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John Lee Quote

The article gives a quotation from John Lee, saying "The case is the same as if wood had been thrown overboard." Elsewhere the article says Lee 'notoriously' said "The case is the same as if horses had been thrown overboard." In the John Lee biography page it says "the same as if asses had been thrown overboard". Do we have some good authority for which it was, or could this be made consistent in some way? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.62.177 (talk) 13:46, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

the insurers

A well written and well sourced article, but strangely, it doesn't seem to mention who the insurers involved in the affair were. Surely some information on this must be available. Am I right in thinking the insurance company is currently based in London and that its name starts with L ? Brutal Deluxe (talk) 01:21, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

No -- the insurers were a syndicate from Liverpool. Celuici (talk) 19:54, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

Contradiction

Under the heading "Massacre," we see the final lines, "Later, it was claimed that the slaves had been jettisoned because it was required "for the safety of the ship" as the ship did not have enough water to keep them alive for the rest of the voyage. This claim was later disproved as the ship had 420 gallons of water left when it arrived in Jamaica on 22 December." Under the heading, "Legal Case," the final line reads in part, "but Lord Mansfield ruled that the ship-owners could not claim insurance on the slaves because the lack of sufficient water demonstrated that the cargo had been badly managed." How could the ruling be based on the lack of sufficient water, when the claims of lack of water had been disproved? Pihanki (talk) 16:04, 25 November 2010 (UTC)

Style

Some of the writing in this article is rather un-encyclopedic. For example, "It is at this point that Granville Sharp...enters the story." "Sharp's attempts...never got off the ground." Thoughts?JoelWhy (talk) 13:13, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Luke Collingwood article should be merged

I have suggested that the Luke Collingwood article should be merged into this one. See here. Celuici (talk) 19:37, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Note on the 'Zong Massacre' image

Just a quick note to record for future reference that this image does not depict the Zong Massacre: for more info, see here (and the journal article cited therein)

Merge

A suggestion has been made to merge Luke Collingwood with this article. The discussion is at Luke Collingwood.Mannanan51 (talk) 20:01, 11 September 2012 (UTC)Mannanan51

Request move of this page to "Zong massacre"

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Andrewa (talk) 09:46, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Zong Massacre → Zong massacre – This page should be moved to "Zong massacre". This will make the title consistent with WP:LOWERCASE, which says that lower case should be used in article titles. Very few secondary sources use the phrase "Zong Massacre", and using the lower-case version of "massacre" in the title would reflect the fact that there is no single term which has been enshrined to describe the events on the Zong. Celuici (talk) 19:30, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

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Reviewer: Khazar2 (talk · contribs) 23:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll be glad to take this review--or at least as glad as possible with the grim subject matter. In the next few days I'll do a close readthrough, noting here any issues I can't immediately take care of myself, and then go to the criteria checklist. Thanks in advance for your work on this one! -- Khazar2 (talk) 23:52, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Initial readthrough

On a first pass, this looks like very strong stuff: well written, sourced, and organized. I don't anticipate any serious problems in this being promoted to GA.

A few points where the article could use more clarity:

"The crew could not have known that the island was at that point in the possession of France" -- who would the crew have assumed the island belonged to--indigenous peoples, Spain... ? A bit of historical context would help make the issue clear.
"At this point, James Kelsall claimed that there" -- ambiguous-- does this mean "this is the point that he claimed this" or "James Kelsall later claimed that at this point"?
"responds to the story of an enslaved African" -- in what way does the novel respond to this story? Would it be accurate to simply say the novel "tells the story of..."?

Other points:

If The Slave Ship is notable enough to have its own article, it seems worth including a sentence or two in the text that the event inspired this painting.

Take a look at the above and let me know what you think. Again, thanks for your work!

Checklist

Rate	Attribute	Review Comment
1. Well-written:
	1a. the prose is clear, concise, and understandable to an appropriately broad audience; spelling and grammar are correct.	Prose is clear, spotchecks of Boime, Rupprecht, and Swaminathan show no evidence of copyright issues.
	1b. it complies with the Manual of Style guidelines for lead sections, layout, words to watch, fiction, and list incorporation.
2. Verifiable with no original research:
	2a. it contains a list of all references (sources of information), presented in accordance with the layout style guideline.
	2b. reliable sources are cited inline. All content that could reasonably be challenged, except for plot summaries and that which summarizes cited content elsewhere in the article, must be cited no later than the end of the paragraph (or line if the content is not in prose).
	2c. it contains no original research.
3. Broad in its coverage:
	3a. it addresses the main aspects of the topic.
	3b. it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style).
	4. Neutral: it represents viewpoints fairly and without editorial bias, giving due weight to each.
	5. Stable: it does not change significantly from day to day because of an ongoing edit war or content dispute.
6. Illustrated, if possible, by media such as images, video, or audio:
	6a. media are tagged with their copyright statuses, and valid non-free use rationales are provided for non-free content.
	6b. media are relevant to the topic, and have suitable captions.
	7. Overall assessment.	Pass--really excellent work.

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