investigation over a year ago which I gather cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever. Furthermore I did not break the 1RR on this site. I edited at the same time as this other chap and my edit overwrote his. I've not come across the particular page before which showed we were cross editing so I did a "back page" and pasted the info back in which I had just written. (I always copy my info because of connection problems). My own contributions stand as testimony to the type of person and editor I am. When I realised there was a problem on this article I asked for an RfC on the portion of the site I wished to delete and gave my reasons. I also posted an apology on this poster's talk page. I did not feel I needed to revert afetr placing an RfC and once placed I felt that any editing of the disputed information constituted a breach of the 1RR. I did not go back and revert after a third (unknown) party came in a reverted my edit and feel that he is the one in breach of etiquette, not I. Furthermore I have already given a guarantee in advance that I will not post on that article until the RfC has been completed.

I ask that these allegations against me be dismissed and this editor be warned about making untrue statements about someone being a sockpuppet when it is clearly untrue. Plus a simple check on my IP number will confirm I am not the person this poster claims I am. SonofSetanta

I also ask that it be noted that the only time I have any trouble on this site is when trying to edit articles which involve the Irish Troubles. (namely the B Specials and the Ulster Defence Regiment) There appears to be some form of guard force around these articles who are claiming ownership and only allowing their own cabal to input or delete information. I have no interest in their partisan affiliations. I enjoy editing Misplaced Pages and hope my contributions are always useful and within the rules. SonofSetanta (talk) 15:45, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

This MoAinmh has accused me of: *In response to comment below, "I am not a reincarnation of anyone and there was a full investigation over a year ago which I gather cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever" the discussion at User talk:HelloAnnyong/Archive 13#Assistance Requested paints a totallly different picture, pointing out he replied to the post reading "I didn't say you weren't the same editor - I just said that there wasn't justification for blocks or other action" *

All of this is untrue as can be seen by anyone who reads the link he has given. This goes to prove that this poster is stalking me with a view to presenting me as some sort of problem poster. SonofSetanta (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

The poster "mury" has accused me of being in some way impolite or troublesome. I dispute this emphatically. I merely told him he should not enter into a discussion whilst the RfC was ongoing. A quick glance at the article talk page will confirm this.

I am now feeling that I have been "set about" because I have dared to edit an article which someone has claimed as their own private property. No-one did this to me when I edited any of the other articles I have been on. SonofSetanta (talk) 16:36, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

(talk) 15:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I am fed up to the back teeth with this editor continually calling me a sock puppet. Misplaced Pages rules state that everybody must treat one another in good faith. Where's the good faith being shown to me. Moaimh or whatever your name is - either prove I am a sock puppet or apologise for what you have said.

I am taking no further part in this charade. Somebody can make up their own mind whether I'm genuine or not but I am dreadfully offended by what has happened and I am taking a rest from the stress of this until I feel like posting again. SonofSetanta (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC) SonofSetanta (talk) 17:40, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Further information

I have been made aware that Moaimh is actually a sock puppet of <redacted> who, together with Domer48 has been blocked numerous times for edit warring on articles concerning the Irish Troubles. In fact it would appear that all of the editors who have made statements in support of action against me for my mistake are in fact regularly involved in confrontations with other editors. I would ask that someone with more skill than I in negotiating the whys and wherefores of this site check this information out because if it is true it lends a sinister element to the reasons behind this complaint against me. SonofSetanta (talk) 13:06, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

with regards to the information posted above: I have spent some time today going back through the history of the UDR article. It's very interesting. First of all it's Domer48 and <redacted> tackling allcomers and making editing difficult on the article. Then <redacted> disappears and Moaimh appears. The style is slightly different and I would presume that is because of the number of bans <redacted> had but it's him ok and between him and Domer48 they appear to guard the article against editing. When they see an editor off then they put in whatever they like. I note that the information I am trying to remove was posted by Domer48. There are also one or two other notable names who keep popping up with regards to the article but those are the main two. Interesting as well that when I tried to edit the Ulster Special Constabulary article "pow" this "tag team" appear and try to prevent me doing so. The methodology is simple. Revert any change by a newcomer forcing the newcomer into a reversion. Then the tag partner comes in and reverts again meaning that the poor newcomer is unable to win. It doesn't matter if it's 3RR or 1RR, it works every time.

