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Degan, cut it the hell out. I'm not going to say "focus on content, not on editors" again. If you can't constructively discuss the issues brought up, and can only discount them ad hominem, you are not helping, you're only disruptive.
Amalthea 09:42, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
August 2011
{{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. Elen of the Roads (talk) 13:54, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
DegenFarang (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I would like to request that this block not be indefinite. I am really angry right now because I exposed a group of meat puppets and nothing is being done about it. That is not an excuse for my actions, however, and I recognize that what I have been doing has indeed been harassment. I promise that if I am given a block with a definite timeframe I will accept it and return with a cool head. I think a month would be appropriate.
Decline reason:
"Indefinite" does not mean "infinite". It means "until you satisfy the community that you are unlikely to repeat disruptive behaviours". So, you convince the community, the length of block will change to something finite. See WP:GAB (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 17:59, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
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DegenFarang (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I voluntarily took more than 6 weeks off before requesting this unblock. I was harassing other users and promise not to do so again. I was very heated at that time but now have gotten over it completely and would just like to continue editing as normal. Thank you.
Decline reason:
I'm usually an advocate of second chances. You've already had yours. Not counting the one accidental block, this is your eighth block. I respect that you took six weeks off voluntarily, but "time served" is not really an indicator that anything will be different if you are unblocked. Perhaps if you specifically detailed what you would do if you found yourself in a similar situation to that one you were in just before being blocked it would present a more compelling argument for ending your block. Beeblebrox (talk) 16:44, 24 September 2011 (UTC)
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DegenFarang (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I would like to be given another chance to edit. Please see this article that perfectly summarizes the experience I had on Misplaced Pages. Experienced editors who were 'critical and hostile' toward the contributions that I made and my response to them ultimately led to me being blocked. I am exactly the kind of person Misplaced Pages is trying to figure out how to retain. 99% of my edits and actions on Misplaced Pages were in good faith and contributed positively to the encyclopedia. I just sucked at dealing with hostile editors. I will work on that. Thank you. DegenFarang (talk) 8:36 pm, Yesterday (UTC−4)
Decline reason:
It was not "experienced editors" that led to you being blocked. It was you that led to you being blocked. Continuing to blame others does not demonstrate that you've learned anything in the time you've been blocked. TNXMan 14:07, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
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- As per the previous decline, we need to better understand how you will deal with difficult situations in the future. After all, if you are unblocked, and should you return to any of those same behaviours in the future, you will be permanently (yes, INFINITELY) be removed from this project with pretty much 0% chance of return. We're protecting both you AND your fellow editors right now by asking this (talk→ BWilkins ←track) 12:16, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
DegenFarang (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))
Request reason:
I will deal with difficult situations by avoiding them. A vast majority of the problems I have had are with one user. A user who was very hostile toward me from the second I joined Misplaced Pages. I never got over this and indeed did stalk him and harass him for a long period of time. I will disengage completely from interacting with that user. This should clear up 99% of the problems I had or could have in the future. In addition, if other editors are rude or hostile toward me I will make every effort not to respond negatively back to them and 'take the high road'. I understand and accept that if I am given another opportunity to edit and have further problems, I'll be blocked forever. That fact alone is sufficient to motivate me to ignore those who are rude or hostile toward me. DegenFarang (talk) 08:49, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
Accept reason:
Please see below. — madman 02:00, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
noting for the record that the hold is more based on ongoing discussion than awaiting comment from he blocking admin, whose userpage notice indicates they trust others to modify their blocks. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
"It was not "experienced editors" that led to you being blocked. It was you that led to you being blocked. Continuing to blame others does not demonstrate that you've learned anything in the time you've been blocked."
Is this part of the moderator training? Every declined unblock request I have ever seen includes a statement like this. Like people don't even review what happened and automatically deny a request that includes any mention of 'they' or 'them' or 'he' or 'her'. Every situation is not black and white. If a user is harassed and stalked by another user, reports this on numerous occasions and nothing is done about it, and finally takes the bait and engages in the some sort of poor behavior, and the user who baited them uses their knowledge of Misplaced Pages and friends to have that person blocked - it is not so simple just to say 'YOU did this it was YOUR fault'. What happened to me, more than anything, was a failure on the part of Misplaced Pages. Indeed this surely happens on a vast scale and is a key reason why Misplaced Pages is not able to retain editors. They are run off or blocked in situations like this. And given condescending reasons by editors and moderators alike that it is their fault and nobody elses
I could tell you what you want to hear and lie and say yes, yes this was all my fault please pretty please unblock me and go on doing exactly what I was doing. That is how you want this game to be played. I respect Misplaced Pages too much to do that. I want to come back and help it for the better and use my case as an example of how Misplaced Pages is broken and suggest changes that can be made to prevent this type of situation from happening to others. So Misplaced Pages can stop losing valuable contributors like me.
