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Welcome!

Hello, Wiki-star, and welcome to Misplaced Pages! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Misplaced Pages:Where to ask a question, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome! Kukini 06:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

A friendly suggestion regarding signing comments in talk pages

Hello Wiki-star. I've noticed that you always begin your posts with your name, and not always sign with ~~~~ in the end. My guess is that this is a habit you have from some other place, but you probably have noticed that this is not the custom in Misplaced Pages. As the saying goes, "in rome, act like a roman", so it would probably be preferrable if you get the habit of signing your posts with ~~~~ in the end instead. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 13:12, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: If it is a serious problem, then i will stop. However i don't think beginning a question with my name is that much of a problem. And if you don't mind, i would like to continue doing that. And for the record, i do sign at the end of my requested questions with 4 of those symbols (Wiki-star 21:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)). If there is something else i need to add then please inform me.

Thank you for your time! Wiki-star 21:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

It isn't really a serious problem, it's just, well, weird. It's the kind of thing that makes one think, "oh, that guy that signs his name in the beginning again". If you are emotionally attached to this custom, by all means go ahead, but remember that it might not be very pleasent to the wikipedian's eye. About signing with ~~~~, you're doing that just fine, but it seems that you sometimes forget to do it. Not that that's terribly wrong either, but it really is recommended to always remember to sign your posts. You can also customize your signature to be more aesthetically pleasing if you'd like. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 09:54, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Well i hate to break it to you sweet heart but thats just life. No one said accepting something would be easy. But it's just human. Thanks for your understand.

And actually me putting my name before my messgaes makes it easier for the reader, because that way it's better to recognize who is sending the messge. Alot of the questions posed on the Help:Desk is terribly unorganized. I can hardly tell who was the 3rd person responding in a particular question. Don't worry, i hope to be a recognized Image on this site pretty soon. I love Misplaced Pages! It a wonderful site.

Wiki-star 22:46, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Well, much of the confusion of identifying the poster can be avoided by properly using indentation. Putting a colon, :, or several, in the beginning of a line indents the message by that many levels. If everyone uses a different level of indentation than the post before, there'll be not trouble at all knowing who posted what.

Also, if you start a new line, you should put the colons again, otherwise you'll go back to no indentation. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 06:58, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

I too am a fan of the wikicustom of indenting and signing at the end with tildes. Also, the "I hate to break it to you sweat heart" approach to things does not necessarily bring the kind of recognition you might be seeking. Kukini 07:35, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: I'm not trying to seek any kind of recognition. I'm here to be the best wikipedian i can be. And i'm doing so in my original way. If thats a problem, then i guess i don't belong here!

Thanks! Wiki-star 07:39, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

There's no problem (I guess) with being original, but it is suboptimal to do things in a confusing way. Writing your name in the beginning is fine - But your custom of beginning everything with a bullet point (the * symbol) makes your comments very hard to read, since your indentation level changes mid-comment, and overlaps other people's indentation level. This way, it's hard to see who wrote what. The indentation system is efficient and understood by everyone, I see no reason to break it. It makes one think that your desire to stand out, draw attention and be special outweighs your desire to contribute to Misplaced Pages, and if that is indeed the case, perhaps Misplaced Pages isn't really the best place for you. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 09:20, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Man! You really want me out of here don't you? Gosh, i just registered what the hell? My god, if this is the way you treat newbies i better start praying for the experts if they stand out. Sorry for the attitude, but you're not exactly treating me like a welcomed user here. My idea of an expert user, is good time of experience. I'm getting there, but not exactly there yet! I need for you to stop bugging me about me inserting my name first. Unless i recieve a message from an administrator saying that i should cease putting my name first, and giving a thorough reason for doing so, then i will not stop. Once again, unless this is a serious problem in the sites database, please me leave me alone. I enjoy doing this, because it organizes my responses to messages. Thank you.

Thanks! Wiki-star 22:06, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Calm down, I'm just telling you my opinion, that's all. I have no desire for you to be out of here, and I apologize if that's the way it sounded. I'm just giving you some food for thought, and all I'm asking is for you to think about it. Misplaced Pages is definitely not a dictatorship, and no one is going to force you to stop anything which doesn't outright damage people. I personally think people should gain a reputation through a long time of hard work and good deeds, and not by deliberately making efforts to stand out. In my humble opinion, if everyone in Misplaced Pages focused their energies in finding new and improved ways for being differnt than everyone else, we'd get a circus, not an encyclopedia. Kind of defeats the purpose. But this is all just my opinion of course, and you have the right to disagree. -- Meni Rosenfeld (talk) 08:19, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: I appreciate you're concerns my good friend, but i'm not inclined to change my originality because you mentioned it. I'm just a really nice guy, helping others out there! Thats all Wiki-star is. I'll edit my user page soon for you and others out there to find out all about me! Thanks again.

