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When the page already has the template redirect {{CO}}, the collapsible option does not recognize it and adds a duplicate {{collapsible option}}.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:07, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

okay, fixed it here. if more redirects are created, I will have to add each one. Frietjes (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

Is there any way to have a bot go back and remove dups or to run a report that shows pages that include the template and the redirect. I don't know how many times I did not notice the redundancy?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:29, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

given that there are fewer than 100 uses of the redirect, you could just check them manually? Frietjes (talk) 16:38, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

N Still not fixed according to this edit.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:05, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

okay, there was a typo, it's now fixed. whoever was adding this {{CO}} template clearly didn't understand why, since most of the transclusions were not accompanied by a state parameter. Frietjes (talk) 16:57, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox NFL player

Over the weekend, I saw your insertion of the tracking code into the Infobox NFL player template to identify those articles in which more than one of the "position" parameters were being used. Do you have the ability to similarly identify all of those articles where any of the presently existing coaching parameters are being used? I believe it would be helpful if we could identify all existing instances of current coaches/former players that are using the Infobox NFL player template. Specifically, it should help focus the discussion on the present flaws in the template's layout, and also help focus the discussion as to which existing parameters should be eliminated as overkill and to better make room for the coaching parameters. Please let me know if you have the ability to do this. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 15:18, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

yes, I could track any use of the coach parameters in {{infobox NFL player}}. I was planning on doing this as part of the merger before it was interrupted. Frietjes (talk) 16:56, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Frietjes, please insert the tracking code, so we can identify and examine those articles that currently use the coaching parameters presently included within Infobox NFL player. Thanks. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 18:22, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

track with Category:NFL player with coaching information. will take some time for cache to catch up and the category to fill. Frietjes (talk) 20:34, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Looks like the tracking category is now fully populated with 377 player-coach articles. I will be reviewing them over the next several days to create a list of issues to be addressed in a merged template. Also, did you see my query in the TfD discussion for Infobox college baseball team regarding the creation of mock-ups? Creating a mock-up or two would probably be helpful in illustrating the configuration and presentation of data in a merged player-coach template, as well as demonstrating the need to prioritize data and potentially remove certain non-essential parameters. Also, I would like to explore the possibility of a "type=" parameter that would toggle and permit us to use only certain parameters when configured for a current player or current coach, thus effectively creating subclasses of the same template. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 21:00, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

I could mock-up a merge of any pair of the baseball template, or provide an assessment of how easy it would be to merge them in a sane manner. I probably won't respond on the TfD thread, just to avoid the drama. I am personally tired of the holding cell being filled with template mergers that were nominated by editors who have no idea how to actually merge templates. Now TfD is generally backlogged due to Plastikspork taking a wikibreak. Closing TfDs and merging templates is really a thankless job. but, I will finish the sandbox mock-up of the merger for NFL coach sometime this weekend to try to move that along. Frietjes (talk) 21:37, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Frietjes, thank you for offering to do a mock-up for the merged baseball infoboxes, but we probably don't need one to accomplish the merge of the "college baseball" and "collegiate baseball" infoboxes (talk about "redundant"). After review, that particular combination may not even require any changes to the surviving template. More like a manual migration to template No. 1, followed by a deletion of template No. 2. I would be grateful if you would tweak your original November 4th TfD to specify merging "collegiate baseball" into "college baseball," but I think that's likely headed in that direction already.

After we see where the larger multi-template baseball infobox discussion is going, your mock-up skills may be useful in convincing some of the baseball editors to merge some of the other baseball-related templates. That may require some thrashing about on the baseball WikiProject talk page to get there, because I don't see Andy's current TfD proposals going anywhere. If nothing else, Andy's TfD en masse has at least drawn the attention of WikiProject Baseball to the subject. It's a very active project, and I expect that several of the identified templates will eventually be merged (if not just replaced with another more common template) after discussion.

I will be very interested to see your mock-up of the merged NFL player-coach infobox when it's ready. As I said, I think it will be a key element in convincing CFB and NFL editors to prioritize data, hopefully eliminate some of the less important parameters that will contribute to a ridiculously long combined infobox, and merge the player and coach data in a compact, presentable manner. BTW, did you understand my question about a "type=coach" or "type=player" parameter that would only permit us to toggle certain parameters for current coaches or players? Is that possible? In any event, once we have something to show, perhaps with several variants, we can go about notifying the individual CFB and NFL editors and soliciting their opinions.

Looking down the road a ways, at some point I would like to explore a potential merge of most of the various college sports infoboxes. The commonality of parameters is relatively high, and having a standardized graphic presentation would be better than the hodge-podge we have. Here again, I think the ability to toggle certain parameters that are specific to certain sports would be helpful and allow us to use a single template in multiple variants. The example would be "Infobox college sports team," that could then enable certain sport-specific parameters by toggling "type=baseball," "type=lacrosse," "type=swimming," "type=volleyball," etc. I know that it may seem odd to you, but there is actually a much higher degree of parameter commonality between college baseball and college basketball than there is between college baseball and professional baseball because of the affiliated universities and conferences, as well as the close similarity in the way conference tournaments and NCAA playoffs are structured. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 22:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Infobox dava

Thank you very much for the improvement of Template:Infobox dava! Saturnian (talk) 21:42, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for template help, request

Thanks for the help at Template:Infobox legislature and at Iowa Senate and Iowa House of Representatives. I can usually figure my own way around, but sometimes that little push helps! Any chance you could take a look at the request at Template talk:Infobox officeholder#Request? My fix broke something else (see here), but maybe you have an idea? --Philosopher  00:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

will look within the next 24 hours. Frietjes (talk) 00:23, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Template formatting question

Hello again. I passed by Template:Former German colonies, wondered how to remove the gaps around the continent names and then thought of you. Do you see them too – and know how to remove them, i.e. fill in the backgrounds? If so, give me the key and I'll amend the template accordingly. Best wishes, 213.246.91.158 (talk) 01:09, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

did that fix it? Frietjes (talk) 01:12, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Alas, no (after reloading page afresh). Maybe it's one of those browser things – I'm using a Firefox-based one. 213.246.91.158 (talk) 02:21, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

...I think I know the cause now: the combined height of the flag and coat of arms on the righthand side of the template. I don't feel either should be removed, though. Perhaps it might be possible to rework the master Navbox template to prevent backgrounds from stretching to fill an image or images' combined height. (In other words, start from a field whose height is the height generated by the image or images, then vertically-align the Navbox accordingly without stretching it to fill that height.) 213.246.91.158 (talk) 06:22, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

oh, I see, you are using a very wide browser. you could just reduce the size of the images, since they are mostly decorative anyway. Frietjes (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Template converting in my user page

Just a warm Thank You for converting to WP:HLIST for me. I like it ;-) Neuromancien (talk) 07:07, 15 November 2012 (UTC)

Cool!

