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Moving of page

i suggest moving this page to "Chronicle of the Three Kingdoms".

Although a search through Google shows up 177, 441 and 215 results for "Chronicle of the Three Kingdoms", "Records of the Three States" and "Records of the Three Kingdoms" respectively, i still believe that "chronicle" is the appropriate terminology for a historical record such as this. Please advise.

--Plastictv 12:12, 14 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Having seen the disambiguation page for Chronicles of the Three Kingdoms, i retract my last suggestion. --Plastictv 06:18, 8 May 2005 (UTC)

Bao Xin

I added a {{fiction}} tag to Bao Xin because I wasn't sure if this was a fictional or historical figure. Perhaps someone who knows more about Sanguo Zhi could clear that up. --F a ng Aili 17:26, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Title Edit

Shouldn't the title have "the" before "Three Kingdoms?"

I guess it depends on whether 三国志 is being interpreted/translated as: 1) three kingdoms' records (records that were kept by three kingdoms); or 2) the three kingdoms' records (which is the time period covered, so I'd imagine this one would be more proper).

"Records of the Three Kingdoms" anyone?

DranKof 03:42, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

I have made a technical request to move, I don't think anyone will object "Records of the Three Kingdoms". Quite common over the rarely-used, if ever, "Records of Three Kingdoms". --Cold Season (talk) 03:44, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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English Translation

Does anybody know of an English translation of Records of the Three Kingdoms, either available for purchase or online? Or, if not, is there anybody willing to attempt a translation for Wikisource? That would make the Three Kingdoms project far more accessible to English-speaking editors such as myself, and may decrease the incorrect use of Romance of the Three Kingdoms as a source for historical information. Benjitheijneb (talk) 22:24, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

Not a translation of the Records of the Three Kingdoms, but the historian Rafe de Crespigny has put his translation of the End of Han portions of the Zizhi Tongjian (which took material from the Records) online here (part 1) and here (part 2). For coverage from 220 to 280, you should look at the translation of Zizhi Tongjian by Achilles Fang, but unfortunately that's not available online. _dk (talk) 01:06, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

I had heard of Zizhi Tongjian before, but never thought to look for a translation; thank you very much for the link, it should prove useful. Of course, it would probably be more useful to have a copy of the Records themselves than the Zizhi Tongjian (being the closest secondary source to the period), so I will keep looking for that. Benjitheijneb (talk) 17:57, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

Can 184 be the Beginning of the Records of the Three Kingdoms?

As we can see at korean wiki, japanese wiki and chinese wiki of record of 3k, the record of 3k was believed to begin AD 184.

However the record only contains Book of Wei (魏書), Book of Shu (蜀書), Book of Shu (蜀書), and we know that Wei started at AD 220, Shu and Wu started later. Then HOW could the record of 3k start at AD 184?

184 year was the year of Yellow Turban Rebellion, and chapter 1 of the ROMANCE of 3k states that At this time in the county of Julu was a certain Zhang family, of whom three brothers bore the name of Zhang Jue, Zhang Ba, and Zhang Lian. Let's find Zhang Jue, Zhang Ba and Zhang Lian at Records of the Three Kingdoms. I can not find that names of this wiki page.

Also I could NOT find He Jin, Liu Xie (later became Emperor Xian), Liu Bian (later became Prince of Hongnong), Liu Hong(later became Emperor Ling), and these people are the Prime minister and the emperors of the later Han. (Though I can find Dong Zhuo)

If Records of the Three Kingdoms can be said to begin in AD 184, then certainly it should have the records of these people.

Therefore I have some doubt about the statement that Records of the Three Kingdoms covers covering the years 184-280 CE. REMEMBER I did not read the Records of the Three Kingdoms. I only read wiki page of Records of the Three Kingdoms.

New world encyclopedia said that The Records of Three Kingdoms (三國志, 三国志, Sānguó Zhì), is the official and authoritative historical record for the period of Three Kingdoms (189-280 C.E.), originally composed in the third century by Chen Shou ( 陳壽).

http://history.cultural-china.com/en/174History2028.html said that The Records of Three Kingdoms (San Guo Zhi, 三国志), setting the Wei Kingdom of the Cao family as the legitimacy, is the official and authoritative historical text on the period of Three Kingdoms covering from 189 to 280 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gauge00 (talk • contribs) 12:15, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

The Chinese wikipedia states: "...就是從漢靈帝中平元年（184年），到晉武帝太康元年（280年）九十多年的歷史。" ("...jiùshì cóng hàn líng dì zhōng píng yuán nián (184 nián), dào jìn wǔ dì tài kāng yuán nián (280 nián )"), basically stating that the book starts with the first year of Emperor Ling of the Han dynasty(漢靈帝/hàn líng dì) in 184 to the first year of Emperor Wu of the Jin dynasty (晉武帝/jìn wǔ dì) in 280. The reference cited in the Chinese wikipedia indicates that in the Tang catalog, there are in fact 66 volumes of 三國志, covering the entirety of this period. siafu (talk) 14:27, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

My opinion is that 184 is incorrect, and that 189 is correct one. Though I never read it. So I have no knowdlege to determine which is correct one. I'd like to hear the opinions of those who have read the contents of the record of the three kingdoms. (Gauge00 (talk) 15:33, 22 June 2012 (UTC))

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