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Your recent edit at User talk:Athenean

Hello E4024. Please be aware that your undoing of an edit by Athenean on his own talk page was incorrectly described by you as a vandalism revert. Users are free to remove messages on their own talk per WP:REMOVED. I have no idea what disagreement you may be having with Athenean, but if you are planning to escalate this, it is not wise to begin with an incorrect charge of vandalism. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:02, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am sorry. I was not aware of that. I thought one could not erase other's Talk wherever it was. Sorry to disturb you and thanks for the information. I will not repeat the same consciously. All the best and sorry again. --E4024 (talk) 23:09, 24 May 2012 (UTC)
BTW EdJohnston, do you happen to have another user name? Regards. --E4024 (talk) 13:44, 25 May 2012 (UTC)
You mean something like a WP:SOCK? Δρ.Κ.  15:21, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

May 2012

You were warned. You continued. You have been reported . Athenean (talk) 18:10, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

You are currently blocked for 14 days due to your persistent edit-warring, incivility, and disruption. You seem convinced Misplaced Pages is a battleground. It is not. Please take the time off to reflect on this and come back with a new attitude based on compromise, collegiality, and consensus. Moreschi (talk) 19:52, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
If this means I will not see the accuser and his copains for two weeks I am very grateful to you for this block...--E4024 (talk) 19:57, 28 May 2012 (UTC)
I meant companions. May I be left alone now, please... --E4024 (talk) 21:22, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

I did not even know if such a use existed until you claimed that. The only thing I am sure is you are one of the copains (friends of the accuser) I was happy to leave behind. So now with your permission I will erase your talk again and request you not to return here. --E4024 (talk) 21:44, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Turks in Anatolia

The Turks came to Anatolia (where they still live) much before 10th Century. The first Turkish peoples (or tribes) to form part of the Eastern Roman (Byzantine if you wish) Empire and to fight in its armies mostly turned to Christianity and after the islamisation of the bulk of the Turkish immigration into Anatolia, either disappeared within the Christian society (some of them) or were converted to islam (most of them) and their previous existence in Rome (Anatolia) mostly forgotten.

One reason the Turks won the Manzikert War easily is the fact that many Turkish tribes, who were within the Byzantine army ranks, changed sides when they realized that the "enemy" they were fighting against was their own kins. (Some of those Christian Turks survive in Moldovia, the Balkans end elsewhere under the name of Gagauz.

I wish to attract attention to the article Bardanis o Toupkos or "Bardanes the Turk", about an Armenian general of the Byzantine army who served between 895-903 for the Empire. In other words, even by then (as early as the end of IXth Century) the so-called Armenian plateau (today part of Eastern Anatolia Region of Turkey) was known as a place associated with the Turkish people, who dwelled in that area, and had such a strong presence to outname the Armenians who claim to be contemporaries of Noah at times...

I hope this information may be useful to develop the contents of the Turkish people article. --E4024 (talk) 21:57, 14 July 2012 (UTC)


Kurabie

E4024, in Greek, kurabiye is spelled κουραμπιές, that is, kourampies (not kouramphies) and pronounced /kura'bjes/. The digraph μπ (mp) is the standard way to render the 'b' sound, as the letter β is pronounced 'v'. The plural is κουραμπιέδες kourampiedhes, pronounced /kura'bjeðes/. Why do you ask?

Yes, there are many people on Misplaced Pages who seem to be pushing their own national/ethnic group. I suspect that this is partly out of an excess of pride (chauvinism), and partly simply that they are familiar with one side of the story, but not others. Unfortunately, the educational systems of many countries do not present a very balanced or complete view of history. --Macrakis (talk) 23:35, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

No special reason to ask kurabiye, I simply saw it somewhere (for the first time) and thought you could know. As regards the educational system, I agree with you. I worked -many years ago- on an official project of reviewing school books (and eliminating hostile talk) mutually with some neigbouring countries of Turkey. Specifically two were not very welcoming; one returned us the books we sent them because there were pictures of females in "unislamic" dress and another (Greece) did not respond favourably to the idea, for reasons they never specified. Armenia was not independent then and we did not contact the "Republic of Cyprus".

I wrote to you because I know I can learn a lot about my own country, Turkey, from some Greeks. You look like a person with whom I could talk...

All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:51, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

E4024, thanks for your note. I seem to remember there was a joint Greek-Turkish study of the presentation of history in schoolbooks some years ago. I was sure I'd find it in the bibliography of Yannis Hamilakis's "'Learn History!': Antiquity, National Narrative, and History in Greek Educational Textbooks", in The Usable Past: Greek Metahistories, but that article focuses more on ancient history than medieval/modern. Clio in the Balkans looks like an interesting collection, too.
I look forward to working with you collaboratively on Misplaced Pages. --Macrakis (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam

Gecmis olsun. Her iste bir hayir vardir. Ister misin simdi de "Ingilizce Vikide Türkce konusmaktan" engellenelim... Sevgiler. --E4024 (talk) 21:53, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Teşekkürler. Normalde olsa güler geçerdim ama..:) Bir mail atmıştım, seninkine cevaben, aldın mı acaba? Bir de bizim konu burada tartışılmaktadır, ister Türkçe ister İngilizce fikir belirtebilirsin, istersen. İyi günler.--Rapsar (talk) 10:38, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Aldim, aldim. --E4024 (talk) 18:21, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Custom wikilove

