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Amendment: Scientology (Lyncs)

Initiated by Lyncs (talk) at 17:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

Case affected

Scientology arbitration case (t) (ev / t) (w / t) (pd / t)

Clauses to which an amendment is requested

see User talk:Lyncs/archive1

Suspension of site ban: User:Justanother / User:Justallofthem

Your indefinite site ban is suspended subject to your unconditional acceptance of and compliance with the following restrictions:

Single account limitation

You may edit from one account only - currently Lyncs (talk · contribs) - with no exceptions for whatever reason. You may rename that account provided (i) you immediately notify the committee of the rename; (ii) the redirects from the prior account name remain in place; and (iii) you display a link to the previous account name on your user page.

Interaction ban Cirt

i) You may neither communicate with nor comment upon or make reference to either directly or indirectly to User:Cirt or their contributions on any page in the English Misplaced Pages. You may not edit Cirt's talk or user pages though you may, within reason, comment within other pages providing your comments do not relate directly or indirectly to Cirt or their edits. The sole exception to the interaction ban is that you may respond civilly on matters explicitly pertaining to you raised by Cirt or any other editor in any dispute resolution or enforcement context.

ii) Should you violate the letter or spirit of the restrictions above, you may be blocked without prior warning via the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard: on the first occasion for up to one week; on the second occasion for up to one month; and on the third occasion for up to three months. Appeal of any blocks is to the Arbitration Committee.

Topic banned from Scientology

You are indefinitely topic-banned from Scientology on the standard terms outlined here.

For the Arbitration Committee, Roger talk 13:20, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

List of users affected by or involved in this amendment

• Lyncs (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) (initiator)
• Cirt (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)

Confirmation that the above users are aware of this request

• Would someone viewing this please be so kind as to inform Cirt; I am not able to under the terms of the reinstatement. Thanks --Lyncs (talk) 17:10, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
• Cirt notified. --Alexandr Dmitri (talk) 11:54, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Amendment 1

• Remove all account restrictions based on over one year of good behavior.

Statement by Lyncs

I was conditionally reinstated well over one year ago with the comment at the time that I could ask to have the restrictions lifted following some period of good behavior. I believe that statement was in an email from an arbitrator and can try to find it if needed.

It is now well over one year and I think that I have evidenced my good behavior and good intentions. I do not edit all that much but might edit more in the future. I would prefer to 1) have access to a subject, Scientology, that I am extremely conversant with and 2) not have any live mines that I might inadvertently step onto vis-a-vis interaction bans or the like.

It is not my intention to interact with Cirt and it is currently not my intention to edit Scientology articles but I do not think there is any need to bar me from either at this point. If I do edit in Scientology (which could happen) or interact with Cirt (which is unlikely), I would still be bound by the rules and norms of Misplaced Pages with the added factor that I will be subject to certain scrutiny so I think it is not inappropiate to grant this request. Thank you.

1. Response to Newyorkbrad: Lifting the one account restriction is the least of my concerns and if that is a deciding factor or a factor of concern then I have no problem continuing editing solely from this account. --Lyncs (talk) 12:00, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

2. Response to AGK: I could make argument on the merits of the original sanctions and possible injustices but I am not interesting in rehashing that nor, I imagine, is the committee. The fact that I have been back for well over one year and have not had any problems is indicative of the fact that I am not into causing problems. That is an important point. Troublemakers cause trouble. They do not stop because they are now excluded from one area or another. They make trouble where they are. That is not what I am about.

On second thought, I will say one thing of a general nature related to my sanctions. When I started editing here, I edited the Scientology articles as that was something I had been involved with for many years. If you are familiar with that territory prior to the arbitration, the Scientology articles were a battleground of anti-Scientology zealots warring with Scientology zealots with the antis well in control of the situation. But it was noisy nonetheless. I arrived as a non-zealot Scientologist just trying to add some balance and the benefit of my knowledge. While there were and are plenty of non-zealot folks that do not think highly of Scientology, few seemed to accept that there could be a Scientologist that was a not a zealot. To most, especially the antis, all Scientologists were programmed, brainwashed, and agents of the evil OSA. But that is how zealots see things. I made many thousands of edits. My edits were never much of an issue. What was the issue was that I screamed pretty loudly when getting stuck with pins. I think that the project is wiser now on the subject of Scientology. I hope it is wiser on the subject of wiki-bullying in general.

