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Just a question I have on wikipedia - Clarity vs content

I have often seen bad wikipedia articles that contain tons of information that is completely incomprehensible. And usually, when it is to be bettered, it involves the cropping of a lot of data involved to usefully display only a part of it in a concise and better manner.

Is wikipedia just a storehouse of information or is the main aim to be understandable? (By the latter, I DO NOT imply breaking things into layman terms, but using the correct approaches to display the given information, and removing any information that may be potentially useless from the article's readablity point of view, but still might have been considered useful were one to make an exhaustive storehouse of information) If its the latter, then shouldnt the approach of editors be being more expressive without losing the technicality?

For example, I recently edited Sweet Child o' Mine wherein I added the Legacy section, instead of the messed up Cover Versions. It necessarily involved cropping of some, if not a lot, of involved. Would this be considered a good edit?

TheOriginalSoni (talk)

Proposed deletion of Kinetic Finance Limited Scam

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Nomination of Kinetic Finance Limited Scam for deletion

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Talkback

Rcsprinter (babble) @ 23:48, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Abdul Hakeem, Pakistan

Hello, just letting you know I removed your prod on the above article as you didn't give a reason for deletion as required.

Thank you. Rotten regard Softnow 00:47, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey. Thanks for that. But I believe that while adding reasons for our actions is important, it is not a necessary condition for performing what is appropriate, and not specifying any reason as such is not reason enough to be reverted. . (Personally I find it cumbersome, and prefer not to give any reasons if I believe my actions are apparent/correct enough).

Regarding the deletion of content and the subsequent PROD, I did so as per WP:notablity. There was nothing in the article which spoke even distantly of any notablity, and the only way to clean the badly written article was to blank out anything not important. As it turned out, it was just the opening line that remained, leading me to add the PROD. Should you agree to my POV, please do rePROD it, or add it to AfD If not, then I myself shall start an AfD soon enough on the same lines. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

With a proposed deletion there is a definite requirement to give a reason. As to the removal of large parts of the text, well they were largely unreferenced so no telling how accurate or not they may be. As this article is claiming to be about a city, then if said location actually exists it would almost certainly be notable. So I think an afd would be best. Rotten regard Softnow 14:58, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

My bad. Did not see it. Thanks.

Because this PROD was tagged and removed because of a misunderstanding, can a PROD be tagged again? The only reason for you untagging (I suppose) was not specifying the reason for it. Does it constitute enough circumstance for the article to be not tagged PROD again? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:04, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

If you still think it should be deleted then an afd is needed. Rotten regard Softnow 19:26, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:54, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

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Rcsprinter (converse) @ 19:49, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Featured article candidate

I noticed that you began the process to nominate Isaac Newton as a Featured article candidate. I appreciate that you are acting in good faith, but nominators are expected to actively respond to suggested improvements during the FAC; this is difficult, if not impossible, for nominators who have not significantly participated in the article and are not familiar with the sources.
I have withdrawn the nomination at this time. If you feel that the article meets the featured article criteria, please consult the principal contributors to the article (as required per the featured article candidate instructions) to request their participation in a future nomination. Best of luck to you. Maralia (talk) 22:55, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Umm... Sorry but is there any rule in Misplaced Pages that articles whose original writers have not nominated them do not have a chance to get nominated. I remember getting stuck on that once before, where it was clarified that it is not the case.

My opinion is that the article is good enough to make through the FA process (or atleast get GA status) as is.

As for contacting the original writers, almost every change to the article happened more than 4 year ago, leaving not many editors with significant changes active at all.

I do believe that the article does indeed require a chance to go to FA status even if it is without any major editors at the moment. I personally shall try my best to sew the ends in whatever problems exist in the article

Therefore I ask you to reinstate the withdrawn FA nomination TheOriginalSoni (talk) 19:38, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

No, there is no rule that articles whose original writers have not nominated them do not have a chance to get nominated. However, there is a rule that nominators who are not significant contributors to the article must consult those who are. I touched on the reasons for this in my post above: nominators need to be intimately familiar with the article and the sources because they are responsible for addressing concerns raised by reviewers. As far as the rules go, technically you could ask the significant contributors for their input, and then nominate the article if they are not opposed—but you would be hard pressed to respond to feedback at FAC without having worked on the article.