If there are any people of responsibility here, like admin or moderators I would respectfully suggest that the following might be a good idea: firstly, check if Moaimh is actually <redacted> and secondly remove posting privileges on articles which touch on the Irish Troubles from both Moaimh and Domer48 because of the continued disruption they are causing. This complaint being a perfect example. A simple error on my part - Misplaced Pages solution: assume good faith. So why was this complaint made? My best guess is that it has been made with the hope that I'll back off the article in question, hopefully get another ban which can be used against me in the future, and that eventually I'll get fed up trying to edit articles which the "tag team" are on. The sockpuppet accusations are part of it. The more I can be discredited and the more doubt can be created around my bona fides the better.

That's my opinion based on what I have read today. SonofSetanta (talk) 17:20, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

With further regards to the sockpuppet Moaimh. I call your attention to the comments made by One Night in Hackney (below) which are: "Clean-start accounts should not return to old topic areas, editing patterns, or behavior previously identified as problematic, and should be careful not to do anything that looks like an attempt to evade scrutiny". Return to old topic area? Check. Return to old editing patterns? Check. Return to behavior previously identified as problematic? Check. Is it really the case that anyone with a long block log can just start again with a new name, edit the same articles in the same way and cause the same problems, yet hide behind a claim of not being the same person when it's obvious they are? Bearing in mind the extensive block log which <redacted> had, how many incidents of this nature has Moaimh been involved in? There may be a change in the behaviour pattern but it's still as disruptive as it was prior to the sock/name change and I'm the one caught in the middle of his games. (His and those of his tag partner(s). The issue is the names. The same ones keep occurring time and time again on the Ulster Defence Regiment article and they have driven off a number of editors including The Thunderer, who they all seem to be so fired up about. From what I can see he was hounded for every edit he/she was trying to make and he/she did a very good job of raising the UDR article up from stub class. It looks like he/she freaked out a bit at the end but who on earth would blame him/her with the amount of pressure he was under from this cabal (the only term I can find for it). Amongst the last postings on Thunderers home page was a statement by --Tznkai (talk) which said There is clearly a significant problem, and I intend to get to the bottom of it. I am not going to block anyone yet: there are several "guilty" parties, but I'm not yet sure if any one deserves more severe sanctions than the other. Looking further down the list of his/her posts it seems he was having incredible trouble editing the UDR and USC pages (both of which he/she raised from stub) and who are the other protagonists? Domer48 and <redacted>. Thunderer can be seen to be posting messages asking for mediation meanwhile on every article he posts he/she appears to be challenged by <redacted> which in retrospect appears to be one very serious case of stalking. My guess is that Thunderer is a bloke with a strong interest in the British military, same as me. I can say this much though: all of this happened 3 1/2 - 4 years ago and Thunderer notched up quite a few edits on a fairly big number of pages between July and November 2008. Taking military stub articles and beefing them up, most of which seem to be relatively unchanged since he left. Misplaced Pages lost that prolific editor because the cabal chased him out and nobody spotted what was going on, or if they did it was too late.

It looks like they are trying the same with me. How long does anyone think I'll last? I've already freaked out several times when I tried to edit the UDR and USC websites. People say: stay away from those websites until you know more. I did but has anything changed? NO! As long as I leave the articles in private ownership alone I can enjoy editing Misplaced Pages but if I don't leave them alone I'll be hounded out. I fell for it once and got a ban and they're pushing for me to get another ban so that they can say I'm a troublemaker. SonofSetanta (talk) 18:18, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

This complaint is without foundation and has only served as a forum for several other editors to exercise incivility and hurtful personal attacks against me. I request that the complaint be dismissed and action taken against those who have broken Misplaced Pages etiquette. SonofSetanta (talk) 12:19, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning SonofSetanta