I could discretely canvass my wiki-friends and ask them to speak for me but I am not going to do that. They are, of course, welcome to speak on my behalf if they care to; I am just not going around asking anyone to do so.

I think the fact that no-one feels strongly enough about my request to come over here and object says something also. I think the fact that it is so quiet here speaks for my request, not against it.

In other words, I present the case that my request is almost a non-issue and I am simply looking for the sanctions to be lifted as "time served" with a warning to watch my step in the future or as appropriate. --Lyncs (talk) 00:55, 26 May 2012 (UTC)

3. Response to Roger Davies: All due respect, but I am not sure what more persuasive argument I can make regarding the two and third issues.

I think the fact that three years have elapsed since the end of the Scientology case and I have had next to zero interaction with Cirt and exhibited zero inclination to harass him in any manner should, IMO, be all the argument I need make. What more can I say? I have already stated that "it is not my intention to interact with Cirt". It is not my intention to interact with Cirt and certainly not my intention to cause him grief. I just do not feel that, based on my evidenced lack of intention to harass him, I need have concern about violating a sanction were our paths to cross in some innocuous fashion. Let me put it a bit more strongly; it is my intention to avoid crossing paths with Cirt where possible and to keep things civil if circumstance puts us on the same page.

Regarding the one account restriction, as I state above, that one I can live with but, again based on good behavior, I also would be fine with having it lifted and simply being reinstated in full. --Lyncs (talk) 16:10, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

4. Response to "Statement by Cirt": I think it is appropriate to respond to Cirt's points seeing as he posted them as arguments against my request. If the committee feels this is not appropriate then this edit can be undone. I do not think that his arguments against my request are compelling as outlined below:

1. The reason I was blocked in January 2011 and unblocked in February 2011 is because, when I requested reinstatement in January 2011, I voluntarily admitted that I had some months previously evaded my site ban. The Lyncs account was then blocked pending the outcome of my request. I know that such evasion is a serious breach and I have apologized for it to at least one user . I do not know if I have apologized to the community as a whole but I will do that now. I apologize for evading my ban. I do want to mention that I made a total of one mainspace edit under the ban. One . I did not like socking and that is not who I am. I asked for and received reinstatement. This point is a known issue.

2. I think it was my right to remove notices referring to me as a banned user as I was not longer a banned user. The Justa... accounts were never inappropriate socks. They were my main and known accounts. How could they be socks? This whole socking thing was blown way out of proportion and is a bit of a sore point with me. I will expand on that a bit later. I very briefly tried socking, I don't like it.

3. Cirt seems to be making some distinction between my old accounts that I can no longer use as a condition of my reinstatement and me as a user? Not sure I agree with that. I am the user. I used a number of accounts. I was banned. Now I am not banned. My other accounts are not "banned" separate from me. I just cannot use them. I was asked to choose which account I wanted to use going forward. I picked Lyncs. I could have picked one of my older, known, accounts. This sort of stuff actually speaks to why I would like all the sanctions lifted as "time served". I would like to be able to go forward without clouds of this sort.

4. Yes, I have wiki-friends and, yes, I communicate with them. I do not understand why the association of my friend with the arb is important. As regards the quoted comment, as I state in my opening statement here, "I do not edit all that much but might edit more in the future."

5 and 6: See above.

7: I stated that I may want to edit the Scientology articles though, if at all, likely in the same gnomish fashion I am currently editing. I have some ideas for aticles (not Scientology-related) and may pursue those ideas in the coming year. I do not see myself interacting with Cirt, I just do not want a sword hanging over my head on that point.