Nice work
Test to see if this works SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:00, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry to hear that most of what you've received from admins is warnings and blocks. Not an environment conclusive to what we want to accomplish. As you guessed, my post was dual purpose - I saw your post to Dougweller, and thought it shouldn't be hard to do that, so part of the purpose was to show you how to do it. If it still isn't clear, go to Doug's page, click on the heart next to View History, then on "make your own, use Turkish dolma.JPG (or some other option in Category:Dolma), and fill in the rest.
However, I did take a glance at your contributions, to ensure that my message "Nice work" would be accurate, so it is partly aimed at you.
I did have some dolma when I was in Turkey, (although I confess I tried yogurt soup and it wasn't my favorite). I haven't seen much of your country outside of Istanbul, but I was humbled by the incredible history of that city. I live in a place where we get excited about things a couple hundred years old, and in Istanbul I visited the mosque built in 1597 which you call the New Mosque.SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:46, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Next time try a Tripe Soup then... :-) --E4024 (talk) 06:56, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

Dolma and sarma

Understood. I've tried to reword the material about sarma and dolma -- take a look and see what you think. --Macrakis (talk) 21:31, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw it, thank you. That was not the most important issue in WP but it is kind of you to consider my view. That is enough for me... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:36, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
Hurried a bit. (I was talking about smt previous.) "Yaprak sarma" is not used for cabbage leaves, that one is "Lahana (a Greek-origin word) sarma". "Yaprak (leaf) is used only for vine leaves. The other leaves are always specified. Never mind though... --E4024 (talk) 21:47, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

RE: Dessert (pospasto) de cara tostada

Çok teşekkür ederim! I accept gladly this sütlaç, which moreover is the favorite dessert of my wife. :-) Personally I prefer the Baklavas from Güllüoğlu, still better if kaymaklı :-) BTW, I don't know for sure whether they originate from Greece or Turkey, but for sure I know that the Turkish ones are the best in the world! Sevgiler, Alex2006 (talk) 12:19, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Why didn't you tell me you understand Turkish? (I think your wife is Turkish, right? Tell her we have the same favourite in desserts and add my regards. Trying to write something in Italian I began in English, continued in Portugese and ended in Spanish! :-) --E4024 (talk) 12:30, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Ben türk anlıyorum, aba çok zor (but, as I see, Italian is not that easy too :-)) Benim eşim istanbullu. I will tell her about your preference, she will be happy since we always fight about dessert (we reach actually a compromise ordering Künefe :-)). Actually, as I know Turks, most of them prefer Suvlaç to Baklava (but maybe only because they are on diet :-) ). Alex2006 (talk) 12:44, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
No comment on the diet issue. Now I understand why your wife beats you... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:24, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Some Clarifications on Baklava

In Turkey, Baklava is made generally with the following fillings: Ceviz (Walnut), Antepfistigi (Pistacho) or "Kaymak". In the Black Sea region Hazelnut is also widely used instead of the above mentioned other filling nuts. Baklava can be eaten simple, just as it comes but the tradition is eating them either with Ice-cream (Dondurma) or Kaymak on top. The choice is generally not between the two toppings but depends on the time of the year: Summer is for Ice-cream and Winter for Kaymak. (Spring and Fall depends on the temperature. :-) The same topping choices are valid when eating Kadayif, although many prefer to top it with only chopped walnuts.

Now we come to the specialised part: The "Kaymak" we put on top of a serving of, say, Walnut Baklava(s) is not the same "Kaymak" which is the filling material of one type or sort of Baklava(s). This last "Kaymak" is a filling paste based on a vanilla, milk and other whatsoever mixture.

As regards the "Kaymak" on top, which is a milk cream variety, the Turkish KAYMAK (especially made from water buffalo milk) is a "delicacy" all by itself. Has nothing to do with the pic at the Kaymak article in WP. --E4024 (talk) 15:27, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting, I did not know about Kaymak as filling. In Karaköy they have also Baklava with chocolate, but I always refused to eat them, I think is an abomination. :-) About Kaymak, agree 100%. When I am in Istanbul, I often go to a small shop in Kumkapı, more than 100 years old, that delivers Kaymak to the best restaurants in Istanbul, and have there Bal Kaymak... Paradise :-) Alex2006 (talk) 05:21, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

In Istanbul there are a few Kaymak paradises, one of them is between Beşiktaş and Ortaköy. The real Kaymak paradise is Afyon(karahisar) though. You should visit the İkbal Restaurant (not the huge road-side Panayır/funfair of fast food with the same name, the traditional restaurant in the town center) and after enjoying some authentic Turkish food (in this restaurant they only serve veal, no mutton, and they also beat people who dare use the word "kebap" :-) please give yourself a treat of Kaymaklı Ekmek Kadayıfı. If you still not have cholesterol, diabetes and/or weight problems you will repeat the huge portion and will forget the dessert that you now like. (What was it called, Baklava, Baklawa, Pakhlava? :-)

As regards avantgarde Turkish dessert options, IMO, Chocolate Baklava is not a less futuristic fantasy than the "Hamsili Baklava" that they invented in the Black Sea region. Although I am more compromising on "Vişneli Ekmek Kadayıfı" (How to translate this for God's sake? :-) introduced by İkbal -the franchise option- but also served by the conventional restaurant in Afyon. --E4024 (talk) 09:34, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Not qualified

Sorry, but I have done no work in the area of sock investigations, so don't have the skill set, nor the tools to determine if that IP is from a sock. The place to make such a request is Misplaced Pages:Sockpuppet_investigations, where editors and admins with experience in this are can help.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:51, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

If I only knew how to do that... :-) --E4024 (talk) 09:45, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Nicosia

There is still no consensus on the Nicosia status. There has not been a thorough discussion on the issue. Please see my comments on the talk page and discuss before making controversial changes. Masri145 (talk) 07:32, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

I have asked for a discussion regarding the articles on the two municipalities of Nicosia, several days before that. I am still waiting for you and others to come to discuss that important issue, very relevant to the divided status of Cyprus and Nicosia. Greetings. --E4024 (talk) 09:52, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