	Relaxez-vous
	Thanks for your editing help, even though I don't always agree with it. You want to see a not-real-time page, look here madridejos.josemariamorenogarcia.es/Filipinas/MUNICIPALITY%20OF%20Madridejos.htm Johnmperry (talk) 08:01, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

A page you started has been reviewed!

Thanks for creating Osamu Kaneda, Frietjes!

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I added some more links, but Misplaced Pages:Biographies of living persons does not mention anything about IMDb. Frietjes (talk) 20:46, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Philosophy topics

Hi!

Why did you revert my edit in Philosophy? :( --81.105.62.223 (talk) 21:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I didn't revert your edit, I removed the extra <br> tags. Frietjes (talk) 21:06, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

TfD Infobox collegiate baseball team

Freitjes, I volunteered to perform the manual migration of the 53 uses of Template:Infobox collegiate baseball team to Template:Infobox college baseball team, following the closing of the November 4th TfD. Several of the parameter field names appear to be unnecessarily long in Infobox college baseball. Is there any reason why we cannot shorten the longer ones to obvious abbreviations, e.g., conference_tournament > > conf_tourn, or national_champion > > nat_champ? Also, is it necessary to use the underscore/space? Please advise. I would like to settle this before proceeding. Regards, Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 01:31, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

we can always support more than one form of field syntax. as far as underscores vs. spaces, that is a matter of preference, but the trend seems to be for underscores. Frietjes (talk) 01:33, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

if I were to do it, I would start by creating a version in the sandbox that translates the data, then use template substitution to do the work of reformatting things. Frietjes (talk) 01:35, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Frietjes, I know absolutely zip about wiki coding, so if you're willing to make the template changes . . . .

I would like to shorten the following parameter field names: (1) conference_short >> conf_short; (2) national_champion >> nat_champ; (3) ncaa_tourneys >> ncca_tourn; (4) conference_tournament >> conf_tourn; and (5) conference_champion >> conf_champ.

Also, I would like to create a new, separate field for the colored background bars for section header text. Currently, the color of these section header background bars is apparently tied to the first color hex.

Can you make these changes? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 03:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

yes, now done. Frietjes (talk) 15:40, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you, sir. Did you also create a new parameter for the color of the section header background bars? If so, I can't find it . . . . Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 16:10, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

no, I missed that, will add that in a moment (using bgcolor unless you have a better suggestion). Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks!

Your edits are very useful. Trying to edit WP is like an never-ending book - there's always another page! Two things I like are standardisation and conciseness. There are another dozen-ish islands I need to add. And do you have any particular reason to change ha to km? - Population-density 'auto' still works with ha, gives /km. These tiddly islands it seems a bit arch to quote their size in km.

As a matter of interest, why change <reflist /> to {{reflist}}?

And why {{ubl}} rather than {{plainlist}} which claims to be better than ubl?

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Tue 10:49, wikitime= 02:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

if 'auto' works with the area specified using ha, then I have no strong preference either way. my thought was that if it is large enough to be 1 or more square kilometer, might as well use that. as far as the ubl vs plainlist, the ubl template can be indented, but the plainlist template cannot. the ubl template can be used in image captions, but the plainlist template cannot. the plainlist template does allow for an unlimited number of entries, but otherwise they are basically equivalent. as far as the <references /> vs {{reflist}}, there is an advantage to using {{reflist}} when you have more than a couple references, in that the font-size is slightly smaller, and it allows for multicolumn presentation, and moving references out of the text using the |refs= feature. for an article with only one or two references, it's mostly a matter of personal preference. thank you for creating all the articles and spending so much time working on them. Frietjes (talk) 14:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Whoa! Edit conflict! I was working on citations, and went to sleep thinking to convert the table in the morning. Wake up, and it's done, almost! I got that list from the official web site. It's lacking in citations, if not correctness. And other parts are very subjective, so will be beating those into shape soon.

I've been doing a lot of work with History of the Philippines (citations) which I want to incorporate into other pages as I stumble upon them.

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Tue 09:58, wikitime= 01:58, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Infobox school

Could you please try to convert Template:Infobox school to use {{Infobox}}? -- Magioladitis (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

difficult, due to the massive number of labels/fields, but I now have something in Template:Infobox school/sandbox. the current issues are, (1) I had to merge several duplicate fields, so there will need to be some tracking to see if someone is using duplicate parameter names, (2) I had section the template using child infoboxes, so there will be two additional headers, and (3) I still need to double check for typos, and generate some test cases. Frietjes (talk) 22:32, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Nice work! Let me know if I can help. I always thought that template was a royal mess, with the massive number of options. Plastikspork _―Œ 02:19, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Did the new version come live? -- Magioladitis (talk) 20:29, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

it's in the sandbox. the minor hang-ups at the moment are (1) possible transclusion depth issues, since the new version has to use nested infoboxes to get around the 100 label limit, and (2) there are now merged duplicate fields that need to be checked and fixed. if you look through the sandbox code, you will see several {{#if:{{{a|}}}|{{{a}}}|{{{b|}}}}} statements. each of these is a merged field that needs to be tracked. it would also be nice to have a list of all the fields in use, with the number of uses, so we could remove some of the underused parameters. it's possible that with some fields cut, I could make the whole template use fewer than 100 rows, and get around the limit, and avoid possible transclusion depth issues. Frietjes (talk) 15:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

