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Here the community can nominate articles to be selected as "Today's featured article" (TFA) on the main page. The TFA section aims to highlight the range of articles that have "featured article" status, from Art and architecture through to Warfare, and wherever possible it tries to avoid similar topics appearing too close together without good reason. Requests are not the only factor in scheduling the TFA (see Choosing Today's Featured Article); the final decision rests with the TFA coordinators: Wehwalt, Dank, Gog the Mild and SchroCat, who also select TFAs for dates where no suggestions are put forward. Please confine requests to this page, and remember that community endorsement on this page does not necessarily mean the article will appear on the requested date.
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Currently accepting requests from March 1 to March 31.
Date | Article | Points | Notes | Supports | Opposes |
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Nonspecific 1 | Hiram Wesley Evans | 1 or 2 | n/a | 4 | 0 |
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Nonspecific 3 | United States Senate election in Ohio, 1898 | 2 | Nothing similar in 6 months | 2 | 0 |
Nonspecific 4 | 2012 tour of She Has a Name | 2 | Nothing similar in 6 months | 2 | 0 |
June 28 | John Young Brown | 1 | date relevance (1), 2+ years FA (2), recent similar article (-2) | 1 | 1 |
July 13 | History of Gibraltar | 8 | date relevance (6), no recent similar article (2) | 29 | 3 |
Tally may not be up to date; please do not use these tallies for removing a nomination according to criteria 1 or 3 above unless you have verified the numbers. The nominator is included in the number of supporters.
Nonspecific date nominations
Nonspecific date 1
Hiram Wesley Evans (1881–1966) was Imperial Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan, an American white supremacist group, from 1922 to 1939. A native of Alabama, Evans was a dentist in Texas until 1920, when he joined the Klan's Dallas chapter. He quickly rose through the ranks and, after ousting William J. Simmons as Imperial Wizard, sought to transform the group into a political juggernaut. Although Evans had kidnapped and tortured a black man while leader of the Dallas Klan, as Imperial Wizard he publicly discouraged vigilante actions. He also led major gatherings and marches, endorsed several successful candidates in 1924 elections, and promoted the Klan as a nativist, Protestant group. Despite this, the Klan was buffeted by damaging publicity in the early 1920s, and the Great Depression of the 1930s severely damaged the Klan's finances and Evans' own income. In 1939 Evans, having lost favor within the Klan for disavowing anti-Catholicism, was succeeded by James A. Colescott; the following year he was fined $15,000 for price fixing. Historians credit Evans with refocusing the Klan on political activities and recruiting outside the Southern United States; the Klan grew most in the Midwest and industrial cities. However, they note that the political influence and membership gained were transitory. (Full article...)- 1 or 2 point(s) - Can't think of any white supremacists on the main page recently. This article would likely be controversial, but I think it's worth running to show how Misplaced Pages can remain neutral. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:39, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. High quality and encyclopedic article about a deceased individual of historical significance. Though the person that is the subject of the biographical article is no longer living, the relevance should be interesting and educational for those at the secondary level of education and beyond. — Cirt (talk) 17:18, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Concur with the comments by Crisco and Cirt, above. If it appears as TFA there will indubitably be some left-wing ninny who accuses Misplaced Pages of promoting white supremacists by featuring the article, and very probably a right-wing ninny who complains that publishing the picture of Evans looking ludicrous as the Wicked Witch of the West is sending him up. It is in fact (I speak as a middle-of-the-road ninny) a commendably neutral article, which can't have been easy to achieve. Tim riley (talk) 09:39, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. An excellent article, and a valuable spotlight on a dark period in American history. Prioryman (talk) 18:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Question What's meant by "publicly discouraged vigilante actions"? Did he privately encourage them? The blurb seems a bit positive given that this guy headed a truly hateful organisation. Nick-D (talk) 12:07, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Added a sentence and phrase, both of which should address your concerns. None of our sources indicated that Evans (as Wizard) led lynchings or other such acts, so we focused on his political maneuverings. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:33, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
Nonspecific date 2
Nonspecific date 3
