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BLP and cancer
Given the media are unanimous in saying they dont know what type of cancer Chavez has it is unacceptable for us to use shoddy references to claim he has cancer of the colon, I have removed these, citing our biography of living persons policy, WP:BLP. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 19:37, 9 December 2012 (UTC)
- Since we're on the subject, it says his third term will last six years. Given the current situation that's unlikely. In fact it's unlikely he will even start it. Can someone change it from "will serve six years" to "was elected to serve another six years" or something? 89.142.127.213 (talk) 17:23, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- Do you say it is unlikely because of his illness? Arbitrarily0 17:54, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
- The second comment is correct. Even with cancer aside, we don't know if Chavez (or any other head of state) will rule for a certain time period. There are several things that may happen: death, impeachment, coup, resignation, etc. The thing that is certain is the length of the mandate that was at stake in the last elections. Cambalachero (talk) 20:02, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
We can never tell if any ruler will complete their mandate, Chavez may be at greater risk of death but every human being is at risk every day. Important that we frame things not to be a crystal ball. Thanks, ♫ SqueakBox talk contribs 13:30, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Also, this is wrong: "On 30 June 2011, Chávez stated that he was recovering from a 10 June operation to remove an abscessed tumor with cancerous cells. He required a second operation in December 2012." He had two surgeries in june and another in april, this was his fourth related surgery. We can use the same source, it says as much.89.143.43.7 (talk) 12:05, 25 December 2012 (UTC)
The article still states that it is unknown if Chavez will return to Venezuela by January 10. Ten days later, it is pretty clear that he did not. The article should be updated (I cannot edit it, or I would fix it). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.23.126.79 (talk) 03:57, 21 January 2013 (UTC)
- I concur, and suggest this is added: "Chavez missed his inauguration on January 10th. As of January 24th, 2013 his status and date of return remain unknown." There's a ahort article on this in english version of El Universal, if we need a source.193.2.253.126 (talk) 12:05, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
According new information from Cuba, Chávez will be release from hospital at 5 February.--89.176.61.66 (talk) 23:46, 22 January 2013 (UTC)
- Can you source that? The last information from Cuba that I recall had Chavez exercising by 15th december. If that were accurate, he wouldn't have missed the inauguration.193.2.253.126 (talk) 12:06, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Here is original report from "Doctors for Life" in Spanish. http://www.venezueladeverdad.gob.ve/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/medicos_de_lavida.pdf . If I did mistake in some part of own translation, or something else, then pardon.--89.176.61.66 (talk) 18:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Words such as "hypothetical" and "assumptions" crop up in vital phrases. The report doesn't actually tell anything, it just assumes he's doing fine and will be back on february 5th. It really reads like the run of the mill info-free Venezuelanalysis garbage. Given that there is no indication of his life or lucidity, that he wasn't even able to attend inauguration or sign two pieces of paper and that he was always anything but camera-shy on top of all that, it leads me to conclude the only usefulness of the report is TP. No offence meant.86.61.50.176 (talk) 21:37, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I concur that venezuelanalysis.com is trash and has several aggressive authors who have successfully embedded 10 links, drastically boosting their blog's SEO. I am ashamed to see it and wish an established editor would take it on ASAP. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.50.93 (talk) 19:59, 3 March 2013 (UTC)
- Not surprisingly, he wasn't back on February 5th. Are there any more reports you think we should know about?89.143.141.45 (talk) 15:06, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
hi i am a regular user of Misplaced Pages and on his death in the article it cites fox news as one of the sources and in Universities the UK unis anyway we see things like the sun, NOTW, Daily Mail and Fox News above all as unreliable sources and i think it should be changed to a more reliable source. Thank you. P.S. sorry about the bad grammer. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.175.136.13 (talk) 23:11, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Maduro just went on national television and claimed that the US planted cancer inside Chavez (translated). (waits for Venezuelaanalysis.com to reguritate about "CIA" planting cancer and the plight of the socialist revolution, then suddenly random author places link back into wikipedia and fights off any edits citing that URL as a valid source) ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.252.50.93 (talk) 01:52, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Recent developments
