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List of Delaware hurricanes

Thanks for combining those tables like that! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

no problem. Frietjes (talk) 21:21, 2 December 2011 (UTC)
Weird, I don't think either were right. I asked someone to help fix it. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 21:29, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Railway Stations

Please use edit summaries to describe what you're doing. You're removing a lot of stuff, and not explaining what you're doing, or why you're doing it.

What are you doing? And why are you doing it?

Cheers, Pdfpdf (talk) 10:17, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Please restore the CityRail templates to how they were. Consensus was achieved over a long time to establish these and you had no right to change them without even asking. You have completely wrecked the templates so they have now lost all their colour. Please kindly restore them and fix up the mess that you have made. Bookscale (talk) 00:27, 31 December 2011 (UTC)
so it's just the presentation that you don't like. which part? the part above highlighting the lines, or the part below with the alternating colouring for the various attributes. there was really no need to edit every single article to change the presentation back to how it was before, that can be done with an edit to the base template. in addition, specifying the foreground and background colouring every single time is excessive, since the base template can just figure it out (see template:CityRail platform box). I will fix it. it's called WP:BOLD, and now we are in stage three of WP:BRD. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:01, 2 January 2012 (UTC)

Template for deletion: Yorkshire rivers.

For your information, i have added a comment supporting this action on the TFD page. I redid this template with wikilinks and should have offered this one up for deletion. Sorry.Rimmer1993 (talk) 11:17, 3 December 2011 (UTC)

Saturn Awards templates

About the modifications you have made, why Saturn Awards templates can't have colours as Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards or even MTV Movie Awards can? --Hyliad (d), 19:32, 6 december 2011 (TTC)

native names of settlements

Hi,

I noticed you wikified some articles about settlements - good work! You might like to note this edit and apply similar changes when you wikify similar articles in future. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:26, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

yes, there is so much to do. we should ask for a bot to help. Frietjes (talk) 18:27, 16 December 2011 (UTC)
Indeed. Also, apologies for my insensitive language mix-up. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:36, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I am I missing something

Just wondering why you made this edit? Pol430 talk to me 18:22, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

when you made this edit, you made it so you were transcluding User_talk:Pol430/Talkheader at the top of User_talk:Pol430. since this page was a redirect to User_talk:Pol430, this meant that you had created a loop, where your talk page was including itself. I fixed the loop by changing this to a redirect to the header. alternatively, I could have undone your other edit, but I figured you did that for a reason. the only reason I noticed it is because your talk page then showed up in Category:Template loop warnings. let me know if that isn't clear for some reason. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 21:02, 4 January 2012 (UTC)
Ah right, I understand. Yes, I did that to make it less obvious to vandals where the transcluded pages were located. Thanks for explaining :) Pol430 talk to me 21:11, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Katharine Hepburn template

Hello. I'm the person who created the Katharine Hepburn template, and I see that you have split it in two. I'm just inquiring exactly why this is, I'm a bit confused...one person on the delete discussion suggested splitting it, but the final result was just "keep". I don't see any signs that the admin said it needed to be split. I don't really see how it is better this way, why not have all the articles related to her on one template? Thanks. --Lobo512 (talk) 22:36, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

there were two objections to the inclusion of a filmography if you include the nominator. in addition, we have MOS:FILM#Navigation, which discourages it. Frietjes (talk) 22:39, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
Then why has the filmography one even been kept? If there's going to be a template that includes her filmography, as there currently is, it may as well include all the other articles too (which aren't that many)...I really don't see the logic in separating them. And to be honest, I could argue back "Well two people said it could stay as it was: me and someone else." So there wasn't a consensus on this. We just have to go with the admin's decision (which was simply "keep").
Basically I would rather it was all together under one template or not have one at all, it seems silly to have two. --Lobo512 (talk) 22:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
See Template:Laurel and Hardy and Template:Laurel and Hardy filmography for examples where they were split, and see Template:Joan Crawford for an example of one where there is just the filmography. I'm not certain the filmography one should be kept, so perhaps we should start a second discussion. Frietjes (talk) 22:54, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I think you should've just left it alone, the admin's decision was keep, I believe on the grounds of WP:Ignore all rules. So why hasn't it been kept? Aren't they meant to have the final say in the matter? And it looks like that Laurel & Hardy one has never been through a delete discussion, so I don't think that's a very useful example. --Lobo512 (talk) 22:59, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
it sounds like we need a new deletion discussion for the filmography template. Frietjes (talk) 23:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
But there wasn't even a filmography template before you just created one. There was a template that included her filmography, and that already had a discussion where the closing admin decided it could be kept. It says here: "The closing admin will also perform any necessary actions to carry out the decision." If they wanted the template to be separated, they would have at the very least indicated this. I don't see why you have taken it upon yourself to make a big change that wasn't agreed to. You may not like the decision, but that doesn't mean you can just change its outcome... --Lobo512 (talk) 23:10, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
I will ask the admin for clarification and do whatever he suggests. Frietjes (talk) 23:17, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for un-doing the split. --Lobo512 (talk) 18:25, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Overall policy

I think that edits like this are very much in keeping with common editorial style. However, it is contrary to the way almost all awards templates have been formatted. Is there consensus somewhere to change this stylistic element?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:47, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

See WP:HLIST, hard-coded bullets have WP:accessibility issues, so such lists are being converted to use the hlist class. The use of small tags is also deprecated in favour of the CSS "font-size:smaller". Frietjes (talk) 00:48, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I was not talking about the HLIST part of the edit. I was talking about the piping of the complete list.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:08, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
The article is a much better link target for the complete list for at least two reasons, (1) it contains more information, (2) we try to use links to article space when possible. Frietjes (talk) 16:40, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
Going back to my original statement above, that is what I agreed with. I am just not sure there is consensus to change.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:31, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I have made such a change at least a dozen times and never had it reverted or had any complaints, so either no one cares, or no one has noticed, or people like it better this way. Frietjes (talk) 17:33, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Continental Charters Flight 44-2 Article

Thanks for your note, I have published the article. Dhpage (talk) 20:53, 11 January 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_January_10#Template:OlivierAward_...

