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Final Warning

In response to the ANI thread raised against you...the people complaining are right. Your comments are absolutely unacceptable; I am particularly concerned with the edit summaries on , , and . Furthermore, you say in ANI,"I understand I will have to be less passionate in talk pages...." That is an extreme understatement--you need to take your comments (see the ANI for examples) and dial them back 90%. You clearly seem to view this topic as a WP:BATTLEGROUND, and that your responsibility here is to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS; if you read those links, however, you'll see that neither is allowed on Misplaced Pages. If you can contribute civilly on the topic and provide good information that is neutral and verified in reliable sources, you're welcome to stay. But if you make any more comments of this nature, I will block you; continued bad behavior will eventually result in you being blocked indefinitely. If you want a fight, you've got the wrong website. For all I know, you may be 100% right with regards to the actual content, but you cannot use uncivil means to achieve editorial change. If you have questions, post them here and I'll see them. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:58, 16 May 2012 (UTC)

I understand your concerns at Talk:Greece, but given the recent problems that led you being brought to ANI, it's very hard for other editors to take any edit or comment you make with respect to Greek, Turkish, Cypriot, etc. history/politics in a non-judgmental way. I wonder if you might be willing to voluntarily stay away from the topic area for a month or so? Do some solid, non-controversial editing before worrying about nationalist nightmares. Please note that this is not a directive--if you really think that you can now edit those areas with due respect to our policies (both editing and behaviorial), you are welcome to do so; I'm merely trying to see if such a plan might make the whole problem cool down. The idea came from Dr. K, who responded to some criticism I left for Athenean regarding Athenean's comments on Talk:Greece. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:06, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

I am contributing to this discussion at the Talk Page of Athenean and hope not to be obliged to enter similar interaction again. All the best, --E4024 (talk) 17:24, 18 May 2012 (UTC)

See who makes edit wars or is an "agressive..." what was that again...?--E4024 (talk) 20:04, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

And, hoop (Turkish saying) in a 2-step operation Cyprus is part of Greece again. Bravo to our "not nationalist" user, he achieved ENOSIS! Dear Administrator, Dr.K. who was supposed to stay away from some topics, me? --E4024 (talk) 20:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

He included Cyprus as historically part of the "Greek speaking world". Now, I don't know much about European history, but I was pretty sure that that is a widely held fact. He's not claiming Cyprus is currently a part of Greece. This is another why I'm saying that it might be best if you avoided this area--you seem to see bias where there is none. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:22, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

I have to agree with Qwyrxian here. These look like pretty innocuous edits to me, yet you started making sarcastic allegations about Athenean as if he were some type of nationalist and saying "Bravo" etc. Yet on this edit on Athenean's talkpage you said: In the meantime I will devote myself to other activities, if not provoked. I thought this meant that you would react to personal provocation. It seems that merely not agreeing with the edits of Greek editors provokes you. Is it possible that you could assume good faith a little more of certain Greek editors? Or is this too much to ask? Δρ.Κ.  23:58, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Qwyrxian, this is what I was trying to say when I said 2-step. He first wrote "Greek speaking world" (for you) then changed it again -in less than an hour- in order to make it impossible to show (at least for me, a newcomer) or see the two edits together. This way he changed what no one had touched (my last edit) in almost three days. When you read the article as it is now, yes, Cyprus looks like it is part of Greece. Dr. K. my "bravo" was not sarcastic. I am sure that if not you other Greek editors (or at least Athenean himself) said bravo to his intelligence...

Not admitting that your remark: Bravo to our "not nationalist" user, he achieved ENOSIS! is sarcastic, is disingenuous to say the least. Also your vision of "nationalist" editors secretly self-congratulating themselves for their purportedly mischievous edits betrays a fundamental misunderstanding of how Misplaced Pages works. The tragic thing is not only you continue along your faulty path but that you also try to defend it. Δρ.Κ.  18:56, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

On the other hand, I began writing here basicly to write about articles related to the Turks. Cyprus is a main concern for me. I will certainly continue to observe the edits (content, not contributor) of "certain" Greek editors, I know not all of them are what Athenean called me. Best regards to both. --E4024 (talk) 07:18, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

What on earth are you talking about I "changed it again -in less than an hour in order to make it impossible..."? The article still says "Greek-speaking world". FYI there was no country called "Greece" back then, only a Greek-speaking world, so yes, I stand by my edit. "When you read the article as it is now, yes, Cyprus looks like it is part of Greece. "? Are you serious? This is really becoming ridiculous, I'm starting to think it might be best if you took an involuntary break from editing Cyprus-related topics. Athenean (talk) 07:40, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

@Athenean: Cyprus is in the previous sentence and will stay there only until people have enough time to see what you are trying to do: understate other people's intelligence... --E4024 (talk) 08:43, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

The only thing I am "trying to do" is help build a better online encyclopedia. I really don't care about what you think I am trying to do, but it's probably in your best interest to keep it to yourself. Athenean (talk) 19:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)

Don't worry user:E4024, with Greece's current crises, I don't think they'll have money to keep presenting nationalist claims everywhere. P.S. There are loads of 'Greek' users on here colluding with other nationalists, so be warned. It's a real shame they've managed to hijack wikipedia like this.Ottomanist (talk) 20:33, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

First, E4024, please don't take Ottomanist's advice, since xe was just blocked for a week for edit warring and ethnic attacks, not someone you should try to emulate. As for the entirety of the conversation, while I'm not going to enforce everything, I think it might be best if you all just walked away. There's no need to snipe here, because everytime someone does, it slightly raises the tension on the overall topic, and makes it that much more likely that someone is going to snap and get blocked. If there are actual problems with edits in article space or article talk, feel free to notify me on my talk page, or bring them directly to a noticeboard if you want immediate action. Qwyrxian (talk) 21:18, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

While I wholeheartedly agree with you Qwyrxian, I would like to clarify that I would have stayed as far from here as is possible, had E4024 not explicitly invited my comment along with yours: Dear Administrator, Dr.K. who was supposed to stay away from some topics, me? --E4024 (talk) 20:43, 20 May 2012 (UTC). Now, subsequently to coming here, after being invited in earnest by E4024, to engage in good-faith conversation, I really do not appreciate such participation being described as sniping and tension-raising. On the other hand, given the demonstrable futility of my arguments here, if such rhetorical questions are posed again at me on this talkpage in the future I will just ignore them. Δρ.Κ.  22:00, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Your recent edit at User talk:Athenean

Hello E4024. Please be aware that your undoing of an edit by Athenean on his own talk page was incorrectly described by you as a vandalism revert. Users are free to remove messages on their own talk per WP:REMOVED. I have no idea what disagreement you may be having with Athenean, but if you are planning to escalate this, it is not wise to begin with an incorrect charge of vandalism. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am sorry. I was not aware of that. I thought one could not erase other's Talk wherever it was. Sorry to disturb you and thanks for the information. I will not repeat the same consciously. All the best and sorry again. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

BTW EdJohnston, do you happen to have another user name? Regards. --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)