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Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks

I know discussing Native identity is not your cup of tea, but thanks for NPOV comments in the various discussions percolating about. I find it hilarious that people that have never contributed to a single indigenous article show up and regard themselves as experts, but hopefully this wave will blow over soon. Cheers, -00:54, 6 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Thanks, U, I do happen to have a little background on the topic in spite of personally being about as white as a Sons of Norway convention (can't even pull an Elizabeth Warren! LOL!), and generally trying to focus on the horse articles here on WP (less drama than the history and politics stuff I COULD involve myself in... ;-P ). And it has always amazed me how people who would never define themselves as having a racist bone in their body are nonetheless completely clueless on issues involving Native people here in America. Feel free to drop me a line any time you need an ear. Montanabw 16:46, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I lobbed in a $.02 as well, having run into some of this stuff during research on Army operations in Arizona (although with different tribal groups). There tends to be a pretty strong distinction between terms used by historians and those used by the athro/socio community, and often the latter community doesn't seem to bother to look at the origins of their terms. Intothatdarkness (talk) 16:51, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

And in both cases, they are both light years more aware than the person who is 1/32 something or another and wants to claim status as "a real Indian" (**facepalm**), forgetting that the real nations today may not have the least amount of interesting in claiming them. I once had a Native American studies prof (Full-blood himself) describe such folks as "culture vultures." (Same guy said it was sometimes OK to call Native people "Indians" if we didn't know tribal identity. He explained, "we're just so glad that Columbus wasn't looking for Turkey..."). Montanabw 17:13, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

Quite so...although I've known a couple of folks who claimed that status for the associated Federal financial aid (college stuff). It always reminds me of Firesign Theater for some reason...the cultural vulture idea anyhow. "No way, man. I just want to cut the soles out of my shoes, live in a tree, and learn to play the flute!" Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:48, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

(**Snorts coffee from nose**). Problem is, I think they need federal recognition to claim the college money too, but I suppose FAFSA doesn't look all that hard at the apps and maybe they've tightened it up since we were college students. If you like Firesign, you may also enjoy the Montana Logging and Ballet Co. (speaking of an article needing some work) Montanabw 21:26, 7 June 2012 (UTC)

I took one last stab with that twit, and I'm out. One of the few things that will really annoy me are people who mindlessly fling terms like "Science" and "Google Scholar search numbers" around without having the faintest demonstrated clue about either concept. Intothatdarkness (talk) 13:46, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, basically you get to the point where you are just feeding trolls. Or twits. It's why I posted handy links on my user page to the green cheese discussion and Misplaced Pages:How many legs does a horse have? Montanabw 16:01, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

And thanks for the reality check about feeding the trolls. I'll stop :) BTW I know two people who are only 1/256th blood quantum but are still enrolled and very active in their respective tribes. I don't care how thin someone's blood is — if they are active in their communities, make positive contributions, and are knowledgeable about their traditions, they are cool in my book. Cheerio, -Uyvsdi (talk) 20:23, 8 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

Quite. The ones who get my ire up are the ones who latch onto a "hip" identity for no other reason than some sort of perceived cultural cachet. It's contributions, knowledge, and a genuine desire to belong and make a difference that really matter. Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:47, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

Pretty much. If the nation claims them, fine with me. I remember a joke about this at a pow-wow I attended a few years back (pow-wow announcers are really a special type of comic; native humor at its finest) who was filling time with a tale about how old so and so was sure he was a real Indian because he was 1/3 blood quantum! Montanabw 17:59, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

UFF DA!PumpkinSky talk 20:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

What do you get if you put 64 Chickasaws in a room together? A fullblood! -Uyvsdi (talk) 22:42, 10 June 2012 (UTC)Uyvsdi

I will say that some nations have more restrictive rules for blood quanta than others. Now if you really want to have a field day, check out this guy (please, read that whole first page, but not while drinking, lest it come out your nose), and the humor surrounding him. He's a "full blooded human" Oh! And Indianz.com! ] 22:57, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Your edit to I'll Have Another