Thanks! Wiki-star 08:24, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star, if you don't want to use the ":" symbol and want to insist on the bullet point, you can add more than one bullet point to indent your comments just as the ":" would. That wouldn't break your style, but would help a lot. Example:

Normal bullet point
- Sub bullet point
  - sub-sub bullet point

You guess the idea, right? How about it? F e tofs 13:03, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star, I don't know if you've read the comments regarding indentation in this section or just plain ignored them, but I would like to politely ask you again to to please change your style of posting with regards to bulleting.

It makes things absurdly hard to read if the indentation isn't consistent.

You wouldn't want to scan this all day, right?

We would really appreciate it if you bulleted in a manner that is readable. Thanks! Isopropyl 19:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: I don't understand whats wrong with the current format i'm using. I mean, you can clearly see my name, then my message. Plus, i end it with my signature. I mean, whats up? If this will get me in trouble then i suppose i'm forced to stop! Is it?

Wiki-star 19:34, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Take a deep breath. This is not an inquisition. I suggest that you reread all of the comments made by other users in this thread if you still do not understand why some find your bulleting method of posting to be hard to read, and for heaven's sakes, calm down. It might be easier to digest the information if you do not instantly assume that you're in trouble for anything. Isopropyl 19:41, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: (And he breeeaaaattthhees IN, then he goes Haaaaaaaaa....) Allright! Thanks i'll try my best.

Wiki-star 19:43, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Joy of Tournaments

Hi Wiki-star. I understand that the Joy of Tournaments software is, itself, used to advertise tournaments. That's not the problem. A Misplaced Pages article is supposed to be neutral, not positive, towards its subject. By putting a lot of screenshots into the page, and telling people how they should use the software, it seems like an advertisement. Phrases like "tremendous amount" and "extremely easy" also seem like advertising.

A Misplaced Pages article that depends entirely on the promotional material of its subject is not very good. I don't know anything about the world of high school debate, but a quick Google turned up someone saying "Joy of Tournaments needs to be taken out and shot." So apparently there are reasons why people don't like it. A well-balanced article should include negatives as well as positives about its subject, with references to support both sides.

Have you looked at Misplaced Pages:Your first article? Whether or not this actually is your first article, I think you'll find some helpful information there. FreplySpang (talk) 05:29, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: I understand what you're saying, but you wouldn't insert that cleanup box in front of the article, unless something is drastically wrong with it. Ok, let me tell you my side of the article.

Firstly, most of the readers who are reading the Joy Of Tournaments artilce of familiar with the National Forensic League. As a result, they would like to know what and how it runs. Since wikipedia is an encyclopedia, why by definition means: A work that contains information on all branches of knowledge or treats comprehensively a particular branch of knowledge. Because wikipedia is an encyclopedia, i as it's user, should include every information about the Joy Of Tournaments. And from what i have been reading, thats exactly what i've been doing.

So, what i would like to know, is what is the huge problem the article has?

Wiki-star 05:44, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

- The problem is that you are only including one kind of information about Joy of Tournaments - the positive or promotional information. Misplaced Pages articles must present information neutrally. Also, an encyclopedia does not present every detail about its subjects. It is a general reference work that provides summary information, as well as suggestions of places to go for more detailed information. FreplySpang (talk) 06:24, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: As explained within the article's Talk Page, the article is not complete. Therefore, any judgement must be delayed towards it's completion. Thank you!

Wiki-star 06:28, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

NFL Confusion

Hi Wiki-Star,

My apolgies if I came off the wrong way; I certainly don't want to offend anyone new to wikipedia.

My comment was that making every word into a link can be confusing if the link targets aren't relevant (imagine, for instance, if every word on wikipedia were linked to an article). Your edit made the words "large", "events", "annually", and a bunch of others into links. They help people who really want to learn about the term "large" or "events", but my guess is that most people will assume that a link points to an NFL-specific page (for instance, a page on NFL events), and will be confused or irritated when it isn't.

My apologies if you were offended.

