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Hovnatanyan family

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Not sourced enough to understand notability. As the artists are presented as a family we may not decide which member(s) give notability to the group. Maybe only the notable one(s) should have a WP article, not altogether. E4024 (talk) 23:01, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep. Definitely notable as they have been respected painters in the Russian Czarist Empire. Just typing "Hovnatanian" on google books yields 596 results. Hakob Hovnatanian alone yields 100+. Theres no deletion proposal needed for such articles like this when all there needs to be done is sources added (there are tags for that). This deletion proposal is of bad faith since E4024 has been trying to ban many Armenian and Greeks articles he has come across. See: Zahrad, Miss Globe Organisation (he is using this deletion proposal to ultimately ban Araksi Cetinyan which he voted to delete as well, List of Cyprus islets, and last but not least Armenians of Dersim (which has been succesfully deleted because I just transferred the data of the article since I didn't feel I should deal with simultaneous bans on Armenian articles). He has at times used speedy deletions as well. He has consistenly voted delete in Armenian articles like Sarkis Antikajian, Araksi Cetinyan (as mentioned above), and so forth. This also includes him consistently trying to ban Armenian and Greek users See: SPI on me, Markus2685, and more. I don't like pinpointing what he does but because quite frankly I don't care. But all I ask from E4024 is for him to work together to expand wikipedia and be more constructive rather than destructive. Proudbolsahye (talk) 00:11, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Need a Novalgine or something similar? I keep a pack just beside my computer to use in case I come by such edits of yours like the above... --E4024 (talk) 19:48, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep per Proudbolsahye. It should also be noted that the subject of the article is notable enough that there are equivalent articles on the Armenian, Georgian, Russian and French Wikipedias. It is more useful and constructive to initially call for sources and citations (using Refimprove templates) instead of quickly opting for a deletion proposal. Jackal 04:28, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Speedy keep & As long as I understand, "Hovnatanian family" ("Hakob Hovantanian") is common in English. Takabeg (talk) 05:23, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

There are even craters named after them! Proudbolsahye (talk) 05:55, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

• Speedy keep. Nominator didn't even bother to perform any of the steps that are supposed to be done WP:BEFORE nominating for deletion. No effort was made to actually try to find sources on the family/its members before nominating for deletion, and no effort was made to even slap a {{notability}} tag on it for a few days to let others do the dirty work for him—less than ten minutes passed between the time when E4024 made his first edit to the page and when he nominated it for deletion because the article was "not sourced enough". When searches are actually done, as others above me have shown, a not insubstantial number of English sources (to speak nothing of Armenian or perhaps Russian) do cover this family and/or its members in moderate detail—not enough for a GA, but certainly enough for an article of this short length. This is a best a sloppy and lazy nomination, and at worst an act of deliberate disruption on the part of E4024, especially when taking into account the troubling points raised by Proundbolsahye. ~~ Lothar von Richthofen (talk) 07:41, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Visual arts-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 22:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Russia-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 22:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Armenia-related deletion discussions. ★☆ DUCKISPEANUTBUTTER☆★ 22:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Keep/comment The previous arguments for keep are valid. I have to observe that, as someone who got involved in the Araksi Cetinyan delete debate, to the extent where it actually got too much and I had to quietly step back, I have to note that there are obviously ongoing issues/tensions between Wikipedians here which are actually making it quite unpleasant for those that happen to get caught up in the crossfire. Mabalu (talk) 11:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Comment Unfortunately, User:E4024 continuously abuses Misplaced Pages:Civility, Misplaced Pages:Assume good faith, Misplaced Pages:Neutral point of view and try to Turkify articles with his antipathy towards ethnic/religious minorities in Turkey (especially towards Armenians). Where can I deal with these problem ? Here ? Takabeg (talk) 23:00, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

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