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Why aren't there dates on the edits to this Talk Page? 99.181.131.248 (talk) 04:17, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
- Not an admin, but I've tried to help anyway…
This talk page contained a great deal of 2008 content (initially from Global warming controversy) which editors had moved here on the chance someone would want to add it to this article. Due to the way it was added here, unfortunately, the bot would never archive it. After this long of a time, I figured that if it was useful, it would have been used already, and so I decided to be bold and archive it manually. From this point on, it should look more like a normal talk page. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 08:09, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
An update to add ...
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- Mexican president Felipe Calderón signs a law making Mexico only the second country in the world to introduce binding targets on climate change (global warming). http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-18345079 BBC
141.218.35.38 (talk) 22:31, 7 June 2012 (UTC)
- Probably appropriate in a different global warming article. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 07:04, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
- And your suggestion? 99.181.128.237 (talk) 05:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I said "probably". I would guess mitigation. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Have you read this wp article? Then read "signs a law", binding targets do not mitigate global warming & climate change. If only it were that easy. 99.181.138.56 (talk) 08:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- The first country to introduce binding targets doesn't appear to be in this article. Where is it? Put the second country with the first country, if anywhere. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ridiculous comment Special:Contributions/Arthur Rubin, this article is about international politics, such as with the United Nations not individual nations, in spite of lone Politics of global warming (United States) article. 03:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- The US doesn't have binding targets.... — Arthur Rubin (talk) 05:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- Ridiculous comment Special:Contributions/Arthur Rubin, this article is about international politics, such as with the United Nations not individual nations, in spite of lone Politics of global warming (United States) article. 03:10, 10 June 2012 (UTC)
- The first country to introduce binding targets doesn't appear to be in this article. Where is it? Put the second country with the first country, if anywhere. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 13:54, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- Have you read this wp article? Then read "signs a law", binding targets do not mitigate global warming & climate change. If only it were that easy. 99.181.138.56 (talk) 08:35, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- I said "probably". I would guess mitigation. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:03, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
- And your suggestion? 99.181.128.237 (talk) 05:59, 9 June 2012 (UTC)
(od) Focus please, the item is about Mexico. 23:33, 10 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.181.153.207 (talk)
- Why is the second one notable, when the first isn't? — Arthur Rubin (talk) 14:12, 13 June 2012 (UTC)
- A first for the developing world would be one reason. Why not include the first also? This appear to be Misplaced Pages:Tendentious editing, Special:Contributions/Arthur_Rubin . 99.181.142.87 (talk) 07:08, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- In A First For Developing World, Mexico Enacts Climate Change Law June 6, 2012 99.181.142.87 (talk) 07:12, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- You can do better than that. That quotes President Calderon as saying that it's "the first developing country". It does note in the article's words that the UK was the first, though, so it can be used as a source for that statement. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
- The UK is not a "developing country", but Mexico is. 108.73.113.91 (talk) 08:54, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
- You can do better than that. That quotes President Calderon as saying that it's "the first developing country". It does note in the article's words that the UK was the first, though, so it can be used as a source for that statement. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 08:47, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
(od) See wp article developing country to see Mexico (and not the UK) in the list. 99.112.215.188 (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- That's not a credible reason for inclusion. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
- It is a first for the developing world. 99.109.125.124 (talk) 07:48, 7 July 2012 (UTC)
(od) What is the status of this? 99.181.132.75 (talk) 06:10, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- It would be nice of someone other than you believed it appropriate. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 09:13, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
- What question are do you believe you are answering Special:Contributions/Arthur Rubin? 99.119.131.109 (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
- It's a comment, rather than a question. You are the only person in favor of inclusion. It seems that I am the only one who has expressed an opinion in opposition. Hence, there's no resolution yet. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 01:52, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
- What question are do you believe you are answering Special:Contributions/Arthur Rubin? 99.119.131.109 (talk) 00:34, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
Updating the Page - December 2012
Esteemed editors, I'm going to attempt to do some heavy housecleaning on this page to see if we can bring it up to Misplaced Pages standards and to see if we can describe succinctly the politics of global warming. Please assume that I'm working in good faith. I know this is a contentious topic and I promise that I will work very hard to treat it fairly in a NPOV manner. Please give me a week or so and then we can discuss how it's turning out and what improvements we might need. I will add citations as I work through the rewrite but it'll take me a week or two to tick and tie everything with reliable sources. Working to make it better!Justanonymous (talk) 20:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Country Positions Historical Information
This content was cut and past here. It's mostly out of date and POV laden with weasle words etc. However, there might be something valuable we can harvest and reincorporate into the article.
English Speaking Countries In most English-speaking countries, support for action to mitigate global warming, such as ratification and implementation of the Kyoto Protocol is strong on the political left.
However, the first politician to put global warming on the political agenda was Richard Nixon 1969. Nixon wanted environmental topics (as acid rain and greenhouse effect) to be treated by a third and civil pillar of NATO. The reaction of the NATO allies was lukewarm but the initiative gained impact in the civil field.
In the 1980s, Margaret Thatcher was instrumental in increasing the United Kingdom's electricity generation from North Sea gas and reducing generation from coal.
In Germany Angela Merkel, then secretary of the environment during the conservative Helmut Kohl government, lead the German Kyoto Delegation and had a substantial role in making the Kyoto agreement possible.
In December 2007, Kevin Rudd's first act as prime minister of Australia was to ratify the Kyoto Protocol in time for the Kyoto Protocol talks in Bali.
In Canada, the Liberal Party government ratified Kyoto.
In New Zealand, the Labour government of Helen Clark ratified Kyoto.
