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Proposed principles

Purpose of Misplaced Pages

1) The purpose of Misplaced Pages is to create a high-quality, free-content online encyclopedia. This is best achieved in an atmosphere of collegiality, camaraderie, and mutual respect among contributors.

Support:
  1. Proposed by NuclearWarfare. AGK 22:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. With a copyedit, per comments made on arbwiki. T. Canens (talk) 23:38, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. Courcelles 00:55, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  10. SilkTork 11:38, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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No expectation of perfection

2) While editors are expected to follow Misplaced Pages policies and practices to the best of their abilities, they are not expected to be perfect. However, they are expected to listen to feedback from others and, where appropriate, learn from it. Repeated and serious editing errors can be disruptive as they create unnecessary work for others.

Support:
  1. Proposed by Roger Davies. AGK 22:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Courcelles 00:56, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. T. Canens (talk) 01:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Far better than my draft; thank you Roger. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  10. SilkTork 11:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Minimum standard for stub articles

3) Community expectations for the creation of stub articles are outlined in the applicable guideline, which requires a stub article to contain, as a minimum, sufficient information to provide verifiable context and establish the subject matter's notability.

Support:
  1. Proposed by Roger Davies. AGK 22:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Courcelles 00:57, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. With a copyedit to address the comment of ThemFromSpace on the talk page. Feel free to revert if disagree. T. Canens (talk) 01:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. This applies to all articles, and it is worth pointing out that convention allows editors a certain amount of time to develop an article so that it can demonstrate notability. The community does frown upon tagging a new article for deletion too hastily. While I understand the reason for this principle, I wouldn't like it to be used as a rationale for speedy tagging of a new stub that could reasonably be developed. SilkTork 12:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Fresh eyes

4) Misplaced Pages contributors are expected to pursue dispute resolution if local discussion alone does not yield consensus on a matter of content. This is particularly so when a dispute becomes protracted or the subject of extensive or heated discussion. Insulating a content dispute from the views of uninvolved contributors for long periods can lead to the disputants' positions become entrenched. Therefore, unresolved questions of content should be referred at the first opportunity to the community at large—through a Request for Comment, Third Opinion, or other suitable mechanism for inviting comment from a new perspective.

Support:
  1. Proposed. AGK 22:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. T. Canens (talk) 01:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
    Agree with Brad's proposed c/e. T. Canens (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  3. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. Without asserting wrongdoing on the part of specific editors. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Though "Fresh eyes" is probably a better heading,  Roger Davies 06:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
    Tweaked header to "Fresh eyes". Revert if you can't live with it.  Roger Davies 13:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
    I'm fine with the new title. AGK 11:07, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  8. Prefer "Fresh eyes" though Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. I've made some minor copyedits; revert if any disagreement. I also propose one copyedit that is less minor, but not substantial enough to warrant offering an alternative proposal: deleting the words "at the first opportunity." It is important that refer unresolved disputes for an RfC or a 3O, but if these procedures are invoked every time two or three editors are discussing a wording, the already-understaffed RfC and 3O queues will become impossibly long, so judgment needs to be used regarding how long to carry on a talkpage discussion before posting the RfC or 3O templates. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:02, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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  • Broadly agree, though I have a few quibbles. The title is awkward - "Outside help" or even "Fresh eyes" is better. The implication behind "Sober eyes" is that those disagreeing have lost reason, rather than they just might not be able to reach agreement. Would prefer "are best referred" rather than "should be referred" - making it more a matter of advice on best practise, rather than an obligation that would become a cause for later criticism. My final quibble is regarding the sense that as this is a principle in an ArbCom case there is the sense that if people do not request outside help it could be seen as something sanctionable, and I'm wondering if seeking outside help is mandated in Misplaced Pages:Dispute resolution as something that "should" be done. We certainly require that if people are in disagreement that they discuss the matter and attempt to resolve it, but I'm unclear on the point at which we require them to themselves see they are not making progress. If they are still talking, then they might still be working toward a solution - or at least believing that they can together find a solution. I think that not utilising outside help can be seen as a fault if the disputing parties have been advised by several people that their dispute is entrenched, and they should seek outside help, and the parties refuse to do so to the detriment of the article or distraction from working on the project. SilkTork 12:28, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Editor interactions

5) Misplaced Pages editors are expected to behave reasonably, calmly, and courteously in their interactions with other editors; to approach even difficult situations in a dignified fashion and with a constructive and collaborative outlook; and to avoid acting in a manner that brings the project into disrepute. Unseemly conduct, such as personal attacks, incivility, assumptions of bad faith, harassment, disruptive point-making, and gaming the system, is prohibited.