A user has contested the deletion of these templates on my talk page. As the user who nominated these files for deletion, your input would be appreciated. Regards, FASTILY 02:52, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Can you do a mock up of the larger one transcluding the smaller ones?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:25, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
sure, give me a minute. I will create three different ways of doing it. Frietjes (talk) 16:29, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
for the first method, see Template:OlivierAward Musical. Frietjes (talk) 16:41, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I think the first method is actually a good idea. It is something we should do all over wikipedia so that information is synchronized across templates. If you had proposed this with the deletion, I would have supported it.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:37, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Can we agree to restore all the recently deleted templates and convert them in this manner?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:39, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
P.S. I don't understand why you think the second one is better. It seems to me it requires a list page and then calling that list both from the subspan and the full template. The first method seems to only be calling subspans from the full template.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:42, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
The only reason I think the second method is better is because it doesn't use any parserfunctions. however, you are correct, that the first method doesn't require any additional templates, and makes it a bit more clear where the content lives. It would be even better if we could have an option added to {{navbox}}, like the 'border=child' option, which would automatically turn off the title/below stuff when say 'group and list only = yes' or something like that. since that will most likely not happen anytime soon, I really don't care which method we use. And, yes, I will agree to having them recreated if we use one of these three methods. like I said, my primary objection was to the redundancy. it seems like the other editor, Plastikspork, would agree to this too, since he/she suggested that as well. Frietjes (talk) 18:00, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
Let me confirm the ease of use of the first alternative. If I want to convert other templates to this format, do I need to do anything to prepare the subspan templates for this list=true transclusion?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 18:15, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
yes, you need to do this. I used 'list only' for the parameter, but you could use 'list' instead if you like that better. let me know if you want me to help, or check it over after you are done. Frietjes (talk) 18:17, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I will need help. I have my hand in Cannes Film Festival, Olivier Awards, Drama Desk Awards, Tony Awards, Academy Awards, Golden Globe Awards, Emmy Awards, Screen Actors Guild Awards, BAFTAs, Pulitzer Prize and Nobel Prize, off the top of my head. All of them could use this reformatting. Since SAG (January 29, 2012), Grammys (February 12, 2012), BAFTA (12 February 2012) and Academy Awards (February 26, 2012) are on the short horizon, it might be good if we overhauled these before the next batch of awards to see how people respond when editiing the revised templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:18, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Category:Screen Actors Guild Award templates done.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:19, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

okay, I believe I finished Category:Olivier Awards templates. Frietjes (talk) 00:56, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Great. Starting the long list. I have also done the relevant templates at Category:Billboard chart templates and Category:United Kingdom music templates. I will do Category:BAFTA Awards templates today.
okay, let me know if there are any groups of templates that you want me to convert. otherwise, I will just convert them as I see them. Frietjes (talk) 16:55, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

"hlist" class in navboxes

That's a neat trick. :) I assume this is the done way for bulleted lists everywhere now? Might be worth a more targeted approach to update anything in templatespace calling {{,}} going forward. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 14:00, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

yes, if you check the edit history of WOSlinker, Alarbus, Snappy, ... you will see a large scale effort to convert navboxes to use WP:HLIST. there are many ways you can use it, either with '*' bullet markup, or with ';/:' semi-colon/colon markup (e.g., see template:michigan sports). the code for the following navbox shows several examples
Bullet list example
  • item1
  • item2
Bullet list example
with sublists
  • item1
    • item1a
    • item1b
  • item2
    • item2a
    • item2b
Definition list example
type1
item1.1
item1.2
type2
item2.1
item2.2
Definition list example
with a line break
type1
item1.1
item1.2
type2
item2.1
item2.2
you can also set 'class = plainlist' to get the effect of an {{unbulleted list}}, which works great for sidebars. the transclusion count of {{nowrap begin}} has dropped by a factor of two over the past couple months due to the conversions. the hlist and plainlist classes both include white-space:nowrap, so there is very little need for {{nowrap begin}}, {{*}}, {{,}}, ... one of the best outcomes is the improved page rendering time, since we are cutting massive numbers of template transclusions. this also helps with the template transclusion limit on many pages with many navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 17:05, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Fantastic. I'll try to do my part in moving this forward. Cheers! Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 23:18, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

No community consensus

Hi there. You've moved the templates which were created for the African Movie Academy Awards. Could you please halt your edits and place a request for community consensus in the talk page of the said template? Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 17:39, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

okay, I will open a TFD. Frietjes (talk) 17:40, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
When it comes to reverting moves, I dont really know how it works properly, so I must have done a mistake there. Sorry about that. Anyway, sending the tempalte to tfd is the right thing to do if any editor wants a template deleted. Thank you. Amsaim (talk) 18:01, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
right, but I don't want it deleted, I just want to merge all these forks. Frietjes (talk) 18:03, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

To fix

on navbox construction

Hi. I think your input would be useful. Thanks. Alarbus (talk) 13:09, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Infobox timeline

Yes it can be deleted. I was in a bit of shock that such a vertical sidebar history timeline did not exist (As far as I looked...). Thanks for the help and also I was snooping elsewhere on your page and found the cool ":" trick for templates and applied it to Template:Atlanta neighborhoods. So much simpler than these weird "w" templates that people have been doing. It puts a smile on my face to get such constructive help, after I spend sometimes a lot of time fighting negativity.Keizers (talk) 21:03, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

great. yes, the {{*}}, {{!wrap}}, ... templates are on the way out now that we have WP:HLIST. I went ahead and did the rest of that template (the below part). Frietjes (talk) 21:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I added {{db-author}} to the timeline template but that doesn't seem to work, maybe you can fix itKeizers (talk) 21:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Collapsible Infobox?