The 1898 United States Senate election in Ohio took place in that state's legislature on January 12. The Republican incumbent, Mark Hanna, had been appointed by Governor Asa Bushnell on March 5, 1897 to fill the vacancy caused by the resignation of John Sherman; the appointment was only good until the legislature met and made its own choice. Republicans kept their majority in the election that November, apparently assuring Hanna's election once the new body met in January 1898. However, before the legislative session, the Democrats allied with a number of Republicans, seeking to defeat Hanna, and took control of both houses of the legislature. The coalition decided on Cleveland Mayor Robert McKisson as their candidate the day before the balloting began. Three Republican state representatives who had voted with the Democrats to organize the legislature switched sides and voted for Hanna, who triumphed with a bare majority. Bribery was alleged; legislative leaders complained to the United States Senate, which took no action.(Full article...)Just keeping the process busy. Probably a couple of points someplace or other, we've certainly never had a legislative election to the Senate.--Wehwalt (talk) 02:24, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support, interesting article relating to politicians long since no longer alive, however even though they are dead and passed on and ceased to be, it is historically educational for readers, students, educators, and editors, alike. — Cirt (talk) 06:02, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
Nonspecific date 4
The 2012 tour of She Has a Name was a fringe theatre tour across Canada of Andrew Kooman's She Has a Name, a play about human trafficking. The tour was co-produced by Burnt Thicket Theatre and Raise Their Voice and was directed by Stephen Waldschmidt. The five-person cast featured Carl Kennedy, Evelyn Chew, Glenda Warkentin, Alysa van Haastert, and Sienna Howell-Holden. Despite the fact that She Has a Name is set in Southeast Asia, the producers deliberately cast mostly actors who were not of Asian descent to avoid the impression that human trafficking happens only in Asia. Panel discussions were held after the Saturday matinées during the tour to raise awareness about human trafficking that takes place in Canada and elsewhere. A Better World (ABW) partnered with Raise Their Voice throughout the tour; while She Has a Name toured across Canada to raise awareness about human trafficking, ABW raised money to help women and children who had been trafficked in Thailand as part of the country's prostitution industry. Critical ratings of the performances that employed stars ranged between 3 and 5 stars out of 5. (Full article...)I believe this blurb has 2 or 3 points. There has never been a TFA about human trafficking, nor has there been one about a theatre tour. I also haven't seen any similar articles featured on the main page for the past several months. Neelix (talk) 03:15, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support, high quality article. High encyclopedic value. High educational value. I believe that Neelix (talk · contribs) is correct that there has never been a TFA about human trafficking, and it is an important topic for readers and educators alike to learn more about. — Cirt (talk) 04:10, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
Specific date nominations
June 28
John Young Brown (1835-1904)
John Young Brown (1835–1904) represented Kentucky in the United States House of Representatives and served as its 31st governor. He was first elected to the House in 1859, despite not being old enough to serve. An unsuccessful gubernatorial candidate in 1871, he was elected to the House in 1872 and served three consecutive terms. During his final term, he was censured for excoriating Massachusetts Representative Benjamin F. Butler. He was elected governor in 1891, but his administration, and the state Democratic Party, were split between his fellow gold standard supporters and supporters of the free coinage of silver, and he accomplished little. The deaths of two of his children diverted his attention from politics, but a group of Democrats unhappy with party nominee William Goebel nominated him for governor in 1899. After winning a controversial election, Goebel was assassinated, and Brown served as defense counsel for accused assassination conspirator Caleb Powers. (Full article...)Governor of Kentucky, 1 pt for day of birth, 2 pts for 2+ years featured,
- Oppose: James Garrard, the *2nd* Governor of Kentucky, is scheduled for June 7 and is a little too close in scope for this to appear quite so soon. At least in my opinion. GeeJo ⁄(c) • 22:01, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, this happened because Garrard, first suggested in January, was then too close to someone else and moved to here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- The article still gets the 2-point penalty for a recent similar article, so 1 point. Bencherlite 22:47, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Yes, this happened because Garrard, first suggested in January, was then too close to someone else and moved to here ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:37, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- Edited the blurb to highlight the most important facts of his life; it may be just a hair too long. If this isn't chosen for the requested date because of the proximity to Garrard, at least the blurb is ready for any future nominations. Thanks for thinking of my work! Acdixon 13:47, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose the point penalties are the bureaucracy of the page, the support/opposes are the flesh and blood responses of people who care about main page. I'd consider opposing having two governors of American states in the same month. That they were governors of the same state makes this a definite oppose. If this was a significant anniversary, I might consider it, but it can run next year, or on the date of his death, or first election etc. And I note that the coming January 11th will be the 110th anniversary of his death. --Dweller (talk) 10:54, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
