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Article names in San Diego area

I get lost in all the sections on this project so I don't know where to put this. A "thing to do" is to correct the article titles for places in San Diego County or City. Many are incorrectly formed and the redlinks on the list of SD city neighborhoods are also misformed. Where should this task go? Thanks, -Willmcw 06:08, July 14, 2005 (UTC)

I've hopefully cleaned up the ToC so it is easier to navigate. I think you should put it in the Projects section. JesseW 06:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)
Most of it looks pretty good. In the beginning I just subst: in {{WikiProject}}, which was a pretty basic layout at that time. Since then I've been looking at other WikiProjects and Regional notice groups and trying to borrow those features that have worked the best. I have tried to organize things as I added new sections but it was a bit of a kludge, and I kept the very "flat" structure that the original Wikiproject template had, which didn't help make it easy to find different sections.
While I've been adding stuff to both the California WikiProject and Southern California Wikiproject, I've also been trying to add the new ideas back to the old Template:WikiProject so that other new WikiProjects can also take advantage of some of the same ideas. Now it looks like I'll have to go back to the WikiProject Template and modify it to match your new organization. ;-) BlankVerse ∅ 08:55, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Los Angeles County worksheet

For renaming the cities and neighborhoods in San Diego County, it may be useful to create a worksheet similar to the one that I've started to work on for Los Angeles County. To see what I've been able to create so far, see User:BlankVerse/Sandbox. If anyone knows more about creating tables than I do, you can see the last table on Districts and neighborhoods of Los Angeles needs some more work. BlankVerse ∅ 09:46, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

If anyone is interested, I've updated the worksheet to cover some of the cities in the South Bay, Los Angeles-area. Almost all of the South Bay city articles that I looked at are barely stubs if you eliminate the User:Rambot-added Geography and Census section. BlankVerse ∅ 15:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

The SoCal WikiProject To do list

Template:SoCalTasksMost of you have probably noticed the "Open Talk" infobox that is up at the top right of the page next to the Table of Contents. I've borrowed the idea from the Utah WikiProject so you can look at their page to see how they are using it. Right now the SoCal version only has some categories listed but no articles. I am wondering if we should just start filling that page up, or should be try to find some sort of consensus on which SoCal articles either need the most attention, or are the most important articles to work on. To the right is a copy of the same To do list. BlankVerse ∅ 15:29, 27 July 2005 (UTC)

Stubs

The {{California-geo-stub}} category (Category:California-related stubs) is becoming quite large (~450 articles), and I keep finding SoCal city and community articles that should have the geo-stub template that don't, so I've suggested over at the Stub-sorting WikiProject that one or more new geo-stubs should be created for California. Right now the consensus seems to be for creating just one new stub ({{California-south-geo-stub}}), which would leave the California-geo-stub on Northern California and state-wide articles. You can join the discussion at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Stub sorting/Criteria#Southern and Northern California geo-stubs. BlankVerse ∅ 15:56, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Categories

This is to explain what I think needs to be done under Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Southern California#Projects #1. Category cleanup:

The other day I was going to try to create a couple of listings (with heirarchy) for the categories for California and SoCal topics, but after a quick examination of the categories involved, I postponed my efforts. It was clear that rather than the quick hour of work I was planning to do, it was going to take much longer than that (especially because I wouldn't just be listing the categories, but would be trying to clean up all the problems that I found). These problems included:

  1. confusing organization of the categories
  2. poorly named categories
  3. duplicate or overlapping categories where all the articles should be moved to a single category and the other one deleted
  4. too narrow a categorization (i.e. categories that will never have more than a few articles)

On the other side of the coin are a large number of SoCal articles without articles, or are in the wrong categories, or are in too broad a category and need to be moved to a more focused category. (For example, a large number of the User:Rambot-generated city and community articles have had their stub tags removed, even though they only have a few sentences beyond the original Rambot article.)

What I think needs to be done are:

  • reorganize the SoCal categories.
  • move articles to new categories that need to be moved.
  • delete any duplicate categories and too-narrow categories.
  • rename poorly named categories.
  • create new categories?

Now the big question: Does anyone want to help with this boring and tedious, but necessary task? BlankVerse ∅ 08:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to work on this. I'll crank my Category Browsing Tools back up(download the most recent database, fix any bugs that show up, generate and put up the results, and that will help clarify things.) JesseW 19:28, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
After about a day of crunching(parsing the cur table to get the id's out takes a long time), I present: The Children of Category:California! Praise, blame, or requests may be sent to my talk page. BTW, I really see what you mean about terrible organization, BlankVerse. JesseW 00:12, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Category layout

From the category list I generated, it seems Category:California is laid out as follows:

I think we need to pick one of the two main geographical hierarchies, and disband the other one.