About the reason for your revert on Turks of Western Thrace article

(Retaliation is not justified in International Law when human rights are concerned. Why do we need justifications for the negative actions of the Greek Government? POV edits reverted.
I am unclear why you reverted my recent edit on this article. Isn't it a fact the Greek Government only started referring to Thracian Turks as "Greek Muslims" after 1983 ? For what reasons do you think ? Whether you believe the Greek actions were illegal or not, it's the truth. Did u revert because you didn't like the truth ? Come over to Turks_of_Western_Thrace so we can discuss all of this and more. HelenOfOz (talk) 13:05, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Do not make controversial edits without discussing and the discussion make it on the article's talk page please, not here. I will see the discussion if I am interested in the topic. --E4024 (talk) 14:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Braga

I’m writing this on the coast near Braga. --MRothwell 23:33, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Enjoy it. Nice place. Eat a Caldo Verde for this scribe, please... --E4024 (talk) 23:40, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
with Vinho Verde. BTW I don't understand why my previous comment appeared as "unsigned" - I placed 4 ~s after it. --MRothwell 23:47, 11 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)
Cheers. Why don't you use the "signature thing", up, at the leftside when editing: Just after the Bold B, Italic I and something like a mini-screen, there it is, before the chain (link) sign. (Couldn't be better expressed by a non-native speaker... :-) --E4024 (talk) 23:54, 11 August 2012 (UTC)
And some grilled sardines. Actually I did just that for my second comment, and in the preview and straight after saving the edit, it was fine, but only for a while...--MRothwell 00:08, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs) s
It's the SineBot at work! Perhaps it hasn't yet got used to the signature change from Mrothwell to MRothwell.--MRothwell 00:13, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
Couldn't be without sardines in Portugal! (What a coincidence, I ate sardines before pasta at lunch yesterday. :-) Sorry pal, I know more about soup, fish and wine than all those gadgets... --E4024 (talk) 06:14, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Stub gotcha!

Misplaced Pages:Translation says:

If the English article does not yet exist, you can create the article on English Misplaced Pages as a stub article, explaining or defining the subject of the article in a sentence or two; then immediately tag your stub article with a translation template.

but Misplaced Pages:Stub says:

no article should contain both a stub template and an expand template

But isn't a translation template a kind of expand template? That leaves me a bit confused :( --MRothwell 17:59, 12 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrothwell (talk • contribs)

Let me recommend you some experienced users who are always willing to help with those things: Richwales, Dougweller, David1217, ItsZippy, Bobrayner, Benzband, Newyorkbrad, Ryan Vesey and many more... (Every time you need help go to one other, like me, so no one will feel you prefer the other. :-) --E4024 (talk) 18:22, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll bug one of these guys. --MRothwell 23:19, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Turkish Cypriots

User:TremoloKid got the template, since he's a n00b, and since you're a regular, I'll just shoot a friendly "Hi, there! I noticed that you're getting close to WP:3RR, and being experienced (or being right) doesn't save us from getting blocked for edit-warring in an editing dispute. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 10:33, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 10:37, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
If you have access to sysop facilities could you see if the last IP that reverted again belongs to the same kid? Thanks. --E4024 (talk) 18:23, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
You know, I don't have checkuser rights, but that is so obviously the same user that I went ahead and blocked him for WP:3RR. -FisherQueen (talk · contribs) 20:10, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selamlar

Son değişikliklerde ismini gördüm de şansa, selam vereyim dedim :) Türkçe Vikide devam etmiyor musun?--Rapsar (talk) 20:28, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Selam. Günlerdir IP çakıșmasını çözecekler diye bekliyorum. Belki de senin dönüsüne ancak yetisir... :-) --E4024 (talk) 20:31, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
Çözülmüştü sanki? Diğer kullanıcıyla iletişime geçtin mi? Onun engeli kalkmıştı.--Rapsar (talk) 20:36, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

RE:Mamma mia

Hallo E4024
thanks for your mail! I know the situation in Georgia: threats (and invasion, as in Ossetia), are just part of russian politics, and a (rough) way to gain influence. :-) someone told that war is the continuation of Politics with other instruments.
About the new gas pipeline, I read an article just yesterday on the NZZ. But this does not mean much. Italy built a giant pipeline wit Algeria 20 years ago, but this did not bring Algeria under the Italian sphere of influence. What I am meaning, one thing is doing business, another thing is exercising power (as does for example France in central Africa), or the USA in Afghanistan. BTW, yesterday I also read that the probable new president of Georgia will be a billionaire emigrated in Russia. :-) About Turkey, I got a lot of info about Turkey from this journal, which is very well done, and is the italian twin of Foreign Affairs. They issued a special number about Turkey ("The Sultan's comeback) end of 2010, but there are often articles about it.

About your visit to Italy, if you need some hints please ask me! I don't want that my fellow Italians poison you...Anyway, remember that we cook pasta al dente. :-) Ciao, Alex2006 (talk) 09:02, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

In my home too; and not only pasta... --E4024 (talk) 09:07, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I will confess you something: since I go to Turkey, I never had fish in Italy :-) I eat all the rest, but Balık only in Turkey, better if cooked directly by our Balıkci, on wood coal (I hate boiled fish). Alex2006 (talk) 11:53, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
P.S. If you want to know where to eat Zampone, :-) you must activate "Email this user" under Toolbox. Alex2006 (talk) 14:16, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I doubt I would ever eat that but I made the e-mail preference change... --E4024 (talk) 14:34, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

August 2012

Please do not attack other editors, as you did to User talk:ItsZippy. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you. Theopolisme :) 11:12, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Sorry? What "attack" are you referring to? --E4024 (talk) 11:18, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
"You cannot discuss with that kind of people. If you believe you can speak to supporters of terrorism you do that please." - from this thread, Theopolisme :) 11:23, 23 August 2012 (UTC)
I recommend you to visit the page of the user who put a photo of a so-called monument to a terrorist organization and tell that user this is not a correct attitude. After doing this basic thing come back and educate me then. --E4024 (talk) 11:28, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Re: Kurdish-Turkish Conflict to Turkish-PKK Conflict

