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The llama of drama is all tired out, time to give it a rest.

Mrt3366

Hi Mark, the user Mrt3366 has started an edit war in Kashmir Conflict and inspite of repeated requests and warnings, continues to push pov, undo edits and remove content. has edited the page dozens of times in the last couple days and has blatantly ignored warnings. Would appreciate.98.225.186.174 (talk) 03:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd like to help, but this is a controversial subject and I'm not sure I want to get involved. I recommend you ask Magog the Ogre; he has a lot of experience dealing with problematic behavior in the Indian/Pakistani conflict. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Angels

Hi Mark, i've received yr message to put a citation for my edit. I have put the ISBN number for the book, publisher link and name and details in but my edits to Angel Ariel and Angel Raphael were still removed. May I ask is it an offence for novelists to contribute to wikipedia by providing information about the characters in their novel? I'm Sibel Astarte who u messaged 30minutes ago. I've tried putting reliable citation to my edits according to your instructions but not sure why my edits were removed again....thanksSibel astarte (talk) 17:25, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Sibel, sorry if we weren't clear with you. Generally, you should include a citation to a third-party source when adding information to articles, see WP:IRS for details. Also, writers are discouraged from adding information about their own books, see WP:COI. Your best bet is to edit the talk page of the article you wish to add information to first and explain what you want to add, hopefully others will show up there to discuss the issue with you. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok thanks. Cos I thought people who wiki about the individual angels may also be looking for literature which featured them and the novel does have "non fiction" information about the bible and the individual angels (as according to popular religious beliefs). thanks for the clarification Mark. I hope when the novel do get more popular in future, someone will put it in wikipedia for me instead :)27.104.174.130 (talk) 17:47, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, I hope so. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:48, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

	The Admin's Barnstar
	Thanks for your help over at László Csizsik-Csatáry with your semi-protection and RevDeletes. I'm also honored to give your first Administrator barnstar. Keep up the good work! -- Luke (Talk) 02:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, I'm glad to help, and to get my first admin barnstar :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Not to mention your first death threat and nazi accusation as an admin. Big night; if you're accused of being a nazi and a communist in one day there's an award. Acroterion (talk) 03:25, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

lol, very true, thanks :) Mark Arsten (talk) 03:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Brain

Can you restore the move-protection (sysop) to the article Brain? Thank you. Tbhotch. Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions. 03:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Done. Did I accidentally remove that the other day? I'm new at this stuff. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Gabrielle Douglas

Hi Mark. Can you please consider protecting Gabrielle Douglas. Now that Douglas has become the Olympic champion, there have been ongoing disruptive edits in the article. Many have been to change her nickname (in the lead and infobox) from the Flying Squirrel (which is fully sourced) to Flying Princess. It may be the same user using multiple accounts that keeps making this false change solely to be disruptive. There have also been a number of racist edits; some changing it to Flying Monkey, others with derogatory words about her race in the general content. Thanks! --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:23, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done, glad to help. In the future, posting on WP:RFPP might be a better idea, since I sometimes walk away from the computer for a while. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:26, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow, you're fast Mark. Haha. In fact, you got there so quickly I was unable to correct another disruptive edit to the nickname. Can you just change "Flying Squirrel" back to "Flying Squirrel" (bolded) in the lead? Thanks a lot. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 04:31, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

lol, that is funny, ok, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:33, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Another editor got in there and made lots of changes, including moving that entire nickname sentence out of the lead. I give up with that article. Haha. I tried my best. Thanks again, Mark. :) --76.189.114.163 (talk) 05:02, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Bianca Jade Wiki Page Deletion

Please help me understand why Bianca Jade is not a person of notability. She has devoted her life to helping women realize the importance of fitness and teaching them how to enjoy it in new and modern ways. I looked at all the comments by the editors who think she is 1) a trainer 2) not brought up on search results by Google 3) not mentioned by honorable publications or featured on news shows. All of this is wrong. Perhaps it's because I posted most of the links. Is that so wrong? This is not about press. This is about making resources available, and the fact that Bianca Jade of MizzFIT.com is listed on Misplaced Pages helps women get healthy, helps people learn about this health revolution that she and many other women like her are furthering. It's not about press it's about health, fitness, and living a happy life. I beg of you to please reconsider. I am sorry that I do not know much about Misplaced Pages but I have learned much contributing to this page, and continue to learn. Please do not penalize this page just because I am the one posting what I find about Bianca Jade. That is not fair and if you like, to preserve her page here on Wiki, I will never add to her page again. If that is what it takes, then so be it.

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanaScala (talk • contribs) 04:37, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry that you're upset by this, I realize a lot of editors feel badly when an article that they care about is deleted. My role in closing the deletion discussion as an administrator is not to judge whether the subject of the article is worthy of a Misplaced Pages page, but to judge the consensus among the participants in the discussion. Five of the six participants felt strongly that she did not meet our notability guideliness, so I see that as a strong consensus. For what it's worth, Ms. Jade seems like a great person, and I hope she's successful in her mission. It's possible that she will receive more coverage, at which point her page can be restored. Also, if you feel I have erred in my close of the discussion, you can open a review of the deletion at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:46, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Mark, More coverage? While you were deleting her article, Mark, I was posting this: http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/07/19/more-latinas-leveraging-digital-media-for-entrepreneurial-success/?vgnextrefres

And this: http://mizzfit.com/images/uploads/People-Style-Watch-Bianca-Jade-MizzFIT-press2012.jpg

One is link from fox news!!! The other is a evidence that she is currently quoted in PEOPLE MAGAZINE's People Style Watch which is sold in every drugstore in the country! I even noticed that you are working on Gabby Douglas's wiki page. Well Bianca Jade recently tweeted that she will be interviewing both Olympians Gabby Doublas and Dara Torres on her website. Not many journalists that aren't notable have that kind of access, do they? I hate to make this personal, but in light of the Olympics, please reconsider the deletion. Bianca Jade helps connect women with other inspirational women, to help them change their lives and get healthy. She's not an actress, she's not someone looking for fame, she seriously has commited to her life to fitness and making it a serious issue in women's lives. I can't stress this enough and I really beg of you to help keep her page up. Since I am basically a dummy when it comes to wikipedia, may I ask that you help me or guide me in the steps for opening a review of the deletion? This is a really important issue and it would be unfortunate in light of the Olympics that this page would be taken down. For god sakes, the first black female won best gymnast tonight. Why are you going to take down the page of the woman who is going to interview her? That just seems wrong to me. And I'd like to do something about it. Please help. I dont want to bother you endlessly about this but just because 5 people didn't like Bianca Jade's page and didn't even bother to google her is ridiculous. I wish you had waited a day before deleting the article because I was just adding the links above which I consider to be very relevant. I appreciate your response and help with this. I really do. THANK YOU.