I support any actions in the direction of simplification. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:16, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Template:County_Roscommon

Apologies if my edit on Template:County_Roscommon was flawed. The template is not displaying correctly in articles - I was trying to fix this. For example, on the Knockcroghery and Roscommon articles, the "towns" list is different to that of the template itself. Any help / advice with fixing this problem would be appreciated.137.191.234.148 (talk) 10:19, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

titlestyle

Oh dear Lord above, please wait! I coloured the titles of these navboxes (claret for bishops, yellow for dioceses, blue for deans and green for archdeacons) in order to bring a little variety and colour into the proceedings! Why on earth not, Sir? DBD 00:24, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I must abed now, but, while I look forward to discussing, I do wonder if you might hold fire on the R – it was a PITA making the edits and I shall be somewhat hacked off if that work is suddenly undone... DBD 00:26, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Navbox

Hey. Just a quick note, that {{sidebar}} templates are also categorized as "navboxes" according to Misplaced Pages:Navigation templates (and our entire category system). I'd suggest that you revert or merge the recent changes you made to various sidebar templates, eg . Thanks :) —Quiddity (talk) 04:04, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I am almost always watching TV when I am adding {{collapsible option}}. I rarely pay attention to pages that refuse the template (assuming it is already on the page). I also often don't pay attention to the resulting template and would miss sidebars.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:54, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

A popup sounds useful.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 16:59, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Mlb playoffs navbox

thanks. that's exactly what I was going for. CRRaysHead90 | 20:05, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

dfn lists

Thanks for the tip on template structuring and sorry about duplicate noinclude (an accidental side effect of cuttind and pasting)

Plucas58 (talk) 22:23, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Country topics

Hello, Frietjes -- Thanks for your input at Template:Country topics. Yes, I've switched the "template_state" back to "state" so it's in step with templates and documentation elsewhere. (I thought it might be confusing since "state" can mean "country", etc, etc.)

Incidentally, are you seeing the flag icons in the titlebar? They seem to have disappeared here. But I can't see anything amiss in the code. (It uses Template:Flagicon.)

CsDix (talk) 18:35, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

PS Just received and responded to your message on my talkpage. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CsDix (talk • contribs) 18:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

It's okay, I think I figured out what to do. Thanks for the heads-up. CsDix (talk) 18:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Update: Looks like the "image" parameter isn't working either -- Template:Andorra topics should be displaying Andorra's coat of arms on its righthand side. Any advice on any of this welcome. CsDix (talk) 19:07, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Hey...

Just happen to've seen this:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template%3AAfghanistan_topics&diff=525397443&oldid=525383212

Ummm... why? CsDix (talk) 20:48, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

And now this:

• http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Template%3AAlgeria_topics&diff=525398100&oldid=525383701

Are you going around undoing bits of what I'm doing without at least pointing out why you think those bits are mistaken or a waste of time? In other words, happily letting me continue to waste some of both our times? I hope I'm misunderstanding what's going on here. CsDix (talk) 20:59, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your replies, Freijes:

• the place to add this usage note is in {{collapsible option}}, not in the transclusions, especially if you plan to add this to many different templates.

  I have made an edit request to add the feature to collapsible option (see here)

  I didn't try adding it to {{collapsible option}} as I imagine many (most?) templates don't have this option, but I do think it's something that may as well be possible. Thanks for adding the request.

• as for the fixes to WP:HLIST, the parenthetical sections are sublists, and should use a sublist markup

  The drawback I've seen with the one-asterisk two-asterisk N-asterisk etc method -- neat though it is -- is that it allows trailing parentheses to be linewrapped away from their preceding link. (In other words, things like:

  .....  ·  ·

  () · .....

  rather than

  .....  ·  ·

  () ·  · ...)

  Hence my resort to " (" before a newline starting with a single asterisk. I see your point, though, about it creating a mangled semantics. In that case:

• if you would like other editors to comment, I can post a note at WT:Accessibility.

  I imagine this linewrapping wrinkle can be ironed out, so perhaps posting a note/request to that effect is worthwhile..?

I hope you understand my feeling a bit perturbed about your appearing to shadow what I'm doing and undoing some of it without at least trying to ask/persuade me not to continue doing it (and thereby wasting ever more of both our times). Perhaps, though, you have been stung as a result before? In this case, as I'm hopeful the issues above can be sorted out, I'm happy to omit the "possible to omit state=" lines and, when appropriate, start using more than one asterisk per line. Accordingly, I'll now amend any country-topics templates I've left using them.

CsDix (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

PS Is this the best/approved way to go about conversations here on Misplaced Pages, i.e. each person replies on the other person's talkpage?

I can reply here or on your talk page, or on both, whatever works for you. I can see how it looks like I am following you, but if you check the edit history of the "country topics" templates, you will find that I have been editing them for over a year, so they are all on my watch list. if you would like to change the line wrapping functionality in WP:HLIST, I suggest starting a thread at MediaWiki talk:Common.css. I, personally, don't mind that it wraps the line, and find that it does a perfectly fine job in adding the bullets for sublists. Frietjes (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Leaving replies here seems to be fine. I was just wondering whether it's usually done the other way. I'm guessing it isn't possible to see what other editors have on their watchlists (and for how long), so I imagine it's easy to forget how what's maintenance to one editor might look to another. Something for me to try to remember as well.

I also meant to include above that your #ifexist:media: "hack" in the Country topics template seems to be working well -- and seems to be what's supposed to be done rather than a mere "hack"! Thanks.