E4025, this move request really should be listed at WP:RM. Additionally if you want to call attention to bad behavior, and what admin intervention, then that request needs to handled at Misplaced Pages:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. Go to that page and follow the instructions. A lot of administrators monitor the page and you will get a prompt response. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:03, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Re listing at RM, it is actually pretty simple. You would just follow the instructions at WP:RM and place this wording on the article talk page leaving out the NoWiki and adding your rational. At bot will come along and do the rest. Good Luck --Mike Cline (talk) 17:53, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

== Requested move == {{subst:requested move|NewName}} Place here your rationale for the proposed page name change, ideally referring to applicable naming convention policies and guidelines, and providing evidence in support where appropriate.~~~~

RegentsPark did it. Sorry, I am trying to avoid making mistakes in highly visible areas... --E4024 (talk) 17:03, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Salsa on chimney

It was not used there as a saying. It was used as a metaphor. Salsa is a kind of ketchup that you get here, in my part of the world. MrsCaptcha (talk) 18:07, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Thanks for the reply. I know that salsa is a kind of sauce (watch a lot of American TV series :-) and means "sauce" in Spanish. I was surprised by the chimney reference only. I thought only Santa entered through chimneys... Take care. --E4024 (talk) 18:14, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Wikiquette Assistance discussion

Hello, E4024. This message is being sent to inform you that a discussion is taking place at Misplaced Pages:Wikiquette assistance regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. TheDarkLordSeth (talk) 19:15, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Warned him. Should the article say something about Assyria? Dougweller (talk) 16:22, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

I thank you. I think looking that back to find the traces of a modern era dessert is a bit exaggerated and I doubt any reliable source can claim such a thing. (Personally I suspect the user's way of presenting things looks more like "I am supporting any theory that makes no reference to Turks", though...) I suppose if there are reliable sources backing the theory why not accept it, but certainly without getting confused that the first person who invented a wheel could be considered the inventor of the automobile. The user should prove his/her claims and convince the other editors at the discussion page of the article. I like baklava but do not believe the article is mine. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:17, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

TBMM + other issues

Hello, as a response to your earlier address, the Republic of Turkey wasn't formed until 1923, (29 October to be exact). Therefore the governmental body commanding nationalist forces in the war was the Turkish Grand National Assembly (Turkiye Buyuk Millet Meclisi). There was no such country as the Republic of Turkey until 1923, therefore it wouldn't be wise to place a country that doesn't exist in the belligerents. The Kuva-yi Milliye was a guerrilla organization that attacked invading forces throughout the war. The Kuva-yi Milliye operated on it's own from 1919-20 and under the command of TBMM from 1920-23. (Remember the war wasn't over until the treaty was signed in 1923). The regular army did the heavy lifting while Kuva-yi Milliye supported them by destroying supply lines or harassing the enemy etc... As for Thrace I don't know what you're talking about for I didn't edit something like that. If I did, please show me. Regards (Central Data Bank (talk))

CDB, I did not say Rep of Turkey, I said (and indeed edited) Turkey. This looks absurd to me, BTW, look how many articles will you find refering "Turkey" in the same period. It is not a question of States but Governments. (Ankara Hük.) This is why I said "then write the TBMM Hükümeti article". (You see TBMM and TBMM Hükümeti are not the same thing, just like Rep of T and T. T has a use of one millennium.) Trakya referansi ise genel bir referansti: As you are editing the article and do not touch there that means you accept it, or not? Benim kafam biraz na to kafa na to mermeraki gibi düz(gün) calisir... Cordial selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 20:29, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

My apologies I was reading the wrong article. If the Bombardment of Samsun is what we are talking about then to write "Turkey" as an entity is weird. TBMM wasn't involved at Samsun, it was the Kuva-yi Milliye. Therefore it should be Kuva-yi Milliye. A reader may ask, what is "Turkey" if not the republic then what is it? To be more informative Kuva-yi Milliye should be written. Selamlarimla.. (Central Data Bank (talk))

No need to apologies here. The real issue is; Samsun and elsewhere was, as is now, Turkey. Size Türkce belirtecegim: Sadece Hükümetlerin taninmasi ile Devletlerin taninmasi (Devletler Hukuku acisindan) degil anlatmaya calistigim. Mantiken ortada bir ülke var ve milli kuvvetleriyle, ordusu ile, sivilleriyle savasiyor. Bunu anlamak zor bir sey degil, sadece bakis acinizi degistirmeniz gerekiyor. Siz ABD yazinca Washington'dan birileri mi bombalamis oluyor Samsun'u? Bakin o dönemde TBMM Hükümetinin baska ülkelerle (Afganistan, Rusya, Kafkas Cumhuriyetleri, Fransa) imzaladigi anlasmalar var; hepsi "Türkiye'nin anlasmalari" olarak gecer literatürde. Moskova Antlasmasini Kuvay-i Milliye mi yapti? Cok rica ediyorum, yanlista israr etmeyin. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 21:21, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Bakin, burada "Government of Turkey" yaziyor. Lütfen makule karsi israrci olmayin. --E4024 (talk) 21:24, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

Siz beni yanlis anladiniz. Misplaced Pages'daki savaslar illa bir ulke yazilacak diye bir sey yoktur. TBMM veya "Turkiye'nin" duzenli ordusu Samsunda degildi. Orda Kuva-yi Milliye vardi. Insan merak ediyorsa eger ozaman Kuva-yi milliyeye tiklayip hangi ulke veya millet icin savastigini gorur. Burda biz savasan organizasyonlardan bahsediyoruz. Ulke, hukumet veya kucuk bir cete bile olabilir. I would prefer if we wrote in English because Turkish is my second language and I don't understand it as well. Selamlar. (Central Data Bank (talk))