Support:
  1. Proposed. AGK 22:06, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. T. Canens (talk) 01:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8.  Roger Davies 06:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  10. SilkTork 12:32, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Administrators

6) Administrators are trusted members of the community, and are expected to perform their duties to the best of their abilities; to behave in a respectful and civil manner in their interactions with others; to follow Misplaced Pages policies; to lead by example; and to learn from experience and from justified criticisms of their actions.

Occasional mistakes are entirely compatible with adminship; administrators are not expected to be perfect. However, sustained poor judgment, multiple violations of policy—whether in the use of administrator tools or otherwise—or particularly egregious behaviour may result in the removal of administrator status.

Support:
  1. Proposed. Taken from Misplaced Pages:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Rich Farmbrough. T. Canens (talk) 23:32, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Courcelles 00:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Newyorkbrad (talk) 01:10, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. — Coren  01:12, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 02:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:39, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8.  Roger Davies 06:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 09:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  10. SilkTork 12:34, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  11. AGK 11:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Repeated types of edits and community concerns

7) Editors whose contributions reflect repetition of a particular type of edit, such as creating placeholder stubs based on a database, should be sensitive to community input regarding whether their contributions are useful, whether the contributions contain repeated errors or are otherwise problematic, and how the contributions could be improved. A concern that would be mild and easily addressed if it affects one new article, may create substantial issues if it affects dozens or hundreds of articles. By being especially responsive to the views of other editors about the quality of such mass contributions, an editor maximizes the value of the substantial time he or she expends on these edits and helps to ensure their usefulness in creating the encyclopedia.

Support:
  1. Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  2. T. Canens (talk) 02:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  3. NW (Talk) 05:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  4.  Roger Davies 06:03, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  5. Worm(talk) 08:37, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  6. AGK 11:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Following another editor's contributions

8) It is important to distinguish between an editor's reviewing and as appropriate correcting or commenting on the edits of a fellow editor whose contributions are problematic, which is acceptable and in some cases necessary, and the practice referred to as "wikihounding" or "wikistalking," which constitutes a form of harassment and is prohibited. See Misplaced Pages:Harassment#Wikihounding, an important policy that addresses these issues. While the line separating proper from improper behavior in this area may not always be sharply defined, relevant factors include whether the subject editor's contributions are actually viewed as problematic by multiple users or the community; whether the concerned editor raises concerns appropriately on talkpages or noticeboards and explains why the edits are problematic; and ultimately, whether the concerns raised reasonably appear to be motivated by good-faith, substantiated concerns about the quality of the encyclopedia, rather than personal animus against a particular editor.

Support:
  1. Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:21, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  2. T. Canens (talk) 02:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  3. NW (Talk) 05:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  4. Yes, though perhaps a light copyedit to reduce sentence lengths might be in order?  Roger Davies 06:08, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  5. Worm(talk) 08:38, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  6. AGK 11:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Problematic editing

9) Contributors whose actions over a period of time are detrimental to the goal of creating a high-quality encyclopedia may be asked to refrain from those actions, when other efforts to address the issue have failed, even when their actions are undertaken in good faith.

Support:
  1. Proposed. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:25, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  2. T. Canens (talk) 02:20, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  3. NW (Talk) 05:35, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  4.  Roger Davies 06:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  5. Worm(talk) 08:39, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  6. AGK 11:09, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
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Proposed findings of fact

Doncram

Uncollegial behavior

1.1) Doncram has on many occasions been uncivil. He has repeatedly made accusations of harassment or misbehavior on the part of other editors without attempting to seek proper dispute resolution or disengage from interaction with those editors. He has also continued to make such statements after dispute resolution fora have concluded otherwise. (, , , , )

Support:
  1. Proposed by NuclearWarfare. AGK 22:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Courcelles 00:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. — Coren  01:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. T. Canens (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Hersfold 04:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Kirill  05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. NW (Talk) 06:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Some of the diffs are a bit iffy, but I can broadly support this,  Roger Davies 06:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 10:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Problems with articles