--ShanaScala (talk) 05:04, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Mark,

I followed your suggestion and opened a review of the deletion. Thank you for your help and consideration on this matter. It means a lot to me and I hope you might realize it's importance. It is NOT a press page. Thank you.

--ShanaScala (talk) 05:28, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Bianca Jade

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Bianca Jade. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. ShanaScala (talk) 05:21, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll try to stop by there soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:18, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

THANK YOU, MARK!!! (from the real Bianca Jade and thank you for saying I sound like a nice person). Disappointed to hear my page was taken down considering all the money I have donated to Misplaced Pages over the years to help support the community. Even more discouraged to hear what editors had to say about me. I believe in Misplaced Pages and want to see the community thrive. I'd like to see more reciprocal support and see Misplaced Pages embrace the growing fitness community and firestarters within it! THANK YOU AGAIN! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.14.74.139 (talk) 16:17, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, I watched some of your videos on YouTube last night, you're a very gifted woman. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:57, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark, what came of this. Curious. Is there any way to get it back up? Advice? --Bianca Jade — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.108.7.235 (talk) 16:46, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, it doesn't look like there's any way to get the article restored at this point since the deletion review was just closed with an endorsement of the deletion. The way to get Bianca Jade restored at this point would be to wait a little while, probably six months minimum, then register an account and create a user sandbox draft of what you would like the article to be. Then go back to deletion review and propose to have your sandbox draft moved to Bianca Jade. They will probably only agree to move it there if there is more evidence of media coverage than the version that was deleted, though. Sorry if this is confusing, Misplaced Pages's rules can be somewhat labyrinthine at times! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:25, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/List of UK Singles Chart Christmas number twos

Uhhh what? Why was this closed two days early as 'no consensus'? The article should have been relisted to produce a clearer consensus. Now an important discussion over a questionable article has gone to waste, thanks. Till I Go Home 06:56, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the discussion had been open for 12 days and had 12 people !vote on it, that's a lot more than most deletion discussions. It was a pretty even split, so I doubt a clear consensus would have emerged any time soon, note the third paragraph of WP:RELIST. Since it was a "no consensus" close, you can feel free to renominate fairly soon. Or even go to WP:DRV with it, if you think it was closed in error. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for replying. Sorry for my snappy-ness. Till I Go Home 07:12, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, I understand the irritation. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Content ideas

Check out these. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:59, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that's a great article, thanks. I hadn't heard of a couple of them. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:05, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

I was familiar with the Raelians, Snake handlers, and the Family, and I think I may have heard of the Bretheran, but the others were new to me. Actually, the Raelians might be the subject of the next project I start, they're the only religion that has endorsed Playboy magazine, if I recall correctly. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:13, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

• I hadn't heard of any the first time I read it, but yesterday I at least knew of the snake handlers. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:39, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, it's pretty fascinating what some of them come up with, "Whore yourself out, for Jesus. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Now that's an idea for an FAC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• ok, now I really don't think you're a UK person. (or did I get that idea wrong?)(and don't pass yourself off as Canadian!) MathewTownsend (talk) 01:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• It figures you two would find a site about a bunch of sex-crazy religious whackos. ;-) PumpkinSky talk 00:59, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• I am Canadian, although I could be a dog. Dunno about Mark. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Cracked has awesome stuff, Pumpkin. Best Zombie coverage outside of the CDC. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:19, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• You I know about (Mrs. Crisco, Indonesia your studies and all) but Mark is, um mm, questionable as to origin, due to his "interests" which seem to be crackpot US religions. MathewTownsend (talk) 01:42, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Well unless he's a German Shepherd, an Irish Wolfhound or an Afghan hound then it's going to be hard to put a nationality on him. :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Grapple X (talk • contribs)

• Grapple, that may be further proof you drink too much (no sig). I don't know, I think of Mark as more of a Jack Russel Terrier considering how fast he moves. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:50, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• I'm tempted to make an Irish joke, but in the interest of putting stereotypes to bed, I will refrain. Reminds me of the time an Asian student I knew asked me if Americans of Irish heritage were more likely to be alcoholics than other Americans. I said, "Of course not... ... although it is true in my case, so maybe there is something to that..." Mathew, I'm curious as to why you thought I was a UK person? I had actually thought you were from Europe, given that you don't edit much after 1:00 UTC. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• I always figured you were an American, especially since most of your stuff is about the US. If you just went by my edit history, you could never tell I'm Canadian... unless you managed to dig up The Art of Woo, J. L. Forster Secondary School, or the mayor of Windsor I wrote (i.e. niche subjects). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:00, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I hadn't seen those, interesting. Adam Beach was my sister's favorite actor for some time. I suppose if someone were committed enough, they could eventually figure out I use American English as a default... although I guess I don't have very committed stalkers. Interestingly, I know one Misplaced Pages who is from the U.S. but works hard to keep that a secret... Mark Arsten (talk) 02:06, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• So we can have all the Wikipedias? Yeah, those are all pretty old. My last non-Indonesian DYK was Full Service: My Adventures in Hollywood and the Secret Sex Lives of the Stars, helping Pumpkin... the last one I did on my own was Hermaphrodite (Nadar) back in May (now at GAC!) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:09, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Wow, at GAC now. I recall that article was very popular with the Wikipediocracy crowd, evidence that "The Misplaced Pages is Decadent and Depraved" or some such nonsense. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• well, Mark continues to evade! I went by your image on your page. But now you're hinting you're Irish? I don't believe it! MathewTownsend (talk) 02:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

  Everyone's Irish in America though. GRAPPLE X 02:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

  • lol, I guess that was a little evasive... I actually did say where I was from on the userpage of my last account. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:18, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Arsten is a good old-fashioned bloody American MUTT. His ancestors have been kicked out of every country in the world and he's proud of it! Mutts are stronger and healthier than pure breds, you know--no genetic inbreeding defects and all. PumpkinSky talk 02:21, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• Mutts are awesome. My favourite pet was a mutt, back when I was... seven? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:24, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I'm quite glad that I've never had to worry about Haemophilia :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

• As you reminded me (indirectly) to cover Canadian topics, I blame this on you. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:41, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Wow, that's some quick work, good job. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:51, 4 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah, wish Indonesian directors kept this much coverage on their own sites (not linked for copyright reasons though ) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:04, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for Jolla keep