Any way to make the Template:Atlanta timeline collapsible? I would like it uncollapsed on History of Atlanta but it might be useful collapsed on other pages about events in Atlanta's history. Keizers (talk) 19:42, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I made a few demonstration edits to show different methods. I think the last method is probably what you are looking for, but I wasn't sure. Frietjes (talk) 20:46, 1 February 2012 (UTC)"
thank you so much! you're awesome!Keizers (talk) 21:39, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Color

Is there a reason that you reversed my last 3 edits?..Modernist (talk) 20:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, there is no reason for deviating from the default. Frietjes (talk) 20:11, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Actually that isn't true. The default is just that - it's the fallback workable solution. It's a guideline; not a policy. It is suggested, but it is not required. What is required is sufficient readibility and contrast so that everyone can read the text - even those color blind and otherwise impaired. However the color is optional...Modernist (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
I never said anything about policy. I said there was no reason for deviating from the default. I would rather not have the bottom of the article look like a bag of skittles. Frietjes (talk) 20:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
So if 3 other editors prefer the other color then what are we talking about here?...Modernist (talk) 20:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
And if 4 other editors think we should use the default? ... Start a thread on the talk page. Frietjes (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
There was a huge one on Hemingway. Here is a snippet ...Modernist (talk) 20:32, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
forgive me for not parsing the entire thread, but I see a long discussion about citation styles and nothing there about colour. Frietjes (talk) 20:36, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
There was a huge discussion on Talk:Ernest Hemingway - , it was precipated about template color, citation style etc. that continues...Modernist (talk) 20:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Take a look at the edits at the Hemingway template circa November 19th...Modernist (talk) 20:39, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

DPRK Station infobox

Just noticed you redirected it to the plan 'Station' template. While the code in the template page was not good, I've placed a request in the Korea workgroup for a correctly-made one. The regular "station" template is not satisfactory, as for DPRK there needs to be a line for the station name in Korean script, in Chinese characters/Hanja, and in the two Romanisation systems in use. So, redirection isn't really any more useful than leaving it as it is until it can get fixed.... 2Q (talk) 18:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

leaving it as it is would be more of a problem, since it puts the template in category:Template loop warnings. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 18:11, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Guidelines

Guidelines? WP:DRNC (opening sentence will do), WP:BOLD for starters and in WP:BRD you are the D, especially since I did the ES. And, if you read the guideline you linked to, you can see that the deviation-requirements you point to, are met. Please undo your own revert. -DePiep (talk) 18:03, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks :)

I'm sitting next to Gayle Young, and we were just looking at her userpage. Thanks for this. Much appreciated! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

WP:AN#WP:TFD deletions by admin User:Fastily

You've received an honorable mention there. Perhaps you might be interested? -FASTILY 07:10, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Your edits to Ohio House of Representatives

Why were your edits reverted on this page? It is now incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.57.11.25 (talk) 04:39, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:PASpeakers

Please explain to me what your recent update to the Template:PASpeakers does. I have no objection at all, I just want to understand, especially since I have added Pa Speakers articles, and I have updated the template to change names. --DThomsen8 (talk) 02:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Template:Maryland HLR

Thank you for removing the extraneous userspace syntax that I carelessly left behind when I moved {{Maryland HLR}} to mainspace a few weeks ago!  VC  14:48, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Tom Niehaus, Tim Schaffer, Joe Schiavoni

All three of these articles have been reverted by Marcus Qwertyus. It is incredibly frustrating to me that each of these articles continue to be reverted and protected. There is no vandalism, no plagiarism, and no copyright infringement. Please revert each of these articles back to pre-Marcus Qwertyus levels.

Tom Niehaus should read about his time in the House, his initial run for state Senate, and otherwise.

Tim Schaffer has dated information that should be removed.

Joe Schiavoni has essentially been blanked by this kid.

He has no knowledge on this topic, and his edits are not constructive. He is only on a personal vendetta against me, and has received support only for HJ Mitchell, who also has no knowledge on Ohio politicians.

I beg of you, please help me combat their debauchery and revert their edits. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 118.96.251.230 (talk) 20:09, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2012_February_11#Template:Horrorfilmlist2

In the nomination statement you wrote, that the template is redundant to itself. Did you mean {{Horrorfilmlist}} instead of {{Horrorfilmlist2}}? Armbrust, B.Ed. about my edits? 20:52, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

yes, but I am not sure what this has to do with it? Frietjes (talk) 20:54, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

{{collapsible option}}

I am not sure I understand. Isn't the feature common to {{navbox}}?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

it will only work if you pass the state parameter to the navbox template. Frietjes (talk) 15:56, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I don't understand what you mean by pass?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:57, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
the navbox template gets the parameters from the template calling it, if you don't send it the information, it won't get it. you have to do this, so that when someone transcludes the best actor template, and sets 'state=uncollapsed', that information will be passed to the 'navbox template', which will then know to leave the template uncollapsed. Frietjes (talk) 15:59, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
I have added this template to about 500-1000 pages. can the collapsible option documentation be augmented to alleviate this issue rather than me checking the adaptability of 1000 pages?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:02, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
you shouldn't add it to a template unless that feature is in the template, which is why this documentation is not added to every single navbox template. Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
All the templates that I have added it to, need the feature. If the documentation is augmented, then it would enable individual editors to improve wikipedia.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
if they all need it, then I suppose you should add it, rather than relying on someone else to add it. Frietjes (talk) 16:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
What about adding a line such as make sure that the template has the line "| state = {{{state<includeonly>|autocollapse</includeonly>}}}" then you can use the following options to manage collapsibility:--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:12, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Since you understand the complexity of the issue, could you make the request? I suppose the bot could also add {{collapsible option}} to all instances of {{navbox}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:17, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