Your edit here removed the word "retired" and in your edit summary wrote "Tone down the POV and correct error". I think you would agree that good and helpful Wiki etiquette is to know facts before one 1) removes a factual and proper edit and 2) then declares for all to read that that editor doesn't know what they are talking about and inserts non-truths into articles. Thank you. Hialeah Harry (talk) 00:13, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Harry, the word "retired" wasn't needed in the lead (eventually ALL good racehorses are retired), and there was some material in there someone stuck in (sourced to a newspaper that apparently had the same error) about how no other horse had ever been scratched which wasn't accurate, there were also refs in there to "historic" and other flowery language that wasn't needed. So chill. Montanabw 17:48, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Utica

• New article on Utica, Montana you may want to look at. PumpkinSky talk 21:07, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Union Rags

The quote you removed was certainly in the source when I cited it, but it's definitely not there now. That's rolling news for you! I'm staying clear of the article for now. I got dragged into a pointless edit war and almost got myself blocked. That's why I'm posting here rather than the article talk page.  Tigerboy1966  20:43, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

My sympathies. Hang in there! Montanabw 20:49, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Morgan

OK, I've finally gotten around to doing some initial work on Morgan horse... I've tagged everything that still needs references - if it doesn't have a cn tag, just assume that the next reference covers everything preceding it. Note that I'm only about halfway through the sources that I'm eventually going to check, so I'll have more, but it's late, I'm tired, and I probably won't get back to it until at least tomorrow night. In the meantime, feel free to add, move, tweak, whatever - maybe you can find sources for the Comanche horse thing, which was the only thing that I actually looked for sources on and couldn't find any. The rest of the fact tags I just didn't get to. Anyway, more tomorrow, hopefully. Dana boomer (talk) 02:29, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

And, just look at all the pretty pictures (on Commons)!!!! I love it when we have to decide which nice shot not to put in the article, rather than which shot is just decent enough to go in. Dana boomer (talk) 02:36, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Ah...Comanche. There's no reputable documentation that I'm aware of indicating that Comanche has Morgan blood. Keogh purchased him while on a remount detail, so he was part of a pool of horses being inspected for the Seventh Cavalry in the Oklahoma/Indian Territory region. I'm surprised someone hasn't done DNA testing on the poor guy's hide, since it's preserved at the University of Kansas (as I recall). What's known is coloration (described in older stuff as "claybank"), that he was 15 hands high, and weighed about 950 pounds (don't have the book in front of me, so I'm not sure that's the exact weight, but the height is correct). I used to work for a group in Kansas dealing with cavalry history and had to fend off constant claims that the Morgan was the backbone of not only the Remount Service but all historic cavalry regiments. The interesting part is that the Remount Service did evaluate Morgans (along with other breeds), but determined that the Morgan would be better suited for field artillery service. Intothatdarkness (talk) 13:53, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I need to do an article here on W.R. Brown one of these days. He spent much of his life in the early 1900s doing tests to "prove" that Arabians would be better cavalry horses than Morgans due to their endurance. Of course, the cavalry was becoming a thing of the past at the time... A "claybank" was usually a word for dun, usually a red dun -- Comanche looks pretty dark, (I always thought he looked bay in those old photos) so more likely a bay dun or a grullo. As for DNA, that's an interesting thing when you are trying to determine breed stuff; MANY interesting and unexpected things can pop up!Montanabw 17:54, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

When the Quartermaster Corps and Remount Service did their tests, Arabians did well in every area but carrying capacity (a fairly important consideration for a cavalry mount). Thoroughbreds ended up dominating the stallion pool by a very wide margin. Of course, none of that is especially relevant to the period when Comanche would have been purchased. Back then it was mostly "American" or "California" horses, at least in Army-speak. Intothatdarkness (talk) 18:09, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Yup, size and weight correlates directly to carrying capacity; Arabs do well for their size, but 25-30% is a pretty absolute barrier, less of a problem when people and equipment was lighter. Comanche's body type shows strong Iberian horse influence. Compare to the Pryor Mountain Mustang or the Kiger Mustang. Montanabw 18:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Not sure if you'd seen these or not. Some nice images of the restored Comanche. http://naturalhistory.ku.edu/galleries/comanche-restoration-project. Intothatdarkness (talk) 19:25, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