1.2) Doncram has a history of repeatedly creating articles with placeholder text and stubs with insufficient context for an outside observer to easily understand why the topic is considered significant. (, , ; Elkman and MSJapan's evidence)

Support:
  1. Proposed by NuclearWarfare. AGK 22:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Courcelles 00:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Though I should say that to me, failing to respond to concerns about those subs is the greater problem. — Coren  01:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. T. Canens (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 02:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Worm(talk) 10:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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  1. On reflection I cannot support this as it's asking us to make a judgement on content rather than behaviour. Better to have a finding that people have raised issues about Doncram's stubs, and he has not responded appropriately. SilkTork 12:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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  • While I gave these examples as general ones, Doncram is correct when he points out on the talk page that they are from 2011. I have added a "in the past" clause for now, as I think the problem is emblematic of the overall issue we have seen over the last few years. NW (Talk) 02:58, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • If it's in the past, and he's moved on, do we need a finding?  Roger Davies
  • Well, he has and he hasn't. His newer stubs are often a bit better, but not always. This issue was the primary driver of the disputes prior to 2012 though, and so I think it's worth keeping the finding. Perhaps a reword would be beneficial. NW (Talk) 06:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  • I am unclear on the problem with the examples cited - they all have an assertion of notability in that they are listed on the National Register of Historic Places. While it may be the case that not everything on that register meets Misplaced Pages notability, to state that a place is listed on the register would provide some context for an outside observer. If the finding was "Doncram has a history of repeatedly creating articles with placeholder text and stubs that other users have found problematic", and we had diffs of users complaining to Doncram about his stubs, that would be worthwhile - but this finding is asking us to make a judgement ourselves about the content value of those stubs. SilkTork 12:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Move warring

1.3) Doncram has repeatedly attempted to impose his point of view as to the proper title of an article without first seeking consensus in the usual manner.(, , , )

Support:
  1. Proposed by NuclearWarfare. AGK 22:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Courcelles 00:59, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. — Coren  01:14, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. T. Canens (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 03:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:13, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. Added two (2011) diffs,  Roger Davies 07:02, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 10:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Orlady

2) On many occasions, Orlady (talk · contribs)'s engagement with Doncram has been unprofessional and hostile (cf. Doncram's evidence). Moreover, Orlady has pursued Doncram across the project, and followed Doncram to new pages more often than could reasonably be expected from a contributor who merely has an irreproachable concern about the actions of another contributor (cf. The Devil's Advocate evidence). While Doncram's edits more than warranted further scrutiny, Orlady's persistent criticism of Doncram's edits yielded diminishing returns and made it more difficult to resolve this dispute without arbitration.

Support:
  1. Proposed. (Note to other arbitrators: this has been amended from the shorter rough draft I floated earlier.) AGK 22:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
  1. No, I don't see the misconduct by this editor, and absolutely not enough misconduct to warrant an arbitration finding. Courcelles 01:00, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. This is pretty much the opposite from what I observed. On the contrary, Orlady has been exemplary in her civility and decorum while pursuing what she reasonably saw as problematic editing, despite being repeatedly insulted and vilified. — Coren  01:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. T. Canens (talk) 02:37, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. NW (Talk) 03:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. In addition to the above comments by Courcelles and Coren, I cannot condone a finding that is supported by largely unsubstantiated evidence sections such as the linked one from Doncram. Additionally, while the Devil's Advocate's evidence is much better supported, I disagree with a number of the conclusions TDA draws from the facts presented there. Hersfold 04:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Kirill  05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Comments:

SarekOfVulcan

3) SarekOfVulcan (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) has admitted edit-warring with Doncram in order to try to have Doncram blocked for an extended period of time (Guerillero's evidence, SarekOfVulcan's statement).

Support:
  1. Proposed. AGK 22:13, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. With an extra link to support the "try to have Doncram blocked" part. T. Canens (talk) 23:36, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Courcelles 01:01, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. That was... unimpressive. — Coren  01:18, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. NW (Talk) 03:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Hersfold 04:20, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Kirill  05:42, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. With a minor copy edit (from "has edit warred with Doncram" to "has admitted edit-warring with Doncram" , which puts this rather big claim beyond dispute,  Roger Davies 06:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  9. Worm(talk) 10:09, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Proposed remedies

Note: All remedies that refer to a period of time, for example to a ban of X months or a revert parole of Y months, are to run concurrently unless otherwise stated.

