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Non-job
Could someone take a look at this little article? I came across it on an unrelated matter but it looks to have some WP:POV and WP:COAT issues. Perhaps someone here would be more qualified than me to bring it up to scratch. Thanks, Clavdia chauchat (talk) 10:46, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- I agree about the WP:POV and WP:COAT problems, and I've removed some assertion that are not supported by the refs. that I can access (I couldn't read the Times one — paywalled.)—A bit iffy (talk) 11:35, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers! Clavdia chauchat (talk) 12:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Looking at this again, I wonder what the future of the article should be. The concept itself is surely a world-wide one, and for much of human history — not essentially concerning the Brown premiership as some editor(s) have tried to spin it. On the other hand, perhaps a "non-job" is such a nebulous, vague thing that it can't ever be more than a WP:DICDEF and hence can't merit a useful article. Anyone got any thoughts?—A bit iffy (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree – I think the article should be focussed on the social/political phenomenon of the "non-job" as identified in 2000s UK; contextualised, of course. So there would definitely be potential to chart the rise of the term, the settings in which it has been used, any analysis of it as a moniker, and perhaps and studies looking at the existence (or not) of jobs like those at this time. (This reply sounds all rather jargony, I hope you get the idea. I'm not a social scientist, so it isn't deliberate.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- If the article is to be expanded rather than deleted, it should look at the origins of the term (if they can be found), and use more objective analyses of the term like this that cover its use by highly politicised media as well as politicians. The term "non-job" is a political construct, not something that actually exists. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- This really does seem guaranteed to produce a biased article particulary as job descriptions are geared more to attract applicants than to educate the public about their purpose. A non-job holder is unlikely to be given the opportunity of self justification. I recommend the article should become a non-article :) JRPG (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- I agree now — if the article exists, its focus should be on its usage in UK politics. I have doubts whether the usage merits its own article, but not strong enough to launch an AfD.—A bit iffy (talk) 09:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
- I wrote the article as it's an established term. Just because the term is pejorative doesn't make the article any less valid. We still have "nigger" as an article! Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:48, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- Just because a politician invents a new pejorative term, it doesn't necessarily mean that we should have an article on it. Ghmyrtle (talk) 12:28, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- I wrote the article as it's an established term. Just because the term is pejorative doesn't make the article any less valid. We still have "nigger" as an article! Andrewjlockley (talk) 10:48, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- I agree now — if the article exists, its focus should be on its usage in UK politics. I have doubts whether the usage merits its own article, but not strong enough to launch an AfD.—A bit iffy (talk) 09:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
- This really does seem guaranteed to produce a biased article particulary as job descriptions are geared more to attract applicants than to educate the public about their purpose. A non-job holder is unlikely to be given the opportunity of self justification. I recommend the article should become a non-article :) JRPG (talk) 21:33, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- If the article is to be expanded rather than deleted, it should look at the origins of the term (if they can be found), and use more objective analyses of the term like this that cover its use by highly politicised media as well as politicians. The term "non-job" is a political construct, not something that actually exists. Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:34, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- I disagree – I think the article should be focussed on the social/political phenomenon of the "non-job" as identified in 2000s UK; contextualised, of course. So there would definitely be potential to chart the rise of the term, the settings in which it has been used, any analysis of it as a moniker, and perhaps and studies looking at the existence (or not) of jobs like those at this time. (This reply sounds all rather jargony, I hope you get the idea. I'm not a social scientist, so it isn't deliberate.) Grandiose (me, talk, contribs) 14:27, 9 July 2012 (UTC)
- Looking at this again, I wonder what the future of the article should be. The concept itself is surely a world-wide one, and for much of human history — not essentially concerning the Brown premiership as some editor(s) have tried to spin it. On the other hand, perhaps a "non-job" is such a nebulous, vague thing that it can't ever be more than a WP:DICDEF and hence can't merit a useful article. Anyone got any thoughts?—A bit iffy (talk) 20:41, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
- Cheers! Clavdia chauchat (talk) 12:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)
Discussion at Talk:Demography_and_politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Requested_move
You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Demography_and_politics_of_Northern_Ireland#Requested_move. KarlB (talk) 19:05, 10 July 2012 (UTC)Template:Z48
David Cameron.
Hi all. I wonder if you could pass your expert unbiased eyes over a section I've added in the political commentary section on David Cameron and Lord Ashcroft and also look the talk page. It's a short section in an important article and I'd be grateful for any constructive input. Thanks in eager anticipation. JRPG (talk) 10:43, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
New Supplementary Vote election box template
I didn't think there were enough Election Box formats (!) so I made one for the Supplementary Vote counting system used for English mayoral elections and the forthcoming England and Wales Police and Crime Commissioner elections, 2012. The template is based on the one created for San Francisco mayoral election, 2011.
You can see the box on Mansfield mayoral election, 2011. I have some more features in mind but any comments welcome, especially about the desirability of the bar graphic. Incidentally while looking at these mayoral elections there is some tidying needed as it is difficult to find whether a page exists for any given election, some have voting figures on the page about the position but most don't, etc. Sussexonian (talk) 11:18, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
- Hi Sussexonian. Thanks for doing this. I like the look of the Mansfield box, and importantly how easy the template looks to fill in for regular editors. Has it been tested for parties with and without articles? doktorb words 13:37, 28 July 2012 (UTC)
Good article candidate
Hi there. New Labour has been a good article candidate for a little while; I was wondering if anyone could review it for me? Thanks. ItsZippy 14:15, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
Hansard listing for MPs
Lots of the MP pages seem to have Hansard record listed under 'external links'. For example Tom Watson (politician). Is there any standard for putting a link to Hansard in an infobox, and if not can I suggest that it is adopted as a standard? I don't know what the process is for doing that here. Extua (talk) 07:01, 6 August 2012 (UTC)
Stormont template
Hi all. I've been doing some work on underused digital resources, and today produced {{Stormont}}, for linking to the Stormont Papers project (effectively Hansard for Northern Ireland, 1921-72). Hopefully it'll be some use to anyone interested in working on the period. If there's anywhere else you think would be useful to notify people of the template, please circulate it... Andrew Gray (talk) 15:30, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
Amendment requested for 'The Troubles' Arbitration remedies; input welcome
Hi all,
Interested editors are invited to review and comment on a request for amendment to the discretionary sanctions remedy (R5) of the The Troubles Arbitration case.
Regards,
Daniel (talk) 04:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)