July 13
History of Gibraltar
The history of Gibraltar (pictured in 1782) spans over 2,900 years. First inhabited 50,000 years ago by the Neanderthals, Gibraltar may have been one of their last refuges before their extinction. To the Carthaginians and Romans it was one of the Pillars of Hercules at the mouth of the Mediterranean Sea. Moors from North Africa first settled and fortified it, calling it Jebel al-Tarik, later corrupted into Gibraltar. Castile contested it and eventually conquered it in 1462, after which it became part of Spain. An Anglo-Dutch force seized it in 1704. It was ceded to Britain under the Treaty of Utrecht, signed on 13 July 1713. Spain unsuccessfully besieged Gibraltar in 1704, 1727 and 1779–83; its status is still disputed. The territory became a British Crown colony and an important trading post and base for the Royal Navy. During the Second World War it was a key British garrison, controlling access to the Mediterranean. Gibraltar's fourteen sieges have led to it becoming "one of the most densely fortified and fought over places in Europe." Today it is a self-governing British Overseas Territory with an economy based largely on financial services, shipping and tourism. (Full article...)
8 points: 6 points for the tercentenary of the Treaty of Utrecht, the anniversary for which the article was written (as it marks the point at which Gibraltar became a British territory) plus 2 points for nothing similar in the last 6 months (or in fact ever).
This is the first featured article for Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Gibraltar, which I established back in 2007, and as far as I know would be the first-ever TFA on Gibraltar. For the avoidance of doubt, I originally wrote this article 3 years ago and got it up to FA standard to mark the tercentenary of the Treaty of Utrecht this July - there has been no external stimulus or involvement with the article. WikiProject Gibraltar has never been the subject of any controversy whatsoever and needless to say, there are no restrictions on Gibraltar-related TFAs, as there have never been any before. Prioryman (talk) 14:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support even though my cruise ship picked up the norovirus there to the (seemingly) lasting misery of other people last December, I will assume good faith here, and that the colony does not routinely engage in germ warfare. Or other things frowned upon by Misplaced Pages--Wehwalt (talk) 15:04, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Just be glad it wasn't yellow fever, Gibraltar used to be notorious for that! Prioryman (talk) 15:20, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- I was told I had to be inoculated against yellow fever when going to the Falklands. Which caused me some puzzlement (given the climate), until I realised that the yellow fever wasn't actually on the Falklands, it was because we had to stop over at that other sort-of bastion of empire, Ascension Island. Even though it was only for refuelling! --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:20, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. High quality article. High educational value. High encyclopedic value. Extremely relevant date. Unique topic. — Cirt (talk) 15:37, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose given the controversy around Misplaced Pages main page appearances of this topic. Andreas JN466 16:44, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Jayen466 fails to mention that he has been leading a campaign against running Gibraltar-related content on the Main Page, which culminated in him proposing a total moratorium on all such content in February (which was rejected by 27 votes to 2). He advocates an extreme view that any mention of Gibraltar on the Main Page is somehow "promotional". There are currently temporary restrictions on Gibraltar-related DYKs which require such DYKs to be reviewed by two editors, checked for COI/promotional issues and run at a rate of no more than one per day. No such restrictions apply to TFAs, nor would they ever have been necessary. There has never before been a Gibraltar TFA. The article has been through a GA review and FA review involving nine editors. At no stage has there has been any suggestion of COI or promotional issues, nor has Jayen466 made any case that there are any such issues with the article's content. I think it would certainly have been spotted after full GA and FA reviews in which, I note, Jayen466 played no part. I would also add that this article has nothing to do with Gibraltarpedia; it was written two years before Gibraltarpedia even existed, for a WikiProject that was established five years earlier. Prioryman (talk) 16:51, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Total moratorium for the next decade is a great idea. That will reduce Gibraltar's home page appearances on Misplaced Pages to a level commensurate with Gibraltar's real world presence and significance: tiny. Misplaced Pages is not for advertising by a micro-country, it's travel industry, nor anybody else. Jehochman 09:51, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Nice to have some more geography here, rather than all those tedious warships! ;-) Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 19:05, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Lovely article, just notify the airport and Gibraltar pollution control in advance, I anticipate a sudden dramatic increase of flights to the rock the next day...