When you say "I'll do what I can today." do you mean you are going to fix some by hand?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

yes, I fixed about fifty or so already. Frietjes (talk) 16:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
Would there be a problem having the bot add {{collapsible option}} to all instances of {{navbox}}? Otherwise, I may have a few thousand more to do by hand.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:39, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
having a bot add it and the state = stuff would be a major effort. I am guessing there are probably around 300,000 such templates, given that there are around 1.6 million transclusions of navbox. Frietjes (talk) 16:42, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
however, if you have a more targeted list, you could always make a bot request. Frietjes (talk) 16:44, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Why would it help to reload your page?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:12, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

to be safe, you will want to reload both User:Frietjes/TT.js and User:TonyTheTiger/vector.js using the 'forced reload' (e.g., Ctrl-Shift-R). the reason is that for efficiency, the browser only loads these scripts page once, and doesn't check if they have changed. some browsers reload them when you restart the browser, but most will still just load them from a local version saved in the cache on your computer. the same is true for css files, which control the appearance of the webpages. if they were to reload these scripts and css files for every single page, it would be a tremendous additional load on the servers. Frietjes (talk) 19:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Still not showing.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:30, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
okay, I tried something else, try forced-reloading both User:Frietjes/TT.js and User:TonyTheTiger/vector.js, and then opening up a page to edit. if you don't see the TTscript button above the 'What links here' in the toolbox, then tell me which browser you are using so I can try to reproduce the problem. Frietjes (talk) 19:39, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Still not working in FF.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 19:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
were any of the scripts in User:TonyTheTiger/vector.js working for you? Frietjes (talk) 20:16, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes. One of them use highlights all redirects on a page. That is pretty useful.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 23:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
which one is that one? does it create a button to highlight the redirects? I can see if I can debug the problem by comparing the button section of the code with that one. Frietjes (talk) 00:18, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
It actually seems that your script interferes with the others. I just unhid the others to use the DYK check. I had to hide yours to get them to show. Right now I have the following links in my toolbox (while in article space):
What links here
Related changes
Upload file
Special pages
Permanent link
Cite this page
Rate this page
DYK check
Find disambiguations
Find redirects
Sort words

--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 00:39, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

I just modified some code from the dabfinder script. if you are still interested, you can try it again and let me know if you at least get a link in the toolbox. the link will say 'Collapsible option'. I removed the check to make sure you are in edit mode, so the button will still be there, but do nothing, if you aren't editing something. I can always tweak it a bit later once we get something actually working. Frietjes (talk) 00:57, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Did you say I had to be in the edit mode? No wonder I was not seeing anything. I'll go check again.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
Collapsible option is showing. I'll be testing it soon.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:17, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
The button works.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:09, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
great. let me know if you want me to make any modifications, like only having it show up on template pages, only show up in edit mode, or generally the way it operates. Frietjes (talk) 14:44, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

New list symbol

What do you know about this type of edit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 05:33, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

yes, that one is valid too, see Template:EmmyAward ComedyVarietyMusicWriting 2001–2025. you can use the 'colon/semicolon' version if the part directly after the semicolon line is a 'heading' which is then followed by a list that falls under that heading. the items in the list that follows should all pertain to the heading above it. putting colon on the same line also works in some cases. you probably noticed that the format looks slightly different, since the semicolon will bold the heading. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
I have some examples on my talk page above in #"hlist" class in navboxes. Frietjes (talk) 15:16, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

The da Vinci Barnstar
Thanks for greatly improving my efficiency by creating a script for me and having the patience to help me get the script running correctly. TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:31, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Ottawa Renegades seasons

Template:Ottawa Renegades seasons has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. 117Avenue (talk) 03:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for converting Template:Infobox WNBA coach

Great job! -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

More help needed

Template:Infobox college coach and Template:Infobox WNBA player need to be converted to use {{Infobox}}. Can you please help on that? -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:18, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

converted. Frietjes (talk) 21:32, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks!!! I may give you some more... :) -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:44, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Template:Infobox Three Kingdoms biography, Template:Infobox tennis coach, Template:Infobox Rugby Union biography, Infobox MLB manager, Template:Infobox rugby biography, Template:Infobox rugby league biography, Template:Infobox royalty, Infobox Shankaracharya, Template:Infobox Pro Football retired, Template:Infobox pro football player, Template:Infobox nobility. Do your best. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:51, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
will have a look in a few hours or so ... Frietjes (talk) 21:54, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
some of these will require a serious amount of work due to the formatting, but I will do the ones that are fairly straightforward, and strike them off as I finish them. Frietjes (talk) 18:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

The remaining: Template:Infobox NFL player, Template:Infobox NFL coach, Template:Infobox NCAA athlete, Template:Infobox MLB player, Template:Infobox ice hockey player, Template:Infobox gridiron football person, Template:Infobox Dalai Lama (15 transclusions. Seems easy to do), Template:Infobox cricketer, Template:Infobox cricketer tour biography, Template:Infobox college football player, Template:Infobox basketball biography, Template:Infobox baseball biography, Template:Infobox Arena Football player (69 transclusions), Template:Infobox AFLretired (43 transclusions), Template:Infobox AFL player. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:15, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

We could replace {{Infobox Arena Football player}} and {{Infobox AFLretired}} with {{Infobox AFL player}} to reduce the problem by 2. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:26, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Removal of images from templates

