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April 29, 2013

page of Sümela Monastery moved to Soumela Monastery by a Greek user without any consensus or discussion . The only explanation is " more common spelling". After, user again moved article today Unfortunately, there is not a single statement. Sümela Monastery, referred to by many official and non-official institution with this naming. Also, violation of the policies and guidelines of Misplaced Pages, WP:COMMONNAME, WP:NPOV. Correction of this mistake is that essential poses. --Maurice (talk) 23:57, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

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April 28, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Fuckin' Perfect → F**ckin' Perfect – It seems above that there was a discussion at one point about why the page title was "Fuckin' Perfect" instead of "F**kin' Perfect". As far as I can tell, the page was supposedly moved as a result. However, if it was moved, then it seems to have been moved back without explanation. As per the above discussion, I feel it should be moved (back) to "F**kin' Perfect", as that IS the name of the song. 86.31.34.21 (talk) 20:22, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Turkish invasion of Cyprus → Turkish intervention in Cyprus – Extensive discussions few years ago but should be a no-brainer now: (1)Google hits, 5,110,000 results for Turkish intervention in Cyprus vs. 1,480,000 results for Turkish invasion of Cyprus; (2) Google scholar hits, 26,900 results for Turkish intervention in Cyprus vs. 18,500 results for Turkish invasion of Cyprus; (3) United nations uses "intervention" ; (4) CIA World Factbook uses "intervention" (background section); (5) US State Department uses "intervention" ; (6) European Union uses "intervention" . In Turkey, sometimes "Cyprus Peace Operation is used, but this is also POV. Intervention seems neutral. Cavann (talk) 19:20, 28 April 2013 (UTC)

April 27, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Limerick → Limerick (Ireland) – No primary topic. City in Ireland of roughly 50k residents (~100k in metro area), the county that it is a part of, a couple of well-known poetic and musical terms, various smaller cities, a style of knitting lace, etc., all combine to make it clear to me that we have absolutely no primary topic. According to WP:PRIMARYTOPIC to avoid having Limerick be a disambiguation page, the city would either have to be far more likely to be searched for as this name than other topics (dubious, as both the poem and the city are significant topics) or one would have to have a substantially greater long-term significance, which seems unlikely to me (the form of poetry has been around 120+ years, and the city for far longer; none of the main meanings are transitory or anywhere near insignificant). Obviously, most if not all other uses are named after the city, but nowhere in any policy or guideline that I am aware of does that mean the Irish city must (or should) be the primary topic. Relisted. Favonian (talk) 22:32, 27 April 2013 (UTC). Red Slash 20:53, 20 April 2013 (UTC)

April 26, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Only Love Strangers → Zhi ai moshengren – This title (只爱陌生人) may have been faithfully translated to Only Love Strangers. However, moshengren (陌生人) is both plural and singular word for "stranger(s)". There are guidelines, like MOS:ALBUM and WP:PINYIN. But we must solely focus on usage of translated titles, Only Love Strangers and Lovers and/& Strangers, based on reliable sources, not on fandom and fansites. Very little sources for "Only Love Strangers" are found. The other title is not exactly accurate and not commonly used as well by news articles except BBC. For an effective discussion, we must avoid using post-2005 sources, as they must have used Misplaced Pages or a fansite as a translator. George Ho (talk) 07:07, 26 April 2013 (UTC)

April 25, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Daniel Tupý → Murder of Daniel Tupý – The article is about one specific and newsworthy event. WIth the current title the article appears to be a biography of the gentleman, but it is not. Indeed his life, important as he was to the people who surrounded him, was not and is not notable in a Misplaced Pages sense. The brutal act of his murder appeared in many reliable sources and thus qualified the act of his murder for an article in its own right, though others might argue, especially as time passes, that this might later be subsumed into a more general article about murders or crime in Slovakia. It should be noted that no disrespect to him or those who are affected by his murder is intended by this request to move the article to a name congruent with current Misplaced Pages naming practices. Fiddle Faddle (talk) 11:19, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Vaio → VAIO – * While this would normally be a great example of "stylized form", VAIO is an acronym. I'm getting sick of people thinking that outside sources are somehow more important than the actual product creators when it comes to the name of that product. No, this is not a controversial move, at all. Despatche (talk) 08:43, 25 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Ceramic → Ceramics – The location of this page (the result of an article split that was apparently later remerged), I believe, is in error. The singular noun to describe ceramic materials is ceramics. In my entire life I have only ever once, ever, seen the word "ceramic" used as a noun, and that is in the awkward first sentence of this article. I understand that as a rule we use singular titles. The singular title should be ceramics. (See here, where "ceramics" can be understood as taking a singular verb.)While the article about magnetic objects correctly lies at magnet (no "s") as per our naming policy, the name for the study of physical science is physics; and though the name for numerical entities is at number, the name for the study of numerical relations is mathematics... and just like physics and mathematics, ceramics is undeniably a singular noun in common use (though it can be used plurally as well). The name for the field of fired clay material is ceramics. With WP:UCN as my guide, I humbly propose this move request. Red Slash 01:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)