In the United Kingdom, the Labour Party ratified Kyoto
In the United States, Bill Clinton's Administration signed Kyoto and Democrats have proposed and supported a number of bills to mitigate emissions. Although Kyoto is signed, subsequent sessions of Congress failed to ratify the treaty and thus the United States is not bound to it. US diplomats have conceded the treaty will never be ratified. "We are not going to ratify the Kyoto Protocol. That is out," said US climate negotiator Jonathan Pershing at the 2009 Bangkok Climate Change Talks. Barack Obama supported passage of the American Clean Energy and Security Act to establish a United States Carbon Cap and Trade Program; while the bill was approved in the House of Representatives, it was not taken up in the Senate.
In some countries the political right are fighting on a platform of taking tough action against global warming, while in others the political right either dispute the scientific consensus on global warming or oppose action to mitigate global warming, instead favoring adaption. All European countries have ratified the Kyoto Protocol, and all have supported strong reductions in greenhouse gas emissions.
In the United States, a February 2007 survey found that 95% of the 41 Congressional Democrats surveyed agreed "it's been proven beyond a reasonable doubt that the Earth is warming because of man-made problems" while only 13% of the 31 Republicans surveyed agreed.
Global warming skepticism has been promoted by newspapers associated with the right such as The Australian, the Daily Telegraph in the United Kingdom and the National Post in Canada.
Asia Australia officially ratified the Kyoto Protocol, after the new Labor government came into power on December 3, 2007. The previous Coalition government had long objected to ratifying the treaty, arguing it would unduly impact on Australian jobs, especially when countries such as China, India and the U.S. were not party to it.
Japan is preparing to force industry to make big cuts in greenhouse gases, taking the lead in a country struggling to meet its Kyoto Protocol obligations.
Canada Canada's Liberal Government during the 1990s had agreed to Kyoto but oversaw the increase of greenhouse gas emissions during their terms in office and did little to meet Kyoto's targets. Canada's current Conservative Government has claimed that, due to increased emissions since 1990, it is realistically impossible to meet their Kyoto targets and attempting to do so would be disastrous for the Canadian economy. Current Prime Minister Stephen Harper has come under fire for being adamant in leaving Kyoto and working on a different climate plan. Consequently, this issue has become something of an Achilles' heel for the Government in recent months. The current Liberal Party has been quick in their condemnation of the Government but has also been accused of using Global Warming for political purposes as seen in the naming of leader Stéphane Dion's dog 'Kyoto'.
Europe
Russia signed the Kyoto Protocol in November 2004, after a deal with the European Union over WTO membership. Russia's ratification completed the requirements of the treaty to come into force, based on nations totaling 55% of world greenhouse gas emissions.
The UK government-commissioned Stern Review into the economic effects of climate change was published in October 2006. Tony Blair's assessment was that it showed that scientific evidence of global warming was "overwhelming" and its consequences "disastrous". He added, "We can't wait the five years it took to negotiate Kyoto — we simply don't have the time. We accept we have to go further ." The UK government launched an official calculator in the week of June 18, 2007 that enables every person in the country to work out how much carbon dioxide they produce and how to cut it. Tory group sets out plans for Green Revolution. In the UK campaign group Camp for Climate Action aims to keep climate change on the political agenda, using direct action against major carbon emitters.
United States
Main article: Climate change policy of the United StatesThe politics of global warming is played out at a state and federal level in the United States. Attempts to draw up climate change policy are being made at a state level to a greater extent than at a federal level.
Vatican Pope Benedict XVI told up to half a million people, over a hillside near the Adriatic city of Loreto on the day Catholic Church marks its annual Save Creation Day, that world leaders must make courageous decisions to save the planet "before it is too late".
Questionable use of sources
I have some serious concern with the quality of many of the sources used, as well as use to which they are put. I've opened a case at WP:RS/N#Various sources at Politics of global warming. --Stephan Schulz (talk) 00:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- The subject is a POV minefield that will be the site of much manipulation and distortion. Humanpublic (talk) 01:23, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
- ^ Cite error: The named reference
Hünewas invoked but never defined (see the help page). - Murray, Iain (2003-09-17). "Fixing the Game:Kyoto rules". National Review Online. Retrieved 2010-01-20.
- Purvis, Andrew (2007-10-17). "Angela Merkel — Heroes of the Environment". Time Magazine. Retrieved 2010-01-30.
- ^ AAP (2007-12-03). "Rudd ratifies Kyoto The Age". The Age Company Limited. Retrieved 2010-06-07.
Australia's official declaration today that we will become a member of the Kyoto Protocol is a significant step forward in our country's efforts to fight climate change domestically and with the international community
- Hood, Marlowe (2009-10-08). "Climate: What's to become of the Kyoto Protocol?". AFP. Retrieved 2009-10-10.
{{cite news}}: Cite has empty unknown parameter:|coauthors=(help) - Climate change concerns championed by Cameron's Conservatives
- "Base page" (PDF). Retrieved 2010-08-29.
- "Climate change: The Deniers". www.canada.com. CanWest MediaWorks Publications Inc. 2007-06-20. Retrieved 2010-01-25.
- WBCSD. "World Business Council for Sustainable Development". WBCSD. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
- "Climate change fight 'can't wait'". BBC News. 2006-10-31. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
- Juliette Jowit, environment editor (2007-06-18). "calculator to help save the planet". London: Observer.guardian.co.uk. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
{{cite news}}:|author=has generic name (help) - "Tory Group Sets Out Plans for Green Revolution". Planet Ark. 2007-09-14. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
- "Save The Planet Before It's Too Late, Pope Urges". Planet Ark. 2007-09-03. Retrieved 2010-08-29.
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