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Copyright question re Norfolk Island
File:Norfolk Island 2c stamp.png
Is Norfolk Island considered part of Australia for copyright purposes? I have been advised that the image of the Norfolk Island stamp at right, which I uploaded yonks ago and is used at Norfolk Island, will probably be zapped because it apparently has the wrong licensing. So I had a look around at other Aussie stamps, and see this article which shows the image of the queen stamp also seen here.
Commons licensing is a mystery to me (and I suspect many, many other Wikipedians). If Norfolk Island is part of Oz re copyright, then I should be able to use the same licensing as is used for the queen's coronation image. Yes? No? User talk:Moriori (talk) 00:08, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Most a mystery to me too, but NI stamp was issued in 1980 and is copyright of Norfolk Island Post Office; The 1953 stamp (once copyright of forerunner of Australia Post) dates from more 50 years before 2005 and is thus out of copyright. Suspect that neither Australia Post or NI Post would be too concerned with images of their recent stamps being used on Misplaced Pages (and would probably welcome it) but what licensing would be required I don't know. I will add scans of pre-1955 NI stamps as soon as I get around to it. Most Aussie from that period I have done. Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:53, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not a lawyer, but it it appears that the Australian Copyright Act applies to Norfolk Island: (under section 18 of the Norfolk Island Act 1979 it appears that Australian laws apply to Norfolk where this is explicitly stated in in the relevant act, which appears to be the case here). Nick-D (talk) 11:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- but Australian or NI law is irrelevant. USA law is all that matters. The-Pope (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Not true I suspect. Surely if the uploader can be identified and lives in the country whose copyright is affected, they could be prosecuted even if the offending image is hosted elsewhere. What that country cannot do, IIRC is tell Misplaced Pages (which is hosted in the US) to take it down. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:38, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- read recent discussions here, PUF discussions linked from my talk page and URAA. If it isn't Public Domain in the States they don't care about the status in the actual country of origin. 1955 means nothing, 1946 is the key date. Of course the chances that it will ever be tested in an actual court is microscopic, but the self appointed image wikilawyers will eventually hunt down your 1950 published images and banish them forever! U. S. A., U. S. A. Come on everyone, join in the chant. The-Pope (talk) 23:01, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- but Australian or NI law is irrelevant. USA law is all that matters. The-Pope (talk) 13:58, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- I'm not a lawyer, but it it appears that the Australian Copyright Act applies to Norfolk Island: (under section 18 of the Norfolk Island Act 1979 it appears that Australian laws apply to Norfolk where this is explicitly stated in in the relevant act, which appears to be the case here). Nick-D (talk) 11:24, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
"Of" or "in"?
Some time ago I created List of rivers in New South Wales (A-K) and List of rivers in New South Wales (L-Z). These were subsequently moved to List of rivers of New South Wales (A-K) and List of rivers of New South Wales (L-Z), supposedly to comply with a naming convention. Today, User:Lady Lotus has moved List of rivers of Australia to List of rivers in Australia because it's grammatically correct. She ha also moved several other river articles. I was planning to revert, but can't find the naming convention that justifies the name. --AussieLegend (talk) 10:21, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Yes, I think the recent move(s) need to be reverted. It's not made explicit at WP:RIVER, but Lists of rivers clearly shows the convention. StAnselm (talk) 10:54, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- However, I notice many lists have been moved, and not just Australian ones. It would be better to post a note at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Rivers, and ask for the convention to be made explicit. StAnselm (talk) 10:57, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- The Wiki convention (WP:NCCAT) is that landforms are "XXX of Foo" wheareas e.g. man-made objects are "XXX in Foo". I have to say the former sounds a little stilted to me - I'm not sure why we don't always use "in". But I'm sure there's a logic somewhere...it just isn't explained at the convention page AFAICS. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
- Grammar; if something is intrinsically a part of or defined thus as a social construct, we shall use of (Rivers of..., Politicians of...); if something may be taken out of, or reasonably exist somewhere else, we use in (Crime in..., Outdoor dunnies in...). As a rule-of-thumb, if belonging to sounds reasonable use of. if not, use in. Sometimes, local colloquialism is at variance which may explain the edits of the contributor discussed above. Crusoe8181 (talk) 10:16, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
- The Wiki convention (WP:NCCAT) is that landforms are "XXX of Foo" wheareas e.g. man-made objects are "XXX in Foo". I have to say the former sounds a little stilted to me - I'm not sure why we don't always use "in". But I'm sure there's a logic somewhere...it just isn't explained at the convention page AFAICS. --Bermicourt (talk) 20:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)
Attention Melbourne editors! Pt 2
Just a follow up on Misplaced Pages:Australian_Wikipedians'_notice_board/Archive_40#Attention_Melbourne_editors.21. Isabelle was in touch to say she was unable to make the last meetup due to an unfortunate incident the day before, but she is looking forward to the next one! I notice the next meetup isn't on WP:Meetup yet, but I'm assuming the "fourth Sunday" routine is ongoing? -- Chuq (talk) 06:35, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Identification of Australian athletes
I've posted this on both Wikimedia Australia's list, I'm needing some people whom are a little more knowledgeable with our Olympic athletes. I have photographs taken at the Welcome Home parade in Sydney which was back in August, but have some photos that I can't identify them.
26 photos have been uploaded but still have more but don't have the time. Unidentified Australian Olympic athletes. Bidgee (talk) 09:55, 16 September 2012 (UTC)
List of Central Coast Mariners FC players FLRC
I have nominated List of Central Coast Mariners FC players for featured list removal here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured list criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks; editors may declare to "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Giants2008 (Talk) 00:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
National parks naming
I recently completed the Template:National Parks of Queensland. It is quite large with 238 national parks, more than any other state or territory. Possession Island (Queensland) is a national park but doesn't have a article about the park. All other national parks in Queensland have articles specifically about the parks rather than the place. Is that the same in other states? Should I rename it or create a new national park article? We don't have an article for Main Range, just Main Range National Park. Does that matter or not if redirects are used? I know we have Carnarvon Gorge and Carnarvon National Park. - Shiftchange (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Welcome to more Misplaced Pages stupidity!
Another discussion that no one was informed about on a page that hardly anyone is going to read yet the Admin whom made the move (both the IP whom listed it and the Admin who moved it as both from the same little country) but refuses to revert the move. Next this page will be known as Misplaced Pages:Australia Wikipedians' notice board. sigh! Bidgee (talk) 09:58, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
- I hope that Bidgee will retract that ABF message above. I have better things to do with my time that check where an editor comes from when reviewing a request for a speedy process; I assess the contribution, not the contributor, and I had no idea that the IP was Irish.
- Anyway, these categories are now listed for a full discussion at Misplaced Pages:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 September 17#Television_navigational_boxes. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:58, 17 September 2012 (UTC)