I really don't mean to be discouraging; the article is in fairly decent shape, and it's an important topic that could be a great FA with some work. A FAC at this point would be one-sided, though, with reviewers raising concerns that could not be researched and answered within the usual timeframe of a couple of weeks. I would suggest enlisting the help of other editors, familiarizing yourself with the highest-quality sources, and starting with peer review or GAC. Maralia (talk) 07:06, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I shall send this article over to Peer Review at once, and see if WikiProject Science can do something to help elevate the article's standard. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:20, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 16:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

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I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 18:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: New editors

Re your message: I believe that my handling of the editor's edits was correct. He has for months been trying to add links to his business' website to Valley of Flowers National Park. If you review the edit history of the article, you will see that he has been using multiple IPs and accounts since my interaction with him to try to get the links added and he has been reverted several times by different editors: and the account Trekforall (talk · contribs). -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. From the website name, and the homepage, it looked very much like a site about the place, without any affliation to any business. It was under close look only that I realised that.

And I was unaware that he was using multiple accounts and IP - I was under the sole impression that he was a good faith editor who tried to put pictures without realising why they were not suitable TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:29, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Hala, Sindh

Hello, just letting you know I removed the prod from the above article as it's about a town and therefore likely notable. Thank you. Rotten regard Softnow 22:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I am putting up the article on AfD. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

From Bekdm

Hi! I'm kinda new to wiki and have no idea how to answer to you properly, so let it be here for now :) What I meant about translating an article - it would be nice to have some wiki-tool to quickly add a translation to existing article. I thought I could find some "Add translation" button. Bekdm (talk) 13:01, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

The problem with that idea is that this encyclopedia is in English, and that happens to be the only language which the articles are written in. For any other language, we use THAT language only. Hope I answered your question. If its not the case, or you have any further questions, please do say. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

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I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 19:26, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit summaries

Hello TheOriginalSoni,
Thanks for you efforts to improve Misplaced Pages. It seems however that you don't think that you need to explain your edits (your comments from previous posts), but if you are going to delete substantial sections of pages (like here at Ganish including several sources, and here, and also here) then it is a very good idea to do so. A simple RVV (revert vandalism), unsourced, or similar is all that is required. See Misplaced Pages:Edit summary legend for more acronyms, and also Edit summary. I hope these pages are of some help. Regards, 220 of 20:15, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 07:28, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguation links

Hello, TheOriginalSoni. Thank you for contributing to Misplaced Pages. However, I'm afraid your recent edits to many pages changing links to Militant to point to Militant (disambiguation) were incorrect. Articles should only rarely link to disambiguation pages, and only when the ambiguity of the term is relevant to the context in which the link appears. Just because the meaning is not particularly clear does not mean that the disambiguation page is the most appropriate target. In this particular case, there actually is a separate article, militant (word), that discusses the various uses of the word, and which may be a more appropriate target for unclear links. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 14:38, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I understand your concern at what I did, especially after the number of links that I converted. But as you would see, the militant(word) article was only discussing the usage of the word as it was, and not the word itself. Clearly it was not the place to be linked to. As of when my editing was done, the article actually linked to the words insurgent and terrorist, neither of which could be best describing the term, though being very good at explaining them. Therefore, the first line of the article then was much better at explaining the term than the three other pages I could have linked to. Therefore I thought it appropriate to link it to the disambiguation page itself. If you still believe my actions were incorrect, please do let me know. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:16, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, I don't agree with the removal of the links to insurgent and terrorist from the disambiguation page, but that's another matter. It seems to me that if the article that uses the word "militant" is referring to an insurgent or a terrorist, the link ought to go to insurgent or terrorist as the case may be. If we can't tell what it is referring to, it either ought to be left for someone else to disambiguate, or perhaps pointed to Wiktionary (for the dictionary definition of the word) or to militant (word) if the context suggests that the term was being used in a deliberately vague or euphemistic way. Linking it to the disambiguation page just sweeps the problem under the rug instead of fixing it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 20:11, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I agree that my solution was not the best one that could have been. But I went with the reasoning that something is better than nothing, and did what I did. If it caused any problems, then I apologise.

That being said, linking it to terrorist or insurgent was not useful. While being very similar on many occasions, all three words have very different meaaning and usages. Linking to wither of them was NOT going to work. And as for the militart(word), the article is only useful when discussing how the word has affected English language, and its usages in the language - NOT the word itself. Therefore I went with the best I could, which was to link to the disamb page. I believe it was the best fix at the time, and you may believe otherwise.