CsDix (talk) 22:37, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

PS I'll explore MediaWiki talk:Common.css, hopefully learn some more, then leave my observation/request -- unless I learn how it can be handled. (If so, I'll pass it on.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by CsDix (talk • contribs) 22:39, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

yes, the #ifexist:media isn't the hack, but the renumber of the groups and lists to get the image to appear is a hack. something to keep in mind is that "#ifexist" is considered a semi-expensive parserfunction, although not as expensive as some string manipulation templates like {{str left}}, {{str right}}, and {{str find}}. this isn't a big problem unless you try to use too many on one page. you can get an idea of the current expense of templates on a page by looking at the page source, where you will find performance information in a comment near the bottom of the page. Frietjes (talk) 22:43, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

I see what you were referring to now: the "Optional custom group 1" section, yes? I like it -- and if, for some (good) reason, Navbox needs to yoke the image to list1, then I say it's more of a neat workround than a hack. I was thinking of trying to emulate it for any occasions when there might be no history group nor a custom1 group -- but then thought that's probably very unlikely..? CsDix (talk) 23:15, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

yes, I think making that more complicated can wait until it is actually needed. by the way, it would be great if you could use {{small}} instead of <small>...</small>. there is a minor difference in appearance, but the {{small}} makes the text slightly larger, and will likely be modified into a css class, allowing for an override in one's personal css file. Frietjes (talk) 23:21, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

Understood. Will try to remember. It looks like you'll already have the pages I'm likely to visit on your watchlist, so, if you see me slipping back to <small>, please prod. (Similarly if there's anything else you'd want me to consider doing differently or not at all.) CsDix (talk) 00:32, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Need help

I added an item to the end of the Bantayan Island Notable dates table which was supposed to inlude a footnote containing a location map. It doesn't work - all I get is some sort of gearwheel. I tried the Template:Location map outside the table and that doesn't work either. I know Location map is a tricky beast. What have I done wrong?

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Thu 10:43, wikitime= 02:43, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Belay that! I've just seen the location is off this map, which I suppose doesn't help. Maybe. John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Thu 10:48, wikitime= 02:48, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Location map Bantayan throws all kinds of bizarre errors when I tried to add a category. In fact right back to start. John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Thu 10:55, wikitime= 02:55, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) You need to put the categories inside the <noinclude>...</noinclude>, and it looks like you forgot the pipe between the "Location map" and "Bantayan". Cheers! Plastikspork _―Œ 03:38, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm confused about Template:Location map|Bantayan and Template:Location map Bantayan Looks good now. John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Thu 12:05, wikitime=

yes, thank you plastikspork. the difference is that one calls "Template:Location map", and passes the value "Bantayan" as the first parameter. the other just calls "Template:Location map Bantayan", which just provides parameters, and does not create the map. Frietjes (talk) 16:15, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

CO issue

What can you do about templates like Template:History of the Hebrew language?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:07, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Just passing by: Convert it into a "sidebar" template? CsDix (talk) 15:03, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

yes, that's the solution. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Curious

Hello again. What do you make of this..?:

• commons:Category:Anhui (shouldn't appear as a red link)
• Code: {{#ifexist:commons:Category:Anhui |okay}}
• Result:

Am I (not) doing something I should(n't)? CsDix (talk) 15:09, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

I believe the #ifexist only works locally, so you can't use it for checking to see if things exist on commons. the two clues are that (1) if you create a link to a non-existing commons category (e.g., commons:category:dne), or non-existing interwiki link (e.g., de:nicht nicht nicht), it will not appear in red and (2) links to commons are in a lighter shade of blue. I did see you add this to the template, and forgot to warn you about it. Frietjes (talk) 16:08, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for confirming what should've occurred to me anyway (Commons =/= Misplaced Pages). As you may've already seen, I've now implemented a manual way to generate the link if desired ("_commonslink" parameter). CsDix (talk) 20:42, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Template:Navbox

When a template has {{Template:Navbox rather than {{Navbox, your popup appears for no reason.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:15, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

fixed. Frietjes (talk) 15:50, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks

Just to say thanks for tidying up the images on Monteverde Angel. Looks much better now! MagistraMundi (talk) 09:31, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

You have a new message at CsDix's talk page. CsDix (talk) 22:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC) (Yes, I've discovered {{whisperback}}!)
You have a new message at CsDix's talk page. CsDix (talk) 00:33, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Cricketers in need of help

I created Category:Infobox cricketer using deprecated parameters after updating infobox cricketer. But it doesn't seem to work. Can you have a look please? -- Magioladitis (talk) 08:29, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

yes, I believe I fixed it, be careful about adding extra newlines, and closing the comments. Frietjes (talk) 15:27, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Substitute parameters for one parameter within template code?

Hello again Frietjes,

I was just plugging a loophole in {{Country topics}} when it occurred to me that it'd reduce the code's density if the repeated instances of {{{country|{{{territory|{{{region|}}}}}}}}} (with or without that final pipe) could be replaced with something shorter, e.g. {{{place|}}} (with or without pipe). Is that possible (and, if so, worthwhile)..? CsDix (talk) 10:57, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

the only major benefit would be making the code easier to read. I know that some templates where there is a real need to support multiple parameters use a "core" subtemplate, like {{infobox mountain}}. given the newness of the code, I would say changing them all to use |place= or |region= probably wouldn't be a big problem if you like that better. Frietjes (talk) 15:31, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your thoughts. My second/third ones are to leave things as they are, as I reckon it's better to keep the choice between country / territory / region (and maybe something else in future) rather than unwittingly promote confusion between what's considered a territory rather than a country, etc, etc. (Hence also the current {{Territory topics}} and {{Region topics}} redirection pages.) And, it's less to do. CsDix (talk) 16:01, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

More flexible / nearly-as-simple image-handling in Template:Country topics?

