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House rules

Allegedly, any notices left here will reach the ears of HereToHelp. If that is indeed the case, you'll want your entry to look presentable:

Use a new header for each topic.
Newest on the bottom.
Use colons to indent, never bullets. (hypocrite? what's that supposed to mean?)
Watch this page for 24 hours or so for a response.
Use correct speling, grammar; and Capitalization.
If you complain, be civil and no personal attacks. (that means you, POVing scumbag!)
You'll have to dig through the fossil record for older entries. (and hope they aren't extinct.)
Happy editing!

Archives

Aka the fossil record. (Ooh! Fossilized homo wikipedius!)

Dawn of time — January 2006 (Topics include: Welcoming, Community Portal redesign, Misplaced Pages's downfall, reverting vandalism to the Main Page, {{Jew}}, Star Wars canon, WikiProject Macintosh, fair use images, transparency, awards, and the beginning of an open editing session for the Main Page redesign)
January 2006 — March 2006 (Topics include: More Main Page redesign, {{browsebar}}, a possible RFA, Mac stuff, WP:NA, WP:CBB. another possible RFA that never happened, moving featured content pages, my "revert bias", a bunch of thank yous, asks for help from new users, the Article improvement drive logo as invloved with the header for the Community Portal, and some stuff about Portals. (And run-on sentances!))
March 2006 — April 2006 (Topics include: H5N1, RememberOctober29, an RfA that amounted to something (third time's the charm!), sockpuppets, Picture of the day, {{day+1}}, SuggestBot, RfA congrats, a lot about the Community Portal redesign and beyond.)
April 2006 — The end of the universe (current talk page)

Thylacine review

You recently reviewd the Thylacine article. I have just posted a large list of proposed changes on the talk page which you might be interested in. I welcome feedback. youcantryreachingme 03:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)youcantryreachingme (Chris). (PS - sorry if my formatting breaks your house rules; I'm still learning the syntax!)

I wouldn't call that recent, but I'll look at it.--Here T oHelp 11:44, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Removal from community board

You recently removed the Amphibian and Reptile notice from the board. The notice was not an introduction of the WikiProject, but one of the tasks it is undertaking which requires input from as many people as possible. We would like to fill up List of Anuran families, and cannot do it with the limited number of people we have. This notice was for those who might not be interested enough in the subject to join (or even look at) the wikiProject, but could have a photo for a missing family. --liquidGhoul 12:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but at least shorten it. That sounds a lot like a loophole to get your project mentioned. It's there for anyone who wants to see it. See WP:RI if you need any images. I wouldn't remove it again because I don't want to start an edit war, but at least shorten the entry. People can get to your talk page if they can get to your project page.--Here T oHelp 12:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Rightio. I agree a little with the identification bit, but the other bit I stand by. The requested images is a bit of a joke. New comers, and passers by usually are completely unaware of it, and they are who I want to attract by this as long term users tend to have uploaded the images that are missing in Misplaced Pages. I have been trying to fill the table for a while, and it is very hard since the frogs are all around the world. I have gotten all but one (which might be extinct) from my country, and need the help from those around the world. I am not sure if it is going to work, but it is worth a try to get some more content in an area which is quite lacking. I will add the article to the requested pictures page, and put it back up without the last sentence. Thanks for the help. --liquidGhoul 12:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

User notice: temporary 3RR block

====Regarding reversions made on April 20 2006 to Misplaced Pages:Community Portal====

You have been temporarily blocked for violation of the three-revert rule. Please feel free to return after the block expires, but also please make an effort to discuss your changes further in the future. The duration of the block is 8 hours. William M. Connolley 18:01, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I was reverting it to consensus version. Please see User:Zzzzz (who broke 3RR first) and Misplaced Pages talk:Community Portal#GAC.--Here T oHelp 18:03, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