Regarding the many subject categories, some are pretty obviously on the same topic, and so should be merged, and probably they should be divided into larger groupings and put into subcats in that way. I've commented on some possible mergings above. Feel free to add your own ideas. JesseW 18:19, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Many of your suggested name changes do not fit in the (very-hard-to-find) Misplaced Pages naming policy. See Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (country-specific topics) for the policy, and the Talk page for the reasoning. Also, for Category:California-related_stubs, I know that the Stub-sorting WikiProject has recently decided to change all of their Foo-related stubs categories to Foo stubs. I am going to try to get someone from Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Categories and/or WP:CFD to look at the current categorization to see what names don't match their poorly-documented conventions.
After looking at that page, I agree, and have changed the suggested renamings to reflect that. (In my defence, I just went with the renaming that required the least renaming of pages, not knowing about the as you said, poorly-documented conventions). JesseW 02:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
Where I think some of the biggest problems with names are is related to "Los Angeles" categories, where most of them are NOT about the city or the county, but are about the Los Angeles metropolis (e.g. Category:Radio_stations_in_Los_Angeles. Most of those categories should probably be changed to "Los Angeles-area foo" or something similar. For those categories that ARE specifically about the city or county, they should be amended to say "Los Angeles City" and "Los Angeles County". BlankVerse ∅ 00:53, 11 August 2005 (UTC)
I agree - we need to look into the issue of regions, and how to best name categories related to them. Your suggestion makes sense, but we need to decide on a case-by-case basis which grouping seems best. JesseW 02:33, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Maurreen left these comments on Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject California/categories. I copied them here, as the main discussion seems to be here. JesseW 04:29, 11 August 2005 (UTC) BlankVerse asked for suggestions. Here goes:

  1. Put "Communities" in "Geography"
  2. Put highways, etc., in "Transportation"
  3. Agree on clarifying or separating, whatever, LA city, county and metro areas.
  4. Unsure if this is already done, but consider categories for various regions such as Southern California, etc.
  5. Consider "Business" or "Organizations cat, which would include companies. Maurreen (talk) 03:21, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

LA Skyscrapers

I'm not sure what to do with this info, but I found a list of the 327 tallest building in the LA area here. BlankVerse ∅ 12:15, 2 August 2005 (UTC)

I'm sure it will come in handy. Add it to the External resources section on the main page, if you havn't already. JesseW 19:00, 2 August 2005 (UTC)
There's been talk about identifying the different buildings in the LA skyline in the Los Angeles article, so perhaps that info would be useful there. Theshibboleth 11:50, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

John Anson Ford Theater - pictures needed?

I'm going out to the John Anson Ford Theater, up near the Hollywood Bowl, in a little while, and I wondered if anyone knew of which pictures might be needed up around there... I'll go get on IRC, (as JesseW) so you can respond here or there... JesseW 15:47, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm off. JesseW 16:23, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Los Angeles Power Outage... just now

So yea... the power outage just now... where should we post about it? Make a new page, add it to Los Angeles or what? -- NatsukiGirl\ 22:16, 12 September 2005 (UTC)

Power outages are rarely encyclopedic. Maybe try WikiNews? -- Norvy (talk) 02:54, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

I know that. I didn;t make the outage page that got made... but I asked this question before it was explained what exactly happened... it could have been a big thing. But now it's old meme. So whatev. -- NatsukiGirl\ 03:47, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Jimbo Wales to Attend San Diego Meetup on October 18 2005

Hello, Jimbo Wales will be in San Diego to attend OOPSLA and has agreed to come by and visit with the San Diego wikipedians. If you are interested, you will find more info on my talk page. Johntex\ 00:54, 13 October 2005 (UTC)

Ennis-Brown House

I've added images of the Ennis-Brown House in Los Feliz. It was a little overcast today, but feel free to remove that article from the requested photos list if the images are adequate. Mike Dillon 02:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Very nice. Thanks for doing that! JesseW, the juggling janitor 18:29, 17 October 2005 (UTC)
It is indeed good work! --Siva1979 09:00, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you both (belated for JesseW). Mike Dillon 16:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

User 70.33.74.35

This IP/user has made a few edits today to articles on LA . Some of them look unencyclopaedic, but I'm unqualified to judge. Perhaps someone would like to go through his/her contribs? - mholland 05:37, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Some of 70.33.74.35 (talk · contribs)'s edits looked okay. For example Area code 562. I am wondering where they got the information for those edits, because it it much more detailed than anything I was able to find on the internet. On the other hand, the edit to South Bay, Los Angeles used a much narrower defintion that I've ever seen used for the South Bay, so I basically reverted that edit. I am now going through each edit to see if there are any more problems. Thank you for the heads up. BlankVerse 11:09, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Thanks. The editor sounds like a local, perhaps a bit POV. - mholland 11:49, 14 November 2005 (UTC)
Someone who knows the City of Los Angeles much better than me will have to check some of these edits: Beverlywood, Los Angeles, California , South Robertson, Los Angeles, California , Beverlywood, Los Angeles, California , Crestview, Los Angeles, California, West Los Angeles (region) (note the removal of Baldwin Hills and Ladera Heights!), and Westside Village, Los Angeles, California. BlankVerse 12:06, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Category:Los Angeles, California - Ambiguous/misnamed?