Il Cavaliere risponde

Of course! Otherwise I would lose soon my "enişte" honorific title! :-) Alex2006 (talk) 14:17, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Well deserved! :-) (I refrained from the "Il" though, not to enter politics... :-) --E4024 (talk) 14:21, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
BTW, I think that time has come to block the article for anonymous IPs, because the guy from Brooklyn apparently has not enough yet! Alex2006 (talk) 14:25, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Yeni Madde

Yoksa kategori mi? Bence "madde" olabilecek malzeme var. Öncelikle Karadeniz Ek. İşb. Teşk. (BCEC)i alıyorsun. Sonra Turkic Council. Bir de D-8 ekledin mi yeme de yanında yat. Sonra OIC maddesine bakıyorsun. Orada merkezi bizde olan 3 uluslararası kuruluş var. 2si Subsidiary Organisations biri de Affiliated Institutions bölümünde. Böylece, Türksoy ile birlikte tam 7 örgüt oldu. (Biraz ararsak daha da buluruz belki. Ayrıca ileride "eskiden merkezi bizde olanlar" bilgisini ekleriz, Cento gibi...) Şimdilik yeterli malzeme bunlar. Sen hepsini biraraya getirip (wikilinkleri filan ile) bir taslak madde yapıverirsen ben de tepesine giriş cümlelerini yazarım; hızla ortaya çıkar. Birkaç günde ilk ortak maddemizi sürmüş oluruz piyasaya... :-) Selam-sevgi. --E4024 (talk) 11:01, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Kabaca şöyle bir şey yapmaya çalıştım İstanbul için. Başka ne sütunu eklenebilir bilemedim, sana bırakıyorum. Notlar kısmına ise genel sekreterlik mi İstanbul'da, başka bir şeyi mi İstanbul'da gibisinden notlar eklenebilir.--Rapsar (talk) 14:26, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Eline saglik, cok güzel. Sana yaziyorum diye kum kutunda oynamisim. Belki internet sitelerini filan da eklesek iyi bir baslangic olur. Sonra herkes birseyler ekler... --E4024 (talk) 14:48, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Son hali budur. Uygun görüyorsan "List of international organizations based in İstanbul" ismiyle açabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 18:59, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Harika olmus; ama sen acmalisin. Söz, ilk editi ben yaparim; alaturkada oldugu gibi... :-) --E4024 (talk) 19:07, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Türkiye bana pek mantıklı gelmedi, ondan İstanbul yaptım. ABD için, İsviçre için yapılsa mesela aşırı uzun olacağından şehirlere ayrılması istenecektir muhtemelen. Bunlara paralel olarak da İstanbul olması yerinde olacaktır. Ama dersen ki Türkiye yapalım, o ikisini de ekleriz, sıkıntı olmaz benim için :)--Rapsar (talk) 08:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Please stop attacking other editors, as you did on Talk:Angelokastro (Corfu). If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Misplaced Pages. Δρ.Κ.  21:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Your recent editing history at Talk:Angelokastro shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in you being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection. Δρ.Κ.  21:31, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Hellim

Hi! This is seksen not bothering to log in. Looking at the history of that page you've mentioned, I can see nothing lost. No, I don't currently check my talk page. I actually found myself here while I was looking at the AEL Limassol page after they were drawn in the same group as Fenerbahçe (though I'm not a Fenerbahçe fan). But still, should you need anything from Cyprus, you can write it at my talk page, as presumably at some indefinite point in the future, I'll be looking at that page again - but I don't advise urgent requests :) Just to clarify, with "anything from Cyprus", I do not mean, "oh, seksen, could you please send some halloumi from Cyprus?", but stuff like photos, data, brief information, links, etc. --82.145.251.161 (talk) 15:18, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the offer. Recently a friend brought me so much that I almost got bored of eating it (fried, at breakfast) but until you send me some I will again have appetite for Hellim. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 15:26, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Still curious

Here I am back, with a proper user name as requested. As for your comment (to Fut.Perf.) on my IP talk page, I am still curious: Who are "they"? And what specific POV-placing do you have in mind? Feel free to scan my history of User contributions. Regards! --Usually79160 (talk) 07:02, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

2012-09 Gates

"You have a nice user name" (E4024) Thank you. Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

"the last subtraction you did was not nice" (E4024) Why? Visite fortuitement prolongée (talk) 20:15, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

My edit summary was clear enough, however I won't edit fight with you. Good-bye. --E4024 (talk) 20:20, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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List of suicides

Hi, E4024. A belated Welcome to Misplaced Pages! If you want to add material to articles, it's a good idea to use the preview function, or check your edits to make sure that citation errors like this do not occur. If they do, and you don't know how to fix them, just ask another editor like myself for help. For now, don't worry; another editor indeed fixed your citation. If it helps, you can find a list of citation templates at WP:citation templates. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 04:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

If you say so... --E4024 (talk) 09:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

5 reverts in Occupation of Smyrna

You have 5 reverts in this article in less than 12h, which isn't cool no matter the reason. Although I'm not used to report people, I'm sorry but this turns to become very clear that discussion is fruitless. Please read wp:what wikipedia is not. See ]Alexikoua (talk) 22:34, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

I am cool enough. My last edit was correcting your spelling mistake in the "cradle of Greek civilization" phrase. I am not "hostile" against anyone and believe knowledge is for sharing. This is why I am trying to teach you a simple thing about how international treaties are "made". If you have questions regarding this legal procedure do not hesitate to ask me. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:50, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool gentleman with a sense of humour