Was the very last action that led to me being blocked 100% my fault? Absolutely. I take full responsibility for going too far and harassing another user. That will not happen again. What happened before that though is an important part of the conversation and was not completely my fault and could easily have been avoided if other users and many, many moderators - and especially myself - had done things differently. DegenFarang (talk) 08:57, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- Degen the above kind of attitude is not going to work. This current block is not your first indefinite block. I blocked you and then unblocked you prior to this. In that unblock agreement you promised to stop. You did not. In fact you escalated the issue. Furthermore your attitude that this is a problem with "one user" demonstrates the whole of the reason sysops are not unblocking this account: the problems here are related to your attitude to others within a topic area (Poker biographies). Your stalking and harassment of another user is just a symptom of that problem. Your above comment illustrates no change in attitude, no realization of the collaborative nature of this project, but rather it seeks to blame others for your actions. At this point I'm of a mind not only to decline your unblock request but protect this page for a limited time so that you can reflect on the points being made to you (I have not done this yet as I am open to changing my opinion). Editing wikipedia is a privilege not a right - your privileges have been revoked until you learn to work within wikipedia's framework for editing and collaboration. Please take cognisance of teh advice being given and please consider it before responding--Cailil 12:27, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
- The points being made to me are that I am at fault for my actions. I acknowledge that completely and have done so numerous times. I understand harassing users is not permitted, no matter what they did to you, and I agree not to do it in the future. I mentioned other users only because Misplaced Pages is currently seeking ways to prevent new editors from leaving the site and one of the reasons cited was the hostile culture they find when they join. I cited my case as a perfect example of this and thought for that reason somebody may have sympathy for my situation. It still does not excuse my behavior nor does it give me license to continue on the same way in the future. However I think it does give a valid reason to consider the unblock request, if me simply promising to change is not enough. Misplaced Pages is specifically trying to figure out how to retain users just like me. I'm presenting you with an opportunity to help. If that isn't enough for you because you need to hear me say flat out that I was wrong and I wont do it again and I'm 100% sure of that - I just did. And I have numerous times. I'll say it again: I was wrong. I wont do it again. I'm 100% sure of that. DegenFarang (talk) 12:44, 30 March 2012 (UTC)
proposal
- I appreciate that you are owning up, at last, to why you were blocked and I feel like progress is being made here, but considering your rather lengthy block log and the fact that you have made promises of this nature before I think there should be some conditions. Would you be willing to agree to being topic banned form poker biography articles for say, six months? I also think that having a sort of single-purpose mentor for you would be a good idea. You wouldn't have to get permission from them for any normal editing, but if/when you find yourself in any sort of conflict with another user, you could take it to them and ask how to properly handle it instead of doing so yourself. I get that you are trying to say you just won't get into conflicts, but everybody does once in a while, whether they were looking for them or not, and that seems to be the source of a lot of your past problems. Do these sound like conditions you could accept? Beeblebrox (talk) 00:34, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I would accept these conditions and the poker biographies condition is probably a very good idea. I would ask however that the 'single-purpose mentor' not be an administrator who I have had problems with in the past, otherwise it could function like a probation officer who starts off disliking me and wanting to bust me. Such as the administrator who popped in here to comment because they can't stand me and comment negatively on everything that shows up on my talk page. I would prefer it be somebody with an open mind who can objectively analyze new situations as needed. DegenFarang (talk) 02:01, 31 March 2012 (UTC)
- I am going to ask for a volunteer, preferably an admin with no previous history with you, at WP:AN. Beeblebrox (talk)
- Sorry this took so long, I was out of town when the request for a volunteer adviser was answered. Madman (talk · contribs) has agreed to handle it. So, the six months of restrictions would start today. Welcome back. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:04, 11 April 2012 (UTC)