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Star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame

She is expected get her "star" on the Hollywood Boulevard Walk of Fame in Hollywood, California sometime in 2004.

Did she? I can't find her on http://www.hollywoodchamber.net/ MrWeeble 14:09, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

She stated in an interview a while ago that she was waiting until she has a big movie out before she accepts it. Inductees can take up to 5 years to get it Dowew 23:39, 5 September 2005 (UTC)

1966 or 1968?

1966 and 1968 are both commonly given as Berry's year of birth on the Internet. Google gives 5,870 hits for halle.berry born 1966 -1968 and 9,830 hits for halle.berry born 1968 -1966. Of the pages that mention both dates, most give 1968 as Halle's year of birth, with 1966 as year her elder sister Heidi was born.

1968 is the date given by Encyclopaedia Britannica, the New York Times, and MSN. Credible sites giving the 1966 date include CBS and IMDB.

Overall, it looks like 1968 more probably the correct date, but the article should mention the strange lack of unanimity. Pterodactyler 05:09, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

When it comes to ages and models/actresses, usually the older age is the correct one. The IMDb age is more likely, if there was more compelling evidence for 1968, they would have changed it there. As for something more concrete than just which websites say what, Bedford High School says that she graduated in 1984, which would mean she was born in 1966. If her sister (Heidi)'s last name is Berry, then Heidi was born Oct 6, 1964.--Fallout boy 09:20, 23 December 2005 (UTC)

It's 1966. She confirmed that she is turning 40 this year

african american or bi-racial?

halle berry should not be refferd to as african american , her mother is white and she is bi-racial , that is not the same as african american , african american means both parents are african american , if somone has one african american parent , and one white , that does not make them african american also , they are bi-racial

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Where did you get the idea that both mother and father have to be african american in order to be considered an African American? If that is the case, then the overwhelming majority of African American in this country are bi-racial. How would you classify Booker T. Washington and Frederick Douglass. Both of them either had a white father. Also, Dorothy Dandridge was bi-racial as well, but is considered an African American by herself and everyone else.

But, this is why she is considered an African American. First, and most important, she (Halle Berry) has always referred to herself as an African American in nearly every interview she has given. Also, her white mother raised her as an African American. Furthermore, in nearly all of her films, she plays an African American, except in slave movies where she plays a mulatto African American. So, whats good for Booker T Washington, Frederick Douglass, and Dorothy Dandridge is also good for all African American, including Halle Berry.

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It's a shame that people such as Halle Berry don't embrace both sides of their heritage; both black and white. Instead of uniting us, this continues to divide us. I embrace all aspects of my heritage but first and foremost, I'm American. 67.141.72.139 20:26, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

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Well, I happend to agree with you, I am also beyond sick of the Black/White crap. I'm also bi-racial. And, I embrace both my African-American and White side of my family. But, in this world, primarily in the USA, I have yet to met a person who excepts me as a White or bi-racial person. I am branded as African American. Which is okay with me, because I love it! 65.134.208.17

Yeah I think that that new "lineage" thing, works good enough for me. The Fascist Chicken 20:35, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

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I can't remember on the 2000 census if it listed a spot for Bi-racial. If not, they need to do that and that will be a first step in healing the racial divide. Although, I know there are many more steps to take but I am sick of the black/white schism also. It may be our ultimate downfall. By just listing African-American on this article's page, it denies her white heritage also. 65.198.140.92 22:05, 22 September 2005 (UTC)

If she wasn't as hot as she is you wouldn't care what she called herself. Most Black people are mixed to some degree, but no ones gunning to call us all multracial. --Vehgah 21:59, 30 December 2005 (UTC)--65.188.253.47 21:57, 30 December 2005 (UTC)

Moritani akira 07:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Halle Berry refers to herself as African-American. Are you going to argue with Halle Berry? PennyGWoods 03:18, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. She is not the first person of multi-racial descent to self-identify herself solely as being of one race. Take for instance, Mariah Carey who, while always willing to tell people her makeup, also is on record as saying (paraphrasing) that although she has Irish blood in her, it's not as if she is going to go down to the pub on St. Patrick's Day and start shouting about it. Halle's mother is white, and her father is black. On that basis, she is bi-racial. But she self-identifies as black (or African-American), she says that she was raised that way, and that is that. As long as she doesn't start claiming a heritage that she clearly doesn't belong to, I think she can call herself anything she wants. -- Jalabi99 00:17, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

HALLE BERRY AND HER ROMANTIC LIFE AS OF 2006 & HER ACTUAL BIRTH DATE

First off, I have spoken to Halle Berry and the year, in which she was born, is 1966. She turns 40 this year on August 14.