Stop your removal of the Tennessee GA flag from the templates. Your first reasoning was rejected (and you haven't tried defending it), and your second reason that it's only decorative, while true, is not a reason for removal. Whether you like it or not, these templates are commonly decorated with an image highly associated with the subject. Unless you're going to go on a war and remove them from all templates, stop doing it to the ones I add it too. Further removals will be considered vandalism based upon your personal views and not any rules ore guidelines. Fry1989 01:09, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Do see WP:Vandalism before you toss that accusation about. I've not looked at what is going on here, but images in navboxes are mere ornaments, and I have see you, Fry1989, going way over the top making images larger. *Too* large. In navboxes (and infoboxes where I previously noted you doing this), images squeeze text into narrower spaces resulting in the box having to get taller. You've often made images the tallest thing in a navbox, which results in the last row getting too much height. Alarbus (talk) 02:06, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Further; adding wide images to navboxes with three columns is problematic at narrower screen sizes (and god help mobile users). They result in horizontal scrollbars for readers which are decidedly unhelpful. I reverted two that were recent. Alarbus (talk) 02:19, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
I will use the word as I wish. You don't first remove something saying it's too big when you can easily change it's size to fit how you feel is appropriate (which is lazy), and then again saying it's just a decoration, when A: that's the common practice here to add an image directly related to the topic of the template, and B: when there is no rule against it. I consider vandalism as including "the deliberate removal of content for personal tastes or reasonings". Fry1989 02:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
None of that is covered by WP:Vandalism, so you're engaging in personal attacks (as is 'lazy').
You don't get to frame it as 'adjust the size', although maybe 'zero' counts. You like flags and ornaments; we get that. We don't think it appropriate, though. You're creating a poor user experience for those on small displays. Cut it out. Alarbus (talk) 02:46, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
agreed. none (or close to none) of the other state legislature templates are using flags or seals, and there is a good reason for it. the content is formatted in a fixed number of columns, which is already bad for narrow displays. adding decorative flags and seals only makes it worse. if you want to add them, try discussing it on the talk page first, given that there is clear opposition for it. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 23 February 2012 (UTC)
Fry1989 has a month to ponder his edit warring ways. Meanwhile, progress may be made; you see the latest User:WOSlinker/wrapping? I feel remiss, as I've only done a smattering in the last month or so. Also, I saw you did at least another of the Lt.Gov splits; any left? I'll do another if needed. Alarbus (talk) 03:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I put all the state governor templates here in uncollapsed form to check for consistency. it looks like there is only one left that is using a collapsible subsection. there are others that have both the governors and lieutenant governors in the same template, but they aren't using the collapsible subsections. I have been working on the hlist stuff when I have time. I am working on some scripts too, mostly for hlist conversions and error checking after the hlist conversions. I believe I have something that will indent nested navboxes the way you like them indented. Frietjes (talk) 15:36, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I'll take a crack at {{Colonial Governors and Deputy Governors of Rhode Island}} soon. Have you noticed that there are more than a few templates around that use the collapsable form when they only have one section. A few I've looked at were split out of larget templates without being simplified. I saw you talking with WOS and should update my local copy of the script. I indent as I do out of long habit; part of it is that it helps me as I'm reviewing an edit and I think it would help others. I tend to leave a space character after an '=' in a template so that when someone addes a value ite space is just there for them; I omit these spaces when a value should not ever go there, such as "| list1 =" followed by a newline and the a list-item. Best, Alarbus (talk) 05:38, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Infobox MLB manager

Template:Infobox MLB manager has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Magioladitis (talk) 22:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Personality rights

Hi, I'm still learning ... I noticed the template exists on Commons but not WP, I had added it in anticipation of moving the image to Commons. Will be okay if I add it back after image does move to Commons? Thx. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:49, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

if it is a valid and non-deprecated template on commons, then I don't see why you couldn't use it. I was just removing non-existing templates, or at least ones that were purposely deleted here on the English WP. Frietjes (talk) 15:37, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Racing drivers

Nice work on simplifying the NASCAR template. :) One question though - isn't making the subsections "infobox racing driver section" possibly a cause for confusion with {{Infobox racing driver}} itself? - The Bushranger One ping only 16:48, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

could be, but that template needs some work as well. we can always use a different name for the subtemplate, but I am going to implement it in the Champ template first. do you have a suggestion for a different name? Frietjes (talk) 16:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
True - IRD is a very very basic template! Then again sometimes simplicity works... as for an alternate name, aye, there's the rub. ;) Perhaps "infobox racing driver series section" - a bit longer but removes the ambiguity? - The Bushranger One ping only 16:52, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
okay. it is just a "helper template", so a long name shouldn't be a big deal. it will only need to be typed in a few spots. Frietjes (talk) 16:53, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
True. Keep up the good work! Those of us whose heads swim at template syntax salute you. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 16:56, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
sure. by the way, isn't the 'Years_Active' section in Champ Car driver now redundant? we already have Years, First_Race and Last_Race, so I think we can remove the Years_Active? Frietjes (talk) 16:59, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
I was originally not going to include that, but then I saw the case of Cristiano da Matta where there was a gap in his time in the series, so I added it back in so that cases where a driver's time in the series wasn't contiguous could be noted. - The Bushranger One ping only 17:02, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
makes sense. thanks for the answer. Frietjes (talk) 17:04, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
No problem! - The Bushranger One ping only 17:10, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for catching my mistakes on the Pas de ... ballet templates! — Robert Greer (talk) 19:20, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Anti-spam barnstar

The Anti-Spam Barnstar
Thank you for reverting spam at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Pine 08:05, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

just noticed this edit ] Thanks! -- RP459 /Contributions 23:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

DRV notice

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Talkback

Hello, Frietjes. You have new messages at Mabdul's talk page.
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sry, my fault... mabdul 12:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Small problem with using Hlist in templates

Not sure if you already knew but there is a bit of a problem using the hlist template in templates. According to this when a reader tries to view an article with a template using the hlist class it displays negatively. 71.163.243.232 (talk) 03:21, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Color TOC