Another thought I'd appreciate your thoughts on, Frietjes. It's occurred to me that the standard

]

...is probably preferable to {{Country topics}}'s current image-handling via

|image=filename |imagesize=px |imagelink=article name

...as the standard format is more flexible, nearly as simple and means the template uses three fewer parameters. Worth updating? CsDix (talk) 02:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

that does seem like it would be less complicated. the trend for infobox-based templates is to use the image/imagesize type syntax, but for navbox-based templates, I don't think there is a trend. once you start adding link text, it seems like the advantages of using the image/imagesize syntax is diminished. Frietjes (talk) 16:18, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

In that case, I wonder if you know anything about (or where I should look as regards) trying to automate a conversion from the latter to the former in the country topics templates I've already visited..? CsDix (talk) 17:35, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

it looks like there are currently under 100, so I could do it. are you planning to use |image=] as the new syntax (i.e., still use |image=)? Frietjes (talk) 17:54, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes -- I'm guessing that should work -- and thanks for offering to help. If you like, I could start from "G" and work back until we meet somewhere in the middle? CsDix (talk) 19:14, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I think I got them all, only about half or so were actually using images. Frietjes (talk) 21:30, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

That's great, Frietjes. Thanks for doing. (And for the "Burma (Myanmar)" alert.) I guess I can eliminate imagesize, imagealt and imagelink from the template's code now..? CsDix (talk) 21:53, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

I will do it in a minute, after double checking all the transclusions. Frietjes (talk) 21:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

non-Navboxes

The popup is blocking me from editing the contents of Category:Culture by region navigational boxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

This one too: Template:American wine.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:51, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

fixed here. Frietjes (talk) 20:32, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Many of those are {{Culture of region}}. Please fix that template too.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:45, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you are asking. the {{Culture of region}} is a sidebar, and does not have a collapsing option. Is it adding the template to those on accident or something? Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

O.K.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Why does {{documentation}} make a template not collapsible-friendly?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:13, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I could be wrong, but does this have something to do with you adding {{collapsible option}} to a template, when this template is already on the documentation page? Plastikspork _―Œ 02:18, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

yes, that's the problem. Frietjes (talk) 19:52, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

A page with 500 unclosed tags

List of Pro Football Hall of Fame inductees. I wonder if you could do something. I tried your trick to use {{small}}. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:18, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

okay, I cleaned it up. Frietjes (talk) 20:27, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Like Wow! Thanks!!! -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:21, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Integers

Would you be willing to explain what you did to {{Integers}}? Thanks -- ypnypn (talk) 23:29, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

more help needed

Bluddy location maps again!

This time I'm trying to use tl:location map+ to generate a map with two pointers. But it (Bantayan Island#Transport) doesn't work - map is there with caption, but no pointers, no labels. I tried with default pointer, = nada. Everything else is identical with footnote (o) which works fine.

??

John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Fri 14:16, wikitime= 06:16, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

the first problem is that there were some extra | symbols in the template, if you follow the text after places =, it should not be interrupted by any | symbols before reaching the {{ for the location map~, and the same is true between the {{location map~}} templates. the next check is to make sure the individual {{location map+}} templates work as simple location maps (make sure the labels are within the range of the map)

Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 526: Unable to find the specified location map definition: "Module:Location map/data/Bantayan" does not exist. Lua error in Module:Location_map at line 526: Unable to find the specified location map definition: "Module:Location map/data/Bantayan" does not exist.

as we can see they are not, but it appears there is only a problem with the longitude. so looking closer you wrote lon_mon instead of lon_min, which means it is not parsing the minutes. Frietjes (talk) 15:12, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Bah! Silly me! Thanks. John of Cromer in China (talk) mytime= Fri 23:23, wikitime= 15:23, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Can't see malfunction

Hi Frietjes,

I've noticed that (some? all?) the " topics" templates now using Template:Country topics aren't displaying the first group (History) or any image they've been given – i.e. it looks like something's going on with handling whether or not the template has a group1/list1. It's probably something I've done, but I can't spot it. Perhaps your (fresher) eyes can (assuming you also see the omissions)..? CsDix (talk) 09:38, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

fixed it. there was an unclosed comment in the code. I found it by copying the template to the sandbox, and replacing all "{#" with "{{{{|safesubst:}}}#", then looking at the preview of a substituted version, which showed the problem pretty clearly. my other method of debugging is to just start substituting the template in one of my own personal sandboxes until I see the problem. I use a regexp search/replace javascript tool for automating the "replace all" stuff. Frietjes (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, Frietjes – and for sharing those tips. I'll be trying them out. I suppose it's second to writing the encyclopedia, but a check by Misplaced Pages for things like unbalanced comment markers (if nothing more) might be worthwhile and hopefully not too demanding. CsDix (talk) 07:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Yumbo Centre

Thanks for fixing the cocordinates error ツ Jenova20 23:39, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

iso_region

Hi, I didn't do this because {{Infobox UK place}} doesn't have that parameter - or any equivalent. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:14, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

it really should have this parameter, to avoid classifying all of them as GB or IM. Frietjes (talk) 23:04, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

How about this one

Should {{Penthouse Pets}} accept the {{CO}}?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

• Just passing by: I'd say yes, as it includes the line |state = {{{state|autocollapse}}}, i.e. offers the state parameter. CsDix (talk) 04:29, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
  • fixed for this case as well. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Problem

See Template:Popes, Template:Patriarchs of Alexandria, Template:Hellenistic rulers and Template:Coptic Popes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

• Just passing by: I've added the state parameter andor added missing brackets andor moved brackets to these templates (and, where relevant, added |statename=optional to {{collapsible option}}s). Does that solve the problem/s..? (Hope I haven't unwittingly made (some) things worse.) CsDix (talk) 04:38, 12 December 2012 (UTC)
  • script will now work for all of these. Frietjes (talk) 16:00, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Harry Potter

I am not a member of this project, but I think it is a big problem what you did. You removed the template completely instead of replacing it with {{WikiProject Novels|harry-potter-task-force=yes|harry-potter-importance=}}, like it says to do on the template page. If that project if active at all, I recommend you put that on all the pages you removed it from. Thank you, _Blake 15:42, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I seriously doubt that a novels project is interested in articles about actors, but I suppose we can just let the novels project members remove them? Frietjes (talk) 15:46, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