IMHO Category:Los Angeles, California is confusingly misnamed. It looks like it should be for only the City of Los Angeles, California, but the description says that it is for the Greater Los Angeles area. I think that this category should be renamed to something like Category:Los Angeles area or Category:Greater Los Angeles area, and then put under Category:Metropolitan areas of the United States (see Category:San Francisco Bay Area for another California example). 12:01, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

I agree about the problem. I can't suggest a better solution. -Willmcw 20:44, 24 November 2005 (UTC)
I also agree. My preference for an areal category is Category:Greater Los Angeles Area (since the main article is Greater Los Angeles Area). Mike Dillon 21:11, 24 November 2005 (UTC)

Los Angeles, California page move discussion

There is a discussion at Talk:Los Angeles, California on moving the Los Angeles, California article to Los Angeles. This issue needs more input from Southern Californians. 12:29, 6 January 2006 (UTC)

template:PD-CAGov

{{PD-CAGov}} has been nominated for deletion by User:SPUI. Plase join in the relevant discussion at Misplaced Pages:Templates for deletion/Log/2006 March 13#Template:PD-CAGov. 13:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Version 1.0 Editorial Team cooperation

Hello. I'm a member of the Version 1.0 Editorial Team, which is looking to identify quality articles in Misplaced Pages for future publication on CD or paper. We recently began assessing articles using these criteria, and we are are asking for your help. As you are most aware of the issues surrounding your focus area, we are wondering if you could provide us with a list of the articles that fall within the scope of your WikiProject, and that are either featured, A-class, B-class, or Good articles, with no POV or copyright problems. Do you have any recommendations? If you do, please post your suggestions at the listing of all active Places WikiProjects, and if you have any questions, ask me in the Work Via WikiProjects talk page or directly in my talk page. Thanks a lot! Titoxd 18:45, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Wikimeetup Santa Barbara (short notice)

Hi everyone,

Santa Barbara Wikimeetup April 8, time and place TBD. Angela will be in town for a conference. I'll almost certainly be able to attend. Antandrus (talk) 16:25, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Anaheim Hills, California

Anaheim Hills, California could use more editors to particpate in some serious, even possibly archeological, editing. -Will Beback 09:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

I like that there is a boundary map for something that doesn't have incorporated boundaries. It's also cute how the article claims:
Anaheim Hills is identified as its own city to its residents, and the locals that live in Orange County, but the City of Anaheim has failed to recognize Anaheim Hills as its very own city yet
Um, isn't that the Secretary of State that does that... Man, that thing is full of original research ("I recently emailed the City of Anaheim..."). Mike Dillon 14:57, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Wow. That's a ton of original research... Burn it down! 15:05, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for editing that aggressively. The article did have some of the funniest writing I've seen in a while, though that was not the intent. -Will Beback 19:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
It might have been a little aggressive to roll back to April 5, but I really couldn't see any way of turning the additions into something verifiable. I figured it would be easier to put back the good edits that were interspersed with the anonymous user's edits than to massage that mass of boosterism into a real article. I figured that's what you meant by "archaelogical"; i.e. digging out the content from the mess that was created. Mike Dillon 23:08, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

This image is cute. It looks like a fake city seal indicating that the "City" of Anaheim Hills was/will be established in the year 2006. This is too weird; somebody really doesn't want to believe that Anaheim Hills is not a "city". Mike Dillon 02:16, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

It's happening again. We now have a fake {{Infobox City}} on the article with a fictitious "city seal" for this neighborhood (Image:Ahills.jpg). I stopped reverting yesterday before hitting the 3RR. Now, the editor is basically trying to call me out on my talk page. I'd rather not have a personal pissing match with User:Ericsaindon2 and his IP addresses. Mike Dillon 16:23, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Rockero

User:Rockero is currently nominated for adminship by User:Will Beback at Misplaced Pages:Requests for adminship/Rockero. Quite frankly, I think that he's getting a raw deal from some of the oppose votes. I hope that all of those editors who are familar with his fine edits on Southern California and Hispanic-related topics will join in to support his nomination. 04:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I supported him and now he is an admin as well. --Siva1979 08:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Category:Misplaced Pages requested photographs in California

Many articles covered by this WikiProject lack photographs. As part of a subcategorization of the requested photos category, there is now a category for California articles needing photos - to use it, just add {{reqphotoin|California}} to the article's talk page. I have only added a few articles to the category so far, but it would be an easy way to make an extensive list California-related articles lacking photos. I hope you find it useful! TheGrappler 05:19, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Huntington Beach/Newport Beach coastline Photo Project

I drive up and down the Huntington Beach/Newport Beach coastline five days a week from Seal Beach to Newport Beach. I was wondering what people had in mind for this photo project. What pictures are needed/wanted?