We now have {{List TOC}}, it would be great if you could comment at Misplaced Pages:Templates for discussion/Log/2012 March 1#Template:ColorTOC. Thanks! Plastikspork ―Œ 14:33, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Please try to use more descriptive edit summaries of what you're actually doing in the edits, edits like these are not "wikify". Wikify means to add wikilinks to other articles in article mainspace. You're certainly not doing that there or any of the other edits I saw which you marked as "wikify". See Misplaced Pages:WikiProject_Wikify. This refers to specific article clean-up tasks, not removing a couple spaces from a template, or back-end formatting as you did here . In fact that kind of editing has lead to problems for users in the past (And still does), cosmetic back-end formatting like that seems to be mostly frowned upon by the community and certainly doesn't fall under "wikify".--Crossmr (talk) 23:49, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

the first example I remove a spurious } see near the end. in the second example, I added the correct sort key to the category. neither of these are simply whitespace edits. however, I will try to mark the edit summaries indicating that I am either wikifying or fixing typos or adding the correct sort key. Frietjes (talk) 01:05, 2 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah yes, sometimes it doesn't highlight the changes clearly. Just keep in mind that when other editors see things like "wikify" they expect to see certain kinds of changes on the page, and none of the ones I looked at looked anything like wikify. #2 and #5 are really the only things I've ever seen people consistently refer to as "wikify" so if you're doing anything beyond those, actually describe it in the edit summary please.--Crossmr (talk) 23:27, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

NBA All-Star Game Infobox

Hello, Frietjes!
Thank you so much for spotting this so quickly and fixing it - i had just realised i was missing the {{{}}} brackets and was trying to figure out where to put them when i saw you'd done it, and more! Just one question - The inforbox is not currently visible on the template page - is this because you are still working on it, or is it supposed to be invisible? Thanks again :-) BigSteve (talk) 15:49, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I will make it visible when I am finished working on it, by adding visible example to the documentation page (see other templates like, for example, template:infobox person). having it invisible is actually a helpful error check for missing | or other symbols. your idea to add kits is a good one (in my opinion). let me know if you need more help or if something is broken. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
Cool - I though it was some technical reason like that. I have been looking at the markup code that you changed to help me learn how to do it. Thanks for the help and the understanding! BigSteve (talk) 16:31, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Both are correct!

  • Your correction is OK here,but we learn from each other, actually, both are correct! The British usage is 'Enrol' while 'Enroll' is often used in Canada and the probably the US too.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:24, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

Button not working on a couple

I don't understand why the button is not working on these two templates: Template:Montreal Wanderers seasons, Template:Ottawa Senators (original) seasons

it was the formatting as 'title = .... |' instead of '| title = ...' that screwed it up. I added some lines for this case, so it should be working now. Frietjes (talk) 15:08, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Redmarshall

Hello. Why have you taken an interst in editing my page? I am working on it as part of my digree and it is a working progress. The artical will be completed by May 10th. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.197.98.159 (talk) 10:54, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

really, it's your page? I would suggest adding sources to the article, and avoid using it for promotional advertisement. Frietjes (talk) 15:11, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

thank you

Thank you for cleaning up the NYCB Janice Levin dancers section. — Robert Greer (talk) 17:35, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

NHL team season templates

The templates for NHL team seasons are structured in such a way as to have the season line up from decade to decade. Your edits destroy that logical alignment, making the template look chaotic. Jmj713 (talk) 21:46, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

The use of hardcoded bullets is deprecated per wp:accessibility, the use of colouring to indicate cup winners is also deprecated per wp:accessibility. Frietjes (talk) 21:47, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Feel free to propose new variations in Hockey talk first. I don't mind changes as long as they're discussed first and the logical decade breakdown isn't altered. Jmj713 (talk) 21:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

ToC templates

This is what I'm trying to do. --64.85.216.195 (talk) 14:45, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

I see, you are trying to allow certain links to be suppressed. I will add this feature. Frietjes (talk) 14:48, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
Ah, OK. I was so close. Thanks. --(Dynamic IP, will change when I log off.) 64.85.216.195 (talk) 15:06, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
yes, you were close. your edits were very helpful in that we now have a more fully featured template (and expanded documentation) as a result. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 15:37, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Disney attraction infobox

Thanks for sorting out the transition to the new template. I'd thought it'd take a week or more to swap all those transclusions over. I see Anthony Appleyard ‎has merged the history but we've still got a redirect at infobox Disney ride. I think we'dbe better off deleting the redirect. What you do think? JIMp talk·cont 23:58, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any problem with keeping the redirect for a bit since the old and new template are about 98% compatible. if someone wants to view an old version of an article, they will basically see everything correctly, but just have some raw numbers without units in a few places. after some time has passed, then this is less of an issue, but for right now, I would leave it. Frietjes (talk) 00:01, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
Fair enough, let it stay for a while and review the need for it some months (or years) down the track. JIMp talk·cont 00:20, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox townlands

Hi, Any chance you could return to your work on {{Infobox townlands}}, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:59, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

I think we can probably just use what I developed in the sandbox. the only minor remaining points are that (1) it would be nice to have the option to move the image_map below the pushpin_map and (2) where to put the derivations. other than that I didn't see any real objections. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Infobox games

There's a bug in {{Infobox games}}; please see Closing ceremony. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

sure, there were some repeated numbers. Frietjes (talk) 16:23, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

basketball player

I did 2 out of 3 tasks asked in User talk:Magioladitis. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:16, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Gorg station