Thanks for ending Jolla deletion discussion with positive result of keep the Jolla article Ocexyz (talk) 05:54, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:11, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Biiomolecules

I have rolled back your unlinking of biomolecules. This wasn't very sensible, the intended targets of these links were all to biomolecule, not the journal Biomolecules (the deleted article was originally a redirect - now restored). SpinningSpark 21:10, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh really, I hadn't realized that it had been a redirect before someone turned it into a journal--that make sense now. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:12, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Always worth checking the history first. SpinningSpark 22:34, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Will do, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:36, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

JAANUS

Hi there, please can you revert all your robot edits because I don't know how to and you're evidently highly proficient at it, thanks, Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:14, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, I wish you had caught that while it was still prod'd, but I'm glad to see that you've sourced the recreation. I'll re-link all the occurrences shortly. (my edit count is going through the roof!) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Great - thanks! Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:16, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I restored the redirect and talk page and reverted my delinking on 50 or so pages. Let me know if there's anything else you need/something I messed up. Mass reverts like that are pretty easy with WP:ROLLBACK. P.S. good work on Egg-and-spoon race! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:23, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

That's unbelievably quick - it would have taken me an age; thank you once again (and I'm glad you liked the egg-and-spoon!) Maculosae tegmine lyncis (talk) 23:25, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

User talk:Mark Arsten/sandbox: some friendly advice

Mark, I don't know what you think you're doing here, but you're an admin now. Stop writing articles and start blocking people. Drmies (talk) 02:34, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

lol, good point, my priorities are all out of whack. I better make ANI my browser's home page or something. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

While you were busying yourself with trivia I blocked one user and fully protected an article. Winning! Drmies (talk) 03:09, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hold on, I just saw someone swear in a discussion, I'll block him right away. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:15, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

What would you do if called someone "cunt"? PumpkinSky talk 03:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd file an Arbcom case, of course. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Don't be a dick. Ha! Sue me, Pumpkin. Drmies (talk) 04:20, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

This is where I started getting afeared, right? GRAPPLE X 04:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Have you ever been beaten over the head with a mop? Mark Arsten (talk) 04:26, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It was more like a tarring brush but I think the sentiment was the same. GRAPPLE X 04:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Dispute resolution: admin style. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hmm... well, some editors said getting a mop is a demotion. BTW: Glad to see I'm not the only one getting complaints over AFDs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:16, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, that seems to be frequent occurrence. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• You know, if my priority should be blocking people then I'm a bad admin. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:58, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
  • In addition to being a fast writer, geez! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
    • LoL, I was lucky. The National Library keeps scans of high quality sources on their website (in violation of copyright, so no links, but still...). Now to hunt down that book! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:31, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
      • huh, that is funny. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:44, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
        • Well, I don't mind. Wim Umboh and Sjumandjaja got to GA with those sources. If I get that book, Djajakusuma might make FA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:50, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Applewhite - FA!

I always knew it would make it. Congratulations Mark on another great article and possibly the quickest FAC I have ever seen! -- Cassianto 05:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the review and congratulations... I can't believe how quickly and smoothly that one went! Mark Arsten (talk) 05:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• You got like 7 supports in five days. No way that was going to take a month like ?... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:14, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• Like ? Mark Arsten (talk) 18:23, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

• No, not ?. ? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:41, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Jade Bailey (footballer)

Hi Mark. Why was "21:00 UTC, Sunday August 5th" mentioned six times? Has the nominator contacted you privately with a recommendation to close early? Or has something else happened? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Honestly, I have no idea why the "21:00 UTC, Sunday August 5th" was mentioned so many times, and no, the nominator has not contacted me about this. I realize I closed it about an hour early, but I doubt that a different consensus would have developed in an hours' time. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:43, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I am guessing that the nominator was hoping to make the decision process as transparent as possible. But you closed at 18.19 BST. By my reckoning, isn't that 17.19 UTC? That's 3 hours and 41 minutes early? You may be right, that no new information would come to light in that time. But I am very surprised that you chose to do that. I do hope the nominator, or indeed any other editor, will not want to present any new information which might have a large impact on the consensus. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, the Afd had been open for about 167 hours and 8 minutes and there was a strong consensus in one direction, (I count 14 delete or redirect vs 4 Keep) so I don't see any problems here. In any case, feel free to file a WP:DRV if you feel this has been closed in error. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:22, 5 August 2012 (UTC

I don't think anyone can really judge if there has been any "error" until 21.00 UTC tonight. I just thought that, given the rather vigorous debate there, it might have been proper to wait until the time that had been explicitly agreed? After 167 hours and 8 minutes, I don't quite see what the rush was. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I suppose we disagree then. Regards, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

A disagreement that could easily have been avoided. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:00, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, well, feel free to file a WP:DRV whenever you like. I can also userfy it if you want. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:02, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I think any efforts might be better directed, over the next hour and a half, to the search for material on Bailey that might have a bearing on her notability. But whether or not any is found, I think that if the editor who has been most concerned to avoid deletion turns up, in that time, they might be a bit surprised to see it already redirected. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm being falsely accused of being a sockpuppet

Hi Mark. A user named Tenebrae is harassing me by falsely accusing me of being a sockpuppet of User:Mcusa in this talk page discussion. I didn't even know what a sockpuppet was until I looked it up. I read on one page that a user can get banned for making that accusation without reporting it and without providing some evidence. Tenebrae has now done it twice, without reporting it. This guy, and another user named Malik Shabazz, acts as if he owns List of African-American firsts; just browse through the talk page discussions and the edit history of the article and you'll see what I mean. These guys, especially Tenebrae, act as if they're the boss of the article and their word is final on who's worthy of getting added to the article/list and who isn't. I told him that articles are not owned or controlled by anyone; that it's a community effort. And I told him I won't be bullied (by his false accusation). This all started when Mcusa wanted to add Gabby Douglas, the Olympic gymnastics champion, to the article and it was immediately reverted. Mcusa subsequently started a talk page discussion and posted a comment on the Gabby Douglas talk page to let editors there know that there was a discussion going on at the List of African-American firsts talk page, in case anyone wanted to give their input. So I went over there and commented that I definitely thought she should be added, as you'll read in the discussion. I never even heard of this guy Mcusa until I saw his comment. So anyway, here's what Tenebrae and Malik wrote in the List of African-American firsts talk page discussion:

So anyway Mark, can you do something about this guy? I don't like being harassed by being falsely accused of being another user on a public talk page. Apparently, they do not like it when other editors disagree with their opinions. Thanks for your help. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 21:30, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