Epolk 03:54, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

LACMTA

I'm curious about this. The current method we have for naming the lines is LACMTA Blue Line, the stations being Pico (LACMTA Station). But the other rail lines, they are named differently. The Red Line for the Washington Metro is Red Line (Washington Metro) instead of WM Red Line, and a station named Shady Grove (Washington Metro) instead of Shady Grove (WM Station). Should we rename them to the Washington Metro style or keep with the current naming scheme? Hbdragon88 05:15, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe the Washington Metro more closely matches the naming conventions for common names. However, a specific policy for transportation systems is still "under debate" (see Misplaced Pages talk:Naming conventions (stations)). That being said, I agree that the current naming of LACMTA articles leaves something to be desired. Here's a couple possibilities of what I think the names should be:
The two choices I see are: 1) what should be in parentheses, and 2) how should the stations be named. I'm pretty sure that using "Metro Red Line", "Metro Blue Line", etc. is best because Metro itself uses that naming almost exclusively. This is kind of covered by Misplaced Pages:Naming conventions (identity), but not exactly. I think my personal preferences on the two questions are: 1) use "Los Angeles Metro" or "Los Angeles MTA", and 2) include the word "Station" in the article name. The second thing does not match Metro's usage, as they rarely include the word "Station" when referring to stations on metro.net. P.S. The Pico article should be called "Pico-Chick Hearn Station" since that is its official name, not just "Pico". Mike Dillon 15:41, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I had a similar question which I posted on the Metro Rail talk page. Is the real name Pico-Chick Hearn? The Metro Blue Line page spells it with a slash. I also pointed out 7th St/Metro Center; its actual title is 7th St/Metro Center/Julian Dixon, but it doesn't appear to be very common usage. Hbdragon88 21:43, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Sorry. I wasn't trying to specifically say that it should be a hyphen. Another interesting thing with the link you provided is that Pico is the only one that has "Station" in the name on that page. Another thing to note is that when I was riding the Red Line between 2003 and 2005, some operators (conductors?, engineers?) would use the eponymous part of the station name and others wouldn't. One guy in particular would always say "Tom Bradley/Civic Center Station" and "7th and Metro/Julian Dixon Station" (he always said the word "and", unlike with "Wilshire/Western Station"). Mike Dillon 22:02, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Were they automated? I think I recall that the automated recordings would state the full name, while the human voice would simply say the common name. My Red Line experiences have been all with operator voices and I can't recall any of them saying the "Tom Bradley" (I commute to MOCA, so I get off at Civic Center all the time) - heck, I didn't even know that it had that surname until you mentioned it. Hbdragon88 23:04, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
Unlike the Gold Line, the Red Line announcements were not automated when I last took the train (they may be now). This guy was just really animated. For example, he always opened with "Good morning, good morning, good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Metro Red Line.". Mike Dillon 23:56, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
The Red Line may possibly not be automated. My memories are probably from the the Green ane Blue Lines, as I ride those two for longer times (Green Line takes 10 minutes, Blue Line takes 22-40 minutes, and Red Line is a scant 3 minutes). I know for sure that the Green Line is fully automated; I sometimes hear automated recordings on the Blue Line. Hbdragon88 00:34, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Sunset Strip/West Hollywood photos

Hi all. I'm planning on taking some pictures of the places within walking distance of my work or along my drive to work. I work at 8833 W. Sunset, adjacent to Tower Records. Here is my list so far:

Feel free to give me some more ideas, but for now I'd prefer to stick to places that already have articles. Also, I'm more interested in things I can walk to from work than things along my drive, since I don't want to pay for parking every 10 minutes. Mike Dillon 03:57, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I've completed all of the above images except the Beverly Center and The Roxy. I don't think I can actually get a good shot of the Beverly Center and The Roxy had a bunch of crap parked in front of it today. The pictures aren't great being that it is pretty overcast, but they're better than nothing. Mike Dillon 17:40, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Can you get a picture of a Metro Rapid bus? I'd like to avoid using that fair use image if possible. I just came back from downtown LA and got some better shots of Metro Local, but didn't see a Rapid bus. And I'm still kicking myself for missing the opprotunity to get a Metro Express bus off of the 105. Hbdragon88 03:18, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

I'll see what I can do. Unfortunately, the Rapid buses don't have a schedule and they don't run on Sunset near my work, so I'd have to wait around for one on Hollywood Blvd. or something. Mike Dillon 16:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)