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You reverted my edits, and made the following comments on my talk page (prior to my registration):

"Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Misplaced Pages articles, as you did to Yitzhak Shamir. Doing so violates Misplaced Pages's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Jprg1966 (talk) 07:47, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

The supposed "support" I express for Shamir is your own imagination. The fact is that your additions to his page did not adhere to Misplaced Pages's NPOV policy and were reverted for that reason. As you can see, there was already a discussion on the talk page about this. You are free to have your own opinions, but this is an encyclopedia and operates by consensus. In the meantime, please don't accuse me of having biased editing. --Jprg1966 (talk) 07:57, 1 July 2012 (UTC)"

First of all, I was simply reverting the article back to it's original statement. I added no new material. I did not write the words you attribute to me, and I did NOT "add commentary or your personal analysis". If you look at the edit history, I merely put it back as it was before someone (very recently) edited it.

Secondly, I don't remember calling your edits biased or saying that you "support" anyone. Please refer me to any comment along those lines. I made no such claim. You did select a very recent edit, however, over my reversion to the original text. I would most certainly have to wonder how that can happen in a collaborative environment. This subject is still under discussion at this time. I would suggest in the future that you refrain from accusations unless and until you have proof. I believe you may have confused me with someone else. In any case, the article is still under review and is not the domain of any single person. We should at least agree upon that. Tjp1962 (talk) 08:49, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

:I am very confused. Are you the same editor as 98.194.39.86? --Jprg1966  20:02, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

I get it now.

First of all, you did not revert the article back to its original statement. This is the article as it existed before his death and the whole question of him being a terrorist was raised. As you can see, his membership in the Irgun was not even mentioned. Following his death, an edit war over what to call the Irgun ensued, beginning here.

When you began to change the lead, there was no consensus on the talk page. Your non-NPOV edits were therefore reverted by me.

Six minutes after I reverted you for the second time, you left this comment on the talk page: "There is no point in calling him a terrorist, although he indeed was one. No matter how much evidence there is, and how many times it is written - some supporter will come along and change it back. Outrageous." I believe that was and is an unwarranted attack on my decision to revert your edits as not NPOV. --Jprg1966  05:15, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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(good idea, I requested protection)

User:COIBot protected. Our friend switched to an IPv6 address. Seems to gotten bored. Cheers Jim1138 (talk) 05:47, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

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Consensus of WHO? Biracial and Mulatto are not African-American in the traditional sense much less in the battle for "people of color" to get rights in US society. How is mislabeling people on a wiki page a good idea?

Non-Partisan. Don't even VOTE, as I dislike politics, but I also dislike people mis-represting history and biographies of people.

Note I have not insulted you and am keeping it on the talk page.

Please explain why mis-labeling heritage is a good idea if one expects to have an accurate tome.

Thanks12.207.42.206 (talk) 07:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

It was a consensus decision of the Misplaced Pages community at large. Believe me, this issue has been raised innumerable times before (such as on all of these pages). Again, I refer you to the FAQ answer, some portions of which I have highlighted:

Obama himself and the media identify him, the vast majority of the time, as African American or black. African American is primarily defined as "citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black populations of Africa," a statement that accurately describes Obama and does not preclude or negate origins in the white populations of America as well. Thus we use the term African American in the introduction, and address the specifics of his parentage in the first headed section of the article. Many individuals who identify as black have varieties of ancestors from many countries who may identify with other racial or ethnic groups. See our article on race for more information on this concept. We could call him the first "biracial" candidate or the first "half black half white" candidate or the first candidate with a parent born in Africa, but Misplaced Pages is a tertiary source which reports what other reliable sources say, and most of those other sources say "first African American." Readers will learn more detail about his ethnic background in the article body.

Biracial and mulatto are not inaccurate terms to describe Obama, but they are not the most commonly used. I have not accused you of partisanship or being unfair, and you have not acted unreasonably. But you should realize that your opinion must be weighed in balance with the community as a whole, and it may not always align with yours. If you insist that another discussion be raised about the issue on the talk page, I cannot stop you, but I will advise you that other editors are probably unlikely to settle on a different consensus. --Jprg1966  15:07, 3 July 2012 (UTC)

GA review of James Randi

Hello, I am beginning a review of the article you nominated for good article status. The review page is here.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:44, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

I put the review on hold because I feel there are a lot of outstanding issues in need of resolving. My Internet is spotty right now so I will wait until tomorrow to point out all the issues.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 03:37, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Fair enough. Thanks for the heads-up. --Jprg1966  05:13, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The review has been updated with problems noted and suggestions made for addressing those problems.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 18:12, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your thoughtful review. I'll see what I can come up with. --Jprg1966  20:50, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

A Barnstar for YOU

		The Barnstar of Integrity
		For your upright acceptance of the decision by Admin in the edit warring page on Independence Day 2012 and for continuing your efforts to protect Misplaced Pages from vandals. Many should follow your example. DocTree (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. Sometimes everyone needs a little reality check. --Jprg1966  18:10, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Sgt. Pepper straw poll

There is currently a straw poll taking place here. Your input would be appreciated. ~ GabeMc 01:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

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This is Amanbir Singh. Do not interfere.

You do not own anything on this Misplaced Pages. Nobody does. --Jprg1966  06:21, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Malakwal

This page seems to be a mess due to vandalism and COI edits. I can't make heads or tails of it. -- A Certain White Cat 07:37, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Yuck! I didn't see just how bad it was on Huggle. This calls for some serious repair. Thanks for the heads-up. --Jprg1966  07:39, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I tried correcting it a little, needs more work perhaps. -- A Certain White Cat 07:45, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

so

im being threatened for saying "fuck your robots bro"? So ClueBot has feelings and thus it's a personal attack if I make that statement?

hold on.... you were saying i was attacking people with this edit http://en.wikipedia.org/Becoming_(Abigail_Williams_album)?diff=501522774 nevermind, that makes even less sense

Oh, did Huggle select the wrong edit entirely? My bad. --Jprg1966  07:46, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

message

PLEASE stop making edits to my revision on Medicina Mexico. I am in the process of writing a new one per the instructions of a steward. Thank you Samuel Samuelmeza08:11 10 July 2012 (UTC)

A moment of clarity for you

You are not permitted to post to my talkpage under any circumstances - given your paranoia and obsession with getting me into trouble.

Is that clear? Do not, ever, at all, in any shape, form, geometry, infiltration procedure, post to my talkpage again. If I have done something so egregious that I need talking to, someone else will do it.

Not you. Ever. As an editor or as an admin, you are permanently unwelcome at my talkpage. I will not be watching your page, and should you ever post to my talkpage again it will be construed as harassment and I will take it to ArbCom if necessary.

Never. Ever. Forever.

To eternity and beyond - when our atoms become the reminants of the destroyed solar system, to drift through the universe and from which anything can happen - be it that they form a new planetary nebula and solar systems with new life forms which devlop their own computer technologies and internets and wikipedias telling the same thing to simalar editors, or crushed and shredded by black-holes, whooshed through wormholes (should such cosmological topology exist in spacetime fabric), and collapsed into the big crunch or frozen solid in the "deep freeze" end to the universe.

Except that you will not edit my talk page. Not ever. For all time.

Understood? Sparkling clear as a wine glass? Actually - is diamond opaque in comparison to what I just said?

I trust we understand each other.

Goodbye. :-/ Hublolly (talk) 18:43, 10 July 2012 (UTC)