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    Resysop request

    May I have the flag re-hoisted, please? No elaborate ceremony is required. Bishonen (current rights · rights management · rights log (local) · rights log (global/meta) · block log), 07:11, 28 September 2012 (UTC).

    Done, welcome back (and, per tradition, sorry for the delay...) The Rambling Man (talk) 07:14, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    Three minutes!? That's really slow! --Rschen7754 07:20, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    Looking at the log, it was actually two minutes! Thine Antique Pen (talk) 07:27, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    Glad to see you back as an admin, Bishonen :) Snowolf 07:41, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    • as a procedural question, what has happened to the former standard of a hold period for multiple crats to consider whether a resysopping was proper? I don't mean to pick on Bishonen here, but I've noticed it a few times lately that the first crat who came along has flipped the switch, and I remember the dust-ups of years past about waiting for more than one set of eyes. (Checking WP:RESYSOP this does appear to be still SOP at least on paper. Courcelles 17:36, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    The consensus, as far as I am aware, was to determine that the account was not compromised. Bishonen continued editing, so there is no indication that her account is compromised. Reaper Eternal (talk) 17:38, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    That is for inactivity desysops. The practice of holding is older than those, and was originally in case someone (not limited to another crat) knew of a reason the desysop could be considered under a cloud. That just can't be checked in three minutes, and one person can't know all the circumstances that could create stormy weather. Again, I want to be clear, I don't know anything about Bishonen, but this was decided as best practice a couple years back. Courcelles 18:21, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    Well, in this case I de-sysopped Bishonen at their request. There was nothing to be concerned about. So I re-sysopped Bishonen at their request. There was nothing to be concerned about. Nothing had changed. You can check the logs if you like. Of course, if there's any doubt as to why the admin bit was removed, then we'll have to talk about it. (FWIW, I disregarded step 3 of RESYSOP as I was the de-sysopping 'crat and the re-sysopping crat and have been aware of Bishonen's edits during this period).... The Rambling Man (talk) 18:41, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    I suspect the context of his concern is the bottom of this thread, but I agree with TRM's actions here that it is within an individual crat's discretion to resysop, knowing that they bear the consequences of resysopping quickly if a more detailed examination would have discovered a problem. I think it's clear here that any concerns implicate post-resysopping problems and therefore TRM acted properly. MBisanz 20:13, 28 September 2012 (UTC)
    The bottom of the thread at what point in time, MBisanz? You'd better refer to the specific post you mean, because that thread is a moving toyshop. Bishonen | talk 20:53, 28 September 2012 (UTC).
    I'll go with the 17:24, 28 September 2012 timestamp. MBisanz 03:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    Yeah, let's just go ahead and mark WP:BURO as {{historical}}. Barring that, do you have reason to believe that any of these decisions could have done irreparable harm? Short Brigade Harvester Boris (talk) 02:24, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    The intervening event would be the new desysop for inactivity provision with immediate regrant upon request. I surmise that other crats have interpreted this as a per se rule that if someone was desyopped for inactivity, they should almost always get it back. I also surmise that most of the current crats hate having the evaluate controversial behavior and wish that Arbcom would make decisions as to when re-sysopping is not permitted so that the burden isn't borne by a single crat, hence the move to auto-regrant and let Arbcom sort it out. MBisanz 03:36, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    I'll resist the temptation to perform any re-sysop on my own in future, and wait for another 'crat to show up to vet my decisions. I must have missed where all those re-sysoped admins went off the rails or had dozens of skeletons fall out of their closets. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:12, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    No need for sarcasm, I think it was a valid question. Back in 2010, a bureaucrat proposed a 24 hour wait period, and bureaucrats decided this was a good idea -- see archived discussion WP:Bureaucrats' noticeboard/Archive 19#Formal consensus for 24 hour "wait" period for resysopping.
    If consensus among you or community has changed (not talking about inactivity sysops here), or should be considered changed per current practice then fine, and please change the wording at WP:BUR to reflect this -- don't shoot the messenger for asking about it.
    Amalthea 10:52, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    As I said, I won't be doing it again, and will wait for a chaperone 'crat to help me out in future. As far as I know, nothing bad has ever happened following any of my quick resysops, and given the cliff-face drop-off in active admins, I thought encouraging those who wanted back in with no issues was a good idea. Rest assured I've learnt my lesson. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:42, 29 September 2012 (UTC)
    Because it's fun to quote WP rules, I'd like to point out that WP:RESYSOP #3 clearly states that bureaucrats can use their discretion when performing resysops; given that TRM was the one that removed the bit in the first place, it makes sense that he'd consider the bit restoration uncontroversial. So... this resysopping was apparently done exactly within our guidelines. How about that. EVula // talk // // 22:02, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