♦ Dr. ☠ Blofeld 20:52, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. Ticks just about every box. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:22, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Nice, a tercentenary is a really auspicious date. It fits all of the reasons for TFA. Silverseren 21:36, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose I am tired of seeing Gibraltar on the home page of Misplaced Pages. I think it would be best not to place any Gibraltar articles there. Let's show the full range of articles in Misplaced Pages, and stop over-representing narrow interests. Jehochman 00:58, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Gibraltar is part of the "full range of articles in Misplaced Pages", and we've never had a TFA. Rather than run three Indonesian films in two months (we have three already featured that haven't run, after all)? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Gibraltar has had an endless crapload of DYKs. There's been severe abuse in the form of a major public relations campaign involving editors sub rasa. Actions have consequences. We should not reward corruption. Jehochman 09:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- So, between the lines you're saying that we should punish uninvolved users for the actions of others? Something's backwards with that argument. Ed 10:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- I don't give a damn about punishing editors. Wikipeda is here for our readers. Home page appearances are not prizes given out to reward editors. When the home page has been abused as a billboard for the government of Gibraltar's paid publicity, we need to be senstve and stop placing Gibraltar content there for a long time, until everybody forgets, and an occasional article can appear without people saying, "Look those corrupt idiots at Misplaced Pages are back to promoting Gibraltar again." Jehochman 10:10, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- I'm neither pro nor anti Gibraltar, and I just comment here that though I look at the front page every day, I am not conscious of a surfeit of Gibraltar articles. I can't recall any in recent months, or indeed earlier. Would Jehochmann like to remind us of the occasions when what he elegantly calls the "crapload" appeared? Tim riley (talk) 10:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Are you feigning ignorance, or are you really unaware of this scandal: Gibraltarpedia. Read the article and address whether it is now appropriate to put more Gibraltar content on the home page of Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 10:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Come, come. Let us have no more unsubstantiated assertions. Kindly identify the "crapload" if it exists. Tim riley (talk) 10:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Come, come, let us stop playing the silly game called WP:ICANTHEARYOU. I've clearly identified what I'm talking about. If you refuse to address the significance of the Gibraltarpedia scandal, I'm not going to waste my time talking to somebody who ignores and belittles my concerns. Jehochman 10:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's a perfectly simple request. If, as you assert, there has been a "crapload", then surely you can identify the occasions when the said defecatory consignments have been deposited on the front page in recent months. I am sure we could all hear you, but you refuse to say. All but one of the other contributors above have supported. Are we all being misled? Please feel free to enlighten us. – Tim riley (talk) 10:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Did you read Gibraltarpedia#Controversy? It's all right there. Jehochman 10:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Three points: this article was written in 2010 for WikiProject Gibraltar, founded in 2007. It has nothing to do with Gibraltarpedia, which was established in 2012. Second, it was not written to promote anything. It was written to resolve a dispute within WikiProject Gibraltar over the article that is now Timeline of the history of Gibraltar (check the edits for March-June 2010), and it was brought up to FA standard to commemmorate the 300th anniversary of Gibraltar's cession to Britain. Third, the controversy over Gibraltarpedia is essentially over. The last news item on that issue (which Jayen466 had a major role in prompting) was published in February 2013. By July 13, that will be 6 months in the past. Prioryman (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Did you read Gibraltarpedia#Controversy? It's all right there. Jehochman 10:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's a perfectly simple request. If, as you assert, there has been a "crapload", then surely you can identify the occasions when the said defecatory consignments have been deposited on the front page in recent months. I am sure we could all hear you, but you refuse to say. All but one of the other contributors above have supported. Are we all being misled? Please feel free to enlighten us. – Tim riley (talk) 10:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Come, come, let us stop playing the silly game called WP:ICANTHEARYOU. I've clearly identified what I'm talking about. If you refuse to address the significance of the Gibraltarpedia scandal, I'm not going to waste my time talking to somebody who ignores and belittles my concerns. Jehochman 10:25, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Come, come. Let us have no more unsubstantiated assertions. Kindly identify the "crapload" if it exists. Tim riley (talk) 