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Γειά, βλέπω ότι και εσύ είσαι Έλληνας στην Αγγλία - ελάτε να γίνουμε πολλοί :-) --Latinus 19:33, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Den iparhi kanonismos pu lei tetyo pragma. Aplos epidi to arthro ya to kratos tus ine eki, ya na mi fenete i Misplaced Pages shitsofrenis, ehi epikratisi na to leme Dimokratia Makedonias. --Latinus 20:08, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Γειά σου Avg,

It's a waste of time trying to communicate to these people.

This user 87.202.109.36 is actually posting from Athens

As far as admission to EU is concerned, no country can join EU under a name that could cause any sovereignty problems to another country-state. This was the case of Great Britain. In 1973 joined the EU under the name of UK so as not to infringe with Brittany, the French teritory. Do you know any details about this? Odysses (☜) 17:43, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Probably a FYROMian activist living in Athens :-)

In 1973 was the third attempt. Previous two attempts were rejected. (Britain's membership was vetoed by French president Charles De Gaulle in January 1963). This article doesn't mention anything about the name, which I've heard of from an older BBC program.Odysses (☜) 19:31, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Umm, no. That's completely wrong. The constitutional name of the UK is "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland", which is the name by which the country is recognised internationally. Great Britain is just the biggest of the country's various islands. There was never any issue with France about the name "Brittany", which isn't even an administrative entity. -- ChrisO 20:10, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, you might want to check this as well.--Avg 01:28, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

WP:3RR

Please refrain from undoing other people's edits repeatedly. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages under the three-revert rule, which states that nobody may revert an article to a previous version more than three times in 24 hours. (Note: this also means editing the page to reinsert an old edit. If the effect of your actions is to revert back, it qualifies as a revert.) Thank you. Jkelly 23:27, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

As' to - den ehi simasia. Min to xanaepanaferis, den ehi noima... tha su valun frayi an to xanaepanaferis. --Latinus 23:32, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

There is no compromise made gia ta Skopia, sunexise na to epanafereis. Prosexe mono min paraviaseis ton kanona. --Hectorian 01:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

otan les selida tis Elladas, ennoeis tin poli tou vorra?kai,btw, eisai gavros?:P --Hectorian 02:11, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Oxi,na min upotheseis!ki egw panathinaikos eimai:)den eimai thessa/kios...Sunexise toso kala opws ta pas twra kai an xreiasteis voitheia pouthena pes mou. thanks kai sto demographics of greece. prospathisan na xanavaloun tin pigi, alla tin evgala pali giati einai entelws asxeti! --Hectorian 02:26, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

concerning what article? --Dipazi 01:55, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

can you be more specific please --Dipazi 01:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

ΠΑΟ είσαι ρε φίλε η μήπως υπάρχει κάποιο spelling mistake και εννοούσες ΠΑΟΚ ; -? - Politis 14:44, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Κάποτε ήμουνα ΠΑΟΚάρα με άρματα και βυζαντινή στολή, τώρα δεν παρακολουθώ καθόλου εκτός εάν κάποια ελληνική ομάδα πάει Ευρώπη. Όσον αφορά τους μακεντονσκιοπιανούς , γιατί αποφεύγουν την γλώσσα του Αλέξανδρου; Αλλά που θα πάει, κάποτε θα τους την δώσει και θα ξέρουν τα ελληνικά καλύτερα από εμάς. Εγώ τους πάω και έχουν γούστο, αν και μερικοί είναι τόσο μπερδεμένοι όσον αφορά την ταυτότητά τους που το ρίχνουν σε βιαιότητες λες και βρουν κάποια άκρη. Politis 15:03, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Hi, could you check your e-mail. Edwy 13:04, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Ah - OK ;-) Edwy 13:48, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Efyga pote apo to club kai den to xerw?:) --Hectorian 22:30, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

Xereis twra...sti xwra tou eisai mallon...aftoi einai ligotero ethnikistes: den miloun gia ta provlimata me tous geitones tous, apla pairnoun ta opla kai polemoun 3,000 (kai vale) km makria :p --Hectorian 23:00, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

hello there

I've just noticed that your are fr:4 - any chance you could help with Scanderbeg? I have found this french bio however I cannot understand french at all. Thanks! talk to +MATIA 11:45, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps you could take a look at the talk pages and/or try to get rid of "citation needed" tags, or whatever else you might find appropriate to improve that article. talk to +MATIA 12:58, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

He he, den mporoun na skou3oun gia ton idio logo mallon!  NikoSilver  13:59, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Concerning your persistant usage of the term fyromians

Hello, I'm ]. I noticed that you made a comment that didn't seem very civil, so it may have been removed. Misplaced Pages is built on collaboration, so it's one of our core principles to interact with one another in a polite and respectful manner. If you have any questions, you can leave me a message on ]. Thank you.

