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Format the article as a battle rather than a terrorist attack

It seems that because of the involvement of security forces, American military and officials, and organized militant groups, this article could be formatted as a battle (or skirmish) with opposing sides rather than an attack with perpetrators. There have been reports that Libyan police may have been killed by the militants, which would additionally support this event as a skirmish between militants, security forces, and Americans in the broader context of the aftermath of the Arab Spring and Libyan civil war. Z.graber (talk) 16:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Arnold Raphel Pakistan 1988 is the last US Amb killed/who died mysteriously in the line of duty.

Meros Felsenmaus (talk) 16:18, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Source?Lihaas (talk) 18:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Sentence not clear

What is the intended meaning of this sentence?

"In Benghazi, Libya, RPGs were fired at the consulate from a nearby far result in the death of the visiting Ambassador Christopher Stevens from smoke inhalation, two US Marines, an additional unknown staff member and injuries to two others."

KConWiki (talk) 11:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

fixed,

Done(Lihaas (talk) 12:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)).

Blowback

I believe this is relevant as a see also (obviously not in the article as that could be OR/Synthesis). Based on the discussion at ITNC as the "unintended consequences" of the civil war.(Lihaas (talk) 12:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)).

It's obvious, but of course, there should be sources for it. FunkMonk (talk) 12:30, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

true, but thats why "see also" and not cited as fact of itself. no?Lihaas (talk) 13:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine with me, though I wouldn't be surprised is someone tried to remove it afterwards, and we wouldn't be able to defend inclusion then. FunkMonk (talk) 13:05, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Mobs

Not sure the word is pov. Its defined as an unruly crowd and it did get violent. Per this Lihaas (talk) 13:04, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Mob action or coordinated attacks?

The possibility of coordinated attacks is now being investigated per. As I have some issues with Politico as a reliable source, I don't intend to add this to the article unless it is confirmed. —Cupco 19:36, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Name (drop the date)

I think we should drop the date (but not the year) from the name. Including the date makes it seem like this was planned for the anniversary of 9/11. What I've read about it instead says that this film was translated into Arabic just a few days ago. I think Misplaced Pages:Naming_conventions_(events)#Conventions also supports using just the year.--Chaser (talk) 13:23, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Agree that the date should be dropped, unless/until there are other attacks on other dates that this event could be confused with.

Relating to the name, should there be a double plural in the title? ("missions attacks") Shouldn't it just be "missions attack" or mission attacks"? 331dot (talk) 13:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

there are 2 missions and thus 2 attacks.

Though, as somoene having created other such articles, WP convention would be okey in removing the date without the year

Done(Lihaas (talk) 13:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)).

I realize that, but I'm not sure if both words need to be plural, I think only one does. Could be wrong, but it seems awkward the way it is now.331dot (talk) 13:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

It is awkward, but correct. "Diplomatic mission attacks" would suggest one mission was attacked multiple times, and "diplomatic missions attack" would suggest that it was a single coordinated assault, which it doesn't appear to have been (other than the same film causing both initial protests.) I guess "diplomatic mission attacks" would be okay, but it's less accurate. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 13:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Libyan Dead

Apparently, there was a news conference in Libya recently that stated that 10 police were also killed in the attacks. This should be noted. This would raise the death toll to 14. --Lionheart Omega (talk) 17:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

source?Lihaas (talk) 18:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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is not from the wikilink, but a quote from the source
notable enough for a wikipage is notable. Further a prospective candidate influences decision makigng via popular opinion
not notable? really? if you want to change reaction lists across WP, then get a wider consenssu.
needs copyedit as in quotation marks closed and then repened without anything in th emiddle.
per above, removes consistent format
"spome" is vague
not sur e why..
ditto
censoreD? its in the source.
GOOD, but wrong place.
original is more neutral than "american" flag.
verification to ource.
context per the others in the "background section"
minor grammar
still a 9/11 attack
engvar
minor but to remove with other readdition as then overlink.
copyvio, hence i changed wording.
colon after "Scrawled"
110% relevant to the context of the new ME.
umm, the article already says/said there has not been a screening.
minor ", and"
] sourced removal for speculation. We have a susperps in the infobocx
engvar and removal
p believed by who is vague.
npov with summary and removed source
then reword dont remove it. Nothign wrong ther either.
and the user follows with this????
vague and engvar
minor, not arabic
notable in terms of where us operations are based. For researchers thats adding to AFRICOM.
VANDALISM
you cant change a WUPTE
nrestored to mine, but other was better.

Sorry to interrupt your in-progress listing of diffs, but I'm confused what scouring through diffs that often *don't even apply to the article anymore* accomplishes. If there are specific issues, they should be brought up. If something's broken, you can always edit it rather than pasting a diff that may have been further edited. Obviously there will be issues in the process of editing an article, particularly a breaking news article. The current version is what's important. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 19:29, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

In that case, these are issues and i dont want to edit war.Lihaas (talk) 19:32, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I'm happy to discuss any edits, I'm just confused because many of these are minor edits and often don't exist on the page anymore. It's just hard to discuss them when it's a long list of slow-loading diffs, many of which are obsolete, and many of which seem to be over trivial issues. I'm sure you have valid points in there, it's just hard to find them because it's a decent bit of effort to load every diff then check the page to see if it's still valid...and I suspect most other people aren't going to do that either. – 2001:db8:: (rfc | diff) 19:38, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Time of the attack

There is still no information in the article about when both attacks took place, if some when has some information about the local time during which they took place, please add the information.--Kimdime (talk) 19:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

article says/said Libya was in the evening.Lihaas (talk) 19:17, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

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