The recent developments in his health need to be addressed a bit more thorughly, namely: - Supreme court ruled that inauguration of a sitting president can be postponed, and vice-president Maduro called it "a formality", not the court. The court also didn't rule that the inauguration can be bypassed, but that it can be postponed. We could also add that some constitutional experts disagreed (http://www.eluniversal.com/nacional-y-politica/121220/venezuelan-experts-president-chavez-must-take-office-next-january-10) - the two signatures Maduro produced were identical in their form (see a nice picture on Venezuela devil blog), which is impossible. There is no evidence Chavez was aware of the signatures, and his hand certainly didn't sign both of them. This should be included. The part about "opposition politicians" should be eliminated, since it's not limited to them.193.2.253.126 (talk) 12:18, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
- Why am I prevented from editing this article in a factual manner, as substantiated by the BBC? Chavez is regaining strength. This has been widely reported in international media. I allege US capitalist bias! Like it or not, Hugo Chavez is all of your betters, and he deserves factual coverage. Nat (talk) 07:54, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
- Correction: the people in power who have everything to loose if Chavez were to die claim he's gaining strength. Back in reality, the media attention freak hasn't been seen, heard or red from in a verifiable way for nearly 60 days. Smart money says he's dead or incapacitated.193.2.253.126 (talk) 07:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
- Why am I prevented from editing this article in a factual manner, as substantiated by the BBC? Chavez is regaining strength. This has been widely reported in international media. I allege US capitalist bias! Like it or not, Hugo Chavez is all of your betters, and he deserves factual coverage. Nat (talk) 07:54, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
Chavez is dead??
CNN Chile is reporting Chávez as dead: http://www.cnnchile.com/noticia/2013/02/27/ex-embajador-de-panama-en-la-oea-hugo-chavez-esta-muerto#.US6j6iZ-QfI.twitter — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.38.208.72 (talk) 01:35, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- Here is another source backing it up, but there is still uncertainty. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 06:29, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
- No, they are quoting someone who made the claim that he died Dec. 31st. No explanation of how he was able to make public appearances after his death. TFD (talk) 13:04, 28 February 2013 (UTC)
Heres another claim from today March 5 2013 http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/05/world/americas/venezuela-chavez-main/index.html Check it out.
Insignificant amount
One and a quarter tonnes is an insignificant amount, not worth mention in the scale of the problem that Misión Mercal seeks to address. Perhaps the editor meant to write 1.25 million metric tonnes? That would signify something.
The other problem with the statement that:
In 2008 the amount of discounted food sold through the network was 1.25 metric tonnes.
is that I couldn't find it in the reference cited. Nor could I find a corroborating quote on the Mission Mercal page.
yoyo (talk) 16:44, 1 March 2013 (UTC)
The correct number is 1.25 million; it has been corrected. The figure is listed on page 12 of the citation. Redd Foxx 1991 (talk) 00:09, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Hugo Chávez has died
The vice president has just announced it. Reports are pending... — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:00, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Would somebody update the succession boxes? I've made 7 attempts & got edit-conflicted each time. GoodDay (talk) 22:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Chávez has "died" about a dozen times over the past 60 days. I would wait. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 189.38.210.150 (talk) 22:15, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
CONFIRMED in numerous reliable sources in the last couple of minutes. Safiel (talk) 22:18, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Would somebody make the updates to the infobox? I've made 12 attempts, but was edit-conflicted each time. PS: This article need semi-protection. GoodDay (talk) 22:20, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- It has been semiprotected for some time, actually. This is just the rush of registered accounts. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:25, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
(1) Venezuela's crime rate does not serve in any way to inform people about Hugo Chavez's death. Please remove that from the Death section. (2) Where on earth are people getting the idea that Maduro has actually succeeded as President? The constitution prescribes that the the National Assembly President (Diosdado Cabello) shall be interim president on the President's unavailability. Maduro will become President if, as Chavez recommended, he is elected in upcoming vacancy elections. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 22:36, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- I agree that the murder rates and inflation statement should be removed from the section about Chavez's death. I do not understand why they would not be in the main text of the article, rather than a section about his death. 108.48.38.167 (talk) 23:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
In table of contents: "Presidency: 1999-present" should read "...1999-2013(death)" 198.144.192.45 (talk) 22:40, 5 March 2013 (UTC) Twitter.Com/CalRobert (Robert Maas)
Who's Chavez's immediate successor?