8: Again, how is a known account a sockpuppet? This account, Lyncs, was briefly a sockpuppet. My Alfadog account for quite some time was simply an undisclosed alternate account as permitted by the then-current rules. It was not a sockpuppet, if by that term we mean something used improperly and in violation of the then-policy on alternate accounts. I was making an attempt to create a identity separate from my known "Scientologist" identity. I inadvertantly made one single edit in the Scientology topic without realizing I was still logged in as Alfadog. I also made a few innocuous edits while under a block. That was inappropriate. So that is the extent of my "socking", maybe six mainspace edits, only one in a hot area. That is why this whole "sockmaster" thing is a sore point with me. That and being raked over the coals over it.

Thank you. --Lyncs (talk) 23:47, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Statement by NuclearWarfare

I took a quick look at Lyncs' 100 most recent article space edits. The edits seem to be fine, but they go back quite far (Aug 2011) and aren't incredibly substantial so there isn't a lot of history to examine. NW (Talk) 03:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

Statement by Cirt

I've been informed by Arbitration Clerk AlexandrDmitri that I may respond to this request, diff.

I have to strongly oppose this request by Lyncs (talk · contribs), for several reasons.

1. Lyncs (talk · contribs) was blocked in January 2011 for "block evasion", and unblocked in February 2011.
2. May 2011 = Lyncs chose to remove ban and sock templates from userpages of his (still blocked) sockpuppets, Justallofthem, Justanother, Justahulk, and Alfadog. He also removed himself from the list of banned users.
3. This is contrary to the terms of his site ban. His other accounts were not unblocked. The siteban was never lifted from the Justallofthem account listed at List of banned users. In fact, the original message posted to Lyncs stated, "You may edit from one account only - currently Lyncs (talk · contribs) - with no exceptions for whatever reason." Therefore, removing the sock tags from all these user pages and the notice that the Justallofthem account is (still) sitebanned was and is inappropriate behavior, and indicative of a lack of change in behavior from that which got him sitebanned.
4. In communication with another party from the ArbCom case that got him sitebanned, diff, Lyncs admits he is "not doing much editing."
5. Since the unblock on the Lyncs account, he has made less than 200 total edits to Misplaced Pages.
6. It doesn't appear that the user has successfully made any quality improvements to any articles (FA, GA, etc.) since being unblocked, that would be a demonstration of willingness to work collaboratively outside the prior topic.
7. Lyncs states in his request statement that it's not his intention to interact with me, or to edit on the topic banned topic. Therefore, I'm not seeing a need here or positive good done by lifting these restrictions.
8. Further, the edits (above) by the Lyncs account post-unblock show an attachment to the prior blocked sockpuppet accounts. This indicates the restriction to one account is still necessary in this case.

Thank you for your time, — Cirt (talk) 14:55, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Statement by Bishonen

I count as a friend of Lyncs' (Justanother), which should be kept in mind when reading the following. But I guess not many people remember this stuff, so after some hesitation I decided to weigh in all the same.

Lyncs doesn't edit much, no. It's chilling to be under restrictions that express so much distrust in one's good will. His continued interest in Misplaced Pages is evidenced by his remaining a gnomish editor throughout this long period. To me it seems reasonable to believe him when he states that he doesn't harbour any intentions to interact with Cirt or — at present — to edit Scientology articles. I'd be really, really surprised if he even wanted to have anything to do with Cirt. This is not the place to criticise Cirt, but since the 2011 ArbCom desysopped him, the long-time campaign of his protector (who has left Misplaced Pages, so there's no reason to name her here) to discredit Justanother as an evil machiavellian harasser of the paragon Cirt has perhaps lost some credibility. This ANI thread from 2008, an attempt to get Justanother community banned, is a particularly egregious example. I'm happy to note that the community ban process has been cleaned up some since then. (My criticism of how it worked on this occasion is here, right at the end, in case you can't face reading the whole. It's a very colourful thread, though, especially the.. uh.. different culture evinced in the input from the two Wikinews editors.)

If Lyncs should return to Scientology on a large scale, and/or in a questionable manner, it would surely be easy to reinstate the restrictions. I suggest all the restrictions be removed (unless everybody including Lyncs is happy with the restriction to one account), perhaps with phrasing that provides for quick and simple reinstatement of them, if required. Bishonen | talk 15:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC).