It wouldn't let me paste in all the quotes. I'll try to put in the links to the edits where they said it. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 21:33, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Here they are: --76.189.114.163 (talk) 21:36, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi again, it's not terribly uncommon for a skilled IPs to be suspected of sockpuppetry, we even have a page on that: Misplaced Pages:Lurkers. I think the best approach may just to be to register an account, though. You may still be called a sock, but I guess if they insist that you're a sock you could ask them to open a WP:SPI case to have it decided for sure. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:39, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hey Mark, if you read the talk page discussion you'll see I told them if they think I'm someone else they better report it, otherwise stop accusing me. As I said, I recall reading an admin telling someone that accusing someone without reporting it is a great way to get banned from editing for awhile. Can you say something to this guy Tenebrae? Or ban him if he doesn't report it? --76.189.114.163 (talk) 21:44, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm not going to be blocking him, that's a last resort kind of thing. If you think they're bullying you, try opening a thread at WP:WQA or WP:ANI to get wider community input. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:50, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Mark, this guy will not stop harassing me. He just posted again on the talk page:

" And you yourself might not want to throw aroiund accusations of WP:OWN when a look at the edit history will show that not just Malik and I but Fat&Happy and a host of others have all contributed constructively to this article — whereas you are simply a single-purpose account uninterested in trying to improve this altruistic 💕 but simply trying to shoehorn in an apparent fan favorite of yours: Your history shows you doing nothing for Misplaced Pages except adding to Gabby Douglas, so if anyone here has an agenda, it's only you. And for a "new" user you seem to have remarkable familiarity with Wikiepdia terminology, although not with the policy of WP:CIVIL. In any case, a meat puppet wouldn't show up in an IP search, and I continue to maintain that the timing of your sudden appearance is suspect.--Tenebrae (talk) 21:35, 5 August 2012 (UTC)" --76.189.114.163 (talk) 21:56, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, for what it's worth, you did make comments like "Interesting how you are going out of your way to denegrate Douglas's accomplishment. I wonder why."--that is uncalled for. Not to say that it gives people licence to attack you though. You might want to post on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject African diaspora to attract wider attention, or follow WP:DISPUTERESOLUTION steps. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark. What was wrong with that comment?? I cannot for the life of me figure out why he's trying to downplay her accomplishment, an accomplishment that's been recognized and reported internationally as a huge moment in Olympic history. So what's the problem with my comment? Haha. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 22:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, it seems like the conflict is that he wants a very narrow inclusion criteria for the list and you want a broader one, so I don't think it's quite fair to say that he's trying to denigrate Douglas, just that he as a very strict idea of what to put in the article. I agree with you that this is a huge milestone, BTW.Mark Arsten (talk) 22:55, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

My question to you was: Why was my comment "uncalled for" and gave people "license to attack" me?? There was absolutely nothing inappropriate about my comment. He IS denigrating her, meaning he's saying her accomplishment is just not that important, when clearly it is (based on all the media coverage). He even made some snarky comment comparing Douglas to Snooki on the MTV show. And you are making my point about this guy thinking he owns the article when you talk about what "he wants." Exactly. The entire history of the article shows it's all about what this one guy wants, going all the way back to the creation of the article. Look at the talk page discussions. Look at the edit history. He makes the rulings on almost everything. Look, all I came here for was to ask you to say something to him about repeatedly accusing me of being someone else and doing so without reporting it. And you're turning it into analyzing my well-intentioned comments in that discussion. And if you agree with me that it's a huge milestone, then why are you questioning my comment and saying it's uncalled for. Mark, you don't make any sense on this one. Sorry. Haha. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 23:10, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, well, when I first saw your comment I thought you were trying to imply that he was racist, which would be going too far. I hadn't seen that he compared her to a Jersey Shore cast member--I guess that is denigrating her accomplishment, in addition to being totally untrue. When you have a case of a person controlling an article, it's usually best to get wider input on it, via the dispute resolution process. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:17, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh! Now I understand why you thought it was inappropriate. I couldn't figure out what you were talking about. I had my wife read what I wrote and she didn't get it either. So thanks for explaining because you were totally confusing me. And as far as doing some dispute process, that guy isn't worth it. He's been controlling that article since 2006. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 23:47, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

lol, well, glad we got it settled in the end. Alright, well, I hope you stick around to some extent, even if you leave that page behind. Regards, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:53, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Thanks Mark — your vote of confidence is much appreciated. Best, Malljaja (talk) 14:54, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Turban Tide and Hindoo Invasion

Please merge what you can to the main article. Bearian (talk) 14:56, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, will try to get to it soon, merging to Stereotypes of South Asians, right? Mark Arsten (talk) 16:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I think I did it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:46, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

You've got mail!

Aaron • 17:48, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Whoops

Sorry bout that. Didnt even notice. I'll try with WP:RPP, but I've been told before about unconstructive edits not constituting vandalism before. Dan56 (talk) 17:59, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that can be frustrating. Typically you won't get blocked for 3RR unless your edit-warring over a specific inclusion, but better safe than sorry, you never know when you'll run into a Cowboy. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Appreciate it. Dan56 (talk) 18:12, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

ANEW/3RRN Closure ragarding John Foxe

Hello Mark, I was recently notified on my talkpage about a thread regarding the editor I had placed a conditional unblock on (John Foxe). I looked over the material at hand and John Foxe was in violation of his unblock restriction. Can I ask why your finding was just to protect the page? After he's been blocked over it again twice since I placed the restriction, and had his talkpage revoked once, I'm surprised that the page was just protected. Maybe I'm not seeing something, so I thought I would stop by. Thanks :) -- DQ (ʞlɐʇ) 18:16, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi DQ, I looked at that and saw what seemed to be two users reverting each other, and then figured that protecting would be the best way to start discussion and end the edit warring. I've seen times in the past when two users break 3RR and an admin protects the page rather than blocking, so I assumed that was an option that was open to me. I didn't think too much about the 1RR restriction though. This is more complicated than I thought when I first looked at it. I'll revert myself and let you handle it as you see fit. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:28, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I think the discussion about the footnote at Samuel L. Mitchill was complete several days ago. Kraxler seems to have made no objection to my rewriting of the footnote, and I think the article can be unblocked immediately.--John Foxe (talk) 18:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, well, I've unprotected the article. I didn't think a block was warrented in this situation, but I find the 1RR business complicated, so I guess I'll defer to other admins on that. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:33, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