Can you please stop adding a map locator on this article? Articles about railway stations do not usually include a map, just if they are very important stations, but this is not the case of "Gorg". Mllturro (talk) 18:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

the map is useful information, and I see no reason to not have it. Frietjes (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
I have one reason. This map is for locations within Barcelona city, not in Badalona city. And you cannot say: "Location of Gorg within Badalona" because this is not a map of Badalona. Mllturro (talk) 19:20, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
fixed by changing the caption. Frietjes (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
"Location just outside of Barcelona"? Is it from a serious encyclopedia? ;) Mllturro (talk) 19:30, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
then "near Barcelona". Frietjes (talk) 19:32, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
And please, do not add footnotes in the template. All the references needed in the article are already added. Mllturro (talk) 19:35, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

collapsible option issue

What is going on at Template:Phoenix Suns?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:43, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

there were two <noinclude>...</noinclude> sections and it added the template to the first one. the script basically did the right thing by adding it to <noinclude>...</noinclude> section with the categories. I could make it add it to last one, but the real fix was to just merge the two sections, which is what was done by Martin tamb. there was really nothing wrong with where it added it, just a bad design in where the <noinclude>...</noinclude> sections were placed before you got there. so, I see a few possibilities here: (1) modify the script so it adds the {{collapsible option}} to the last <noinclude>...</noinclude> section, (2) modify the script to have it merge duplicated <noinclude>...</noinclude> sections in some special cases, (3) ignore the problem. I can do whatever you want here, just let me know. Frietjes (talk) 14:03, 23 March 2012 (UTC)

convert/sm

Thanks! - Denimadept (talk) 18:02, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Template:Avant-garde

Please refrain from reverting again - there are 2 separate articles: Minimalism and Minimalism (visual arts) and both articles were already included, please read the list of general articles on the bottom of the template; thank you...Modernist (talk) 22:06, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help...Modernist (talk) 03:57, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

March 2012

You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. --Chris (talk) 16:17, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

I've started a discussion at the snooker project about the template changes you've initiated: Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Snooker#Template changes. Now the dispute has spread to other templates that affect most of the snooker articles it is probably best discussed there. Betty Logan (talk) 01:56, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
User:Crazycomputers has agreed to unblock you on the proviso that you agree to not make any further alterations to the templates until there is a consensus, as per User_talk:Crazycomputers#Armbrust. If you wish to accept his offer then post an 'unblock request' on your talk page and an admin will sort it out. Betty Logan (talk) 05:13, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

A beer on me!
Thanks very much for fixing the issues with Template:Edit filter manager topicon. I created the userbox and thought it would be nice to have a topicon to go with it. Unfortunately, my codeing skill leaves a lot to be desired ;) Pol430 talk to me 20:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)

Ohio politicians

User Marcus qwertyus has reverted several pages making them now incorrect. He reverted the Ohio Senate and Ohio House of Representatives from showing the most up-to-date information. He also reverted John Carey and David T. Daniels, who are no longer members. He also deleted Mark Malone, a former legislator and deleted lasting changes to Jason Wilson. Please do what you can to fix this. Everyone is sick of his games in reverting good edits due to his personal vendettas. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cisco7961 (talk • contribs) 13:25, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for helping with that. Will you still take a look at Daniels and Carey? Also, why did you remove the room numbers from the Senate, and when an individual resigns from the house, the party of the resignee appoints the successor, so no need to remove the party shade. I am an expert on Ohio state politics, and would love to help with this stuff, but it is very difficult due to three users who constantly revert and delete. Please help with this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.231.67.147 (talk) 15:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

the room numbers are superfluous per WP:DIRECTORY, and there is no reason to keep the shading for a vacant seat. when it is filled again, it can easily be added back again. I am only making changes on my own behalf, not on the behalf of others. however, feel free to let me know about factual errors and I will fix them if they can be verified. some of the changes were too soon (e.g., someone who doesn't resign until April 10). Frietjes (talk) 15:32, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Will you recreate the pages that Marcus Qwertyus has had deleted. Pages such as John Eklund and Charleta Tavares as well as numerous people in the House are no longer represented and really should be. Furthermore, what happened to the Bob Peterson page? You will notice that there was nothing wrong with the previous version before the revert. Myself and numerous others would like to contribute to make these pages better without being blocked by this guy.

CollegeInsider.com tournament

You sent me this message. hope you don't mind but I merged this tournament box with the main NCAA one, and have since nominated the specialized one for deletion here. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 19:52, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

So exactly what did you nominate for deletion? Are you saying you nominated the infobox for deletion? The CollegeInsider.com Tournament is a completely different tournament than the NCAA Tournament. The NIT has it's own box. The CBI has it's own box. They are all different tournaments. Furthermore they each have a main tournament infobox and a seasonal tournament infobox. None of them should be deleted because they go on a season-by-season basis. Bigddan11 (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

I am saying that they can all be merged into one 'college basketball tournament' template. I know that these are different tournaments, but the only difference between the templates is the title at the top and the links at the bottom. I see no reason why they can't be merged into a single template, which would prevent us from needing to maintain a separate template for every single tournament (I have found at least 6 or 7). Frietjes (talk) 22:31, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
There are quite a few differences I believe you fail to recognize. The NCAA Tourney awards the Most Outstanding Player Award. The others award the Most Valuable Player award. Then there's the timelines. The timelines are different for each tournament. If you merge them all with the NCAA Tourney, then you take them all back to the same year the first NCAA Tourney was held. Extending the sections alone doesn't work when it comes to the timelines.

Bigddan11 (talk) 22:35, 4 April 2012 (UTC)

tell me if you see any any visible difference in the infobox in this version and this version. the only difference between the two was this edit. I see no difference. Frietjes (talk) 22:38, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I am talking about the infobox, not the navbox. Frietjes (talk) 22:40, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
I was referring to the infobox as well. And yes, there is one huge difference. The old infobox has them listed as playing in the semifinals, not the Final Four. Only the NCAA Tournament uses the classification of the Final Four for the NCAA postseason tournamen. The NIT, CBI, and CiT don't. If you want to know the truth, I based the infoboxes for the CBI and CiT off of the National Invitation Tournament Infobox, not the NCAA Tournament infobox, and you have failed to nominate the NIT Tourney Infobox for deletion. Why isn't it being merged? Now I don't know how you managed to keep the MVP listed as MVP instead of MOP, but if they are to become one, then the NIT needs to be merged, and the only one that needs to say Final Four for the semifinals is the NCAA Tourney.
I fixed the FinalFour -> Semifinal here. For some reason the CollegeInsider.com box was using FinalFourCount instead of SemiFinalCount. and, the NIT template was nominated here. Frietjes (talk) 23:02, 4 April 2012 (UTC)
The same thing needs to be done with the CBI and NIT. They have always had Final four Count= listed but had it programmed to say Semifinal on their individual Tournament boxes. They both reverted back to Final Four when you merge them with the NCAA one if you don't make whatever change you did for the CiT. Then all the infoboxes in each tournament have to be changed to say NCAA Tourney, type=, etc. at the top.