10:21, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Are you feigning ignorance, or are you really unaware of this scandal: Gibraltarpedia. Read the article and address whether it is now appropriate to put more Gibraltar content on the home page of Misplaced Pages. Jehochman 10:17, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- So, between the lines you're saying that we should punish uninvolved users for the actions of others? Something's backwards with that argument. Ed 10:05, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Gibraltar has had an endless crapload of DYKs. There's been severe abuse in the form of a major public relations campaign involving editors sub rasa. Actions have consequences. We should not reward corruption. Jehochman 09:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Gibraltar is part of the "full range of articles in Misplaced Pages", and we've never had a TFA. Rather than run three Indonesian films in two months (we have three already featured that haven't run, after all)? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Good choice for a relevant date and an unusual TFA topic. The article itself is great too, from what I recall of the GA review. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:26, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- It's definitely improved since then, thanks to our FA reviewers. Prioryman (talk) 06:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support A fine article, and a most timely occasion for it to appear. A topic of wide appeal, too, unlike some that are of national rather than international interest. Tim riley (talk) 09:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Wide appeal? You are kidding, right? Why is Gibraltar appearing on the home page of Misplaced Pages more often than New York City? Which do you think should get more coverage? We should not carry on the past corruption. Jehochman 10:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Certainly of wide appeal. Gibraltar is of interest to people in the UK, Spain, the rest of the EU, people with interests in military history, naval history etc etc. I don't know why you mention New York city but it is perhaps less so. Tim riley (talk) 10:18, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- I mention New York City because it is a major center of population, arts, business, history, and it has received just a fraction of the attention of Gibraltar. This is a severe violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV. Misplaced Pages is not here to promote the city, state or country that lavishes the most attention, favors and money on our editors. Clearly, some of you don't get that. Jehochman 10:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- More unsubstantiated assertions. Please provide the facts: the number of Gibraltar front page appearances, say, since the start of this year? Tim riley (talk) 10:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- More than 10. You are welcome to spend half a day going through the relevant history to come up with an exact count. Did you read Gibraltarpedia yet? Jehochman 10:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting. Perhaps there is indeed possibly something in what you say about DYKs. Happily it is plainly inapplicable to this article, which as we have established above, is of impeccable provenance and has been throughly examined at GA and FAC. I don't really understand the current DYK process, but I think you might like to raise the DYK question there, rather than here. Tim riley (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- He already did, only about 3 weeks ago - see Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know/Archive 93#Gibraltar. Not a single person agreed with him or his demand for a total moratorium. There have been, I think, 6 Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page in the last three months. Nobody but him seems to think that an average of 2 a month on the same topic (out of some 4,500 DYKs over the same period) poses some kind of mortal threat to Misplaced Pages. I might add that none of the DYKs has attracted any kind of controversy whatsoever, and one of them, which I wrote, was only a few hundred page views off making the list of all-time most-viewed DYKs - there's no doubt that they're of interest to a wide audience. Prioryman (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- If a group of editors (or one very busy editor) were to produce a series of high quality articles on New York City I'd really like to see them appear on the main page as well as the articles on Gibraltar. Nick-D (talk) 12:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- He already did, only about 3 weeks ago - see Misplaced Pages talk:Did you know/Archive 93#Gibraltar. Not a single person agreed with him or his demand for a total moratorium. There have been, I think, 6 Gibraltar-related DYKs on the Main Page in the last three months. Nobody but him seems to think that an average of 2 a month on the same topic (out of some 4,500 DYKs over the same period) poses some kind of mortal threat to Misplaced Pages. I might add that none of the DYKs has attracted any kind of controversy whatsoever, and one of them, which I wrote, was only a few hundred page views off making the list of all-time most-viewed DYKs - there's no doubt that they're of interest to a wide audience. Prioryman (talk) 11:43, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Interesting. Perhaps there is indeed possibly something in what you say about DYKs. Happily it is plainly inapplicable to this article, which as we have established