Welcome to Misplaced Pages!

Joe jdb ❋ (talk) 05:33, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Thats ok! It's not biggy. You have to make sure that whatever you're editing isn't drastic. You should enhance the article with an edit, not degrade it. Which was kinda what you did. Some words that were linked should've stayed linked because it was a "big" word, and many readers could just click on it and find it's meaning towards the article. But it's allright, as long as you're aware of it.

I don't think that you fully understand the above comment. Misplaced Pages is not a dictionary; for a project that is, see Wiktionary. Also, this philandering with backhanded insults, such as the insinuation that the above user has degraded the encyclopedia, has to stop. Your post above makes it sound like the user has done some kind of wrong, when in reality he is simply suggesting that you change something which others may find irritating. Please remember to be civil, and to not simply bury incivilities in mountains of weasel words. Isopropyl 19:37, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

JoT

Wiki-star: I really appreciate you enhancing the Joy Of Tournaments Article by fixing some gramatical errors, and removing some overlinks. However, many of the words you removed from wikilinks were irrelivant. Some words that were linked must stay linked! Not everyone is as smart as you or me my friend. If you find this a problem, then we can discuss it right here. Or, if the discussion page is created within the Article, we can take it there. Otherwise, i need you to consult me first before you eliminate valubale words from wikilinks. Thank you for you're thought though. Thats a really nice thing of you! Thanks! Wiki-star 05:04, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

W.S., if you want to relink some of the terms, fine. I'm not going to get all worked up about as you seem to have judging by the bold type in your message. If I have a problem with it, I will take it to the talk page but as it is, I don't think it needs to come to that just yet. What I'm more concerned about is the statement of yours, "I need you to consult me first". The purpose of a wiki is to avoid this. If each editor had to track down the original writer of the article for each change to the article or ask permission from the community on the talk page to make a change to the article, nothing would ever get done. It's just not the wiki way. You don't own that article or any article here any more or less than I do. Dismas| 05:59, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Uhhh.. yeah you do have a point there. I apologize for the bossy talk. But in any case you should respect the author's effort of the article. And in that case, report to the talk page and post the conflict you have with the article. As long as we do that, then the article will remain neutral. Thanks again!

Wiki-star 06:15, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

"...report to the talk page and post the conflict you have with the article"? I already explained my changes in the edit summaries. I said that I was removing some overwikification, therefore I must have thought there were too many terms that were linked. Dismas| 07:36, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Exactly! You thought, but you didn't know. The knowledge is the #1 thing that keeps this site running, and attracting readers. If you don't know what exactly you're going to eliminate from overlinking, then you're making a mistake. What you did was delete 95% of all the words that were overlinked. 80% of them didn't need to be eliminated, because they are words that can and should be linked. Look, i really don't enjoy arguing much.

Just make sure you know what you're doing, before you do it. No matter how old or how new the article seems, you must think things through. I'm not the perfect wikipedian (yet), but i sure as hell try and strive for it. Take care man.

Thanks! Wiki-star 16:23, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

I'm not trying to argue with you. You made comments that I responded to. I'm not in the least bit angry or irked. And in response to your comments... I did think things through. I'm was not acting impulsively. Since you felt that what I did was a "mistake" you took the appropriate action by changing parts back and explaining your reasoning to me. I applaud your efforts to become the perfect Wikipedian, if it's possible for anyone to become the perfect anything, then that is what I wish for many. Dismas| 21:47, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

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Wiki-star: Oh i'm sorry, please excuse me. I just normally upload an image, then specify it's license. If it's the image source that you nee, then i can immediatley link it's website. Otherwise, i'm still learning about the Upload features. Thanks for keeping me in touch! I appreciate that!

Wiki-star 06:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Please also say from what program the screenshot is from in summary. Thanks feydey 07:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

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Templates

Just a quick note to let you know that I responded to your question on the help desk about templates, in case you hadn't checked back yet. Dismas| 21:07, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Wiki-star: Yeah i read it allright, Thanks alot! That cleared up alot of confusion. I appreciate the time and effort!

Wiki-star 03:11, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

You're welcome Dismas|

Editing

Hey Wiki-Star, thought i would just give you a tumbs up for all of the neat contributions you've made to several DBZ character pages. I myself really like how you've re-organised them, it makes them eaiser to read and naviagte. Hope you contribute to other pages as well, good job and keep it up.

Brad92 14:48, 23 April 2006 (UTC)