• Addition: comment on the proposed motion. There were three sanctions; two of them have been proposed for voting. But Lyncs has also requested for the interaction ban with Cirt to be vacated, on the argument that it's not needed; that he doesn't want to interact with Cirt and will avoid doing so, stating that "it is my intention to avoid crossing paths with Cirt where possible and to keep things civil if circumstance puts us on the same page". However, Lyncs is unhappy about having to feel continued "concern about violating a sanction were our paths to cross in some innocuous fashion". I'd be concerned too, if it was me; we all know how differently such things can be interpreted by different admins. Cirt's only argument for opposing lifting this ban is the same as Lyncs' argument for lifting it: that it's not needed, therefore lifting it wouldn't do any "positive good". (If I'm reading his reasoning right.) In my opinion unnecessary restrictions are not so neutral that they might as well be left in place; they're depressing and dispiriting. Yet lifting the interaction ban hasn't even been proposed for voting. Is that omission intentional? Bishonen | talk 13:43, 5 June 2012 (UTC).

Comment by uninvolved Ncmvocalist

With respect to Bishonen above, the topical and interpersonal disputes are in a separate league to the issue of inappropriate use of multiple accounts - the Community has always (to this day) expressed strong views on this issue, given how serious a breach of trust it is. A relevant question, I think, is what caused or tempted the user to the inappropriate use of multiple accounts - did it start off during a dispute in the topic (or with Cirt), did it start off as a matter of generality, or was it well-intentioned conduct that was inadvertantly disruptive (which has now been clarified and remedied)? Unless it is the latter, or this is a case where a single account restriction was completely unwarranted, I would not be comfortable with lending support to the removal of a single account restriction (even with a discretionary sanctions regime). If it did start off during a dispute in a topic or with an user, and that user has subsequently demonstrated there are no issues with his editing in that topic or with that user, then I would agree about the chilling effect - but we are not even at that point yet. Ncmvocalist (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2012 (UTC)

Comment by uninvolved JoshuaZ

I'm not at all sure why anyone thinks there's a need to remove the interaction ban. That seems to be doing its job quite well, and we have no evidence here that the user's behavior has improved in any substantial way. Even more strongly, I see no reason to remove the ban on scientology edits. We're dealing with someone who made a single purpose account to POV push and launch a "campaign"(ArbCom's word) against Cirt. (I strongly suggest that people review that finding of fact and the evidence in the case). That was the finding of fact. So far, we've seen no reason to think that the user even is willing to say that maybe his actions were wrong or against policy. We have no reason to think he isn't going to go back to his usual disruption of Scientology articles. By all means let him edit, and let him do so far away from Cirt and far away from Scientology. JoshuaZ (talk) 16:13, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Statement by {yet another user}

Clerk notes

This section is for administrative notes by the clerks (including clerk recusals).

• I believe the clerks are preparing to close these motions, with only the first carrying (and the second and third being unsuccessful, as arithmetically impossible). AGK 10:14, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Arbitrator views and discussion

• Question to Lyncs: Does your request include termination of the one-account restriction? Newyorkbrad (talk) 22:53, 23 May 2012 (UTC)
• Awaiting statements from the community that what Lyncs believes is appropriately acceptable behavior is indeed so perceived by the community. Jclemens (talk) 00:11, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
• The argument to end the unban restrictions is not compelling, and given the absence of discretionary sanctions for this topic I am therefore reluctant to allow Lyncs' (Justallofthem) appeal. However, I too will await statements by the community (if any are to come) before adjudging. AGK 21:51, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

• Standard discretionary sanctions apply to this topic. I am therefore minded to vacate the existing sanctions, even with the appellant's limited edits this year. A motion to this effect could be proposed if my colleagues are of the same mind. AGK 15:24, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

• I have to admit the lack of contributions to base the solving of past issues concerns me greatly. If I had to vote now, it would be to decline, but waiting for more comments first. SirFozzie (talk) 04:19, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Decline for now: ask again when you've made substantially more edits perhaps?  Roger Davies 15:02, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