"I suggest that you open a new Rfc then, instead of trying to shoehorn your complaints about her into this one"

He's not going to do it - nothing to go on. That's why you'll see him, Lionelt, etc. continue to try to derail this RFC/U. –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 18:43, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

This is turning into a pretty messy Rfc, which is really saying something. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:49, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

please merge occupy cleveland

thanks Darkstar1st (talk) 22:02, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Alright, where should I merge it to? Mark Arsten (talk) 22:07, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

OWS? Darkstar1st (talk) 08:20, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

merge it to occupy wall street or movement. Darkstar1st (talk) 10:54, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, will try to do that later today. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:30, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

thanks. a rather important milestone in the occupy movement for one of it's members to be the 1st man ever to plead guilty to using a wmd. Darkstar1st (talk) 07:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Iain Martell

Hello, I noticed that you were the deleting admin for this AfD - Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Iain Martell (2nd nomination). I should state now before continuing now that I indeed intend to take this to a deletion review if I cannot convince you to change your result because, as I stated towards the end of the AfD on this page, I simply could not see a clear enough reason for the result have been a delete and after so long with the page being under an AfD the decision really should not of been delete.

I am not here to cause any problem between you and I here, but I would just like a better understanding for your decision and to convince you otherwise. When you made your decision, you stated simply "Will userfy upon request since this one was close" which to my opinion really doesn't give any kind of reflection on the overall position the AfD was in by that point. I have also been vocal about each of the three user's votes which were delete in which I am going to break down.

The first user didn't seem to have read through the page properly, nor did he understand the elements of Iain Martell's MMA career/celebrity status. On his MMA, he simply stated "Not notable as an MMA fighter", which is not true at all. Martell currently fights for UCMMA one of the UK's biggest MMA promotion along with BAMMA and Cage Warriors, he is undefeated under the banner and has been tipped for a title shot if he wins his next fight later this month. For his celebrity status, he simply said "an appearance on a reality TV show doesn't make him notable". Now simply because of this part I truly feel that the user didn't read the page at all, as the 'reality show' he describes is actually Take Me Out (UK), a dating game show that is very popular in this country, and after that he appeared on another show called John Bishop's Britain, a comedy show hosted by John Bishop that he gave his opinion on certain things in everyday life. The episode he appeared on drew 4 million people. But of course he would of known this had he carefully looked at the page properly and looked at the links relating to them. After that, there just wasn't any valuable reasons to deleted from this user in terms of policies the page failed that would of helped his case had he provided one.

By the time the second user voted, nearly 2 weeks passed and went through TWO different re-listing to determine notability but it still took two days after the second one to get another vote, and even when a vote was made, it hardly gave any kind of reason for deletion. The mocking at the end said it all really it just wasn't something you can use to push in favour to delete. The user stated "the non-mma-related coverage that's being pointed too seems mostly celebrity gossip-type coverage that's actually related to Katie Price", which again doesn't reflect the page by a mile. The mentions of Kate Price on the page, in fairness, is mainly covering a segment in Katie Price's life but it isn't like the sources covering it just gave him one line. There is a fair bit of detail which mentions a possible crush from Katie on Martell as well as mentioning Alex Reid being confrontational towards Martell and members of his gym about it, on more than one article. There are also different articles covering his appearances on the two TV shows he has been on, some from good sources like the ITV website. So all-in-all, I believe that this vote wasn't made with any real thought or investigation largely due to the lack of researching through the page and the mocking is a clear sign of any seriousness made whilst writing it.

The final one did seem to attempt to make a legitimate case for deletion, however I still feel it wasn't enough to go for an overall deletion vote. The user uses WP:MMANOT as a policy it fails to meet in terms of fighting for a notable MMA promotion, yet the policy is a very poor one. As I have stated in the AfD, it is indeed a guideline that, according to the top of the page, "This page is an essay on notability. It contains the advice and/or opinions of one or more WikiProjects on how notability may be interpreted within their area of interest" so, to me at least, this means that following this guideline is an optional and should not be enforced to determine notability. I stated on the AfD that the guideline also doesn't include similar size promotions such as the Super Fight League (India's biggest promotion), One Fighting Championship (the biggest and fastest growing promotion in Asia), the International Fight League (covered by mainstream sources and competed with the UFC at its height) or Invicta Fighting Championships (biggest woman's MMA promotion in North America) so for the guideline to not include UCMMA shouldn't affect notability at all. After that point, the user did admit that the page can pass for WP:GNG, the policy which I had use for my case to keep the page. So even though the user's intended vote was to delete, by breaking down what the person's reason and reading between the lines, you can then see that by taking away the poor reason to delete and see that the user did say that the page passes WP:GNG, that they really saying keep.

So with all this in mind, I would like to discuss with you about changing your result and reinstating the page for Iain Martell. It is like I said I am prepared to take this to the deletion review but I feel that after bringing up the points to do with the AfD and breaking down the delete votes made on the page that we can agree that it was a misunderstanding and that we can correct this issue very soon. I will be looking forward to hearing from you. Pound4Pound (talk) 22:10, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Whoa, that's a lot of reading to do. I'll go through it and give it some thought, will hopefully get back to you soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:15, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much, please take your time with your research for us to get the best result of this! Pound4Pound (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 22:17, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

I've thought it over, and I should have relisted instead of deleting. So I've undeleted it and relisted the discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:55, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Barelwis

Barelwis do not worship Shrines or graves. This is a wrong information which you are spreading as the leader of Barelwi school Imam Ahmed Reza Khan was strongly against "WORSHIPPING OF GRAVES" this is actually a false accusation on Barelwis hurled by Wahabis and Deobandis whereas in reality Barelwis are firm believers in oneness of God Almighty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aamirik (talk • contribs) 00:07, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, feel free to change it if you provide a reliable source for the information. (See WP:RS & WP:V) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:09, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Thanx for protecting "Jism 2" --Zeeyanketu ✉ 03:48, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Radionuclides associated with hydraulic fracturing

Hi, Mark Asten. You closed the AfD for Radionuclides associated with hydraulic fracturing. In this process, you also removed OR tag from the article. Is there any specific reason for this or was it just accidental removal? Beagel (talk) 06:26, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

No, that was an accident, will restore. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Recalcitrant Interdependence

Why was this relisted? it was a unanimous delete consensus? LibStar (talk) 07:52, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

I agree with the relist - 2 delete votes, one with no reasoning ("explain how the article meets/violates policy rather than merely stating that it meets/violates the policy"). I've now added a third, however! Nikthestoned 11:21, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, I like to see at least three delete votes before closing a discussion as delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