No, hadn't. Interesting. Stuffed horses always look a little creepy to me, but yep, he's a "bay dun". Wonder if they have his conformation preserved properly, if so, he's out behind, goose-rumped and ewe-necked. Looked better in the photos. Montanabw 19:31, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I think they came reasonably close, especially when using this picture for comparison. And, of course the Comanche article also claims Morgan blood. Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Any clue who started the thing that Comanche was part Morgan? I'm beginning to think that we need to address it in the article, either way, as it's such a prevalent thing. Montanabw 20:28, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing the Morgan folks came up with it more or less on their own. I don't recall seeing it prior to 1980 or so, but that's just me going off memory. Most older sources I've seen (Leslie Reedstrom's great book on the 7th springs to mind) make no claims as to his breed. Most sources outside of the Morgan community refer to him as "uncertain" or "mixed" breed. This claims 3/4 "American" and 1/4 "Spanish" blood, but has no sources. Given the location of Comanche's purchase, I'd be more inclined to believe that mix (which probably comes out to mustang, really). The Smithsonian here just says "mustang lineage." Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:39, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Can you take your sources and come up with some sort of blurb to pop onto the talk page of the Morgan article stating something to the effect of "While Morgan afiionados claim Comanche (horse) had Morgan ancestry, there is no verifiable evidence of this in US Cavalry records on the horse." ? Montanabw 20:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll take a stab at it. ETA Done.Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:45, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Uwe Schulten-Baumer

(Moved discussion to article talk page) Montanabw 22:26, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Shetland.

I'm not kidding you. Also American Saddlebred, Standardbred, Percheron, and I've caught wiffs of Welsh... I'd have to get back digging in my files, but just about anything that could be in there is in there.. a lot of it "hidden" - they'd register a horse with a breeding like "Amy b.m. foaled 1943. Sire: Blackie by Jubilee King Dam: mare by colt by Raseyn. They'd just ... leave off the fact that they knew that Jubilee King was a Morgan and that Raseyn was an Arabian (grins). Especially prevelant in the registrations past about 10,000 or so... I once read each AQHA stud book entry through 60,000 looking for those sorts of oddities. Somewhere I have the list of "oddities" I made from that reading... as another aside, did you know that up until the 1960s or so, there were still Thoroughbreds that could trace their pedigrees to Peter McCue's breeding career as a Thoroughbred stallion? Ealdgyth - Talk 21:30, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Love it! "Kitchen sink" approach. Says much about the opposite of the "purebred since Adam and Eve" angle (see my new sandbox, above). And doesn't the UK Jockey Club have "issue" with the possible non-TBs in the American Jockey Club books? Montanabw 21:48, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

By this point, the non-TBs are so far back that it's pretty much a moot point. So much English blood has flooded in that many of the old American TB lines are very thin on the ground. Lexington's male line died out in the first half of the 20th century sometime... and most American TBs don't have that much of the "suspect" blood anymore. It's so far back that the GSB has quit whining ... Ealdgyth - Talk 21:52, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

And it's an ongoing question if any of the "purity" stuff matters. Were there a couple TBs in South American Arabian lines? Isn't the Shagya actually better documented and more "purebred" by percentage than the American Arab? AND (my favorite) Ever hear the rumor that a few Waler horses wound up in Egyptian Arab bloodlines following world war I or II (heard both rumors)? Montanabw 22:02, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Then we have the great "Doc Bar was sired by an Arabian" rumor or my favorite ... "King P-234 was a quarter Saddlebred" ... there are ALWAYS rumors... usually about whoever's "popular" at the time... Ealdgyth - Talk 22:05, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

This reminds me of a book I once read (I think it was this one), by someone who researched their family tree to the year dot ... only to discover that one of their ancestors was allegedly a sea (or lake?) monster which had seduced some female or other. Hmmmm. One has to wonder what the actual story was behind that one! Pesky (talk) 22:11, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Too many beers? :-D Montanabw 22:13, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

... or an ancestress who fell foul of the "You can't get pregnant standing up" myth ;P Pesky (talk) 22:16, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

AWESOME First People's Buffalo Jump photos

Those are awesome photos!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations! YAY!!!! Whoo hoo!!!!!!!!!!!! I swear, I was intending to fly back home to Great Falls in August and take some dang photos myself. But you got there first. Terrific!!!!!!!!!!!!! - Tim1965 (talk) 22:43, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Not bad for the cell phone camera, eh? Was sort of a spontaneous decision while on the road out of the electric city. Remembered we needed them.  ;-) Montanabw 22:54, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Hotel Baxter

I've started a draft on this Bozeman landmark at User:PumpkinSky/Hotel Baxter. Feel free to edit directly. I'll move it to main space when it's ready.PumpkinSky talk 01:55, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Moved to main space and nom'd at DYK. Gave you credit too. PumpkinSky talk 00:48, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

It's live..