    In my opinion, I think waiting a few hours to make sure there are no circumstances a bureaucrat is unaware of before returning the bit is common sense, not bureaucracy. None of us can know everything that goes on in the wiki, and waiting for some input from others is not going to hurt anyone. That said, there's never really been a consensus between bureaucrats (let alone the wider community) as to whether a wait period is desirable. I think this (Feb 2010) was the last serious discussion of the issue. To repeat what I said back then:

    The problem with a "formal consensus" on this issue is that I don't think any action will realistically be taken against crats who don't follow it. I can't see an RfC against a bureaucrat for restoring tools "too soon" in uncontroversial cases getting very far.
    That said, I think that bureaucrats who choose to restore the tools without waiting for comments from the community about controversy they may have overlooked, or input from other bureaucrats, do so at their own risk. Should the decision to do so prove to be in error, I don't think a bureaucrat should be surprised if the community's confidence in them is shaken and would, I think, need to consider their position.

    Whilst I encourage a short wait period, I recognise that there's little point in insisting on such a period. WJBscribe (talk) 10:48, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

    Note: My comments are on the topic in general, and not a direct reply to anyone else's comments. I don't see any issues at all with how this was handled. I think some people are getting a little too carried away with over scrutinizing these requests. As has been mentioned, there have been zero instances of a 'crat resysopping someone inappropriately, and I think all of us have enough clue to not restore the admin bit in cases which are potentially controversial. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 01:38, 1 October 2012 (UTC)

    Late to the party, as usual. I see no problems with the policy, or the actions of various crats. The policy is worded backwards, but in essence, strongly recommends a pause in cases where restoration may be controversial. Any crat speeding through a controversial resysop would quickly find themselves under scrutiny. Some of us are therefore more plodding with the resysops, some are less so, so far, so good. --Dweller (talk) 12:13, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

    Notice

    As the talk page thread was referenced above, this is a notice that I have requested arbcom review/act concerning the current situation. - jc37 03:16, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

    This has now been closed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:43, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

    Proposal affecting crats

    See Misplaced Pages:Village_pump_(proposals)#Bureaucrat_rights.27_proposal. Thanks. MBisanz 20:47, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

    An interesting proposal. We don't promote anyone any more (no RFAs, RFBs), we only get scrutinised beyond belief for re-sysoping people, renaming accounts is virtually automated by virtue of the work the bots and the clerks do. Perhaps we should shut up shop and let the admins and stewards get on with it. The Rambling Man (talk) 21:12, 30 September 2012 (UTC)

    Resysop request

    Hello! I apologize for the absence, but I've now returned from Elba, and I do not see St. Helena on the horizon. I can provide my committed identity if necessary, or Wehwalt can vouch for me. Thanks in advance! -RHM22 (talk) 20:58, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

     Done Desysopped for inactivity. Absolutely no questions of fitness on his prior user talk. MBisanz 21:02, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
    Thank you kindly!-RHM22 (talk) 21:04, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
    Welcome back RHM22. A very quick re-sysop... The Rambling Man (talk) 21:20, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
    Thanks, TRM. I haven't seen you in a while. I see you're as productive as ever.-RHM22 (talk) 21:28, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
    Doing what I can! The Rambling Man (talk) 20:16, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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