I really am a cool person. Above above (2 stages) a user tells me I have made a wrong citation and I simply reply to him (or her) "if you say so" although I had nothing to do with the said citation. (Indeed I only added nationality to the name of a folk singer there.) Why discuss on these details? I am a cool guy... :-) --E4024 (talk) 21:55, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

3RR violation at Occupation of Smyrna

Please see WP:AN3#User:E4024 reported by User:Alexikoua (Result: ). If you don't agree to stop reverting, it is likely that you will be blocked. If you want the drafted-but-not-ratified 'Treaty of Sèvres' to be correctly described in the article, you will need to negotiate and not just revert. Since you have good intentions it would be regrettable if admins decide they need to block you to stop the war. Your existing response at the noticeboard is not enough to avoid a block. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 23:33, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your note. I have tried to appeal the user's commonsense on that, even tried to lecture him but to no avail. S/He seems even not to understand that when I refer to "Turkey" I refer to the same and only country, the Ottoman (Turkish) Empire or the Turkish Republic. On the other hand, the said user does insist on not understanding that it is not only that the said "Treaty" was born dead but also it was "signed" more than one year after the discussed occupation. I am really in difficulty to reach at his comprehension. I would kindly request you, as I imagine you may be an administrator but also a user like any else who only wishes to improve the contents of WP, why don't you help the said user to see the facts, or simply edit yourself, as I see you understand my point(s) and that help could not only settle the dispute between two users but also possibly contribute to bettering the said article. All the best and thank you. --E4024 (talk) 08:21, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

reply

I removed it because the article is about an assassination, not a terrorist attack. George Spurlin (talk) 11:00, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Don't remember where I said that you can use that there, but if I did, I was wrong and I'm sorry. Your problem is that you want to tag everything as terrorist, when in fact there are other words in the English language and other categories that can be applied to the articles. Here is a perfectly good Category:Assassinated Turkish diplomats that fits perfectly well in that article. George Spurlin (talk) 11:23, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Replied in your talk page. I request you not to divide the conversation, keep it in one place so people may follow more easily the flow of the logic. I also kindly inform you that I requested an admin to take a look at your recent edits. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:38, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Occupation of Smyrna

The next time you insult my intelligence as you did here with your derogatory language i will report you directly.This is the second time you have done it, i will not tolerate a third. 23x2 φ 18:48, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

September 2012
You have been blocked from editing for a period of 24 hours for edit warring, as you did at Occupation of Smyrna. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions. If you think there are good reasons why you should be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding below this notice the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first.

During a dispute, you should first try to discuss controversial changes and seek consensus. If that proves unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Bbb23 (talk) 22:52, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

Very interesting really. Only 5 minutes after I asked an admin to help me file a case of dispute resolution-arbitration on the same article, whose discussion page is full of my detailed arguments, I am being sanctioned. I am also being recommended to ask protection of the page, although I had done that and been rejected. On the other hand, many admins who would simply count the reverts could see that the party that accused me might have done more reverts than myself on the same article; moreover, without convincing arguments. I will not appeal the block but hope other admins and users come to my help and share their opinions on this. (I mean the article, not the block itself.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 23:00, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Correction: It was 6 minutes exactly, not five; I checked it again... --E4024 (talk) 13:27, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

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Werldwayd

Thanks for your reminder and interest. Actually I wanted to keep "werldwayd" intact as that is my user name in "traditional spelling" (TS). But of course you are right. Since I used "wərldwαyd" in the title, I should use it in the phonetic version as well. Now I've changed it to wərldwαyd as well. You also must have noticed by now that for the sound @ as in "at", "flat", "cat" etc I use another form of "a" which is "ɑ" as different from "α" for the alpha like in "far", "car" etc... I don't like the "a" we have as practically nobody writes it as such in written form anyway. It is just a printed letter that we almost never write that way in handwriting... Some more improvements. Just drop the ph in favour of f as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı etc ... use the z when its pronounced z like in kıdz, armz, legz, but leave the s when it is pronounced as such, like in kɑts, deyts, pαrts as for y it is always a consonant and never a vowel. When a vowel, use ı as in fotogrəfı, fılozofı So when we want to write fly or cry, I write it as flαy krαy (thus avoiding the vowel y and avoiding the confusion of how it should be spelt in words) and by the way just drop the x and use ks instead. For example instead of text, sex and mix, use the phonetic tekst, seks, mıks LOL werldwayd (talk) 12:38, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Let me warn you that you are about to begin learning Turkish, a language that is very lucky to have a (or "one") letter for every sound and only one sound for each letter, although the language itself is not considered an easy one to learn, BTW. When I see your personal alphabet of English I remember Turkish children writing the same way in their notebooks the pronunciation of the foreign language, in their own (Turkish) alphabet... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
It is a good way to learn pronunciation... But there are very phonetic languages in their general design, like Tagalog and Swahili... BTW, I am Armenian and my parents originate from Turkey from a region we call Cilicia. I read and speak Turkish quite well actually. werldwayd (talk) 12:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Ne güzel! Öyleyse bundan böyle Türkçe sürdürelim yazışmayı. Selamlar...--E4024 (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Aferim arkadaş Actually my parents come from Kahramanmaraş... But I'd rather continue in English LOL werldwayd (talk) 13:02, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Actually the reforms in Turkish were through an Armenian linguist called Agop Dilaçar (Agop Martayan) that headed the Turkish Language Association. I like the Turkish use of ç which I use for ch / tch in English like children written as çıldrən, but then the inverted "ə" was introduced recently to Azeri language. But in the same way I like the z with cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television which can be written with a z with the cedilla in similar fashion to ş and ç werldwayd (talk) 13:32, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
We do have the zh sound in Turkish, although always in words with a foreign origin like jandarma, Jale (proper name, fem.), jilet, jöle etc; it is represented with the letter j. On the other hand of course I know Turkish linguists of Armenian origin like Dilaçar, Tuğlacı, Nișanyan and others. Selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 14:43, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
Of course it is distinct as you have the c for the dj sound, so j can be used for the Turkish zh sound. But in English this wouln't be possible as j has a different sound value anyhow, thus the need for z cedilla for the zh sound as in vision and television or genre for example. werldwayd (talk) 18:22, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Occupation of Smyrna