Remount Service is now live. Still needs some work, but it might help you with red links. Intothatdarkness (talk) 15:19, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Konik genetics

Actually, there is no genetic evidence for the Konik being drastically genetically different from other horse breeds, at least not in recent genetic studies. For example, have a look at Jansen 2002, in which the konik clusters with mongolian horses (domestic ones) and thoroughbreds. That the last Tarpans, whatever the Tarpan was, were incorporated into the livestock of the polish farmers, that's a fact. Vetulani started with domestic horses from that region because there is the high probability that they contained Tarpan blood. He started selective breeding with them, and the result is what is now the breed that is called Konik. "Konik" was used for other small land horses in Poland as well, but we are talking about the Vetulani breed here. That's exactly what the sources say and it is the common conception. Maybe that should be clarified in the text. -- DFoidl (talk) 17:20, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

The point is, the "Tarpan" is extinct. The people doing the "breeding back" thing and calling them "Tarpans" are not making an accurate statement. And if the Konik is not drastically different from other horse breeds in its DNA, than that suggests it doesn't have any Tarpan blood to speak of. The last Tarpans may have been turned loose with domestic horse herds, I have no beef with that claim if sourced, similarly, there are some who claim modern humans might have a trace of Neandrathal ancestry too; who knows? I'm OK with anyone who wants to improve the Konik article if you want to, basically my axe to grind is the false claims that the "Tarpan" has been recreated. The horse breed articles, in general, are often plagued with romantic myths that breed X or Y or Z is the true "pure" real horse, blah, blah, blah.  :-P Montanabw 17:29, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I am really surprised that we actually seem to perfectly agree, since your edits in the article seem to contradict what you just stated here. The previous conception of the article inferred that the Koniks are descendants of genuine wild horses, what is definitely wrong. If they go back to wild horses (it isn't even known if the historical animal called "tarpan" was wild or just feral), they were largely mixed with domestic horses and underwent human artificial selection. Therefore, the konik is a domestic horse breed, and that's exactly what I tried to infer with my changes. I also strongly dislike the romantic nonsense that breed x, y or z is a "living relict" or breeding back jokes like heck cattle. The Tarpan is extinct, that's a fact. There seem to be no pre domestic horses of european origin left in europe. Therefore, I try to replace these myths with scientific information on each occasion on Misplaced Pages. -- DFoidl (talk) 17:46, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I was kind of seeing the "Koniks are real Tarpans" thing in the way your edits were originally phrased. I also put a merge tag on dedomestication to join up with feral. It appears that equus ferus ferus -- the true Tarpan, a distinct subspecies -- was indeed a "wild" horse in the sense of never able to be domesticated. Maybe see what we have at Wild horse, History of horse domestication theories and Domestication of the horse all of which were worked on quite a bit to get things up to date, even if they could still use a bit of polish. The confusion occurs when people call primitive-looking horses with pangare or primitive markings "tarpans" even though they are not. (And why they'd want to claim this when disposition matters a lot in a domestic horse is beyond me; zebras and Przewalskis can be MEAN little boogers!) There is also a big political thing for primitive claims with the Mustang horse and the Brumby over whether they are native or introduced species on their respective continents, and thus to be preserved or eradicated as vermin. The Mustang article in particular gets hit a lot because there is a faction who wants to believe that modern Mustangs directly descend from the primitive North American horse when they clearly do not. (Though I would grant that equus was native to the Americas as far as ecological impact, just not the modern subspecies) Montanabw 17:56, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