Secondly, many have made more of Halle Berry's association with Gabriel Aubry more than it really was and some are still trying to make it look as though these two are still associating. Halle Berry is actually in love with another Canadian man, named Stuart. He is 5'7", too. I know Stuart and he has spoken to Halle. A person, who has been harrassing Stuart, framed him and made him look bad to Halle. Halle did not know the truth about Stuart for 6 weeks. During this time, Halle Berry was confused about Stuart's feelings for her and she nearly had a real 'fling' with Gabriel Aubry. According to Halle Berry, Gabriel and she did not really do anything. When she saw Gabriel at the Perfect Strangers party, to which he just showed up, she was confused and depressed about the situation concerning Stuart and she got friendlier than she would have, had she known the truth about Stuart. This will become verifiable soon.

I am trying to help Halle Berry and Stuart.

Akira Moritani

Moritani akira 07:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

You spoke to Halle Berry? Excuse me if I don't believe you, WP:AGF aside. Mike H. That's hot 08:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

And there's WP:NOR to consider too. --Chris (talk) 14:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I spoke to Halle Berry directly on about February 12 or 13, 2006. She is a really nice and very sweet person. More on this later, if I am permitted to. Otherwise, everyone shall know just by the visual impact of seeing her with Stuart.

Moritani akira 07:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

It's not about whether or not you spoke with her, it's that that is original research, something that does not belong on Misplaced Pages. If you had an interview with her that was later published, that would be a different story. --Chris (talk) 18:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Why do I feel that this particular "no original research" slam is partly motivated by jealousy (he talked to Halle, and you didn't)? ;) Yo, Moritani, hook up a brother with her digits, yo! -- Jalabi99 00:12, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Image

Berry has undoubtedly been filmed innumerable times, during her relatively long career, fully clothed. Is there any reason she must be portrayed half-nude here, especially insofar as she is not an obscure person who has never been seen by average movie fans in such a state? Thanks. --198.59.190.204 00:33, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

We don't censor. Actually, given that she is known for her beauty as much as anything else, I think it's appropriate. --Woohookitty 02:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

That's irrelevant when you consider that this picture is not used to discuss the film it was taken from, and is therefore not covered by fair use. The pictures used on this article have been removed countless times; can anyone find a picture of her that is not from a movie, like a PR photo or something? --Chris (talk) 06:58, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh come on. Again, look at Katie Holmes. Featured article. Batman picture right up front. I think we need to cool down on picture fascism. Mad Jack O'Lantern 07:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The fact that this error occurs lots of time in Misplaced Pages doesn't make it right. The {{film-screenshot}} template says cleary that the image can be used solely "for identification and critical commentary on the film and its contents". Are we going to change that? The same misconception always occurs with {{Magazinecover}}.

The Kate Holmes image is a {{promophoto}}, that may (in some cases) be used to "the person, product, event, or subject in question". --Abu Badali 17:34, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

There's now a freely-licensed image in this article: Image:Halle Berry,San Diego Comic-Con 2003.jpg. Jkelly 23:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

This is great news. Misusing a 'fair use' image is just the lazy man's path. Removing such images from the articles always end up with great peolple finding usable picture to replace them. Kudos to the photographer (for taking the picture and for realising under a free license) and to the uploader. --Abu Badali 01:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

her mother's ancestry

the article states that her mother is of "English ancestry", but i was under the impression that her mother was born (and raised?) in Liverpool. In which case she would be English (and who knows of what "ancestry"...). It's not incredibly important, but if she was born in england, then i think it's worth changing it. Amo 11:14, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a common mistake that her mother was born in England - it was her grandma. Mad Jack O'Lantern 13:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

I just added a link to a recent interview she did with the BBC, in which she clearly stated that her mother is "blonde-haired, blue-eyed", and from Liverpool. That should settle the issue, I think. -- Jalabi99 00:13, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Unsourced quote

"Her personality, as described by a co-worker, was expressed in these terms..."I can hardly believe how sweet and nice she had been to everyone. People who weren't half as beautiful as she did not display the kind of inner beauty she exhibited."" Mad Jack O'Lantern 13:27, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone source this section?

"*There is also some objection from certain X-Men fans, upset that Halle's light complection and only slightly above average height onscreen make her unfit to star as the X-Men character Storm. Storm is written as being a 5'11" half African American half Kenyan. Some fans have requested that someone else such as Angela Bassett or Nona Gaye replace her in the role." Mad Jack O'Lantern 20:28, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

It can sourced, but I'm not sure that message boards and film critics count as "sources". I was the one who originally brought up the Halle/Storm controversy, but it's been so mangled and POVed that I don't even recognize it anymore. What I was pointing out was the notable differences in height, age, skin tone, etc., while mentioning that hardly any of the X-Men in the movies were "right" for their roles and the entire movies series was written out of order, and so on. The poster who deleted that portion (User:ToGoodToGiveAName), felt the need to delete it w/o stating why. Aw, poor widdle angry fanboy.