Finally, what can be done about the article now is to first separate the disamb page from the actual page, and expand on the actual page. That my edits need to be reverted after this is done goes without saying. When done, the militant page must be describing militants in a way the terrorist and insurgent pages do, making sure to draw a line between the three. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 06:24, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Notability of places

Hello TheOrginalSoni. You asked about notability guidelines for places and geographical features. They are here: WP:NGEO. Best regards, The Interior (Talk) 10:07, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks.

Hello. Can you please tell me what is the rule for railway stations? Are they also considered inherently considered notable. I dont see why they should be though. I am trying to get bad article Dildarnagar Railway Station deleted, but it was dePRODed for that reason. Can you tell me if the article should be deleted? I certainly think so TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Take a look at WP:STATION before nominating. The Interior (Talk) 18:43, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Su-kam Power Systems Edit

Hi,

I wanted to understand the reason for deletion of the 'awards and recognition' category from Su-kam Power Systems wiki page.Ankursharma88 (talk) 15:10, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Firstly, half the things written there were in bold. Misplaced Pages has quite a bit of rules when it comes to writing in bold.

Secondly, what awards the company has won in some obscure award will be trivia. Misplaced Pages is not an indiscriminate collection of facts. The awards section was not going to be any way helpful to the article's understanding, but was giving it the look of an advertisment. The article was actually good, compared to other new articles, and its level must be mantained, not decreased. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

If I remove the bold and also some of the awards will it be acceptable such that it doesn't look like an advertisement? Because I feel some of the recognitions are important for the quality of the article.Ankursharma88 (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure. Do it, and then let's see if the article looks any better. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:59, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Image Help

{{Help me}} - I want to kill myself seeing the condition of the images at Dildarnagar (Ones that have been recently removed by me. Can anyone please Speedy delete those images ? I am not sure how to (Twinkle isnt showing an option for CSD). Thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:27, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

The images are not on en-wiki - they are on commons. On the image page, under the image you will see "This is a file from the Wikimedia Commons. Information from its description page there is shown below." - click the link on "description page there" link. Either use the nominate for deletion in the toolbox in the left margin - or look at http://commons.wikimedia.org/Commons:Speedy_deletion.  Ronhjones  19:57, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

{{Help me}} - Can anyone help fix my archive and archive box so that it can be autoupdated? . If needed be, please change the archiving format, moving the current archives to a new archive number.

http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:TheOriginalSoni/Archive/2012/April http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:TheOriginalSoni/Archive/2012/June http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:TheOriginalSoni/Archive/2012/July http://en.wikipedia.org/User_talk:TheOriginalSoni/Archive/2012/September

I'll see what I can do.  Ronhjones  19:05, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

You now have Archive 1 - it will change to Archive 2 when it exceeds 100k. I've added the indexing bot routine and the talk header to show the index and the archives. The index page won't fill until the bot runs (sometimes) - often around 1:30am GMT  Ronhjones  19:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

That list

Thanks for summarising - I knew mine wasn't great. However, your delete !vote seems to me to be somewhat buried in text. Would it not be better to finagle it so that it appears on the left-hand side as per all the other votes? I know that the closer is supposed to review the entire thing (poor soul) but it took me a while to spot it and I was looking for the thing. - Sitush (talk) 12:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

NP. Thats what editors are for. To help each other around. Meanwhile I am looking to gain some Wiki-experience, especially with respect to building articles and citing. Can you help and teach a few tricks here and there?

Sure. I shall do it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Ask any questions you want to ask on my talk page, when ever you want to ask them. I don't usually bother with talkback templates but if you don't want to add my page to your watchlist then just tell me and I'll make sure to let you know whenever I respond. - Sitush (talk) 12:42, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Just one question for the moment - How to find, add and verify citations? I have no idea how to do that to Osama bin Laden, which I am wishing to improve to GA. Are there any gadgets/tricks etc that help in doing that? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 12:48, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, let's start with the $64,000 question. <g> To find, you have to read. You can get a lot by using Google Search or similar, especially if you work out how best to form the search term. Google also has "Books", "News" and "Scholar", which often turn up different results. If you are using GBooks then you should never rely on anything that is only available to you in what they call "snippet view" - you cannot see the context because you only get a small part of the page. If you feel that there is something but you do not have the full context then you can always ask around and see if anyone has a copy of the book (or you could try a local library etc). We have a great facility at WP:RX where you can ask for copies of a few pages of something and it has a very good track record.