This ethnic group doesn't exist. You use the term to insult ethnic Macedonian users. It was pointed out many times that this term is insulting, yet you keep doing it. I think you left me with no option than to officially warn you not to do it. --Realek 16:04, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

There is a Greek proverb that goes: "Φωνάζει ο κλέφτης για να φοβηθεί ο νοικοκύρης" ("The thief screams to scare the landlord"). It fits perfectly here.--Avg 16:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Now I'm accused of being a thief??? Please clarify. --Realek 16:38, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Not you as a person. It is not a personal attack if you're trying to spin it this way. After all it is a proverb, it's meant to be taken metaphorically. It is very relevant though with your country's position: A thief is whoever appropriates something that belongs to someone else and this is what you've done with our history. I could remove completely the term thief if you find it offensive, and just say that the meaning of the proverb is: "Someone who's wrong accuses the one who's right about being wrong" --Avg 17:00, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

You cannot just return the blow when you are warned of a personal attack. I stated the reason why you were warned. You stated that you warned me for warning you. It doesn't work that way. So let me make another effort to calm things down and clear them up. There is no such thing as fyromians. The ethnic group you are talking about is called Macedonians (almost without exceptions) and never Fyromians. It was already pointed out to you that this term is extremely insulting to Macedonians. Still you persist in using this incorrect and rude term. I also noted that you use a small letter when you write it (fyromians), wich further proves you are doing it with an intent to insult. So again, I'm asking you to stop using this term. Would you be willing to do that. Furthermore I would appeal to you to remove the NPA template you placed on my discussion page without having any reason to do it. It was done only seconds after I warned you of a personal attack and I accept that you could have done it without thinking it through properly. --Realek 16:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, Realek, you are confirming by your conduct that a personal attack is purely subjective. A personal attack is made to another user, so for what Avg said will have to have been directed to YOU or another Wikipedian personally. I think Avg was talking about history. The usage of the term may have been uncivil contrary to WP:CIV, but is not a personal attack as described in WP:NPA, therefore your warning is misplaced as well. --LionKing 16:43, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Realek, the 'thief' quip is a famous Greek proverb. I know it as, 'the thief shouts to make the home owner run away'. I am sure Avg had no intention of offending you. It is our dialogue and our questions to each other that bring us closer and helps us dispel misunderstandings. After all, we share many proverbs and sayings because we have so much in common. - Politis 16:56, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Of course I didn't want to offend Realek and I explained what the proverb means, imagine though how surprised I was to find a npa template in my talk page, when I haven't directly offended anyone!--Avg 17:11, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

The term "fyromians" is offensive to me and other Macedonians. If you don't belive me ask them. Avg tries to hide behind his wrong conclusion that this is an "official name" for my ethnic group. That can't be further from the truth. Also I was dismisseed by LionKing, because he claims calling an ethnic group a certain name is not personal but is against a whole ethnic group (he did admit that it was uncivi however). Actually it is personal - the usage of the term represents a personal attack to many users at once. Finally the "tief and landlord" proverb might not be directed to me personally, but is in the same way as above directed towards my whole ethnic group. It implies that Greeks are the landlords and that Macedonians are the thieves. In the atmosphere and context it was said I can't conclude anything else that its purpose was malicious. I'm aware that posting another NPA template in response to the new insults here and on other pages will just get me a retaliatory template on my page. I'm trying to resolve this and remain cool. Avg, I don't accept your "bargain" that I should remove the template from your page and then you will remove it from the mine. However I would gladly remove it if you stop using the term "fyromians" and introducing new insulting ones like "nonamians" and "vardarians". What do you say? --Realek 17:26, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Avg, you made edits since I posted so I know you are still here. I'm still awaiting an answer and hope for a civilized solution. Please don't ignore my goodwill. --Realek 17:55, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Νονέμιανς, που τα βρίσκει αυτά ο κόσμος; με συγχωρείς, αλλά δεν μπορώ να σταματήσω να γελάω. Politis 18:17, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Comment on content, not on other contributors or people.

The term Fyromians doesn't exist and it is considered highly insulting for my nation. Please stop doing that or you will be reported. Bitola 16:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)