There IS a big controversy about Halle (who is half white) playing Storm (who was 1/2 Kenyan and 1/2 black). The argument is that Halle was chosen merely because she is the top black actress in Hollywood, despite looking nothing like the character (not even a little bit). Seeing that racial politics in Hollywood is a pretty big deal - especially in terms of black actresses and their absence from the silver screen - I don't see why bringing up the facts without taking any particular side would constitute as POV. It's not just a "fanboy" issue or a "God she sucks" issue. It's much deeper than that, especially since Storm is easily the most recognizable black superhero, and one of the most prominent female characters in Marvel comics.

As for Bassett and Gaye, they simply seem to be fan favorites (again, message boards) - Bassett since the beginning of time; Gaye since her Matrix performances. Nothing particularly noteworthy. PennyGWoods 04:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Fine, but what you put in there is commentary. We need to make it more encyclopedic and not sound like a fan essay, which is what it reads like. And it is POV in spots. Many consider Berry to be curvaceous, so making a statement that she is petite would be a POV. I'll edit it a bit. It's too long too. We don't need 3 paragraphs on this. It should match the rest of the section. --Woohookitty 05:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I trimmed it quite a bit. I removed the part about criticism of the director of X-Men. If someone can come up with a citation for that, great. Otherwise, it's not needed. PennyGWoods, you said that the only source we could use for some of this stuff are fan sites or movie review sites. Then. We shouldn't mention it. verifiaibility and citing sources is very important. If it's not cited, then it's generally considered unusable for our purposes. --Woohookitty 05:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

It's funny how you claim I wrote a "fan essay" but can't seem to tell me which side I'm on. That makes me chuckle. Nonetheless, while I couldn't care less about your opinion, I have no problem with the edit.

Furthermore, I don't think I was the person who brought up Bassett/Gaye (I may have; don't remember), and I certainly didn't add it back when I did the martial revert. In fact, I specifically noted that those additions were merely fan opinion and nothing more. PennyGWoods 06:46, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Please try to be civil. I said it reads like a fan essay. I didn't say you wrote a fan essay. And even if I said you did, it's not required that I say what "side" you are on. --Woohookitty 07:11, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

You would've, had you been able to...which you can't, since...y'know. NPOV. Strange how you toss up all those Wiki policy tags when they never seem to apply. PennyGWoods 07:14, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I think I'd call saying you don't care what I think being incivil. And putting up unsourced material would be a violation of both WP:CITE and Verifiability. They all apply. I'm an admin with 25,000 edits. I'm not making this stuff up, Penny. --Woohookitty 07:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if you're the queen of bloody England. If there is unsourced material, point it out to me and let's get it corrected. If there's not, you're just rambling for kicks and showing off your status. Now, which one is it? PennyGWoods 07:21, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I already removed the most blatantly unsourced material. I'd like to see a citation for her saying that she's reduced to playing a comic book character. What was there was a citation from a movie review. Not really appropriate. Has to be something else out there. --Woohookitty 07:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

(typing very slowly) Halle Berry herself had to come out and correct this rumor in an interview, which was linked to. RUMORS tend to start on places like message boards and word of mouth. The reason why there is no direct link to any reputable sources is because...still with me?...it was a rumor. Yet it was a big enough rumor for Halle to have to defend. PennyGWoods 20:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Not sure why you are so condescending with me but I kind of wish you'd stop. It's incivil as heck. And it doesn't matter if it's a rumor or not. You should be able to find an article from a good source that mentions the rumor. That's good enough. Hopefully it's not the same article as the one where she denies the rumor, but if it is, so be it. --Woohookitty 00:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Last I checked, you're the one taking potshots at me and trolling on my user page. This would stop if you'd cut it out, but then you couldn't flash your shiny admin badge, could you? So go into your admin panel and all of its shiny buttons and just ban me instead, because that's the only way you're going to get me to NOT take your crap. Of course, you could also just...y'know...leave me the hell alone, but that would take common sense.

And just to help you out, it's "uncivil", not "incivil". (You're welcome.) PennyGWoods 00:24, 31 May 2006 (UTC)PennyGWoods 00:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

If you can cite a source that mentions the source of this rumor or whatever, go ahead. --Woohookitty 00:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)