• Just reviewing this to see if we can move it forward. What Lyncs seems to be asking for is
  1. Lifting of the Scientology topic ban;
  2. Lifting of the interaction ban with Cirt (and I'd like to hear from Cirt on that one);
  3. Lifting of the one account restriction.
  The Scientology discretionary sanctions won't address all of this so I suggest that unless we hear more Lyncs persuasively addressing the two and third issues, within say, seven days, we decline.  Roger Davies 05:58, 1 June 2012 (UTC)

• While I would prefer to see more editing in a range of topics, I believe that the ARBSCI discretionary sanctions would apply in this case, and would likely be sufficient. Risker (talk) 16:08, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
• Sort of willing to let the topic ban go at this time, but not then other two restrictions. Courcelles 18:03, 2 June 2012 (UTC)
• It is problematic that there are so few edits from which to make an assessment; however, in the absence of concerns from the community, a lifting of the Scientology topic ban seems acceptable as time has passed and we have been lifting restrictions for other editors; also, there are discretionary sanctions in place as well as the SPA remedy to deal with any improper editing. I don't see a need to lift the restriction on using one account, given the low level of activity in the single account; and lifting the interaction ban would be best done in consultation with Cirt - preferably after a period of positive editing. In conclusion, I would decline lifting the interaction ban and the one account restriction, but would not oppose lifting the topic ban. SilkTork 09:32, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Motions: Scientology (Lyncs)

For this motion there are 14 active arbitrators. With 0 arbitrators abstaining, 8 support or oppose votes are a majority.

For reference, the current restrictions on Lyncs (talk · contribs) (who previously edited as Justanother (talk · contribs) and Justallofthem (talk · contribs)) are:

Your indefinite site ban is suspended subject to your unconditional acceptance of and compliance with the following restrictions:

Single account limitation

You may edit from one account only - currently Lyncs (talk · contribs) - with no exceptions for whatever reason. You may rename that account provided (i) you immediately notify the committee of the rename; (ii) the redirects from the prior account name remain in place; and (iii) you display a link to the previous account name on your user page.

Interaction ban Cirt

i) You may neither communicate with nor comment upon or make reference to either directly or indirectly to User:Cirt or their contributions on any page in the English Misplaced Pages. You may not edit Cirt's talk or user pages though you may, within reason, comment within other pages providing your comments do not relate directly or indirectly to Cirt or their edits. The sole exception to the interaction ban is that you may respond civilly on matters explicitly pertaining to you raised by Cirt or any other editor in any dispute resolution or enforcement context.

ii) Should you violate the letter or spirit of the restrictions above, you may be blocked without prior warning via the Arbitration enforcement noticeboard: on the first occasion for up to one week; on the second occasion for up to one month; and on the third occasion for up to three months. Appeal of any blocks is to the Arbitration Committee.

Topic banned from Scientology

You are indefinitely topic-banned from Scientology on the standard terms outlined here.

Motion: Unbanned from Scientology (Lyncs)

Proposed:

The indefinite ban of Lyncs (talk · contribs) from the Scientology topic—that was set down (as "Topic banned from Scientology") as a condition of his successful siteban appeal—is vacated.

Support

1. Proposed. AGK 00:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
2. The discretionary sanctions are enough of a "Safety net" to make this worth a shot. Would have liked to see more edits, nut it is what it is. Courcelles 00:56, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
3. Per Courcelles. Jclemens (talk) 04:22, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
4. In the unlikely event there are fresh COFS probelms, DS can take care of the.  Roger Davies 06:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
5. In the absence of a compelling reason to continue the restriction I support this; while the meagre edits are a concern, the sanctions in place should deal with any problems. SilkTork 17:53, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
6. PhilKnight (talk) 19:10, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
7. Courcelles sums up my thoughts. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 01:03, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
8. Risker (talk) 02:01, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
9. With the firm reminder that the topic-ban can be reinstated through enforcement of discretionary sanctions, or by motion of this Committee, in the hopefully unlikely event this becomes necessary. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:07, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
10. per most of the above really. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:04, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

1. With the lack of edits, I do not have the necessary confidence to support lifting the topic ban. SirFozzie (talk) 05:33, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

Comments by arbitrators

Motion: To vacate single-account restriction (Lyncs)

Proposed:

The indefinite restriction of Lyncs (talk · contribs) to a single account—that was set down (as "Single account limitation") as a condition of his successful siteban appeal—is vacated.