Doncram

Banned indefinitely

1) Doncram is banned indefinitely from the English Misplaced Pages. After six months, he may appeal his ban to the Arbitration Committee, provided he is able to demonstrate to the Arbitration Committee that his history of disruptive conduct will not continue.

Support:
  1. Proposed by NuclearWarfare. AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. I really have no hope anything short of this will be effective in stopping the problems. Courcelles 01:08, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. As a last resort, iff no other remedies pass. Doncram's behaviour has been disruptive over a very long period and – unless some method to curtail it can be agreed upon – this may be the only way out. — Coren  01:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. T. Canens (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Second choice, I would also prefer some sort of lesser remedy in the hopes that Doncram will improve. I also am not certain other remedies will work, but hopefully I'm wrong. Hersfold 04:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
    Clarify; this is also a "iff nothing else passes" vote, since the remedies proposed aren't exclusive. I would probably fully support a limited-term ban, perhaps six months. Hersfold 04:30, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Only if any of 2 doesn't pass. Otherwise treat this as an oppose. NW (Talk) 06:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. As with some other arbitrators, iff any of the alternatives regarding do not pass. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
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Abstain:
Comments:
  • As I've noted internally, I think a significant remedy is required as to Doncram, but I believe it can and likely should be more nuanced than an outright ban from the project, and focused on the problematic aspects of his editing. Newyorkbrad (talk) 00:17, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

General editor probation

2.1) Doncram is placed under a general probation indefinitely. Any uninvolved administrator may, on his or her own discretion, impose sanctions if, despite being warned, Doncram repeatedly or seriously fails to adhere to the purpose of Misplaced Pages, any normal editorial process or any expected standards of behavior and decorum. These sanctions may include blocks, page or topic bans, instructions to refrain from a particular behavior, or any other sanction that the administrator deems appropriate. Sanctions imposed under this remedy may be appealed as if they were discretionary sanctions.

Doncram may not appeal this restriction for one year and is limited to an appeal once every six months thereafter.

Support:
  1. Proposed by Timotheus Canens (who notes it is taken from WP:ARBSL#David Tombe restricted). AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. If the ban passes, this will take effect when/if it is successfully appealed. T. Canens (talk) 02:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. This is an alternate wording of something I originally proposed on the ArbWiki. I have added a sentence about how Doncram can appeal individual sanctions. NW (Talk) 02:43, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. This proposal should cover just about any problem arising from Doncram's editing, without the need for bureaucracy that would slow down enforcement of this remedy or render it unworkable. Hersfold 04:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. I would be happy with this. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. I'm slightly concerned that, with this remedy, we may be "piling on" to Doncram. It's quite unusual for us to pass this many remedies against a single editor. Nevertheless, I accept that this is probably necessary if this dispute is not to be resurrected upon Doncram's return to the site. AGK 11:18, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
  1. This is neither narrowly tailored enough to minimally solve the problem, nor general enough to prevent it entirely. I will propose an alternate shortly. — Coren  01:27, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Not needed at this time; the conditions of any future return can be negotiated if/when that return takes place. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Per Kirill. Courcelles 01:42, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Abstain:
Comments:

General editor probation (Arbitration Enforcement)

2.2) Doncram is placed under a general probation indefinitely. A consensus of uninvolved administrators at the Arbitration Enforcement Noticeboard may impose restrictions on the manner or the nature of his editing when he breaches any expected standards of behavior, or disrupts normal editorial process. Such restrictions may include bans from editing any page or set of pages; restrictions on reverts or other specified behaviors; imposition of mandated external review; or any other measures which the imposing administrators believe are reasonably necessary to ensure the smooth functioning of the project. Such restrictions may be enforced by any uninvolved administrator with blocks of up to one year.