I would think that just because the project got merged into the novels project doesn't mean that they lose all the articles not directly related to the novels. I think the novels project would be very interested in the actors that played in probably the most successful book to film series. My point however wasn't just the actors, but every article has been removed from that project, some by people other then yourself, so I apologize that I didn't realize that all you changed was the actors. _Blake 16:23, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

whatever you want, I really don't care. my edits were on pages with both the biography and HP project tags, then checked each one to see if they were actors. since you seem to know better about what the novels project wants, I will do as you have instructed. I was not aware that they were following actor articles as well. Frietjes (talk) 16:25, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Nono, I am not a part of the novels project either. I am actually part of the video games project, and was alerted to this by the removal of the template on Lego Harry Potter: Years 5–7. I do however care about the Harry Potter series, I am just not part of its project. _Blake 16:36, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

{{Horizontal timeline}}

How about these templates: Template:Prime Ministers of Spain - Second Republic graphical timeline, Template:Prime Ministers of Spain - First Republic graphical timeline, Template:Prime Ministers of Spain - Democratic Spain graphical timeline and Template:Prime Ministers of Spain - Bourbon Restoration graphical timeline?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

the {{Horizontal timeline}} template does not support |state=, so adding the parameter would not do anything for those templates. Frietjes (talk) 16:03, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Infobox netball biography

Hi, Frietjes. I just wanted to say thank you for adapting the infobox to the {{infobox3cols}} template. I was never able to make it work properly, which is the only reason why I tried to change it back. I only got through half way before being sidetracked offwiki. Apologies for leaving everything in limbo. Everything looks good now, so no further changes should be needed (hopefully). Now to update 400+ articles. Thanks again. – Liveste (talk • edits) 06:38, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Youtube Facebook etc EL templates at TfD

Your close of the mega TfD (as "templates relisted on 10 December 2012") is curious... did it turn out the way you intended, or perhaps was there a technical error with the close? I don't think that these were ever relisted, as a batch or individually, unless I'm misreading the TfD page. I'm not challenging the validity of the close, just questioning whether it was botched-up technically.ThemFromSpace 07:23, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

if you check the discussion on December 6, there are several problems: (1) the templates were never tagged, (2) no specific rationale was given, and (3) after receiving feedback from myself and others that such a mass nomination was not going to work, the IP relisted just two of them. given all of the flaws in the nomination, there was no way that this discussion was going to close any way other than "procedural problems". I can ask an admin to reclose it if you want, but "templates have been relisted" seemed to be lowest drama way to resolve the fact that there were two parallel discussions open. Frietjes (talk) 16:01, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I don't need you to reopen it as they were heading for keep anyway. ThemFromSpace 18:33, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Sidebar

Hello, Frietjes. Thank you for your comment on my page. I moved the subsection from the above down but created a new overrun problem(!). Sorry about that. Maybe you can fix that too. It may be less thread-confusing in any case. --Thomasmeeks (talk) 13:00, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

One follow-up. I tried out your heading-content solution, which worked as you suggested. But I think I left out something, b/c the caption for the map figure, referenced by the line:

| caption = Economies by country

disappeared. So, that's an added complication (for my brain anyhow ; ) that perhaps your comment could address. Thank you. --TM 14:49, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Oops. I see way one to fix the last concern above: by replacing the caption statement with a new line in Content as:

* The economy (my preferred shortening in its proposed new positioning).

You might have a more specific fix. Possibly you could also indicate how to make the Economies by country-line (only) left-align, the way the current caption line there does. Thank you.

P.S. On the last point, I see that enough &nbsp;s to the right of Economies by country will left-align the last link but suspect that there is a more direct way to get that result. --TM 15:50, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

I have to run right now, but I will look later. to left align either use "foostyle = text-align:left" where "foo" is the particular field type, or wrap the line in {{align|left}}. Frietjes (talk) 19:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Apologies

• I thought we discussed this, please no hardcoded colouring, it screws up custom css declarations. not everyone uses your css file

My apologies. In my enthusiasm, I lost sight of this fact and forgot that you'd pointed it out to me. Thanks for correcting. CsDix (talk) 22:31, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

no problem. I am going to see if I can get belowclass = navbox-title to work by making a suggestion at MediaWiki talk:Common.css. Frietjes (talk) 16:17, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Margaret Thatcher

What is going on with Template:Margaret Thatcher?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 01:10, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

the script found the state parameter at the bottom of the article, and was confused about what to do. I added a couple more lines to the script, so it should work for this case now. the fact that there can be multiple "| state =" on one page is tricky, and will always be a difficult problem to solve. luckily it doesn't happen that often, and if the script doesn't do it properly, it's really a minor problem, since it just means that the state option is added somewhere where it does nothing (e.g., in the documentation). Frietjes (talk) 16:16, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Template help

Thanks for fixing that template. Do you know how to get Template:History of Palestine to link to both the Palestine and Israel portals. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 22:02, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

you can use |below={{portal-inline|Israel}} to add the additional portal. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 21:05, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Fb7 rbr t pos/c

Hi Frietjes, I saw you made the nice colouring subtemplate Template:Fb7 rbr t pos/c for the Fb7 rbr. Could you modify it such that when supplying 'G' or 'R' only the colour is represented and the G/R does not show up in the table? It does not make sense to have a position 'G' or 'R', and the colours are used to represent the 'zone' the team will be in... --Pelotas 09:38, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

sure, no problem. Frietjes (talk) 15:20, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

alright, perfect. Just didn't know how to do it myself. --Pelotas 20:51, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

A couple of confusing ones

Here are two more that need adjustments: Template:Muhammad Ali, Template:Ansel Adams and Template:Mike Tyson--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:19, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

it's not clear exactly what to do in these cases since there is already an alternative method for controlling the collapse state. we could (1) add the |state={{{state|}}} feature in addition to the existing method, or (2) remove the existing method, and change it to |state={{{state|}}} or (3) do nothing. in the case that the existing method is not being used, there is really no harm in simply changing it. in the case that it is used, we should be careful to not create an unexpected change in articles. for these particular cases, I will examine the transclusions by hand and see if there is a problem with simply changing it. Frietjes (talk) 15:53, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