Eurovision templates

Please cease altering the Eurovision templates. A consensus has been agreed at WT:ESC to have them redesigned in the new format. You are altering tag lines, which are not necessary. Wesley☀Mouse 15:52, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for posting a reply on my talk page, although I'd prefer if you replied it here, as I am watching your talk page for replies, and it keeps a conversation consistent without the need to be switching talk pages to see what the other person has written. A lengthy discussion about the new format for templates has taken place at ] which is the project page for Eurovision-related articles and templates. The newly agreed format along with its parameters and coding has been agreed upon amongst several editors on the project, and it is this new format that is being rolled out across all the templates for the ESC project. Your alterations is going against a consensus that has been agreed, and I have just spent almost 24 hours doing a major rollout exercise. This kind of disruption is halting my work ethics and now slowing me down in having to restore all the hard work I've put in. Please visit the project talk page and discuss your concerns there. Thanks Wesley☀Mouse 16:03, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I read that thread, and there is nothing in the thread that mentions (1) the need for a redlinked "view link" at the top of the template which goes to a non-existing template, (2) the desire for no space between the flag icon and the text in the title (which is in contradiction to all other templates with flag icons in the title), and (3) the desire for the template to add a bunch of whitespace at the bottom of the articles. Frietjes (talk) 16:05, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Of all the taglines, the first one

  • |name = German Eurovision Representation: is referring to national (for example; German not Germany)
  • |title = {{flagicon|Germany}}]: this line confirms the name of the template
  • |below=<small>(Note: Entries scored out are when Germany did not compete): this line needs to be in small text

And as the navigation boxes are multiple collapsing, then the other coding made it more easier for people to understand, as there are some editors on the project who are not overly familiar with how to alter templates. Having it this way provided simplicity to editors who lacked knowledge on how templates work. Wesley☀Mouse 16:10, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Did you actually look at what I changed? I never changed any of the collapsing features. Since you don't see to understand, let's look at the current version of Template:Macedonia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest
{{Navbox with collapsible groups
|name = Macedonian Junior Eurovision Representation
|state = uncollapsed
|selected = {{{1|}}}
|title = {{flagicon|Macedonia}}]
do you see how we have |name=Macedonian Junior Eurovision Representation but the template is named Template:Macedonia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest and the title is "Macedonia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest"? I changed this to
{{Navbox with collapsible groups
|name = Macedonia in the Junior Eurovision Song Contest
|state = uncollapsed
|selected = {{{1|}}}
|title = {{flagicon|Macedonia}} ]
There is no template named {{Macedonian Junior Eurovision Representation}}. Frietjes (talk) 16:17, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Please stop being pragmatic towards myself as an editor. I have noticed all your alternations, I do this by viewing "diff" so I can see exactly what an editor has done. So to say "Did you actually look at what I changed?" to myself personally is wrong on all levels. And to assume that I "don't understand" is also very bad faith. We as editors should always assume good faith, regardless of what we may think. To make things more comprehensive, I have copied your four bullet points over to here, and then we can discuss each of them individually.
  1. The name parameter must match the template name. Notice the redlink at the top left corner
    1. I shall look into these actually, as no redlinks have been appearing when I view them.
  2. The template is adding newlines to the bottom of the articles
    1. What do you mean its adding lines to the bottom of an article? - Please explain more simplified and not in gobbledigook.
  3. There is no space between the flag and the name, which is not the format used  Macedonia vs. North MacedoniaMacedonia.
    1. The space should be in-between the flag and name, I agree with that one. And I have been putting the space there, but they seem to be disappearing once I click on "save".
  4. The use of <small>...</small> is deprecated in favor of {{small}}
    1. Using <small>...</small> creates the text to be small, which is what is needed. Whereas your version of {{small}} didn't shrink the text size whatsoever.
Wesley☀Mouse 16:25, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
Interesting that you call my edits bad faith, when you marked mine as vandalism here. per wp:accessibility, we try to avoid using text which is too small. however, if you must, then use 'font-size: smaller'. I will alert editors at wt:accessibility to review the template changes. when you add a newline between the end of the template and the start of the <noinclude>...</noinclude> section, it will create a space at the bottom of the article, if there is an additional newline after the template. this is because two newlines is parsed as a <br> by the wikimedia software. It is also good to keep the parameters in the template code in the order they appear in template. someone looking for the below will, naturally, look for it at the end of the template. I will correct this in the templates shortly. Frietjes (talk) 17:23, 6 April 2012 (UTC)
I never called your edits "bad faith", I think you are misunderstanding what I said to you. I said the personalised comments aimed at me are "bad faith". As for the vandalism thing, you altered a template, to which I then asked you above to cease. What you should have done was to engage in this debate before re-revrting the template again. That is the correct procedure. As you failed to engage into reasonable discussion, then your action is borderline vandalism. You also state that you will notify wt:accessibility to review the templates. I cannot see them taking action in all honesty, as the project WT:ESC concluded in a discussion about reviewing these templates to being with. As there was a majority consensus, then a diplomatic agreement has been reached regarding the go-ahead for the new format. <noinclude>...</noinclude> was already in the original templates, all that has been added is the new format, the <noinclude>...</noinclude> sections haven't been touched. So to accuse me of adding something which was already in the original is uncalled for. Wesley☀Mouse 17:41, 6 April 2012 (UTC)