Comment by Murry1975

I reverted the artilce to the stable version and discussed my view of his edits being censorship to which SonofSetanta accused me of personal remarks . He should have self reverted , and by his comments here "This is a trivial misuse of the 1RR procedure" from above and his previous block for similar he seems not to follow Wiki rules or even attempt ot if it does not suit him. He also mentions above the only time he has problems is on Troubles articles, maybe sanctions of a topic ban would suit after the block didnt deter this kind of rule breaking.Murry1975 (talk) 16:16, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@Devils Advocate, are you allowed change anothers editors words on here? I can understand removing the shouting but change words in his statement ?Murry1975 (talk) 18:02, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I notice Mo Ainm, has shown only 2 reverts, the first revert was http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Ulster_Defence_Regiment&diff=470246283&oldid=469879852 previous to the two others. Thats THREE reverts not one on a 1RR article. Whatever about pleading that he was editing when one occured there was more.Murry1975 (talk) 18:50, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@Mo ainm , no it was a One Night In Hackney edit on the sixth not an IP edit.Murry1975 (talk) 19:09, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@SonofSetanta , thats a serious call also how did you come to such conclusions? And remember the last time you were block it was Mo ainm who offered help because you cliamed you were in over your head (I have read up). You are probably digging a hole for yourself , this is mainly about your breach of 1RR yet you are ignoring that point, and concentrating on the SP side.Murry1975 (talk) 13:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

@This complaint was made because you, not for the first time as SonofSetanta, broke the 1RR, not anyother reason. And I too have done some research into The Thunderer. He too attacked the editors Domer and <redacted> the same way you attack Domer and Mo Ainm. This is your second attempt at the UDR article for which you garnered your first ban for breach of the 1RR, an article The Thunderer breached the 1RR on many times always like you have done on it with excuses about the breach was beacuse this that and t'other. I would suggest DUCK if anyone was listening.Murry1975 (talk) 17:51, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by The Devil's Advocate

From what I can see, Setanta is saying the second revert was a mistake as the editor was still making changes and there was an edit conflict causing Setanta to undo a revert. Given the timeline and that the edit summary for the second diff refers only to a change made to the first sentence of the paragraph, this would appear to be exactly what happened. If an edit conflict message popped up Setanta should have taken greater care to insure any further editing would not have been a revert of someone else's changes.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:39, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@Moainm I understand that, but can also understand why someone might be hesitant to self-revert. Whether it was a mistake or not is more important, in my opinion, given that another editor quickly restored the previous version anyway.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:42, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

@Murry The first diff in the case shows that revert. Setanta's removal of information was done three times, however. The second time was a revert of an IP, which is valid, and I think the third was probably a mistake. The first time it does not appear to have been as part of any ongoing dispute over the material so probably not reasonable to classify as a revert.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 22:18, 8 January 2012 (UTC)
@Setanta Huh, <redacted> did apparently put the "retired" tag on his page the very same day Moanim registered so that might actually be a legitimate point for further inquiry.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:43, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, never mind. Mo seems to admit to being an alternate account so that should be legitimate.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 17:48, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Domer48

Two very clear examples of reverts, and very clear notices. --Domer48_'fenian' 10:59, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by One Night In Hackney

SonofSetanta asks how much longer this charade will be allowed to continue. I am forced to agree, although I refer to the charade he keeps perpetrating that he is not The Thunderer, especially when he is facing possible sanctions for his disruption.

I won't bore you with all the diffs of him claiming to be new or not a sock, and just stick with the most relevant ones.

• His response to the question of "For the sake of transparency, could you confirm whether you have previously edited Misplaced Pages using any other accounts?" was "No. I am new".

• During the previous arbitration enforcement request against him he said "I've read up on Sockpuppets and I don't understand why this is being levelled at me either. Is there a way to prove I only have one membership of Misplaced Pages?" "only have one membership" is an obvious claim of SonofSetanta being his only account, thus trying to hide his long block log caused by his massive amounts of prior disruption.

Then above we've got "I am not a reincarnation of anyone and there was a full investigation over a year ago which I gather cleared me completely without any reservations whatsoever" which flies in the face of the actual SPI case and discussion related to it.

Seriously, how much longer is this going to go on for? Per WP:SOCK "Clean-start accounts should not return to old topic areas, editing patterns, or behavior previously identified as problematic, and should be careful not to do anything that looks like an attempt to evade scrutiny". Return to old topic area? Check. Return to old editing patterns? Check. Return to behavior previously identified as problematic? Check. Is it really the case that anyone with a long block log can just start again with a new name, edit the same articles in the same way and cause the same problems, yet hide behind a claim of not being the same person when it's obvious they are? Makes incremental blocks pointless if you can. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 11:17, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Various comments redacted per Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive623#User Mo ainm's alternate account status. 2 lines of K₃₀₃ 10:23, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning SonofSetanta