• Technically, it had three !votes (don't forget the nom) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:53, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I meant three !votes other than the nom. I hadn't realized how much feedback Admins get on relisting an article, good to know people are paying attention, I guess. Oh, Crisco, sorry, but I kept an article you nominated for deletion earlier today, can't recall what it was now though. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• I saw it. The AFD was a mess anyways. (Judging by the number of comments here, you're going to need more archives) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, the article's a mess too, probably best to stub it. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:24, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

A relist is quite reasonable here, but a delete would have been justified too, ie, IMHO it's on the fence of those two calls.PumpkinSky talk 02:26, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I'll keep that in mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:28, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

The 5% solution

Nice work. I was watching an episode of Ho-Ho-Ho-Homicide which featured The Nation of Islam. How could I resist reading about a movement that claims to have "Supreme Mathematics"?!? :D

Keep up the good work! Kiefer.Wolfowitz 15:46, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, the perfect blend of science and religion :) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:01, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Imzadi 1979 → 23:54, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

YRC RFC

Hey thanks for the advice. On Ricardo Arjona, it was another user although i still had my issues with YRC in the past. I removed my comment for now. Maybe i participate with an Ouside view or something similar, Thanks. —Hahc21 02:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sounds good. Feel free to endorse or oppose some of the views if you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:00, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

RevDeleting your own edit summary?

Hi Mark. In the midst of cleaning up User:Fasttimes68, you seem to have to have RevDeleted your own edit summary. Was this on purpose, or did you mean to delete another user's edit summary? By the way, why was Fasttimes68 indefinitely blocked? It's fine if you can't tell me (privacy, or whatnot). David1217 04:33, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Looks deliberate, possibly due to the personal attack in the name of the user he was reverting. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:43, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict)Yep, Crico's right. What happened was someone with an insulting user name {you could probably find it on my contribs since I put a blocked template on them) vandalized his page, and I revdeleted their vandalism since their username was designed to insult an identifiable person. Then I realized that when I rolled them back their user name was in my edit summary (reverted edits by...) so I revdeleted that too. Not sure if that was the best way to do it, I'm still new at this stuff. As the why he was indeffed, I can't tell you... because I don't know why myself. User:Hersfold blocked him and didn't say why, just to contact the Arbcom mailing list for an explanation. I was surprised to see that, but odd things happen on this website from time to time. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:45, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

You're probably aware, but the best bet is to have a bureaucrat rename the account and revdel what needs to be, based on content or edit summary. There are times, and this sounds like it was one, that you may need to put the cart before the bureaucratic horse and deal with your own edit summaries too. Without the bureaucrat's account rename, the block logs and other public logs will still contain the account name though. <-- Preceeding comments by a drive-by commenter. --Tgeairn (talk) 04:58, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, that hadn't occurred to me, good point. I'll ping a crat about it. Thanks for the clue adjustment. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:02, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, now I get it. Funny case, huh? David1217 13:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Tenebrae excessive reverts

Mark, this guy Tenebrae made the following 5 reverts in 5 hours on List of African-American firsts. Like I told you before, the talk page and edit history on that article shows that for many years he's been acting like he owns it.

00:50, 8 August 2012‎

00:42, 8 August 2012‎

00:40, 8 August 2012‎

23:30, 7 August 2012‎

19:45, 7 August 2012‎

Thanks, --76.189.114.163 (talk) 05:52, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, you might want to consider reporting him to WP:AN3, if he's broken the WP:3RR rule. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not involved in the edit war. I haven't even done any edits in that article, but I reported it. It took awhile to figure out how to fill-in the form, but I managed to get through it. Haha. --76.189.114.163 (talk) 07:03, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that is a tricky form, good luck. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Pinsex

I was in the process of adding the information that was requested of me to the Pinsex page when it was deleted. I thought I would have more time to submit references. I am the author of the article and I've complied with absolutely everything that was asked of me and was in the process of adding more references and updating information. - Juanaffiliato (talk) 08:20, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hi Juan, I've looked through that and it appears that you had not yet included viable reliable, third-party references to show the notability of the website. There was a discussion going on, which had a consensus to delete. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Yeah, to be blunt, you had a week to add everything you wanted to the article. Your best bet now is to start a draft offline and when it has better sourcing than the one that was deleted you can file a WP:DRV and get it restored. Good luck! Mark Arsten (talk) 14:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks! I'm really not one to give up. It's been tough with all my Thesis work and all... but believe me I will pull through. You haven't seen the last of Don Carlos! :p - Juanaffiliato (talk) 21:16, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
      • Alright, glad to hear it :) Mark Arsten (talk) 21:34, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

?

Do you think you could perhaps strike the addressed comments at Misplaced Pages:Featured article candidates/? (film)/archive1? I've never seen one of my noms this dead, and am worried that the long list of unstricken comments is the issue. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:07, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Danke. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:30, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• BTW, YGM. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:31, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, just saw that a minute before I got the orange bar, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:37, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Cheers. I got an email back from Helen Lee, she said she's looking into an image. BTW, check out this. Fun FA, methinks, if you're into sports. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I've heard of that guy, would be a great FA topic. That's great that Lee replied, good to hear. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:51, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Mhm, I've had bad luck with OTRS / requesting images. My first try was an email to Beverly Lee of The Shirelles, and... well, nothing. Most of the others haven't had any luck, either. I think Ucu Agustin is the only one who contributed an image, and I had the head of Wikimedia Indonesia as a go-between. (that being said, Andrea Hirata's publicist contributed two pretty good images of him in preparation for the international release of his novel The Rainbow Warriors, so that's cool). You ever try that?

Oh, wait. You pretty much never write BLPs. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:57, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, that's not intentional really, but it probably is a good thing when dealing with controversial groups. See the talk page of Keith Raniere for an example. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:01, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Urgh... and urgh. Frightening. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

• Replied at the GA review (figures this would be my most popular article yet, eh? 500-600 views daily) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:59, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Ok, probably won't get back right away, but will try to get to it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
    • No problem, I know you're busy (heck of a lot of AFD work) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
      • Looks like the Creaphis book has all 9 photographs, but getting it here through Amazon would be like $50. Now, if Wikimedia were to reimburse me... but that's dreaming (although, if anyone with power is stalking you, let it be known that reimbursements are awesome). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:19, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
        • Yeah, that's too bad, maybe someday. Perhaps a highly motivated Frenchman will step in and co-nom with you? There's an article that I really want to write that I'd probably have to buy this book for, looks like $70 or so. I can get some of it on Amazon+google books, but if I decide to go for FA I'll have to splurge. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
          • That would be nice. That's the shame with academic books: 9 times out of 10 they're ridiculously priced. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:20, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Rouge Admin
 MarkArsten 
03:28, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yes, if you think about it, the ridiculous pricing of academic resources is one reason spreading free knowledge on Misplaced Pages is so valuable.