Who assumes the presidential powers & duties, until the special presidential election? GoodDay (talk) 22:47, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- The President of the National Assembly, Diosdado Cabello. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 22:53, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Nicolás Maduro is currently acting. Ryan Vesey 22:57, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- What is your source? The constitution prescribes (as of 2006) exactly what I said, pending special elections to fill the vacancy. Chavez recommended that people vote for Maduro if and when those elections occur, but they have not yet. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 23:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- Chavez handpicked Maduro . Whether or not this is constitutional is irrelevant as sources are reporting that Maduro is taking over leadership. Cabello has reportedly accepted Chavez' decision BBC. Ryan Vesey 00:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- The Herald article says nothing about Maduro now taking over the presidency of the republic, but says quite clearly that he would have to be elected. The BBC article is qualified by "seems", i.e. the reporter is attempting to read Cabello's mind. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 01:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Chavez handpicked Maduro . Whether or not this is constitutional is irrelevant as sources are reporting that Maduro is taking over leadership. Cabello has reportedly accepted Chavez' decision BBC. Ryan Vesey 00:37, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- What is your source? The constitution prescribes (as of 2006) exactly what I said, pending special elections to fill the vacancy. Chavez recommended that people vote for Maduro if and when those elections occur, but they have not yet. 50.136.204.189 (talk) 23:07, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
- There's a dispute occurring at Diosdado Cabello, over this very topic. GoodDay (talk) 00:25, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
There is no source that states that Nicolas Maduro is the acting President, but the constitution states that if the president didn't started his term (Chávez didn't swore before leaving to cuba so he didn't start his next term) the President of the National assembly (Diosdado Cabello) would be the acting President, We already have a discussion at Diosdado Cabello. MrGcCc (talk) 01:38, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- Are you suggesting that Chavez hasn't been President since January 10, 2013? GoodDay (talk) 02:23, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Death subsection
" Under his socialist rule, inflation had soared, and the Venezuelan murder rate had quadrupled, reaching one of the highest in the world."
Why is the above sentence in this subsection? If one wants to criticize Chavez, it should be under the criticism section of his political activities. Not bizarrely inserted here. Druep (talk) 23:21, 5 March 2013 (UTC)
Diosdado Cabello NOT acting president
It hasn't been confirmed by any of the powers in the country that Diosdado Cabello asumed the presidency. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carlosgaio20 (talk • contribs) 01:42, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- In regards to what is said above, I think the best option is to not state any successor at this time. Don't state Cabello, don't state Maduro. Ryan Vesey 01:45, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
"Wandering Jews"
The two citations provided for the alleged "wandering jews" remark seem unreliable. The first source cites two other sources, including this page, a poorly punctuated, unsourced, and one sentence long article with no named author, and the other links back to the second source used by the wikipedia article. This other source also cites nothing and is anonymously written. If anyone can find a reliable source for this, it should replace the two non peer-reviewed, non-cited, anonymous sources. Otherwise, this should be scrapped as baseless slander.
Regards. Polyglotism (talk) 01:55, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
The Stephen Roth Institute for the Study of Contemporary Anti-Semitism at Tel Aviv University is a reliable source. Any other questions? Mocctur (talk) 02:17, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
Unless the Stephen Roth Institute is doing original reporting here, this is an alleged direct quote which would require a direct source. I don't doubt whoever authored this was acting in good faith, but quotes are often erroneously attributed to people even in academic contexts. The anonymous article posted on the Stephen Roth Institute's website cites nothing to support this and I can find absolutely no record of this comment made in news sources. I did not mean to imply that Tel Aviv University is not a legitimate academic source, but since the source simply alleges this quote without providing any evidence. Reliable as an institution, sure. Suitable evidence for this quote, absolutely not.
Polyglotism (talk) 02:35, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
- I've looked for other sources to verify that quote but there are none (besides those that link back to the first website). Considering BLP and REDFLAG, it should be removed. Furious Style (talk) 02:41, 6 March 2013 (UTC)
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