How about {{football squad}}: Template:Bnei Sakhnin F.C. squad, Template:Hapoel Tel Aviv F.C. squad and Template:Maccabi Haifa F.C. squad.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:23, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

although {{football squad}} uses {{navbox}}, it does not pass anything to |state=, so adding state to anything using {{football squad}} would do nothing (at the moment). Frietjes (talk) 15:07, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Merger nomination

Template:Coptic Popes is nominated to merge with Template:Patriarchs of Alexandria. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 09:14, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Ring of Honor's colors

Since you reverted the colors, I started a debate on wrestling colors in general. Please join our conversation: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Professional_wrestling#Wrestling_companies_template_boxes_colors.3F

Thanks! Srsrox (talk) 17:29, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

'Special' human rights in Bulgaria and Andorra topics

Why distinguish special 'human rights', and if distinguishing, why dedicated to that particular special community? This is too biased and controversial, no place in 'objective' Misplaced Pages. Could you, please, articulate your position, based on reason, not emotions? No place for lobbist groups in Misplaced Pages, to my mind, don't you agree?

David Greenfield 18:40 - 22.12.2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.34.136.120 (talk) 14:40, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

feel free to discuss it on the talk page for the respective template, but the removal of these links is contentious. Frietjes (talk) 16:21, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Recent Star Trek edits

Thanks for your recent External Links fixes on Star Trek articles. Just one comment for future reference: If you replace the "IMDb title" template with "IMDb episode" and the template uses the "title=" keyword, it also needs to be replaced with "episode=" so template won't switch to the article's title when rendered. Cbbkr (talk) 21:51, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

yes, I knew that, but there were quite a few of them so I probably missed one or two. we should see if we can get "title" added to the parameter options for episode. Frietjes (talk) 15:50, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

These pages need to replace table with infobox of the same kind but I don't know which one

Kokura Racecourse, Curragh Racecourse, Curragh Racecourse, Maywood Park -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:44, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

And here there is something wrong: InterConsult Bulgaria, Beaumes de Venise AOC, Costières de Nîmes AOC -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

just do this. Frietjes (talk) 16:54, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

The first four are not that obvious. -- Magioladitis (talk) 17:03, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

just do this. Frietjes (talk) 17:13, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

I did the second group. More:

• Bowl Coalition ({{Infobox BCS}})
• Bowl Alliance ({{Infobox BCS}})
• Hans Georg Anscheidt ({{Infobox motorcycle rider}})
• Mark Willis (motorcycle racer) ({{Infobox motorcycle rider}})
• Tomoko Igata ({{Infobox motorcycle rider}})
• Noriyasu Numata ({{Infobox motorcycle rider}})
• Dynamic financial analysis removed table
• Rejang people ({{Infobox ethnic group}}) done
• Kenyah people ({{Infobox ethnic group}}) done
• Sanamahism ({{Infobox religious group}}) done
• Chilsag Chillies Theatre Company ({{Infobox organization}})
• Melanau people ({{Infobox ethnic group}}) done
• Square milk jug
• Y. S. Chowdary (already uses {{infobox officeholder}})
• Andal (already uses {{infobox Hindu leader}})
• Borac Swimming Club (probably {{Infobox sports team}} or {{infobox swimming venue}})
• Sheffield City Swimming Club -- Magioladitis (talk) 00:25, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

I annotated the list, and removed a few that have already been fixed. Frietjes (talk) 15:13, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. There is a list of 500 pages with template programming elements which I am trying to reduce (found here). -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:28, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

 Done There all done now. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:50, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

how are they all done if they are still using tables? Frietjes (talk) 14:14, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

My mistake. I was referring to the first two groups. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:28, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

1950s in film too. -- Magioladitis (talk) 01:08, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Season's tidings!

To you and yours, Have a Merry ______ (fill in the blank) and Happy New Year! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:59, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Template:Groupname rather than Longlink?

Happy Christmas etc, Frietjes – hope you are well.

It looks like this might not get any further, so I took a look at the {{longlink}} you mentioned. It says it's meant for use with sidebars and does add an unwanted 0.4em's worth of padding-right if used with groupnames, so how about this "groupname" version of the template instead?:

<div style="padding:0.1em 0;line-height:1.2em;{{{style|}}}">{{{1}}}</div>

I think these padding and line-height settings mean it can be used with navboxes without changing the overall height of (a short, one-line) group. (But they can always be tweaked/corrected.) If you approve, I'll create a "groupname" template and start using it as/when I pass by wrapped groupnames. Best wishes, CsDix (talk) 16:00, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

that could work, but I would rather call it say "long group name" or "long group label" or ..., to indicate that it is not necessary for short group names. Frietjes (talk) 16:04, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

"long group name" and "long group label" are a bit... lengthy, no? (Also "wrapped groupname", which was my first thought.) However, I suppose I could create "Template:Long groupname" and make "Template:Groupname" redirect to it..? CsDix (talk) 17:39, 26 December 2012 (UTC)

...I've gone with {{longlabel}}. Hope that's okay. CsDix (talk) 17:01, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

yes, that works. Frietjes (talk) 14:08, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

talk back

Sidebar with collapsible lists

Hello Frietjer, Can I ask you about the creation (edit) of sidebar with collapsible lists for the following Templates? (Template:Politics of Northern Cyprus, Template:Politics of Somaliland, Template:Politics of Transnistria, Template:Politics of Nagorno-Karabakh, Template:Politics of South Ossetia and Template:Politics of Abkhazia). These are in old form of. Thank You. Jan CZ (talk) 17:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

sure, I can help, but I would need to know how to divide it up into headings and lists under the headings. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

I have in mind the same editing style, as in the case of Template:Politics of the Sahrawi Arab Democratic Republic, Your edit from 20.11. 20:38.2012. We need the one style for all politics templates (of states with limited recognition). Jan CZ (talk) 15:21, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

okay. I will have a look later. I don't have time right now. Frietjes (talk) 15:52, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Clearly, no hurry. And, thank you very much. Jan CZ (talk) 16:11, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Need a favor with template collapsing!