Support

Oppose

1. I view this as less significant to the wider appeal, and by his own admission so too does the appellant, but I propose this anyway in the event that there is a belief that the restriction is also no longer necessary. (I oppose because of the history of socking, but would not oppose a further amendment to remove this condition at some later time.) AGK 00:07, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
2. No case for lifting this has been made. Courcelles
3. Premature to ask for this to be among the first sanctions lifted. In general, the "only one account" should be the last sanction lifted, such that the community can clearly scrutinize all legal edits from the one editor in order to assess the relaxed sanctions' effectiveness. Jclemens (talk) 04:24, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
4. SirFozzie (talk) 06:25, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
5.  Roger Davies 06:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
6. SilkTork 17:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
7. Agree with Courcelles - I'd be willing to relax the restriction if there was a good reason, but otherwise, prefer to keep it in place for now. PhilKnight (talk) 19:12, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
8. Since Lyncs isn't really pressing for this restriction to be lifted at this time (see his response to my question), I don't think this step is necessary. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:09, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
9. Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:02, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

Comments by arbitrators

• Just speaking personally, for good cause, I'd be willing to modify the restriction, say if Lyrics wanted to run a bot. But not lift it. Courcelles 15:00, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Good point. Yes. SilkTork 17:55, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Motion: To vacate interaction ban (Lyncs)

Proposed:

The indefinite ban of Lyncs (talk · contribs) from interacting with Cirt (talk · contribs)—that was set down (as "Interaction ban Cirt") as a condition of his successful siteban appeal—is vacated. We expect Lyncs to abide by his voluntary agreement to recuse from interaction with Cirt except where necessary to conduct legitimate dispute-resolution, discussion, and collaboration, and remind him that any disruptive interaction with Cirt will be grounds for the interaction ban to be restored and for further sanctions to be levied. Unnecessary (and especially harassing) interaction with Cirt may also be sufficient grounds for him to be blocked by any administrator for disruptive editing, as a standard administrative action.

Support

1. Proposed, per Lyncs' request (and Bishonen's reminder, above). I missed that Lyncs has asked for the interaction ban to be vacated too. In supporting this motion, my own thinking is that I do not think it is reasonable to expect that the same problems that existed at the time of the Scientology case will exist today (if the interaction ban is removed), but of course I do expect Lyncs to understand that, if this motion carries and we end up with more of the same mistreatment of Cirt, he will be appropriately sanctioned by further amendments. AGK 14:39, 5 June 2012 (UTC)

Oppose

1. I'd like to see a period of positive edits and behaviour - a proper bedding in, before lifting this restriction. As Cirt is currently restricted from the topic area this gives Lyncs a breathing space to re-establish himself. I'd be happy to revisit this request after 3 months, or whenever there is a sufficient evidence of calm interaction and consensus building with other users. SilkTork 18:01, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
2. At the moment, I'd prefer to just remove the topic ban, and see how things progress from there. If after a few months of removing the topic ban, all is well, we could revisit this issue. PhilKnight (talk) 19:15, 5 June 2012 (UTC)
3. Per Phil. Courcelles 01:48, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
4. Also prefer to give Lyncs the time to re-establish himself/herself as an editor. No prejudice to a future appeal in a few months of effective editing and interaction with other editors. Risker (talk) 02:04, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
5. Per Phil. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs 21:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
6. Per SilkTork, PhilKnight, and Risker. And like them, I'd be willing to revisit this in due course. Newyorkbrad (talk) 21:10, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
7. Per Phil Casliber (talk · contribs) 22:03, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Abstain

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