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Notability and POV

• "Garadaghly Massacre" - 0 hit.

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Most of links that I could control are not neutral. Please find Misplaced Pages:Identifying reliable sources to prove Misplaced Pages:Notability. Takabeg (talk) 10:58, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Garadaghly Massacre also has many hits: , , , more in Russian sources , , . Since the investigation started more facts are coming out. Angel670 talk 22:47, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Cornell

Cornell states that Armenian troops conquered these villages which resulted in 99 civilian deaths, this meaning they died during the war and it doesn't say they were massacred, so using it in the header as killing of civilians and using Cornell is not accurate at all.Nocturnal781 (talk) 01:08, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

I suggest you discuss your edits here, otherwise your edits look more like a vandalism than a real edit. Cornell is a good source indicating to the number of casualities. Moreover, Cornell mentions all three villages where civilians were targeted. Meanwhile, to address your concern, I added a text from the book authored by brother of Armenian commander Monte Melkonian where the number is mentioned more than 50 civilians and details of massacre of civilians are described. Angel670 talk 03:04, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Azerbaijani News sources

Alot of information is cited by Azerbaijani news media, which can't be reliable, or neutral to use in this such case. Misplaced Pages aims to contain reliable information from a neutral view. Please see: WP:NEWSORG. Nocturnal781 (talk) 04:07, 15 March 2012 (UTC)

As indicated on AfD page by uninvolved editor, the Azerbaijani news media indicate to the notability of the event of the massacre, which Armenian sources do not deny either. I believe this helps. Angel670 talk 03:11, 17 March 2012 (UTC)

Here is some important background information which can not be ignored when deciding to base an article mainly on (pro)-Azerbaijani news agencies.

• Freedom House: Freedom House has ranked Azerbaijans Press as "Not Free". (1)
  

• Committee to Protect Journalists: "In Azerbaijan, there are no foreign or independent broadcasters on the airwaves, and the few journalists who work on independent newspapers or websites are subject to intimidation tactics, including imprisonment on fabricated charges." (1)
  

• Reporters Without Borders: "Local media are highly polarised and the independent and opposition press are the target of continual pressure. Several highly popular foreign radio stations have been absent from Azerbaijan’s FM waveband since January 2009, including the BBC, Radio Free Europe/ Radio Liberty and Voice of America." Opposition newspapers are Azadlig, Khural, Monitor.(1)
  

• Institute for Reporters' Freedom and Safety (IRFS): "Azerbaijani citizens and the international community are unable to access reliable, comprehensive, and objective news on human rights issues relevant to Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is overly reliant on government sources for information, and the population is under-informed about matters of public interest. Traditional radio and television broadcasting is under strict government control." (p.28)--Markus2685 (talk) 12:17, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

Deleting content that violates wiki policies

I agree with user Grandmaster to delete all content that violates Misplaced Pages policies, thus in the first step deleting all content that is not verifiable. What remains would be a stub --Markus2685 (talk) 13:35, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Title of the artcile

As also the title of the article is disputed I suggest presenting and discussing alternative titles here. Example:

- Garadaghly incidents --Markus2685 (talk) 13:51, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't think a mass killing could be called just an incident. Grandmaster 18:10, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

"Incident" sounds really poor, Cornell used "conquered", therefore I think that something Armenian conquest of Garadaghly would be suitable. I guess Battle of Garadaghly or Siege of Garadaghly could be also technically usable.--Staberinde (talk) 20:21, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I agree with you that it sounds poor. I am also not happy with it and I don't think it is a good alternative. It was just to start somewhere. --Markus2685 (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

• Keep the name - let's keep the current name, it is appropriate to the violent mass killings. Best, Konullu (talk) 23:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

The current name is invariably used by Azerbaijan. No foreign source has called this event a "massacre".--Markus2685 (talk) 11:12, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

I support the present title, because I think that "conquest" or "battle" does not reflect the content of the article, which is about mass killing, and not the hostilities. There was no real battle, as forces were unequal. Also, I found another source, Chicago Tribune, which mentions the event, but the name of the village is spelled as Karadogly. I temporarily post the full text, and will later remove it due to copyright reasons:

20 die in Armenian attack on town in disputed enclave:

Chicago Tribune wires.. Chicago Tribune (pre-1997 Fulltext) 18 Feb 1992: 4.

More than 20 people were killed and 15 wounded Monday in an Armenian attack on a village in the disputed Nagorno-Karabakh region of Azerbaijan, the ITAR-Tass news agency reported. Armenian militants captured the Azerbaijani village of Karadogly and forced the residents to flee to a nearby forest, the news agency said, quoting the Azerbaijani People's Front information center. The Foreign Ministry of the former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan released a statement accusing neighboring Armenia of attacking unarmed civilians in its drive to gain control of Nagorno-Karabakh. Predominantly Christian Armenians and Muslim Azerbaijanis both want Nagorno-Karabakh.

The article is available here: or Proquest. Grandmaster 19:43, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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