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Bot report : Found duplicate references !

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DumZiBoT (talk) 22:03, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Web site down

So what's happened to www.newamericancentury.org ? Did they not pay their rent? Har har.  SmokeyTheCat  •TALK• 09:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Site's back up

Site's back up

Check date 4th July 2009. So why is 2006 mentioned at the start of the article for the org 'ending'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.104.77.172 (talk) 02:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Stephen J. Kantany

I removed the name "Stephen J. Kantany" from the list of "Signatories or contributors to other significant letters or reports" - the only citation for it was a blog post, and I haven't been able to find any other evidence of it online, or even of the existence of this person - the only web hits seem to be mirrors of this article. But if anyone knows anything about this person, please add it here. Korny O'Near (talk) 13:02, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Controversy section, what makes a critic notable enough to mention here?

A number of sentences in the controversy section seem to be based on the works of not really notable critics. What is (or should be) the criteria for including a critic or criticism in this article? Bonewah (talk) 19:50, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Disingenuous Use of "Conservative"

PNAC is associated with the neoconservative school of thought. Yet, PNAC's views are repeatedly described as "conservative," even though this disregards the substantial ideological differences between neoconservatives and other conservatives, such as paleoconservatives and libertarians. Wikidave2009 (talk) 03:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Maybe "imprecise" is a better word than "disingenuous" - please assume good faith. Korny O'Near (talk) 23:02, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

calls to invade Iraq PRE 9/11

I believe that to be correct, this article should mention all of the essays that deal why and how to remove Saddam before 9/11, not just after. It seems that this was their first goal in stabalizing the middle east PRE 9/11, not just after. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.245.57 (talk) 16:56, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation page for PNAC?

Disambiguation page for PNAC needed?

See IEEE 802.1X: "IEEE 802.1X is an IEEE Standard for port-based Network Access Control (PNAC)." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.107.184.193 (talk) 12:46, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Calls for regime change in Iraq during Clinton years

Something missing here: "For instance, in 1996 Perle formed a that composed a report that proposed regime changes in order to restructure power in the Middle East."

Formed a what? Committee? Group? Dawright12 (talk) 12:28, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Brattleboro Reformer ref

I've just reinstated a ref cited to this newspaper, which is well-known for its coverage of PNAC, and which unquestionably passes WP:RS standards. I see no legitimate rationale for its having been deleted in the first place. --OhioStandard (talk) 15:12, 23 May 2012 (UTC)

It's an op-ed, not suitable for statements of fact. Eat memory (talk) 05:07, 24 June 2012 (UTC)  Comment of obvious sock stricken by Ohiostandard at 09:51, 24 June 2012 (UTC)

PNAC and biological weapons

I appreciate that the anonymous user has modified the text of this addition to better conform to Misplaced Pages's policies, but the modified text is still very problematic.

This quote has created controversy in the mainstream media, social networks and scientific papers, as it shows the perspective of PNAC on issues like crimes against humanity, diversity, human rights, mass murder, the Nuremberg Principles and racism.

There are a number of problems here:

1. Does the quotation actually show PNAC's perspective on crimes against humanity, diversity, human rights, mass murder, the Nuremberg Principles and racism? I would argue that it does not. The statement that you are quoting comes at the end of a paragraph describing what future wars might look like. It does not advocate that these weapons or tactics be adopted by American forces, it says that some forces might find them useful. For instance, the preceding sentence says: "Information systems will become an important focus of attack, particularly for U.S. enemies seeking to short-circuit sophisticated American forces." If the preceding sentence is referencing what PNAC believes America's enemies might do, there is no reason to believe that the sentence you are quoting isn't doing the same thing - describing what warfare might be like in the future.
2. By suggesting that this quote "shows the perspective of PNAC on issues like..." you are analyzing a quote and drawing a conclusion that the quote does not directly support. That's not Misplaced Pages's role. Please see Misplaced Pages:No original research.
3. You CAN cite a reliable source that makes this analysis. For instance you can say: "According to so-and-so, this quote demonstrates PNAC's perspective on...". However, the sources that you are using don't appear to do this. Several of them, for instance the Guardian and Daily Kos sources, simply repeat the quote without doing anything with it. As such they are unnecessary.

Please consider these issues carefully before re-adding this section. GabrielF (talk) 18:04, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

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