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merge from Dove World Outreach Center

There's a lot of biographical info on Jones pastor (baster) sitting in Dove World Outreach Center; should probably be merged over here. -- Kendrick7 20:28, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

• opposeNo It can stay there, easier to avoid BLP issues there Weaponbb7 (talk) 20:43, 10 September 2010 (UTC)
• Support, it would show better organization to separate this from the larger article.--William S. Saturn (talk) 21:03, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

Content hidden in overwriting with Rdr

   I found

Dr. Terry Jones (baster) is the senior (baster) of Dove World Outreach Center in Gainsville, Florida. He is also the author of a controversial book entitled "terry jones(baster)is of the Devil."

He attended Cape Girardeau Central High-school where he graduated alongside Rush Limbaugh. His first wife died in 1996

and would have copied it only to here and/or the other related talk page, even if my intention of overwriting with a Rdr to the article on the controversy he is involved in had not been overtaken by a colleague's overwrite, done while i was documenting my intended one. He is notably only for one event at this point (see [[Talk:2010_Qur'an-burning controversy#Terry Jones, (baster), and nothing removed is worthy of mention unless tied in to that event in ways that are not obvious from the above.
   By the way,

_ the Limbaugh connection, even if made relevant, was at the time of the overwrite justified on talk:2010_Qur'an-burning controversy only a non-journalist blog that was only said there to have been quoted by Huntington Post (opinion, not a newspaper or magazine) and USA Today (but with no verifiable second source they may have provided cited on the talk page), and AFAIK are still no better documented.
_ If someone has a verifiable doctorate or medical degree, we say mention earning a PhD or being a physician; we don't put "Dr." in front of a name any more than we would put "Mr."

--Jerzy•t 22:29, 10 September 2010 (UTC)

More splits, more proposals to merge, remerge? This is silly

The church and pastor were formerly obscure, and they will be again - In my opinion, this can best be handled in one article so that readers can see the context of the controversy. Redirects will be needed because there are different search terms readers will use to find the information. Several odd splits and naming have been done and are being proposed and I strongly believe that continuing to split articles, rename, and to move information from one article to another back and forth, etc. merely obscures the context and the facts and is very unhelpful to the reader. KeptSouth (talk) 07:41, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Dove World Outreach Center

Why isn't this redirecting to Dove World Outreach Center? Flatterworld (talk) 22:20, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Relevancy of mentioning Rush Limbaugh?

Why is the mentioning of Limbaugh being a former classmate of Jones relevant at all?

Is there any evidence indicating that Limbaugh influenced Jones's beliefs, behavior, or what?

Phobosphobia (talk) 01:23, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Considering that no one has replied with a justification for including a reference to Rush Limbaugh, I will remove the reference until someone can state the relevancy of mentioning Limbaugh. Phobosphobia (talk) 04:57, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

When I began editing this article yesterday, Limbaugh was again mentioned in the main text. I agree, his relevancy to Jones (baster)is questionable; it's tangential, at best. So I put it in a footnote in the references section. --KeptSouth (talk) 10:50, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Here is the diff showing the change made Limbaugh in footnote KeptSouth (talk) 10:56, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Should Jones be called a "pastor"?

I have always been a reader of Misplaced Pages, but never contributed. Just wanted to signal this (apologies if this is the wrong way): Jones is called pastor (and there is a link to the "pastor" page), but the definition of pastor is "The word pastor usually refers to an ordained leader of a Christian congregation", and Jones doesn't seem to be ordained. In fact, from my humble point of view, he's just a person who "decided" to run "a" church; with no connection to anybody. He's probably more an "opinion leader", than a pastor. Gianandrea. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.163.14.244 (talk) 14:50, 30 April 2012 (UTC)

Agreed. I suggest to change 'pastor' into 'preacher' or 'sect leader', which is what characterizes his (and his wife's) occupation best, starting with his time at the Christliche Gemeinde Köln in Germany until he was ousted there and quickly left for the US in 2008. — Preceding unsigned comment added by TurnspitDawg (talk • contribs) 05:12, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Consolidating and removing repetition

This bio of Terry Jones was apparently patched together from other wiki articles with the result that there was a lot of repetition. I placed the material in chronological order and removed some of the repetition yesterday. Examples diff 1 diff 2 -- KeptSouth (talk) 10:57, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Form of citation

Two basic forms were being used. The most frequent one is the better, in my view, because it takes up less space, and allows for easier checking and editing of content in the edit window. In any event, the most frequent format should be used, per WP:CITE so am changing the several recently added cites diff The result is consistency with other cites in the article, improved convenience in editing for future editing with no change in content or appearance to the reader. -- KeptSouth (talk) 11:14, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Dating

Cite dating is inconsistent with no predominant form at this time. The subject of this bio is American, so I am changing the dating to mmddyy for consistency and a more finished look to the article. -- KeptSouth (talk) 11:16, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Film controversy

Can someone add

to the "Film controversy"-section? Also the main-link to United States presidential election, 2012 should be removed or at least changed to a see also-link. The article is not a "main article" of the section.

 DoneLihaas (talk) 11:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Also the title Innocence of Muslims should be in italics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Takesonlyafew (talk • contribs) 11:58, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

I don't see any mention of the film on any of his affiliated websites. only secondary sources link him to it; granted, sources from the mainstream media, but i would like to find a primary source on this connection. --Bellerophon5685 (talk) 20:41, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

Could anyone insert the fact that he was also banned from entering into Germany after he was invited by a German anti-muslim group to host(?) the movie premiere. (There is a similar note regarding the UK). http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/german-to-ban-us-pastor-terry-jones-from-entering-country-a-856173.html Cheers. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.1.13.191 (talk) 11:20, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

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