above, is of impeccable provenance and has been throughly examined at GA and FAC. I don't really understand the current DYK process, but I think you might like to raise the DYK question there, rather than here. Tim riley (talk) 11:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- More than 10. You are welcome to spend half a day going through the relevant history to come up with an exact count. Did you read Gibraltarpedia yet? Jehochman 10:37, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- More unsubstantiated assertions. Please provide the facts: the number of Gibraltar front page appearances, say, since the start of this year? Tim riley (talk) 10:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- I mention New York City because it is a major center of population, arts, business, history, and it has received just a fraction of the attention of Gibraltar. This is a severe violation of WP:UNDUE and WP:NPOV. Misplaced Pages is not here to promote the city, state or country that lavishes the most attention, favors and money on our editors. Clearly, some of you don't get that. Jehochman 10:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Wide appeal? You are kidding, right? Why is Gibraltar appearing on the home page of Misplaced Pages more often than New York City? Which do you think should get more coverage? We should not carry on the past corruption. Jehochman 10:14, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Note: Comments have been made in the past that potentially controversial TFA nominations should be given wider publicity to ensure a greater community input into the decision in advance, rather than present a fait accompli. As this is such a nomination, I am leaving notes at Talk:Main Page, the village pump, WP:AN and WT:FAC. That should draw the attention of a good cross-section of editors. Bencherlite 10:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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I have done as Jehochman suggested (took 25 minutes) and there are eight DYK mentions of Gibraltar this year, three of them arguably relevant to his complaint, viz:
The other five are mentions in articles on anthropology, naval history, military history (x2) and art: namely:
Other front page mentions this year:
None of which seems to me to support any kind of conspiracy theory or charges of bias and – I quote – "corruption" among WP editors. Tim riley (talk) 12:00, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Come on. 8 DYK mentions of Gibraltar this year?? 13 Gibraltar hooks ran in January 2013 alone: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2013/January
5 Gibraltar hooks ran in the first half of February: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2013/February
That's when I stopped counting. Perhaps someone would like to go through the remaining months with a fine-toothed comb. Andreas JN466 17:34, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
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- Support This is a fine article and significant anniversary, and its main page appearance should be a no-brainer. I'm really sick about the grumbling about Gibraltarpedia (I appreciate why some people were concerned, but think that the issue was blown way out of proportion and it's time for everyone to move on). Nick-D (talk) 12:06, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Oppose That the Gibraltarpedia ridiculousness is still going six months later is mindblowing and ridiculous. At a certain point, for certain editors, playing Gibraltar-related games seems to have become an obsession. Let's stop this silliness right now.
—Tom Morris (talk) 12:31, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- For the nth time, this has nothing to do with Gibraltarpedia. The article was written two years before Gibraltarpedia even existed! Prioryman (talk) 13:12, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Just a question, Prioryman - Did the article in its CURRENT (or close to current) state exist 2 years before Gibraltarpedia, or was it improved during, or after Gibraltarpedia? From the way things are pointed out here, it appears to be the former. Also, when did the article become featured? TheOriginalSoni (talk) 23:46, 10 June 2013 (UTC)
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- Support, for exactly the same reasons Tom Morris opposes. Let's return to the status quo: Gibraltar is not to be treated any different than other locations, be they countries like Indonesia (mentioned / relevant to at least 2 TFAs so far this year and something like 65 DYKs), city states, or just plain cities — Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:49, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support, great article meeting all TFA criteria - and set to appear at the three-centennary! The combination of the three does not come by that often, therefore supporting.