Selamlar. Attığın mail'deki resmi sen mi çekmiştin? Öyleyse senin yüklemen daha uygun olacaktır. Commons'a yüklersen Türkçe Vikipedi'de de kullanılır :)--Rapsar (talk) 21:51, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Copyright konusunu iyi bilemedigim icin yardim istemistim. Neyse bosver, zaten o madde bastan yazilacak gibi görünüyor. Resmi daha sonra da ekleyebiliriz. Tesekkürler. --E4024 (talk) 22:01, 13 September 2012 (UTC)
..it is preferred that you use English on English Misplaced Pages talk pages... demiş -ki ben de tercih etmiyorum :) Resme dönersek, burada olduğu gibi bir lisanslama/açıklama yapabilirsin.--Rapsar (talk) 11:41, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Ben anlamaz. (Ay dont nowz... :-) --E4024 (talk) 11:47, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Speak English

For this and for the section above, please see WP:SPEAKENGLISH. Thanks.--Bbb23 (talk) 00:28, 14 September 2012 (UTC)
Admin Bbb23, thanks, I read it. The talk was about a help request concerning uploading a photo to the article in question, no big deal really. (As you may have noticed since you blocked two users for an edit war there has not been much activity on that article, instead quite some activity on its discussion page. I am happy about that; I paid the price but at the end some people came to discuss how to make better a badly-written article.) Returning to the "real" issue here, I noticed that you forgot to write to the user who initiated the talk in another language, so I took the liberty to remind them myself. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:45, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Keeping it cool

Hey dude, I'm a Muslim too. And I know we get maligned all the time by idiots. But its important to keep everything 100% cool when we do. So its best to avoid comments like these. Because well-meaning people could get offended. If someone's being racist, call out their racism, but don't attack them back.VR talk 14:52, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Cool as a pool. OK. Bye. --E4024 (talk) 14:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Your recent talkpage edit

I don't understand your last edit at the no personal attacks talkpage. Was it a joke or an attempt to make a point? Chrisrus (talk) 17:37, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Of course it was a joke. (I saw you are working very much and wanted to give you a smile... :-) BTW thank you for your efforts to improve WP. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 17:43, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Do you mind if I undo it? It doesn't seem to be helping. I'm trying to get something going. Actually, please, if you would, please give an example of something that might make one defensive but isn't a personal attack in the place of it if you would. Chrisrus (talk) 17:46, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Please, be my guest. Indeed I was intending to write in that blank "It's all Greek to you" which would fit exactly to the need that you describe above; however I am not very sure if everyone's sense of humour is as good as mine, so I chose not to... --E4024 (talk) 17:51, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
I see. Thank you. Chrisrus (talk) 18:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Handshake

The Friendship Barnstar
Nice to meet you.```Buster Seven Talk 15:25, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Help request

Could you please open a "references" section at the article Rodger Davies and add this news report there, as a citation tag has been added there and I do not know much about these things nor wish to spend the evening on something that is certainly very easy for you or other experienced users... Thank you and selamlar. --E4024 (talk) 11:59, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

Did you mean this?--Rapsar (talk) 11:56, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
Man, I already did it all by myself, but if you did anything to improve my copy-paste, thank you very much. Aslansın! --E4024 (talk) 11:58, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish invasion of Cyprus

Thank you for your note. I made no test edits in no article. I only corrected Turkish bias. When i see Turkish PoV i correct it. Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.228.40.79 (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Which Turkish POV? That article is full of anti-Turkish propaganda, let alone nationalist POVs. Read it carefully, with an open mind, and you will see it easily. You removed a part about a very important issue in the article, Greek Cypriot killing of an innocent foreign ambbassador and his colleagues; apparently in relation to the Turkish "invasion". Other than being very important -and may help you understand the mood in Washington D.C. despite the presence of a strong Greek lobby there- this was very well sourced (indeed I remember the event, no idea how old you are and what kind of an education you received) but you possibly think you can whitewash history by blanking WP articles. Do you believe the US State Department learns Cypriot history from WP? It is better -for you- to learn the history instead of trying to hide it. I learn here everyday one or another thing about my country, despite my age and academic background; and recommend you to try to learn something from the WP instead of destroying it. And never again use f words after dead people, be them American or from wherever. (If you are young enough accept it as an uncle's advice.) All the best. --E4024 (talk) 19:48, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

re: Name dispute

I wasn't much online today and had little time to spare but I clarified your request at my talkpage by now.TMCk (talk) 22:54, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Saw it. Hope others did so, too. Thanks again and all the best. --E4024 (talk) 22:57, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
You're quick in responding! I've also edited the name to my comment on the article's talkpage so there should be no misunderstanding about what I meant.TMCk (talk) 23:04, 19 September 2012 (UTC)
And best to you too.TMCk (talk) 23:05, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Bulgaria RfC