Support:
  1. Given that much of the disputed behaviour by Doncram stem from editorial standards that are currently vaguely defined or in dispute, I would much rather he not be subjected to individual opinion on whether he strayed out of line or not. I would suggest that enforcing administrators be careful in delineating any restriction as clearly as possible so as to avoid unnecessary contention. — Coren  01:48, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

    To clarify, I don't think that Doncram has any insurmountable problems with the manner of his editing, but he does seem unable to stop doing something others view as problematic when asked; becoming antagonistic and obstinate instead. This provides a method of saying "stop doing this" in an enforceable way. — Coren  01:50, 28 February 2013 (UTC)

Oppose:
  1. This is completely unworkable. The number of AE admins at any time is small, and any Doncram thread would almost certainly become filled with walls of text, further discouraging admins to read it. The net result is that it will likely take a long time, if not until the heat death of the universe, to get something resembling a consensus in those threads, effectively rendering the probation meaningless. T. Canens (talk) 02:40, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Per Tim. Hersfold 04:31, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. As in 2.1. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. Per 2.1. Courcelles 01:43, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  5. I'm not entirely sure why we need to make any general probation of Doncram enforceable only by a group of uninvolved administrators. Experience has shown that the ability to enforce this kind of remedy can just as easily be vested in the discretion of individual, uninvolved administrators. AGK 11:16, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Abstain:
Comments:

Orlady interaction ban

3) Orlady is indefinitely prohibited from interacting with Doncram (subject to the ordinary exceptions).

Support:
  1. Proposed. All else being equal, I think it is apparent that Orlady needs to be separated from Doncram; the two have been in dispute with one another for a significant period of time, and before anything else happens we need to make sure they don't continue interacting. AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
  1. I don't see the level of misconduct by Orlady to justify this, and in addition, I've said my peace before about the effectiveness, game-ability, and fairness of one-way interaction bans. Courcelles 01:03, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Definitely can't support a one-way ban here. T. Canens (talk) 01:07, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Even if I believed an interaction ban was warranted (and I do not), making it one-way is a disaster waiting to happen. — Coren  01:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. I do not like one-way bans, as they are too easily gamed and imply that there was no misconduct on the part of the person not sanctioned, which is the complete opposite of the case here. In light of the fact that Orlady's efforts to clean up Doncram's contributions has left him feeling harassed, I would recommend that Orlady consider taking a step back and allow/assist others to take the lead on these cleanup efforts, but I do not believe that any formal remedies are necessary w/r/t Orlady. Hersfold 04:33, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Certainly not a one way ban here. I would probably support a two way interation ban. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Abstain:
Comments:

Orlady–Doncram interaction ban

3.1) Orlady and Doncram are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with one another (subject to the ordinary exceptions).

Support:
  1. I still think it is necessary to separate these two parties, so I propose this as an alternative to 3). First choice. AGK 11:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

SarekOfVulcan

SarekOfVulcan admonished

4.1) For edit warring with Doncram, SarekOfVulcan is strongly admonished to behave with the level of professionalism expected of an administrator.

Support:
  1. Proposed. First choice, and may revise to my only choice if both proposals are close to one another in the level of support they attract from my colleagues. AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. First choice. T. Canens (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. That was really bad behaviour from an administrator. But it was some time ago and there is no evidence that this is likely to recur (and I'm certain that SarekOfVulcan understands the inevitable consequences if it does). — Coren  01:21, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. Iff 4.2 fails. Hersfold 04:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Second choice. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Second choice,  Roger Davies 07:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. This was not acceptable behaviour from an administrator, and Sarek needs to understand that. However, given the lenghth of time ago this happened and the likelihood of it re-occuring in my opinion, this is my first choice. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  8. First choice. NW (Talk) 21:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
  1. Insufficient for the level of misconduct here. Courcelles 01:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Abstain:
Comments:

SarekOfVulcan desysopped

4.2) For edit warring with Doncram, SarekOfVulcan is desysopped. He may only regain his administrator permissions through a successful RFA.