April 24, 2013

  • (Discuss) – An Tu → An Tư – Restore to original title and correct vowel sound. A semi-legendary figure of a bride given to a Mongolian invader, princess An Tư only appears in English sources in the context of the title of a drama about her - where it is written in English as Vietnamese "An Tư". ư is a close central unrounded vowel like the ɨ sound in South-Eastern British "roses" . The undiscussed move to u is to a close back rounded vowel like Italian, Spanish or German "u", or "boot" in Singaporean English. This may sound trivial but Tu and Tư are different words in Vietnamese and connect back to different 11th-19th Century Sino-Vietnamese characters. "An Tư" (安姿) means "peaceful figure", the little hook on the ư is as much part of the name as the dots in Chloë or Zoë. In ictu oculi (talk) 04:36, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – The Line → The Line (Heroes) – This episode doesn't appear to meet WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. The other uses of "The Line" happen to all be listed at Line#Arts. One of those is a song without its own article, so this page needs to be compared against The Line (film) and The Line (TV series). This page had the most views of the three last month, but only with 931 views. The others received 182 and 805, respectively. So it's not "more likely than all the other topics combined" to be sought. And there's little reason to believe this single episode will have more "long-term significance" than a film or a whole series. After cleaning up incoming links, this title should redirect to the dab Line. BDD (talk) 01:30, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

April 23, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Syringa → Lilac – "Syringa" continues to be a very odd choice for the name of this article. First, as noted in the previous move request, the move to Syringa was undiscussed and the only reason given was "sci name". Yes, "Syringa" is the scientific name for this genus, but that alone is not reason to move. There has to be some other reason.In the previous request, one commenter suggested that "Syringa" was better because "Lilac" might refer to the species Syringa vulgaris rather than to the genus as a whole. But this is uncompelling as an argument, because Lilac already redirects here, to this article, which covers all plants known as lilacs. Moving this article to Lilac would not change which article people see when they search for that term, so leaving it at Syringa provides no benefit to the reader over moving it.The second comment in the previous request feared "belaboring the distinction between various species or hybrids", but I don't see any reason that would be necessary. We already have hatnotes pointing to Lilac (disambiguation) and Syringa (disambiguation); that would not change after a move to the common name. No additional hatnotes would be needed, nor would we remove either of the existing ones. (We'd just swap which was {{redirect}} and which was {{otheruses}}.Finally, I believe the proposed title meets all of the criteria specified at WP:Article titles:*Recognizability – Most laymen are not familiar with the genus name Syringa. "Lilac" is far more recognizable.*Naturalness – "Lilac" is the title which the vast majority of people would enter to find this article, not "Syringa".*Precision – The proposed title is sufficiently unique, as evidenced by the fact that it already redirects here. That makes this the primary topic for the term "Lilac".*Conciseness – Neither title is appreciably longer than the other, but "Lilac" is just a bit shorter.*Consistency - WP:FLORA asks us to use a common name when the plant taxon has a notable product or use under that name; such is the case here, where the lilac blossom is the recognizable and most notable part of the plant. This is consistent with articles like rose (not Rosa) and tulip (not Tulipa).-- Powers 21:21, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Puducherry → Pondicherry (Union Territory) – The previous discussion is several years old, the more common in English both in India and especially elsewhere is Pondicherry, and even the government in official publications uses Pondicherry for the territory. See for example:Usage here by Panchayat Informatics Division in the National Panchayat Directory; and Only Kerala and Pondicherry have sex ratio in favor of females for all the areas, Manipur has preponderance of females in urban areas (1009). from . Bejnar (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Bortle Dark-Sky Scale → Bortle scale – Per the closing advice of the first RM above, I've revising the proposed new name and starting a new RM. This scale is widely referred to by various names, including very commonly "Bortle scale". A large number of the instances of "Bortle Dark-Sky Scale" in books are references to Bortle's paper title "Introducing the Bortle Dark-Sky Scale", which is usually but not always capitalized. Based on the diversity of things it's called, and lowercasing, there's little evidence that there's a proper name here. Might as well go with the concise generic term used in about 50 books. With wiki-mirror books excluded, few books use the full expression. Relisted. —Darkwind (talk) 01:14, 23 April 2013 (UTC) Dicklyon (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