I perfectly agree with you. If you saw the "Koniks are real Tarpans" thing in my edits, it was clearly a misunderstanding. I think that happened because I wanted to show that the konik is no real tarpan in a sense that if it descended from the alleged last Tarpans, they have been mixed with domestic horses; while you wanted to show that if the domestic horses the konik was bred from contained Tarpan blood, there should be genetic evidence for it otherwise it is a myth or theory. Therefore, you see, we actually perfectly agreed but misunderstood each others. Anyway, good to see that we agree! I'll try to edit the article with clear phrasing and leaving no room for any myths. The mustang thing is weird indeed. Somehow, each robust breed has its myth spread by their fanciers, f.e. look at the whole heck cattle nonsense. Regards, -- DFoidl (talk) 18:10, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Indeed! And on that note, consider this an invite to contribute to my humor sandbox! Montanabw 18:14, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

RFC for AFT5

Just wanted to let you know about this. If you have a moment, your creativity would be appreciated. You may even win a T-shirt! :D Jesse V. (talk) 20:54, 19 June 2012 (UTC)

Animal husbandry

Much better. Thanks.

Impressive efforts deserve a barnstar

		The Editor's Barnstar
		In appreciation of the great deal of time and effort you spent helping PumpkinSky edit, tweak, rewrite, and improve Yogo sapphire all the way to FA status, it is my pleasure to award you this barnstar for a job well done. :D Jesse V. (talk) 06:18, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar

For your outstanding support and dedication in getting Yogo sapphire from a new article to DYK to GA to FA and FOUR. You deserve each of those awards just as much as I do. The team effort of the uncountable people involved in getting this unique article to FA is a textbook case of teamwork in article improvement, ie, what Misplaced Pages should be, not what it all too often is. I can never thank everyone enough. PumpkinSky talk 23:03, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

About the fake message banner

Montanabw, I'm so sorry to have to tell you this, but I think it's the right thing to do. There was a RFC in February and the community decided to do away with fake message banners. See WP:SMI and Misplaced Pages:SMI#cite_note-2. I guess they can't take a practical joke, which is a real shame because everyone's way too serious here anyway IMHO. In summary, I think the fake message banner may have to go, but maybe you can skirt the issue by renaming the text or changing the color. Mine's commented out until I figure out how to change the color. User:Brightgalrs has the same problem since there's a fake message banner there too. Apparently User:Maryana (WMF) enjoyed my banner. Oh well, it was tremendously fun while it lasted. Jesse V. (talk) 07:37, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

If it's on your talk page I think it's no big deal, anywhere else would not be appropriate. This is definitely a case of people being too serious for the wrong reason. PumpkinSky talk 10:12, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

But...but...but...this is all terribly serious and highly important. My goodness! Who would think otherwise? <grins>. Intothatdarkness (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Heh, heh, heh. If I get wind of a mass movement, I'll resurrect it! In the meantime, I want to keep my wikistress thermometer green! LOL! Montanabw 16:41, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Mass movement? That sounds...bad somehow. Like you need to add "facilities" to your talk page. Or issue a stampede warning. Not sure which. Intothatdarkness (talk) 16:42, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

LOL! Just for that, you can join me in watchlisting manure, a regular vandal target! Montanabw 16:48, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow. I'm watching cake. On numerous occasions IPs have replace the entire thing with content like "OMG THE CAKE IS A LIE!!!!" So now it's semi-protected. Jesse V. (talk) 17:25, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

You know, an animated stampede might be a fun wikipedia banner...B'rer Rabbit, you watchlisting my page yet? Montanabw 18:45, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Hotel Baxter

On 26 June 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article Hotel Baxter, which you created or substantially expanded. The fact was ... that a flashing blue light, used to alert local skiers that fresh powder snow is falling at the Bridger Bowl Ski Area, sits atop the Hotel Baxter (pictured) in Bozeman, Montana? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Hotel Baxter. You are welcome to check how many hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, quick check) and it will be added to DYKSTATS if it got over 5,000. If you know of another interesting fact from a recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 26 June 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Yogo sapphire