Daniel Sharman?

Hey! Was the Daniel Sharman page deleted (wasn't mine) cause the article had no sources or that and because the actor is not deemed notable enough? Cause if the former I'd like to write a better sourced article. If the latter: I don't want to waste my time. Thanks! D is for... (talk) 22:06, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

It was only deleted because it had no sources (WP:BLPPROD). If it were recreated with good sources (WP:RS), it probably would not be deleted. The text of the page I deleted was:

• Daniel Sharman was born on April 25, 1986. He is known for his roles as Isaac Lahey on MTV's Teen Wolf and Ares in the film, Immortals.

Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:55, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/La Venganza del Otro

How many times do we re-list? --Orange Mike | Talk 13:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

I thought it was 3 times at max, but I just checked and it turns out I was mistaken, oops! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

The 2012 Chick-fil-A AfD

I was impressed with your closure of the 2012 Chick-fil-A gay-marriage freedom of speech controversy AfD. I didn't participate in it, nor do I have a strong opinion either way, but your evenhanded and thorough handling of it was exactly what was called for. Good job!

		The Barnstar of Diplomacy
		For successfully closing a conroversial, emotionally-charged AfD. Owen× ☎ 14:04, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• • Thanks, glad to hear it! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:28, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• Hello~! Thanks for the help on Cadillac Gage Commando, I've been hounded by a certain IP hopping editor(s) on a number of article pages by his constant name-calling and quoting me with my signature "Take heed" comment at the end of my warnings to him/them. Would you consider semi-protect the article page as well to prevent further mischief? --Dave 18:19, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
  • You're welcome, glad to help. Sure, I guess that would be a good idea if he's IP hopping. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:23, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks, that will usually shut them up for good, or at least until the end of the protection period. Usually, I don't deal with these gutless individuals conducting disruptive edits while hiding behind the veil of IP anonimity, please read WP:Observations on Misplaced Pages behavior#8 for further details. Once again, thank you... peace and out. --Dave 18:34, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, I agree totally. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:38, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

AfD on Genesis 1:2

I appreciate you stepping in to take part, but you closed the discussion 3 days early as "no consensus". If you feel there's no consensus, could you please re-open the discussion and let it run for the full 7 days to see if consensus is established? The discussion hasn't garnished much interest yet, and I'd hope we'd be able to attract a bit more before the full period. Thank you.   — Jess· Δ♥ 04:13, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I believe you are mistaken, you opened the discussion at 03:56, 3 August 2012 UTC and I closed it at 03:59, 10 August 2012 UTC. Is there something I'm missing here? Mark Arsten (talk) 04:36, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Strange. When I looked at the AfD just prior to posting this message, I swear to you it said "5 days ago" beside my nom. That was just as it turned midnight here, so I figured it was 3 days early. Now when I look, it says "7 days ago". Of course, you are correct that August 3rd was a week ago. It appears that I was mistaken. Thank you.   — Jess· Δ♥ 05:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Sock at Harold Macmillan

You blocked an IP address, 92.7.24.144 (talk · contribs), for 24hrs for edit warring at Harold Macmillan. I think the block should be indefinite. This guy shows every indication of being a sockpuppet of User:HarveyCarter, an incorrigible socker who keeps returning via 92.7.x.x IPs, and keeps throwing unbalanced and biased negative material at this and other articles. Earlier today I filed a new report on the guy at Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet investigations/HarveyCarter, adding to the very long archive. I have been working to stop him for months, others for years. Binksternet (talk) 22:45, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd prefer to defer to another admin on that one, I have next to no experience dealing with sock puppetry cases. I'd suggest you ask an admin who's more familiar with this case than I am. Sorry, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:06, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

• We generally don't indef IPs, because the holder can change. That being said, I just uploaded a picture of the gentleman — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Okay, back to whack-a-mole! Heh heh...

Dang Crisco, that photo has been through the wars. Binksternet (talk) 23:29, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, admittedly not as good as this one of Hamengkubuwana IX (I must have been out of focus, library doesn't have a scanner) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Greenie Bus

Why do you invite open the door to an immediate new AfD?  How can such be anything but disruption?  If there is some theoretical way that this article can be deleted under our policies, you should explain your viewpoint, otherwise, please support the community consensus as embodied in our policies and guidelines.  Thank you, Unscintillating (talk) 07:11, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm not sure my close invited an immediate renomination, but I'll revise my wording to make that clear. I think a merge discussion before renominating would be a better idea though. I do want to support the community consensus of our policies and guidelines, but at the same time, it's up to the community to interpret them and lack of participation makes it difficult to judge the community's interpretation. Some of the arguments in the discussion were fairly weak, on top of that. So I don't think another try at consensus would be disruptive, though the ideal would be to seek alternatives, as you pointed out on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 07:27, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

The original close rationale said "no prejudice twards..." which is about as neutral as can be. Why so pedantic?--GrapedApe (talk) 13:56, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Care to !vote: Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion/Greenie Bus (2nd nomination)?--GrapedApe (talk) 14:09, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry about the pedantry. Well, hope this one goes well. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) In spite of the plan that you would "make that clear" that you were not inviting an immediate renomination, I agree with GrapedApe that in the actual rewording you have left the door open for the speedy renomination that has now occurred.  The word "invite" in my original post was probably not the best word, so I've changed it to "open the door to".  Be that as it may, how is stating in the new closing, "...I don't think that it would be disruptive to renominate the article" anything other than an invitation to a speedy renomination?  Unscintillating (talk) 16:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, interesting points, I'll think about it a bit more before I respond. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:53, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Replied on Afd2. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Did you?  One could also read that response as avoiding replying to me.  In particular, I am interested in a response to, "If there is some theoretical way that this article can be deleted under our policies, you should explain your viewpoint."  Unscintillating (talk) 23:36, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand this line of questioning, I'm afraid. I do not see why I should provide an explanation for why the article should be deleted under our policies, since I didn't do so. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Well, that traces miscommunication back to my first post above, but I don't know what is not clear.  Do you agree that "Greenie Bus", even without the Greenie Bus article, is a topic covered in the encyclopedia, so there is no case to delete the redirect?  Do you agree that no argument has been made that the current content objectionably violates our content policies such that the edit history needs to be deleted?  Do you agree that if there is no case to delete the redirect, and no case to delete the edit history, there is no need for the time of AfD volunteers or admins to be used in an AfD?  Unscintillating (talk) 00:15, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, Ok, I see what you're saying now. I tend to agree with you that deletion isn't needed here, but I can't close discussions based on my opinion, since the community didn't come to a consensus on the issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