Hi E4024. Nobody has yet responded to your question at Talk:Bulgaria#BRD and Clarification and RfC. Your most recent edit asserts that the residents speak either Bulgarian or Turkish. As you seem to acknowledge, this is too sweeping because it omits the Roma, Armenian, Greeks, Vlach etc. Isn't it possible that the article is better off without your edit? I think you are misreading the table at http://www.nationsonline.org/oneworld/european_languages.htm. It simply lists Turkish under the heading 'Other spoken language.' It doesn't say that all the other minorities speak Turkish. Presumably the table is not intending to list every spoken language, so nothing can be inferred from a language not being mentioned in that table. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 15:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Turkish is the second language in that country and I think it should be reflected in the article. (For case similarities see discussions in Turkey article.) My edit has already been reverted like many other things editors are trying to retain about Turkish culture in the Balkans. It looks to me like some people are not happy enough with expelling the Turks from the region but are also trying to eliminate any reference to their presence in the WP articles. (Of course this is not for you.) I would appreciate if you discussed my opinion on the TP of the article; I feel like I have asked a taboo question as no-one comments, in a very discussion-loving topic area like the Balkans... I thank you in advance. --E4024 (talk) 17:12, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
As an admin, I don't want to express my own opinion on content issues regarding Bulgaria. It's just that you might be wondering why nobody responded to your RfC. If you were able to make a definite proposal for better wording, you might attract more support. (Extremely vague RfCs are not a good idea). As it is, it just looks that you were reading sources carelessly. Interpreting this as editors 'trying to eliminate any reference to presence' is surely excessive. Thank you, EdJohnston (talk) 16:09, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Some Koekjes for you

Buster7 has given you some Nice Koekjes which promote fellowship, goodwill and WikiLove. Hopefully this one has made your day better. You can spread the good flavor of Nice Koekjes around Wiki World by giving someone else one. Maybe to a friend or, better yet, to someone you have had disagreements with in the past. Nice Koekjes are very tasty and have been known to be so NICE, they will even bake themselves. Enjoy!

```Buster Seven Talk

Mmmmh, very tasty. No idea about to whom I will give "Koekjes" first as I have to find "someone I have had disagreements in the past"; indeed someone who had a chance to receive a nicely smelling Turkish coffee from me as recently as yesterday, lost his chances as he preferred narrow-minded nationalism and the pleasure of "Turk-bashing" to encyclopedia writing with an open mind... --E4024 (talk) 16:59, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Deprodding of Republic of Pontus

I have removed the {{proposed deletion/dated}} tag from Republic of Pontus, which you proposed for deletion. I'm leaving this message here to notify you about it. If you still think this article should be deleted, please do not add {{proposed deletion}} back to the page. Instead, feel free to list it at Misplaced Pages:Articles for deletion. Thanks!Alexikoua (talk) 14:59, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

I thought you sent me some biscuits; here, have some Turkish tea with them... --E4024 (talk) 15:02, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Kurtuluş

İlk WP maddemi açtım: Kurtuluş belgesel filmi! Lütfen biraz yardım et bana. Öncelikle maddeyi arayanların kolay bulması için birşeyler yapalım (Kurtuluş-Kurtulus vb). Çok ilginçtir, gemiyi ararken bile "Kurtuluş gemisi" yazınca çıkmıyor, SS yazmak ve "ş" kullanmak gerekiyor! Yani o madde de yardım bekliyor. Hadi beni kutlamak yerine develop this article. Thanks in advance. --E4024 (talk) 12:36, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Hayırlı olsun :) Aynı isimde başka madde yoksa parantez kullanımı gereksiz madde adlarında. Dolayısıyla parantezli kısmın kaldırılması gerek madde adından. Yine film, İngilizce gösterim adıyla adlandırılmalı. Bu film İngilizce olarak vizyona girdi mi? IMDb'de farklı bir adlandırılma yapılmış mesela. Aksi bir durum yoksa filmin orijinal adı olan Türkçe adı tercih edilmeli. Gemi maddesine gelirsek, sadece "Kurtuluş" adı alabilecek iki bir madde var burada: İstanbul'daki Kurtuluş semti ve Silifke'nin köyü olan Kurtuluş. Aklımıza ilk semt geldiğinden sade ad olan "Kurtuluş" adı, semti anlatan maddeye verilmiş, üst kısmına da "Başka Kurtuluşlar da var, onlara da bakın" gibisinden şuradaki anlam ayrımına bağlantı verilmiş. Geminin adı ise sadece Kurtuluş değil, "SS Kurtuluş". O yüzden Kurtuluş yazınca direk geminin çıkması doğru olmuyor, olamıyor :)--Rapsar (talk) 15:54, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Tenedos/Bozcaada: the Ottoman period

What is the issue with not using either name there? Churn and change (talk) 20:25, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

BRD: Convince me/us in the discussion page of the article. --E4024 (talk) 20:27, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Fork - bad faith?

I have not been involved in any discussion on Tenedos/Bozcaada naming. You must be mixing me up with somebody else. Churn and change (talk) 20:41, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

There is a "fork" here. I withdrew the qualification of faith only for being kind to you (civility). No more words for you here, please do not come back. --E4024 (talk) 20:52, 25 September 2012 (UTC)
Cool down; I did what I thought was right; you did what you thought best. This split wasn't vandalism, nor was it pushing any particular point of view; how would it? On Misplaced Pages many edits take place, and unless there is an attempt to disrupt or vandalize, don't make it personal. Churn and change (talk) 23:42, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

Izmir or İzmir

Hi, You have moved the name İzmir to Izmir in the article Liberation of İzmir. But up to November 29, 2011, the İ in the original article İzmir was İ and not I .(see ) In WP there is no clear cut concensus on the use of non-English letters of the Latin alphabet. Please see the examples of Nové Zámky, Săcueni, Nógrád. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for visiting my TP. I did so because Izmir was -and is- Izmir in its own article. Moreover, Istanbul is also Istanbul, as these are common names in English. If you insist on İzmir (the Turkish name of the city) instead of Izmir (the English equivalent) other people may more easily request for awkward outdated names in return. These names are not like the case of "İmroz" (recently re-named "Gökçeada"), the name of a tiny island with its special letters like İ or ü and ç; these are large cities whose names are already settled in English as "Izmir" and "Istanbul". All the best. --E4024 (talk) 08:33, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Ogün Samast AFD

This might be of your interest. George Spurlin (talk) 08:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)