--Tomobe03 (talk) 12:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support this very nice article as TFA on a very relevant date. The Gibraltar issue has been dealt with at DYK, and the number of articles is not above that of any other topic which has an interested editor working diligently. Editors work on what they are interested in, and what this editor is interested in happens to be Gibraltar. If another editor wants to work on articles related to New York City (to use the example above), more power to them, and I'll support having their articles on the front page, too. Dana boomer (talk) 13:16, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Some editors have been interested in Gibraltar because they've been paid off, or recruited by those were paid off. We should stand firmly against that sort of manipulation. This article might be perfectly good, and I am sure that you personally are 100% acting in good faith, but because of past manipulations, at the end of 2012 they were curtailed but not entirely stopped, we must be suspicious. It's become a test of wills: some of those who were corrupted want to keep bulling ahead as if that will prove they've done nothing wrong. Jehochman 13:27, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support The reasoning of the opposers above (if you can call it that) is unconvincing. I see no evidence of a link between this and Gibraltarpedia. If the DYK issue has been dealt with, TFA is self-governing against overrepresentation. If they are neutral and up to standards, who cares what the motivation is for improving these articles? We are here to build an encyclopedia, are we not? And TFA is one method of encouraging people to build the encyclopedia, is it not? Acdixon 13:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Time to get rid of the anti-Gibraltar faction. Hawkeye7 (talk) 14:02, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Get rid of" where, mate? Carrite (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Here, preferably. Prioryman (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sorry, I meant "factiousness". The article is a fine one, the anniversary is appropriate, and there are no better claims on the date. Hawkeye7 (talk) 00:22, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Here, preferably. Prioryman (talk) 17:48, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Get rid of" where, mate? Carrite (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support quality article of historic relevance, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. The article is of proper quality and is nominated for a relevant date. The anti-Gibraltar arguments hold no water for me, particularly the complaint about too much main page exposure. By that argument, there are numerous topics that would be similarly disqualified (e.g.: athletes, pop culture, video games, etc.) and unless the same arguments are being made in TFA noms about those topics by the same objectors, I find it very easy to dismiss said objections. Resolute 14:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support. This is clearly a fantastic article, it has plenty of points, it's of broad interest (anyone interested in any part of European politics for the last thousand years should find something interesting here) and how often do we get a tercentenary at TFA? The "controversy" is the result of a handful of people who are determined to quash a conspiracy (even where no such conspiracy exists) instead of just being happy to see quality contributions to the encyclopaedia. You won't get me to agree with everything done in the name of Gibraltarpedia, but it's undeniable that it has resulted in hundreds of high-quality articles and that nobody involved had any ulterior motive. Or has the mainspace finally become less important than wiki-politics? HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 15:19, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Tercentenary is a significant commemoration. --Flexdream (talk) 15:30, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support The only reason to oppose this is to continue a silly Misplaced Pages political battle and to "punish" people who got mixed up in it. A reader who didn't know anything about the Gibraltarpedia controversy would not find this topic controversial in the slightest, only those who feel upset about the way that paid editing got mixed up with the improvement of Gibraltar-based topics and feel the need to take revenge by actively opposing Gibraltar based topics without regard for the quality of the article itself or the relevance to the date in question seem to be opposing this, and really, I've read the article, and can see no reason why it wouldn't be an FA, and given the relevance of the date in question, I also can't find any good reason why this shouldn't appear on the main page that date. --Jayron32 17:26, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support - High quality article. I don't have an objection to this one. Spamming the main page to keep Gibraltar constantly in view is quite another thing. Carrite (talk) 17:28, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- perhaps support, at the price of never seeing another Gibraltar DYK ever again. Mangoe (talk) 17:33, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Unproductive to continue this particular discussion, I think. Bencherlite 19:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC) |
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- Support: a beautiful article on a significant and unusual historical topic, coupled with an excellent anniversary. --Mirokado (talk) 20:29, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
Note: As the person who in all probability will be making the final decision here, can I make a few general points?
- There is no need for supporters or opposers to feel obliged to reply to points made by the "other side", especially if it would just be repetition of earlier material. I suspect it is unlikely that threaded discussions underneath someone's expression of opinion will lead to a change of heart anyway(!) and I should be capable of remembering and applying arguments made earlier to responses added later.
- Please would all participants do their best to keep the temperature cool here. Inflamed passions do not help.