Obviously, you do not have to use sources that are only available online. You might have a book or a decent newspaper or something that you can read while sat in a chair having a cup of tea ... if it meets our reliable sources guideline then it will be ok to cite it in an article. I much prefer to have the entire thing in front of me than to see only bits of it online but life doesn't always work out like that.

Can I make a suggestion? Rather than wander on to explain how to add and verify citations, how about we try a little exercise in finding the sources first? You mention bin Laden above - do you have any other articles/subjects that you are interested in? I'll try to set you a few queries and you can let me know what you find when you dig around for the answers. It won't be anything complicated. Oh, and by the way, I am in the UK: if you are somewhere else then it is possible that we will not see the same results if we use Google or a similar search engine, but we'll worry about that if and when it happens. - Sitush (talk) 13:13, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Thats brilliant. My primary interests are in Science and India. I basically prefer editing anything related to these issues, but am perfectly fine with any other topic too. ANd as you might have guessed, I am from India.. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:30, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

OK, I sort something out. I've been awake for nearly 48 hours, though, so it probably won't happen until late tomorrow. I'm due some serious shuteye if only I can get to sleep in the first place. - Sitush (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Can you find some reliable sources where Amitabh Bachchan comments on the death of Bal Thackeray? - Sitush (talk) 12:29, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

12 Those are the only two I could find. The rest looked to be all copies of the same information. Though I am not sure which of the other sources are reliable... I am pretty sure TOI and Hindu are but are the other sites with this information reliable too? ANd is there anything else I might have missed? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

This exercise was quite easy to do since its very recent and much talked-about news... A harder challenge next time shall be better :) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:18, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, start with the easy stuff. You were right to opt for The Hindu, which is by far the most reliable news source in India. Second-best would be the ToI but its standards are dropping nowadays and it is becoming more and more of a gossip rag. Since The Hindu covered it, anything else is redundant - al those other websites you refer to, etc. Also note that if a story is supplied by a press agency such as PTI or IANS then you will often find it repeated across numerous newspapers, but we should still prefer to use the most reliable of those papers.

Umm.. I thought The Statesman was most reliable of all newspapers, wasn't it? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

• Louis Dumont was a sociologist who wrote a lot about Indian society. Can you find anything decent written in, say, the last 20 years that says Dumont's theories are still ok? And some that say they are not? This is quite important because he is high-profile and so it is easy to quote him but we need to ensure that we cover all points of view and not just take him at his word. Also, we prefer modern stuff to old stuff: things change all the time, - Sitush (talk) 14:30, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

On it TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:44, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Summary on AFD of List of Castes

While adding a summary of arguments is certainly fine in the course of a long AFD, these should be kept at the chronological point of discussion so that new editors can understand the when and why that the summary was added. Putting that summary at the top of the AFD both hurts that and appears as trying to sway the AFD in one direction or another before editors have had a chance to read the arguments leading to that point. --MASEM (t) 17:12, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright. At that time I was really irritated by comments such as DreamFocus where he persistent in pushing forward his POV despite lacking any basic understanding of how the system works. And as for swaying the reader, I believed that if someone from the Keep side could add the relevant points, the summary could just be a good way of helping new editors joining in the discussion understand what the problems are. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Sure, there's nothing wrong with a summary (Which I did simply move, not remove, from the AFD), it's just planting it out of order and at the lead is not proper. --MASEM (t) 14:40, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Got it. Thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:45, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

December 2012

Hello, I'm Wikiwind. I noticed that you recently removed some content from LGBT stereotypes without explaining why. In the future, it would be helpful to others if you described your changes to Misplaced Pages with an edit summary. If this was a mistake, don't worry, the removed content has been restored. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks! В и к и T 17:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

I am not sure how that happened. It was certainly a mistake. Sorry for the inconvenience though. Thanks and cheers,

TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

No worries, we all make mistakes ;)--В и к и T 17:45, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks TheOriginalSoni (talk) 17:55, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Sky City

• I remember hearing about this building, the prefab one that will only take 3 months. I came up with a hook, but as far as the building itself I'm not sure if I have anything interesting to add. "... that construction of the 220-story Sky City in Changsha, China, is expected to start in January 2013 and take only three months?" --Golbez (talk) 18:11, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Its just in the article expansion where I am stuck. I can do the general editing work, but when it comes to bringing in sources and citations and references (and images) and the sort, I really get stuck. So I would really appreciate it if you can help with adding more to the article.