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• Here are the userlinks that might potentially need to be considered:

• The Thunderer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
• SonofSetanta (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

SonofSetanta clearly broke the Troubles 1RR restriction at Ulster Defence Regiment on January 8. I don't perceive that his work on that article is disruptive, so I'd suggest a routine 1RR block. People are disputing whether he is a reincarnation of User:The Thunderer. After reviewing Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/The Thunderer/Archive I tend to think that he is, but it won't have much effect on the needed block. The Thunderer had a lot of blocks but they were generally short, and the last one was in 2008. It seems to be that a one-week block of SonofSetanta for the 1RR violation would be sufficient. This AE complaint is full of charges and countercharges about socking. I really hope that the parties will quiet down about that, since admins might be inclined to take action to stop it. It seems to me that the opinion about the respective sock issues expressed by Elen at User talk:Elen of the Roads#Redacting statements are a good answer. If any more discussion of sock issues occurs by the involved editors here in this AE, I suggest that admins ought to consider blocks. EdJohnston (talk) 03:18, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

PCPP

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Request concerning PCPP

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

TransporterMan (TALK) 22:26, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

PCPP (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Enforcement
• Misplaced Pages:Requests_for_arbitration/Falun_Gong#Log_of_blocks_and_bans

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. 8 Jan 2012 Recommenced editing article laced with references to Falun Gong (Clarification: the article is laced with them, not his edits)
2. 8 Jan 2012 Ditto talk page
3. 8 Jan 2012 Launched Dispute resolution noticeboard discussion seeking to submit the disputes about that page to dispute resolution

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

Took these actions immediately upon returning from 24-hour block from AE here for editing the referenced article.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

I am not involved in the editing of the article, but am a mediator/clerk at DRN. Last block was for making edits specifically referencing Falun Gong, but topic ban is from editing any article or discussion related to Falun Gong, as this article and the DRN discussion about this article obviously are. I closed his DRN request for being in violation of his topic ban, but will reopen it if it is decided that no violation is involved with his pursuit of that article and DR about that article.

Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested

Notified

Discussion concerning PCPP

Statement by PCPP

Comments by others about the request concerning PCPP

Comment by Shrigley

Falun Gong features in the Confucius Institutes article primarily as a member of lists of proscribed political movements in China, of which there are many. As a result, there is some competition among fringe movements in China about which among them deserve mention on our articles. If the promotion comes not by aggressive SPAs, then they come from drive-by anonymous editors, like so.

My point is, Falun Gong is grafted onto the page in the same way that the 9/11 Truth movement might be grafted onto any United States government article. There is no organic connection between the Confucius Institutes and Falun Gong. As the filer himself notes, PCPP did not touch any content which mentioned Falun Gong in the article.

The talk page issue is a bit more delicate. A group of users rolled back all of PCPP's past edits on the article, including one which mentioned Falun Gong that got him topic banned, based on bad-faith presumptions. I imagine PCPP felt he had to explain himself amidst accusations that his absence on the talk page was "disruptive" and "uncommunicative". He should be commended for making no direct mention towards Falun Gong in his reply.

The DRN was on track to resolving PCPP's interpersonal issues; content was not discussed, let alone the small minority of untouched Falun Gong-related content. Shrigley (talk) 00:41, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Ohconfucius

AFAICT, this complaint is obsolete as PCPP was blocked for so doing already. The objection to him opening a case at WP:DR also seems prima facie unreasonable because it is every editor's right (especially when he is met with such hostility when making good faith edits), for he seems sincere in his efforts to find an amicable solution to impasse he faces there. I daresay that if PCPP had not made the mistake of mentioning Falun Gong in that DR request – which Transporter Man closed as being in violation of WP:FLG-A – PCPP would have avoided this AE request, but may well have been accused all the same of wikilawyering notwithstanding because on of the edits in question involved removing mention of Falun Gong. In any event, I have advised him not to touch any mention of FLG or Epoch Times, even though we know ET isn't accepted as a reliable source except in matters pertaining directly to the movement.