Support:
  1. Proposed. This is my (distant) second choice. AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Second choice. T. Canens (talk) 23:45, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Edit warring is one thing when you forget the 3RR, or just flat-out believe you're right and lose your head. Tactical and deliberate edit warring to get rid of an opponent, however, is reprehensible, and cannot be tolerated in an admin. Courcelles 01:06, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. This was an attempt by an involved administrator to game the system to get an editor blocked by edit warring with him. I consider this action to be worse than if Sarek had simply blocked Doncram himself, as Sarek clearly knew that doing so would be incorrect and tried to find some alternative, creating more disruption to the project in the process. Furthermore, there were multiple instances of edit warring as noted in Guerillero's evidence, including one instance of move warring. This is unacceptable conduct, and this is the only appropriate response. Hersfold 04:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. First choice. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Regretfully, first choice. While "admins are not perfect", I cannot reconcile cynically gaming the system with continued access to the tools.  Roger Davies 07:15, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Second choice, per comments above. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)


Oppose:
  1. This is out of proportion, given that there was no evidence that this was part of a pattern of misconduct. Certainly, Sarek displayed extraordinarily poor judgment in such gaming of the rules; but I see no reason to believe that he will not have learned to not repeat the performance. — Coren  01:23, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. Sufficiently far in the past that I am willing to give Sarek the benefit of the doubt that such a thing will not occur again. NW (Talk) 02:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Abstain:
Comments:

Mutual interaction ban

5) SarekOfVulcan and Doncram are indefinitely prohibited from interacting with each other (subject to the ordinary exceptions).

Support:
  1. Proposed. Courcelles 01:11, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. The relation between those two editors is volatile enough that they both behaved atrociously as a consequence. This may help separate them enough to prevent a recurrence. — Coren  01:24, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. Iff the ban on Doncram does not pass, otherwise this is an oppose. I don't see the point of interaction bans when one of the party is blocked/banned. This could also use an additional finding about the nature of the interactions between SoV and Doncram, though the evidence is certainly there. T. Canens (talk) 02:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
    As a general rule, we write remedies under the assumption that any party who is site-banned (even indefinitely) will at some stage be unbanned. This is a statistically sound assumption. AGK 11:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
  4. Would prefer a finding addressing this specifically, but this would be helpful, I think. Hersfold 04:41, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. In addition to 4.1 or 4.2. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7. Yup, I think this needs to happen. AGK 11:14, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
Abstain:
Comments:

Stub content debate remanded to community

6) The question of how substantive the content of a stub must be before it can legitimately be introduced to the mainspace as a stand-alone article cannot be decided by the Arbitration Committee. If the project is to avoid the stub guideline becoming a recurring problem in the future, we suggest to the community that this question may need to be decided through a deliberate attempt at conducting focussed, structured discussions in the usual way.

Support:
  1. Proposed. I don't think we need to go so far as to make this discussion happen, but the community may wish to tighten the stub policy separately from this case. AGK 22:18, 27 February 2013 (UTC)
  2. It's a little timid, but there is very little else we can do. Ultimately, this is a strictly editorial decision and we do not even have the luxury of having a limited number of straightforward options we can guide the community into selecting from. — Coren  01:53, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  3. T. Canens (talk) 02:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  4. I think that this has been discussed at length before (mostly along the lines of "Is 'John Doe (1895-1960) was an American businessman.' a valid stub?") so I don't know that a discussion will amount to much even if one is held, but I could be wrong. Hersfold 04:44, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  5. Kirill  05:45, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  6. Worm(talk) 10:19, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
  7.  Roger Davies 06:12, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
Oppose:
Abstain:
  1. Not convinced that these sorts of remedies have ever been particularly useful, but I don't oppose it either. NW (Talk) 21:46, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Comments:


Proposed enforcement

Standard Enforcement

0) Should any user subject to a restriction in this case violate that restriction, that user may be blocked, initially for up to one month, and then with blocks increasing in duration to a maximum of one year. Appeals of blocks may be made to the imposing administrator, and thereafter to arbitration enforcement, or to the Arbitration Committee. All blocks shall be logged in the appropriate section of the main case page. (Default provision: adopted by motion on 4 June 2012.)

Comments:

Discussion by Arbitrators

General

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Implementation notes

Clerks and Arbitrators should use this section to clarify their understanding of the final decision--at a minimum, a list of items that have passed. Additionally, a list of which remedies are conditional on others (for instance a ban that should only be implemented if a mentorship should fail), and so on. Arbitrators should not pass the motion until they are satisfied with the implementation notes.

Proposals which pass
Principles 1~6
Findings 1.1~1.3, 3
Remedies 1, 4.1
{Passing enforcement provisions}
Proposals which do not pass
{Failing principles}
{Failing findings}
{Failing remedies}
{Failing enforcement provisions}

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