Thanks for the hook. I shall be sure to consider it and try to propose it as an alternate one. Further discussion may be found at Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know#Sky city. Feel free to jump in. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:22, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

• Thanks for the message. Willing to help. I am not experienced in writing articles and have a busy week, but I have also been interested in the Sky City recently and am willing to contribute what I can. Bzweebl (talk • contribs) 18:40, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Hoping to see some contributions from you. It would be great if you could locate a few sources and add some more information. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what "DYK" means or is. If your trying to create an article on Misplaced Pages about it, I think that the article would be in just fine shape to be posted. It'll just need a lot more work and information, and a non-copyrighted picture. If the "DYK standards" is something that is preventing you from posting it to Misplaced Pages, then I'll need more information on "DYK" before helping. But thanks for the offering! ST✪12 23:49, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

DYK is the "Did you know" section that appears on the main page. But for an article to come to DYK, it needs to expand about five-fold in the past 7 days. I am trying to meet that standards to make sure this article gets to the main page, which it(IMO) deserves to. Thats why I am trying to edit the article as much as I can here - User:TheOriginalSoni/Sky city before I post the updated version on the article, thus starting the 7 day period from then.

It would be great if you could help in working on the article and thus take it to the main page! thanks. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 04:03, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

• (from Astronaut's talk page) :I'm not sure what else you have added over the existing article, Sky City (Changsha), that would warrant a DYK entry; nor can I think what you might add at this stage that would meet DYK's rules. What I do see however, is some rephrasing that might have been produced by machine translation from another source (eg. "layers" in a building are more usually called "floors" or "storeys" or occasionally "levels") as well as a highly dubious claim that the project will consume 270 million tons of steel. That is a hell of a lot of steel equal to ~18% of the world's yearly steel production - similar sized buildings have a much smaller mass.

If you are planning a major expansion, do go ahead, but with a possible DYK entry as a secondary consideration and perhaps only if construction actually starts. Unfortunately, I won't be able to help you much. I have had to reduce the time I spend at Misplaced Pages due to a very busy real life schedule. Astronaut (talk) 17:53, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Irritating lines on top

Copied from Misplaced Pages:Help desk#Irritating lines on top: This was caused by a problem for about 5 minutes at 19:05, 3 December (UTC). Your browser must have cached files controlling the interface at that time. Clear your entire cache. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:39, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

And again. How can you request deletion of an "orphaned disambiguation page" on a page that is not a disambiguation page at all? Stop this. This is not consensual, so either take it to WP:RFD or give it up. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 11:30, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Adoption

You can apply directly! --Tito Dutta (talk) 13:56, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Um, the academy said to contact one of the trainers, if i am not wrong. So I wanted to join under you. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 15:20, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

We can start whenever you want! --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:10, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Never a better time than now!! TheOriginalSoni 16:11, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Added your name above. Now, we need a page either under your page or my page. Which you'll prefer? --Tito Dutta (talk) 16:22, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Yours. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:55, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

I have started a page here: User:Titodutta/CVU/Students/TheOriginalSoni. Please watchlist this page. --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:07, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

One new task! --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:02, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

One new task and then first test... --Tito Dutta (talk) 17:07, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

New reply! --Tito Dutta (talk) 18:16, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

+1 User:Titodutta/CVU/Students/TheOriginalSoni --Tito Dutta (talk) 19:03, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Test 01 ready User:Titodutta/CVU/Students/TheOriginalSoni#Test_01 --Tito Dutta (talk) 20:47, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Is there any word limit or something? I seriously doubt I might fall way short of it, thanks to my love for succinctness. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:57, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

There is not any word limit. Consider from this point of view, a newbie is asking you what is vandalism and you are explaining to him. Short answers will not be a problem, IMO! --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:01, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

You can continue here User_talk:Titodutta/CVU/Students/TheOriginalSoni --Tito Dutta (talk) 21:07, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Ahem, don't forget my adoption course, too. Rcsprinter (babble) No, I'm Santa Claus! @ 20:08, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I so totally forgot!!! Sorry!! Will be on them tomorrow itself! Just send me a message reminding me, if you can please do that! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Welcome to STiki!