Hi, Frietjes i have been refered to you by TonyTheTiger to help me with the collapsible option in templates. TonyTheTiger contributed here making the navbox variable by adding collapsible options. I just need a favor with Template:Abu Bakr can you help make it variable too by adding collapsible options if you are similar with the technicality?? I mean to say can the individual heads like General Information, Family etc can they be made variable with collapsible options? i have worked on it but have not been successful. Hope to hear from you soon. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 18:06, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

okay, I changed it to use {{sidebar with collapsible lists}}. Frietjes (talk) 14:06, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for the help. Please do clear two things

1.Can this ({{sidebar with collapsible lists}}) be used if the list titles are Nested like in this case and

2.Is the list height alterable or is it constant??

Thanks again for the help. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 15:45, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

(1) yes, you can nest the template, but you have to be careful to avoid excess borders and padding. (2) yes, this can be altered either using the padding or setting a value for the "line-height" in the style. I will look at the other example later. I don't have time to do it right now. Frietjes (talk) 15:51, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the clues you have been a helping hand i will try it my self and if i face any difficulty i would definitely ask you.By the way Happy New Year. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 17:12, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Have a look at this one

What is going on with Template:United States presidential election, 2000?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:37, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

The {{collapsible option}} was creating the problem i have corrected it for you do check if you want to place it at the top or the bottom of the template. -- Ibrahim ebi (talk) 17:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

that was a mess. I added a line to the code for the particular issue, but it may come up again. the good news is that the bad edit does not mess up any of the transclusions, just the appearance on the template page. Frietjes (talk) 19:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

ISBN-10 and ISBN-13

Are {{ISBN-10}} and {{ISBN-13}} really needed? -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Vorë

Template:Vorë has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:56, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Template assistance

Can you fix Template:European political parties (template).--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:07, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I added "European topic" to the list, so it should work now. you may need to reload the script. Frietjes (talk) 17:14, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

Also Template:Australia topic, Template:Geology of Australia, and Template:Hospitals in Australia.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:02, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

added Australia topic, so the last two should work. Frietjes (talk) 15:31, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

• Here is another: Template:Ireland Squad 1987 World Cup.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:05, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  until | state = {{{state|}}} is added to {{Rugby union squad}} there is nothing that can be done for that template. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• And Template:LGBT rights in Australia and Template:Politics of Australia by state.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:13, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  okay, I added "Australia states and territories topic" to the list. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• And Template:Republic of Ireland national football team managers, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 1999 FIFA World Youth Championship, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 2002 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 2008 UEFA European Under-17 Football Championship, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 2011 UEFA European Under-19 Football Championship, Template:Republic of Ireland women's national football team managers, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 1990 FIFA World Cup, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 1994 FIFA World Cup, Template:Republic of Ireland squad 2002 FIFA World Cup, Template:Republic of Ireland squad UEFA Euro 1988, Template:Republic of Ireland squad UEFA Euro 2012, .--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:15, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  I added "Football manager history", but until | state = {{{state|}}} is added to {{National squad}} and {{National squad no numbers}} there is nothing that can be done for the squads. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• {{military navigation}} for all the templates at Category:New Zealand military ship templates.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:30, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  I added "military navigation" a long time ago, and the script is working for all the templates in that category except for Template:Bathurst class corvette, which has a strange double "state". if you check the script error message it says it doesn't know where to add it, but it was able to figure out that it should be able to add it. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• Template:2002 Crusaders rugby team, Template:Chiefs squad – 2012 Super Rugby Champions, Template:Crusaders squad 2008 Super 14 champions, and Template:New Zealand squad 2006 Tri Nations.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 03:55, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  until | state = {{{state|}}} is added to {{Rugby union squad}} there is nothing that can be done for those templates. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• {{ANZC team nav}} covers most of the templates at Category:ANZ Championship navigational boxes.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 04:00, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

  these haven't been updated since 2011, so I don't think we need to add a rule to the script for them. Frietjes (talk) 16:34, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

• How about {{football squad}} for Template:Auckland City F.C Squad and Template:Waikato FC squad.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 02:04, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

  until | state = {{{state|}}} is added to {{football squad}} there is nothing that can be done for those templates. Frietjes (talk) 16:11, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Re Nazism templates

The slight modification I introduced is merely the desaturated form of the standard blue, and imo it looks very appropriate and understated. Especially in light of the fact that all kinds of political ideology templates use the ideology color. For example I submit the Communism template, the Conservatism template, the rather "flamboyant" Communism sidebar template etc. etc. -- Director (talk) 19:16, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

I see no reason to deviate from the default here per wp:deviations. Frietjes (talk) 15:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I do. Its useful and instructive on the subject of political colour. A great many political ideology templates use the ideology color, and I fully intend to revert such arbitrary and selective deletion of information. -- Director (talk) 16:24, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

see WP:BRD, you made an edit, I reverted it, and now we are discussing. the third step is discuss, not edit war. Frietjes (talk) 16:26, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Frietjes, unless you intend to purge all comparable ideology templates of their widespread use of political colour, this is pointless. And considering I've expended quite a bit of effort in this good-faith attempt at improving the templates, I'd like to see a real reason before its wantonly undone. -- Director (talk) 16:38, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

see WP:OTHERSTUFF, the fact that there are other templates is not a reason to go against the guideline. Frietjes (talk) 16:40, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:WIKILAWYERING. I'm well aware of WP policies & guidelines. My point is that it is not, in fact, a violation of WP:DEVIATIONS:

"Regarding accessibility, deviations from standard conventions may be tolerated so long as they are accessible. Members of the accessibility project ensured that the default style is accessible. If some template or specific color scheme deviates from the standard, its authors should make sure that it meets accessibility requirements such as providing enough color contrast. For instance, the infoboxes and navigational templates relating to The Simpsons use a yellow colour-scheme, to tie in with the dominant colour in the series. In this case, blue links on yellow provides enough color contrast, thus it is accessible."

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