April 22, 2013

  • (Discuss) – Luther W. Tilden House → Luther F. Tilden House – Request consideration of correct name for this place, and possible move to "Luther F. Tilden House" if that is correct rather than "Luther W. Tilden House". The building is listed in the U.S. National Register of Historic Places' National Register Information System (NRIS) as "Luther F.", but there are occasional errors in NRIS. A non-logged in editor noted in an edit summary in 2012 that "This is really the Luther W. Tilden house-- it's Luther F's SON. Luther F's two homes are further south on the same road". Perhaps that information is correct. Please help figure out what is correct information and help find sources to resolve this! doncram 17:14, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

Backlog

  • (Discuss) – GZA → Gza – to be moved as per WP:ALLCAPS, etc. - GZA is not an initialism or acronym, it is pronounced 'jizza' and is intended to reflect the sound a turntable makes when scratching the word 'genius' (which is the artist's alternative moniker), the capitalisation is purely stylistic and against WP guidelines. Wetdogmeat (talk) 03:29, 21 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Boat lift → Canal boat lift – This article has a serious name problem. The 1875 "Anderton Boat Lift" clearly has precedence, if that was the term used originally. But modern US and worldwide usage of the term is for the fixed device to store boats above the water at docks. (Question: what are the translations of the non-English names used for these products?) Previous discussion cites the 200+ patents as use of the term. I note that the Anderton device is always described using two words, and the storage device as one word.I propose a two name changes: rename the present article to Canal boat lift, and rename Shiplift to Shiplift or Dock Boatlift. The latter article includes some mention of traveling lifts, to park multiple big ships; it should be expanded to include sling-types, and boatyard/marina cranes. A paragraph was added for pleasure craft storage-type dock boatlifts. When enough material is available about the history of those things, that could be put into its own Dock Boatlift article. If or is a no-no in a title, then I suppose portable boat lift could be renamed as Dock Boatlift for now and rewritten to include the paragraph in Shiplift and also the portable cranes which are apparently also called Boat lifts, until there is enough content about the cranes to justify an article. --Relisted. Steel1943 (talk) 03:26, 21 April 2013 (UTC) relisting see below Andrewa (talk) 21:33, 19 April 2013 (UTC) 165.121.80.132 (talk) 01:20, 11 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – Central tendency → Measure of central tendency – Measure of central tendency is a well defined and well referenced statistical concept. It is also what this article is about. On the other hand Central tendency is vague and open to interpretation. It might be debatable whether a particular distribution has or does not have a central tendency. But even if we agree that it doesn't have a central tendency it still certainly has its "Measures of central tendency". It's just the way that things have been defined. I know that it's tempting to think that if something has a measure then the thing itself must be well defined. But in this case it really isn't so. It's just a Math thing. Dingo1729 (talk) 15:54, 20 April 2013 (UTC)
  • (Discuss) – 2011-2013 Iranian protests → 2011-2012 Iranian protests – The 2013 information has been removed and, I believe, rightfully so, as it wasn't shown to be connected to the main protest nor any of the groups involved in said protest. Meanwhile, we have evidence and sources that do discuss the protest up until February 14th, 2012. This is involving the same groups as during the prior year. For now, that is as far as the sources we have say these protests have gone, so unless further sources are presented that connect to these groups and document later activity, this article should remain as only 2011-2012. Silverseren 23:49, 19 April 2013 (UTC)