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IP users

Hi. Thank you for your excellent work on anti vandalism. However, perhaps you could consider not making indiscriminate welcomes to users such as you did at User talk:82.44.166.194. If you need help any time, don't hesitate to ask me on my talk page. Happy editing! Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello. I am pretty sure I knew what I was doing when I put the welcome sign up there. From what I see of the IP, the user is definitely a big contributor of Indian movies and TV shows. But apparently due to a lack of communication between users like you, and him, and his tendency to make bad quality prose as well as ignorance on Misplaced Pages policies; it makes him appear to be a vandal, which he was not, according to my judgement (The fact that he did actually go to AfC implies he is a good faith contributor). Hence I made the welcome. (If you are absolutely sure that he is a vandal, please show edits supporting your statement) TheOriginalSoni (talk) 11:45, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

STiki

How do you use STiki when you are neither Rollbacker nor you have 1000 contributions (on articles) I also want to use STiki please replay me how do you do? Greatuser (talk) 12:56, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

You know that already I think. I requested for it on the STiki talk page, and am under Counter-Vandalism Unit training. Seeing that and my active intentions to fight vandals, Andrew granted it to me. I suggest you also join the CVU before asking for further permissions. That way you can have a stronger chance of getting the requisite permissions. Its always better to know things completely before asking/acting on them. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

You've got rollback now; very impressive work in the last couple of days! Yunshui 雲‍水 13:31, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a ton!!! Appreciate it!!! :D

Btw can you help me by adding the rollbacker icon to my userpage? I am not sure how to do that. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:34, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm guessing you mean {{Rollback topicon}}, which I've added to your userpage for you. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:42, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

That was exactly what I wanted. Thanks. If I want to become a reviewer too, how do I become one? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 13:54, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Check that you meet the requirements at Becoming a reviewer, then apply at WP:PERM just as you did for rollback. Yunshui 雲‍水 13:55, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I probably think I do meet the requirements, and have added my request. It still might be prudent if you can just confirm if I meet the requirements or not.TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:06, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Looks alright to me, based on your contribs - I certainly can't see any glaring errors in your history that would count against you. That said, PC's not an area I've done much work in, so I tend to avoid handing out the reviewer right myself; my opinion may not count for much. Yunshui 雲‍水 14:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I shall wait until another admin checks on my request. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 14:32, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Sapnon Hai Pyaar Ki Kahani

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ACHA

Please refer to wiki policy relating to what / who is and is not notable. If you need, you may refer this matter to a admin for clarification. Reverting the change I made will be viewed as starting an edit war and will be noted as such. Please refer to wiki policy on future matters. Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

I apologise for not looking into it. I saw a large amount of info being removed and hastily concluded it was vandalism/ test. I must become more careful with which edits I revert, and which I do not. My mistake. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

It appears that you are just changing every article that you see. This is not how the tool should be used. There have been 3 edits you made in the last hour which have been changed back by other users. Please ask for help understand when / how you should use this tool. Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 22:23, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your feedback. I agree that I have been hyperactive and way too quick in judging on my first 2 days with STiki. Can you please also point out where exactly were those edits reverted? It will help me understand my mistakes better. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:08, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

TheOriginalSoni was correct in reverting the section blank. the annon has an inappropriate grasp of what is and isn't notable. In most cases articles are filled with content that wouldn't be notable for a stand-alone article, in fact the section he has continued to remove has links to notable subjects with stand-alone articles. His mass section blanking with no edit summary was grounds for a revert. Bhockey10 (talk) 20:40, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Incorrect, wiki policy is NOT divided into 'stand-alone' and 'not stand alone'. Bhockey10 is misinformed, or acting out or self-interest. In any case, the page is reverted to follow policy. Any further change will be noted as a edit war, as failure to follow policy. Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 05:05, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Before you start creating unnecessary allegations, please Assume Good faith. You are making unnecessary attacks on an editor with experience on this topic. Rather than that, why don't you simply talk about the policies concerned and see why he believes those removal were necessary.