- (I ought to be able to think of a third general point, because three is a good number for rhetorical purposes...) Oh yes, it's lovely to see so many new faces here. Please do remember to come again soon, either with nominations of your own or to comment on other nominations. Thank you all. We now return to our previously scheduled programming... Bencherlite 19:56, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support A 300th anniversary is a legitimate reason. The usual (and legitimate) objections to Gibraltarpedia's spamming don't, IMO, apply. – iridescent 21:35, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Just as an aside, note that Treaty of Utrecht says the Treaty was signed April 11, 1713. According to Britannica, the Treaty of Utrecht was "a series of treaties between France and other European powers (April 11, 1713 to Sept. 7, 1714) and another series between Spain and other powers (July 13, 1713 to June 26, 1714), concluding the War of the Spanish Succession (1701–14)." So the July 13 date is in there, as one of the dates on which the Spanish signed one of the constituent treaties (and it's the right date for this article), but you wouldn't know that from Misplaced Pages's article on the Treaty. Andreas JN466 22:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- So fix it!--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 02:08, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Just as an aside, note that Treaty of Utrecht says the Treaty was signed April 11, 1713. According to Britannica, the Treaty of Utrecht was "a series of treaties between France and other European powers (April 11, 1713 to Sept. 7, 1714) and another series between Spain and other powers (July 13, 1713 to June 26, 1714), concluding the War of the Spanish Succession (1701–14)." So the July 13 date is in there, as one of the dates on which the Spanish signed one of the constituent treaties (and it's the right date for this article), but you wouldn't know that from Misplaced Pages's article on the Treaty. Andreas JN466 22:50, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support From the conversation above, I see no indication that this is actually linked to Gibraltarpedia. Hot Stop 22:09, 6 June 2013 (UTC)
- Comment In the first line we say it was inhabited 50,000 years ago but the history is only 2900 years. Shouldn't the first words say "The recorded history of Gibraltar"? Moriori (talk) 00:44, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- What other sort is there? History is about recorded events. We might even say that 50,000 years ago is before history - pre-history even. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- You actually agree with me that history is recorded events, and that's why I suggested the word "recorded" be added. Just seems to me to be very ambiguous to say in the same breath we know there were occupants in Gibraltar 50,000 years ago but the it has a history of only 2900 years. Not a biggie. Moriori (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- "Recorded history" is a tautology. If it's not recorded, it's not history. In the case of the 50,000-year-old occupants, that's paleontology and archaeology. Prioryman (talk) 07:25, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- You actually agree with me that history is recorded events, and that's why I suggested the word "recorded" be added. Just seems to me to be very ambiguous to say in the same breath we know there were occupants in Gibraltar 50,000 years ago but the it has a history of only 2900 years. Not a biggie. Moriori (talk) 01:40, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- What other sort is there? History is about recorded events. We might even say that 50,000 years ago is before history - pre-history even. Hawkeye7 (talk) 01:12, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support TFA is indeed separate from DYK and that controversy is long past. So I believe there is no reason not to have the anniversary featured on the main page. TheOriginalSoni (talk) 01:00, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
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- comment Given the balance of the modern Gibraltarian economy the emphasis on tourism over its tax haven activities seems rather odd.Geni (talk) 06:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- If you look at the last sentence of the blurb, it refers to "financial services, shipping and tourism." Only the last is currently linked but there are articles in preparation on the first two, which will tackle the tax haven issue. Prioryman (talk) 07:14, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support Thanks for this - I needed a good laugh this morning, and I am delighted to see this on the front page. Oh and BTW if anyone has any ideas for working on a New York City DYK-scandal, pls. let me know, because I have plenty of ideas to make DYK entries there too. From my desk with coffee in the Netherlands (and still not bored of Gib), I greet all of you Gib bickerers, as well as any Treaty of Utrecht fans. Jane (talk) 06:04, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support – IMO, it has little or nothing to do with the Gibraltarpedia issues. HueSatLum 17:37, 7 June 2013 (UTC)
- Comment. It would be super-exciting if we could work with our dear friends at Wikipediocracy in order for them to inform their favourite journalist of the appearance of this TFA on the main page well in advance. That way, instead of merely providing a screenshot of the article being on the main page, as has been the practice in the past, the journalist in question could publish a
whinepiece of journalism specifically linking the WP main page as being the place to find the outrage in question. This would help under-educated people who frequent technology websites (like myself) to reach the sum of all human knowledge accessible at the Misplaced Pages main page, as well as helping to educate them about the History of Gibraltar if they subsequently view the article itself. It might even be possible (this is a technical thing, y'know) for the site in question to automatically post a pre-written piece by the prize journalist in question, at 00:01 on July 13. Win-win for everyone. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)- Sardonicism has no place in discussions such as this. --Jayron32 21:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- The ancient Greeks believed it to be the world's biggest island. Ah, perhaps that was Sardinia instead. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 22:10, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Sardonicism has no place in discussions such as this. --Jayron32 21:54, 9 June 2013 (UTC)
- Support as per every other support above. Russavia (talk) 19:38, 10 June 2013 (UTC)