PCPP's editing style and his efforts at finding such a solution are a marked departure from past confrontational behaviour. In addition, it would be wholly inappropriate to sanction him again bearing in mind he has not edited said articles again since his block. Per Shrigley, the offences mentioned above are technical in nature. Because editors seem to feel the need to leave traces of Falun Gong persecution everywhere, many are mere coatracks, that it is well nigh impossible for any editor on Chinese politics not to come up against these. --Ohconfucius 01:32, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Homunculus

A point of clarification: the editor filing the AE noted that PCPP's edits at Concerns and controversies over Confucius Institutes did not directly relate to Falun Gong. Unfortunately this was not the case. PCPP deleted a whole paragraph of notable, sourced content related to Falun Gong, and severely redacted another. Both were germane to the topic. As has been pointed out, PCPP was already subject to a 24-hour ban for these deletions. I do not know whether or not he violated his ban again by pursuing the issue further on the dispute resolution noticeboard—that's a question for the admins. Homunculus (duihua) 03:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Comment by Mr. Stradivarius

Hi all, I was aware of this dispute from the dispute resolution noticeboard and had a brief look at the article and the talk page, but I didn't actually comment at the noticeboard. Regarding TransporterMan's diffs: I'm not sure about the first one, but the second one does seem to be, in part, carrying on the conversation about PCPP's edits to the section mentioning Falun Gong. In particular, points 11 and 12 from that edit seem to be referring to diffs 11 and 12 from this post by Homunculus, of which number 11 seems to be one of the diffs for which PCPP received his recent 24h block. I also wanted to say that, while PCPP's topic ban is potentially problematic if he chooses to further edit Concerns and controversies over Confucius Institutes, when I looked at the article I saw systemic problems relating to WP:CRITICISM, which I believe PCPP was trying to correct. Because of this, I think this dispute could respond well to dispute resolution, although, as always, this would depend on all parties maintaining good conduct and a commitment to collaboration. — Mr. Stradivarius 15:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning PCPP

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• Confucius Institute is neither directly connected to Falun Gong nor inextricably intertwined with that topic. Unless the particular edits are related to FLG - and I'm not seeing it, there is no violation here. T. Canens (talk) 02:00, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Stradivarius makes a good point regarding the second diff. I'd like to hear a response from PCPP about that diff before taking action, though. As to Homunculus' comment, those diffs have been dealt with already in the previous thread. T. Canens (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Ferahgo the Assassin

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Request concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

User who is submitting this request for enforcement

Mathsci (talk) 11:16, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

User against whom enforcement is requested

Ferahgo the Assassin (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Sanction or remedy to be enforced

• WP:ARBR&I, extended topic ban

Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it

1. commenting on a user talk page on edits related to R&I

Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)

1. extended topic ban imposed at AE that explicitly prohibits discussing matters connected with the editing of R&I related topics on user talk pages.

Additional comments by editor filing complaint

Ferahgo the Assassin has violated her extended topic ban. She arrived on a user talk page to argue on behalf of TrevelyanL85A2, whose editing on topics related to Race and intelligence was under discussion.

• notification of this request
• Collect should explain why this edit does not violate the extended topic ban. Mathsci (talk) 14:30, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Discussion concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

Statement by Ferahgo the Assassin

Collect's suggestion is a good one, as it's the same thing Arbcom has suggested to Mathsci several times over the past year.

• The offending comment was not on behalf of the editor participating in R&I, it was to defend myself from Mathsci's unprovoked accusations about me. Prior to these comments about me, I had not interacted with Mathsci or anything remotely related to R&I in many months.
• What I said in the diff linked by Mathsci was asking him if we could agree to both leave each other alone, not anything related to R&I. So much for that hope.
• Mathsci is making this report while there is an open arbitration amendment thread about his possible harassment here. Mathsci should leave this to be dealt with by the arbitrators. At first blush, this looks like an attempt to get me blocked so I can't defend myself in the amendment thread. -Ferahgo the Assassin (talk) 15:10, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Comments by others about the request concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

WP:DEADHORSE appears to apply. I suggest Mathsci simply ignore the mere existence of those whom he discusses here, and avoid any Sherlocking thereon. If any actions need to be taken in future, simply trust that other disinterested parties will act. Cheers. Collect (talk) 13:34, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Note further where Mathsci for some odd reason thinks that accusing me of "trolling" is somehow a valid response.

Collect, could you please stop trolling both here and elsewhere. It is a waste of everybody else's time. Thanks,

Is not what I consider to be a great move on Mathsci's part at all. Collect (talk) 14:56, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

Result concerning Ferahgo the Assassin

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