Edit war is NOT failure to comply with policy. And you can NOT decide whether you are breaking the policy or him, by edit warring ("That" will be a conflict of interest) Please read the policies you quote carefully before threatening other users. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually I did it under the impression of vandalism; whereas the question here is more about notablity. I have no idea whether it is notable or not; so I think I shall prefer not give my own opinion on that. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 10:29, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

NOTE WELL bhockey10 userbox claims he played on a ACHA team. Thus under wiki policy he should not edit this page as he is in a conflict of interest. Best — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 05:46, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

No. Playing in ACHA does not constitute a COI. It would be one in a similar way that you will be in COI for editing your city's article or your college article. Please do not try such back hand tactics to get your way around in this argument. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 08:58, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Please read the whole policy concerning notable people. Furthermore, your comment on my talk page, while civil is incorrect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 17:52, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I did. And you still stand incorrect. The players involved may not have been notable enough to warrant their own articles, but that does not stop Misplaced Pages from mentioning them. Sasha Obama does not have an article of her own. Yet we do not remove every reference of her from Misplaced Pages.

And my statements on your talk pages are not incorrect either TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

ps - It is a conflict when he lists himself as one of the players. Should breach policy and state his real life identity? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 17:55, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

It does not breach policy. On wikipedia pages, users can choose to be whoever they claim to be, regardless of what they might be or might have been. It does in no way breach any policy nor is he forced to reveal his identity. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:25, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Please re-read what I said. I know who this person is. He also lists himself as one of the notable players. COI? Yes clearly.

Please conduct some research and look at other pages like this have been handled. In over 99 percent, the notable people, have been removed because they do not meet wiki standard. Stop making your own policies. and you want to be an admin. Oh boy. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 20:32, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Do you say that you "KNOW" who he is and that he is replacing his own name in? Wow. Those are pretty strong words.

Please explain where I "made up my own policy". I would be glad to know that. The last statement was unrelated to the argument, so I shall just ignore it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 20:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

If you were to read the policy you would know the answer. Let me make this clear. Lets say I start a 5 year old boys hockey league in Austin Texas. Can I create a wiki article for that league? No, why? Because it is not worthy of being in an encyclopedia. WIkipedia creates standards and policys which are agreed by not just one person but by many, highlighting what should and should no be in an encylcopedia. This community has set a stardard for hockey which is a player has to have played 100 games at or above the echl level to be notable. ECHL is not that high a level if you are to think about it in comparison to the best hockey players in the world. This standard applies not only to stand alone pages, but to notable lists as well. Going back to my 5 year old boy league. This league does not meet the standard of wikipedia. Under this same standard the ACHA falls short. Under guidelines a strong case can be made to have this page removed. The ACHA is not a pro league and is not a top amature league. This is covered by the page which speaks to NCAA hockey. Do you see how this can now be a problem? Every hockey league in the world can create a wiki page and create a list of 'notable' people. What would happen to the creditablity of wikipedia if this were to happen? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 21:04, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

How exactly was the user in question involved in this issue? Did he start the league? Was he putting his own name there? Do you have any substantiative claims to make?

Umm. No. The guideline refers solely having an article under his name, not to be included in a list. Look carefully and you shall realise that this list actually has a well-defined explanation for notablity to be included in this list. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 22:11, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Are you really in university? The fate of this nation is in trouble if you are the future. Please read my argument and stop cherry picking policy. The fact is, these people do not meet the standard of 100 games in the echl. Enough said. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.84.241.55 (talk) 23:35, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Now thats a direct WP:PA. I did not cherry pick policy anywhere. If these people do not meet 100 games policy, then they ought not to have an article about themselves. The article itself has a very well defined reasoning to keep or remove names from the list, and there ought to be a reason before you decide to change it. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 09:38, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

Greatuser (talk) 15:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

New reply and final test

Here: User:Titodutta/CVU/Students/TheOriginalSoni --Tito Dutta (talk) 22:46, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

PERM

Hi. Just pointing out that PERM is admin territory and it's not a voting page à la RfA. Admin decisions are final unless discussed among admins. In borderline cases, users are watched carefully anyway as are all CVUA graduates during their first few weeks of use of new tools. That said, FWIW, the user had already been accorded the use of Stiki which usually requires rollaback, but the Stiki software operator already accorded the access to the programme. If you have any questions regarding this please address them at Wikipedia_talk:STiki. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:16, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I was aware of the fact that PERM was an admin process. But seeing the situation that was beginning to arise, I thought it good to notify the admin and the STiki creator who gave the user that right, with a suggestion of what can be done.

I was not aware that all users were watched by admins. Thanks for clarifying that! TheOriginalSoni (talk) 16:46, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

CVU Graduate Barnstar!

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