How much weight do you give to !votes that !vote to delete due to lack of notability, when the topic already is covered elsewhere in the encyclopedia, and there is no case to delete the redirect?  Unscintillating (talk) 11:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I would still give them some weight, but wouldn't rule out a redirect because of them, particularly if others have brought it up in the discussion. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:54, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

In the current case, it was not one that had discussion of redirect or merger.  So I conclude that the delete !votes, even though they had no theoretical basis, were given "some weight" such that they weighed in toward a "no consensus" result.  You don't have to agree, but I'm thinking that the delete !votes might have been re-weighed as "merge or redirect somewhere" !votes.  Unscintillating (talk) 20:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Would Unscintillating care to reveal where exactly the "topic already is covered elsewhere in the encyclopedia."-_GrapedApe (talk) 16:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The word "reveal" means as per m-w.com #2 "to make (something secret or hidden) publicly or generally known <reveal a secret>".  It is a case of "have you stopped beating your wife", because whether or not I agree to "reveal", I impugn by implication that I have been keeping "something secret or hidden".  I documented one such target in my 30 July response in the fourth sentence I wrote at the AfD, and the nominator has redirected the article since on 2012-08-11 to another such target.  Unscintillating (talk) 20:31, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Huh?--GrapedApe (talk) 21:34, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

• Actually, I meant that Unscintillating was being pedantic about the very clear wording of your original AFD. Sorry that it was unclear.
  • Oh, that makes more sense to me now, thanks for clarifying. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Ángel Berlanga

You recently deleted the article Ángel Berlanga however the article Ángel Luis Berlanga Vina still remains. Can you please it also. Ángel Luis Berlanga Vina redirects to Ángel Berlanga.Simione001 (talk) 09:42, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

My mistake, zapped it. I had forgotten to check the box to delete the redirects. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:06, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

FC Rohožník

Can you undeleted please, article about Slovak club FC Rohožník, who currently plays in IV. football level in Slovakia. He will play against Slovak legend club FK Inter Bratislava. Thank you. IQual (talk) 14:45, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd prefer if you filed a WP:DRV on the issue. It's difficult for me to evaluate the subject guidelines and Slovakian sources on the subject, so I'm not comfortable restoring it without discussion. Sorry, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:53, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Scrambled Eggs with Sriracha

Mark Arsten: Paul Ryan vs. Scrambled Eggs w/ Sriracha, who wins? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.106.160 (talk) 15:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

I certainly do like Sriracha sauce, I'm not sure about Paul Ryan though. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:25, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

re: Jack king & Jeffrey Monakana

• re: Jack king & Jeffrey Monakana Well tomorrow is the first OFFICIAL match they WILL have. Like a few days made a whole world of difference!!!

They WILL be starting is the word locally, (Yes, I live in Deepdale, right next to the stadium, and know a few things not that it matters!) but seeing as I am the original author, I hope you do the right thing and restore my articles tomorrow!

Here is a reference >> << that suggests (Not supports) it also!

But you will know tomorrow anyway!

Ok, keep me posted so I know when to restore it. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:27, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Jeffrey Monakana and Jack King, Both in the starting line-up!

Can you please restore my work ;) DaPlayerX (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

1. "King 33/1 To Score First". PNE Official Site. 12 August 2012. Retrieved 12 August 2012.
2. "Preston Vs Huddersfield League Cup Tie". BBC Sport. 12 August 2012. Retrieved 13 August 2012.

DaPlayerX (talk) 19:13, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

A question about peer review

Hi,

I wandered into the Peter Sellers FAC, not meaning to cause a stir. But the section heading were so confusing (me not knowing all that much about Peter Sellers) and they seemed put such an ugly cast on his personality while minimizing his artistry that I commented on the FAC page about them.

Now it seems that the section headings were renamed per a peer reviewer's opinion, and it seems the current editors think that peer review is set in stone:

The section headers were changed per a this peer review to satisfy the concerns of a reviewer. It wasn't "our opinion". I have already said above I would prefer them shorter, but we have to oblige with the PR as otherwise it would make a mockery of the whole thing.

Is that true about peer review? MathewTownsend (talk) 21:52, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't think that the opinion of a peer reviewer necessarily carries more weight than a suggestion from anyone else. Refusing to change anything because of a peer review would be making a mockery of the process, but disregarding a suggestion here or there doesn't seem like an issue. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:01, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Caputo Bibliography

Mark, Would it be possible to insert the "Articles" section from the "John D. Caputo, Bibliography" section that you recently deleted into the article "John D. Caputo"? That is a valuable list of articles and it is not part of the "John D. Caputo" article. Thanks, Jdcaputo (talk) 00:18, 13 August 2012 (UTC)John Caputo

Well, since it was deleted via WP:PROD, you could have it undeleted via WP:REFUND. For now, I'll undelete it and redirect to his bio, and you can then access the page history and merge what you like. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:35, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Note I prodded it because much of it appeared to be a WP:COPYVIO so if you merge the material back please ensure it is no longer a copyvio. Regards, Sun Creator 00:55, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, good point. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:03, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Yeah, we're not supposed to restore copyvios. BTW, Sun, {{db-g12}} might work too. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:06, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• As I recall, the entire article wasn't a copyvio just most of it. Regards, Sun Creator 01:09, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Ok, well, I'm not going to mess with it then--deleted the redirect. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

• Alrighty. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Regarding "Pending Changes level 2" protection on Paul Ryan

Hi,

I don't suppose there is any chance that the upcoming change to the page protection policy could be implemented early, or late, in the case of the Paul Ryan article? Ridiculous amounts of time are being wasted spent adding and reverting the "voted best brown noser" comments covered ubiquitously in the media. Despite warnings, postings, etc., I have no confidence that this will not continue for the foreseeable future with this issue. I have attempted normal remedies, such as talk page moderation, dialogues, warnings when appropriate, etc.(and have no doubt I'll be dragged into postings on the noticeboards as well). The media is now commenting on the edit war. If the pending page protection level 2 is not available, are there other remedies besides full page protection (which might be premature)? Thanks for your help. OliverTwisted (Stuff) 04:46, 13 August 2012 (UTC)