This is a note to let the main editors of Yogo sapphire know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on June 30, 2012. You can view the TFA blurb at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/June 30, 2012. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegate Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you might change it—following the instructions at Misplaced Pages:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Yogo sapphires are a variety of corundum found only in Yogo Gulch, Montana, part of the Little Belt Mountains in Judith Basin County, on land once inhabited by the Piegan Blackfeet people. Yogos are typically cornflower blue in color, a result of trace amounts of iron and titanium. Many gemologists consider them among the finest sapphires in the world. They have high uniform clarity and maintain their brilliance under artificial light. Because Yogo sapphires occur within a vertically dipping resistive igneous dike, mining efforts have been sporadic and rarely profitable. It is estimated that at least 28,000,000 carats (5,600 kg) of Yogos are still in the ground. The Smithsonian Institution first reported on Yogos in the museum's annual report on June 30, 1899. Jewelry containing Yogos was given to First Ladies Florence Harding and Bess Truman; in addition, many gems were sold in Europe. Today, several Yogo sapphires are part of the Smithsonian Institution's gem collection. In 1969, the sapphire was co-designated along with the agate as Montana's state gemstones. (more...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Just precious, you made it possible ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:05, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

DYK for U.S. Army Remount Service

On 29 June 2012, Did you know? was updated with a fact from the article U.S. Army Remount Service, which you recently nominated. The fact was ... that as late as 1945, between 450 and 500 stallions owned by the U.S. Army Remount Service bred with over 11,000 civilian-owned mares, producing 7,293 foals? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/U.S. Army Remount Service. If you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please suggest it on the Did you know? talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:03, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Another for your trophy list... :-) Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:23, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Actually, it's all yours, I don't claim the ones where I'm just the nom, even if I made a couple of tweaks. Montanabw 20:30, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I'm still working on getting a list of breeds used. I did get two pages from a Remount magazine listing stallions, but there's nothing to indicate breeds. Intothatdarkness (talk) 20:52, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I wonder if the dispersal sale records from the late 40s will help: Note Witez II. Had to have been a catalogue Montanabw 21:09, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

It could be, but mainly for the later period. What I'm after is something from the "main" period of the service (the 1920s and 1930s), and I know it's out there. Sales records would be good, but you'd have to go through two different routes for them (Ag and Quartermaster Corps just to be thorough). There was also a magazine (The Remount) that dealt exclusively with the Remount Service (if memory serves it was directed at the Remount Association). That's where the pages I have came from. Intothatdarkness (talk) 21:13, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Any of this buried at the National archives web site or us.mil? Montanabw 21:37, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Not that I've found, but I haven't looked for a couple of years. Quite a bit of what NARA puts online is related to genealogy, and us.mil can be kind of a catch-all. I've done some poking through their stuff, but haven't found anything specific to this. May look again at some point if my current request goes nowhere. Intothatdarkness (talk) 21:47, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

See article talk, wondering if the sources I listed there have anything to add or pass WP:RS. Montanabw 22:10, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

I have some copies of the various Remount magazines and the stud lists for the time period - I was eventually going to write a "real" article on the Remount (not for Misplaced Pages). I'd have to dig for them... Ealdgyth - Talk 00:36, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Anything that you can throw at us for the remount article or for the Morgan horse article (Morgan people seem quite hung up on the godlike qualities of the Morgan as a military mount; and wasn't it WR Brown who challenged all of that with his Arabians, anyway?) Anything that doesn't take away from your RL work would be very much welcomed!

Ex parte Crow Dog and barnstar

		The Law Barnstar
		For significant improvement to Ex parte Crow Dog. GregJackP Boomer! 15:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your edit to Ex parte Crow Dog - your edit significantly improved the prose and flow of the article. I'll also look at the refs to clear up the {{cn}} template. Do you think you might be able to look at Menominee Tribe v. United States? It is a FAC, with the review here. If you could comment on the review, I would make the corrections needed, and I would really appreciate the help. GregJackP Boomer! 15:39, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

July 2012

Please do not add or change content without verifying it by citing reliable sources, as you did to Bit (horse). Please review the guidelines at Misplaced Pages:Citing sources and take this opportunity to add references to the article. Thank you. You have repeated blind reverted to reinstate content which has been tagged since Feb 2011. This is edit warring in violation of WP:V, one of our core policies. I advise you to seek sourcing and desist from this edit warring to include challenged, unsourced content. KillerChihuahua 22:24, 10 July 2012 (UTC)