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Apteva
Apteva is warned about possible discretionary sanctions under Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation. The restriction concerning Misplaced Pages:Article titles imposed by SarekOfVulcan and logged at Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation#Log of blocks, bans, and restrictions is rescinded by consensus among uninvolved administrators at this noticeboard. Sandstein 20:52, 27 January 2013 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Apteva
During a related edit war, Apteva started a discussion on 2 January, seen at Misplaced Pages talk:Article titles/Archive 39#Common names, regarding the excessive number of examples at WP:AT#Common names. The last edit to that particular thread was on 6 January, with Apteva asking Are any other examples needed, or are three plenty?. Having no other input, he implemented the results of the discussion in the diff above, citing "per talk", but not linking directly to the archived discussion. (Blueboar, not seeing the discussion on the active talkpage, reverted.) Noetica posted on my talkpage requesting that I sanction Apteva, per the discretionary sanctions I imposed above to end the edit war on a policy page. However, since the last line of the logged sanction explicitly said Should a consensus discussion determine that there don't need to be 21 examples, ... that of course will not call for a block I'm not sure that there's a violation here. Therefore, I've brought the request here for independent review. Did Apteva have sufficient consensus for his edit?
Discussion concerning AptevaStatement by AptevaThat was a consensus edit made per the discussion at Misplaced Pages talk:Article titles/Archive 39#Common names. Since it was reverted, it will be re-opened for further discussion. But per that discussion, a clear request was made are there any more examples that needed to be added, and since none were added, the draft was dropped in as required. "Are any other examples needed, or are three plenty?" To do anything less would have been irresponsible. Apteva (talk) 01:31, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, if anyone is warned, it should be those who made the six edits after mine. While it is optional to do a BDR cycle instead of a BRD cycle, there really is nothing wrong with doing BRD, and a lot wrong with doing BRR... and no discussion. Apteva (talk) 22:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC) For the record, I prefer to be referred to in gender neutral terms, no matter how strange that seems to anyone who has not made the transition from calling everyone he and she, and using he for both. He/she, his/her, they, xe, even "it" works, but not he, and not she. Thanks. Apteva (talk) 19:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC) Comment. 1RR is not necessary on WP:AT. There is very little edit warring there and the edit war that did exist was a tag team edit war involving eight different editors and eight different edits. On the other hand reinstating the 1RR at MOS is warranted as the constant edit warring there is still continuing. Apteva (talk) 05:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC) Just as a comment, per WP:ARBATC#The Manual of Style the intent of a style guide is not to provide hard rules. For example, titles are often names of items, and it really should not be a part of the MOS to specify how titles are chosen. Up until October 2007, there was nothing in the MOS about choosing titles, but with this edit, someone who perhaps did not even know that we already had guidelines on how titles are chosen, but did know that we had a MOS, insisted that there needed to be a section in the MOS about how titles are chosen. I think that it has been way too contentious to refer to the MOS in choosing titles, and that all of that material should be moved back to WP:AT. In this edit the bold statement which was not discussed at WP:AT, was made that effectively WP:AT has no bearing on choosing titles, but only WP:MOS chooses titles. Since then much of the discussion at MOS has been about titles, all of which in my opinion is inappropriate, as only WP:AT and WP:RM decides titles, and the idea of "styling" an article title is farcical (styling only applies to choosing a font or font size, and that is done by the browser, not WP). Apteva (talk) 17:36, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Apteva
Comments by NE EntMaking an edit and then declaring anyone who changes it will be AE blocked per Discretionary Sanctions is bogus. First of all, it's textbook involved -- being an admin doesn't give SoV a supervote on the content dispute. Secondly, Discretionary sanctions specifically require "the editor in question be given a warning", and the procedures for administrators specifically state: The log of the incorrect sanction should be deleted and this case closed. NE Ent 13:36, 22 January 2013 (UTC) Comments by DicklyonApteva has a habit of making himself very hard to ignore. His proposal to trim to 3 examples got zero support and got archived, yet he claims it would have been irresponsible for him to not go ahead and implement it, just because nobody extended his list. Very bogus. But is there an enforceable ban against such bullshit? I don't think so. Even his violations of his badly worded topic ban slide by. Teflon? Dicklyon (talk) 23:45, 23 January 2013 (UTC) Comments by Rschen7754MBisanz already gave Apteva a final warning. --Rschen7754 19:17, 24 January 2013 (UTC) Comments by GoodDayI'm assuming that whatever the arbitrators decide, that decision will also apply to Delphi234, which Apteva's an alternate account of. GoodDay (talk) 18:17, 26 January 2013 (UTC) Result concerning Apteva
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Noetica
Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Noetica
- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- Apteva (talk) 13:58, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Noetica (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Article titles and capitalisation#All parties reminded
Here is someone you can warn about WP:ARBATC
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
- 27 January 2013 ARBCOM does not resolve content disputes, their role was just to stop everyone from arguing
- 27 January 2013 Such vitriolic serves no purpose and has nothing to do with improving this policy
- 27 January 2013 After two further edits to fix grammar
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Warned on 3 January 2013 by Apteva (talk · contribs)
- Warned on 11 January 2013 by Born2cycle (talk · contribs)
- Additional comments by editor filing complaint
Focusing on the editor is endemic at Misplaced Pages talk:MOS.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Noetica
Statement by Noetica
Comments by others about the request concerning Noetica
Comment by The Devil's Advocate
This seems like a terribly POINTy AE request given the above discussion regarding Apteva.--The Devil's Advocate tlk. cntrb. 18:47, 27 January 2013 (UTC)
Result concerning Noetica
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