There is an entire section on the Admin's noticeboard for 3RR violations, yet you are listing it under /Incidents. Obviously, you are new to such blocks.--Here T oHelp 18:08, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

lol. He listed it on ANI because he felt it was likely to be contraversial. Have you been to 3RR anytime recently? Thats basically where he lives. Syrthiss 18:15, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I don't see 4R by Zzzzz. B ut even if I did, that wouldn't excuse you. No, I'm not new to this stuff. I did it uner WP:3RR but listed it under AN/I because I thought it was of wider interest. "revert to consensus" is no excuse for 4R - the standard answer applies: if it was consensus, someone else would have done it. Looking through the talk, I could see nothing urgent about this issue William M. Connolley 18:17, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Then why did he not list it there? The controversy is only about the 3RR (and if he does live there, I take back my above comment). He also should investigate these incidents before making blocks, especially to established users who are aware of the policy (and such would only break it in extreme circumstances). Zzzzz, though he explained his resoning later on the talk page, used popups to revert it back as soon as he had said his thoughts (not waiting for approval to do so). Please, I was acting in good faith. I had warned him about 3RR in my edit summaries. He reverted it from the consensus version without a talk page notice, and then reverted an additional three times.--Here T oHelp 18:21, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

(Answering here because I can't answer there) "User:HereToHelp's behavior clearly shows the same deceitful mindset to ensure "their" way, its bad form, and likely the reason that project is generally held in such low regard." Just because it isn't policy doesn't mean we can't improve articles! And you also seem to have a "deceitful mindset" becuase you do not wait to discuss these changes with others. And who says the project is held in low regard? I was reverting to what we had.--Here T oHelp 18:26, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

I agree - this is about 3RR (well actually protecting your own version is distinctly Off). What I don't understand is your "only break it in extreme circumstances" - I don't see anything extreme about this, nor is there any indication of extremity in the talk.

I offer you the std: 3RR is preventative not punitive: you can be unblocked if you promise to be Good; ie abide by the rule William M. Connolley 18:41, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Sure.--Here T oHelp 18:42, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, that was not my own version I protected but the original. But I'll give it a rest. And who know's, maybe we can get a better system worked out because of this.--Here T oHelp 18:46, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

OK - unblocking you. Please wait 2 mins... William M. Connolley 18:57, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Okay, thanks.--Here T oHelp 19:00, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Zzzzz at it again.

This time he's removed GACo from Template:COTWs and using popups to revert if it's put back. --Barberio 10:33, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll tell him to stop, not use "live" pages as sandboxes, and get consensus.--Here T oHelp 12:10, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

213.83.78.72 returns to vandalize more pages

You put a 24h block yesterday on 213.83.78.72 (talk · contribs). Just after the block elapsed this user vandalized the same page plus three additional ones. (S)he deserves a longer block. Thanks in advance. Friendly Neighbour 15:27, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Userpage Credit

I saw you recently edited my userpage to include a reference to yours, which I based my layout on, but I thought that was a little humorous since if you read in the first heading, I already have given you visible reference: I would like to take a moment to give respect to HereToHelp, from whom I ~~stole~~ ~~borrowed potions of the layout from.~~ ~~(of course I need not say that the original text is not italicied. At least, I hope I don't need to say that ;) Hehe. -- Wizardry Dragon 20:56, 21 April 2006 (UTC)~~

Sorry about that!--Here T oHelp 20:57, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
It's all good man, I just thought is was funny :) -- Wizardry Dragon 21:04, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Yeah, I know. The idea is to be able to standardize this across the many mirrors and forks.--Here T oHelp 21:07, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

~~Sockpuppetzen~~
By the way, another thing that was inspired by your userpage (or more accurately, one of your subpages) is a list of sockpuppets I'm compiling at User:Wizardry Dragon/Sockpuppetzen, although it kind of took off and snowballed. (Just slightly). Might be of some use to you. I had one question though, is there a way to get a plaintext version of the normal TOC, that is to say, one not within the TOC div box? -- Wizardry Dragon 21:12, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Oh, that's hilarious. What if you could put it up where "defcon" is?--Here T oHelp 21:17, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
..And then defcon where the links and clock were. That could definetely work. The mindboggling thing of it, is that I've just scratched the surface. Probably won't ever do anything more than scratch the surface, but the busy work keeps the mind off real world stresses. -- Wizardry Dragon 21:30, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Is sockpuppetzen German or something?--Here T oHelp 22:13, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
It's me having too much sugar and making nonsense words, that's what it is ;) I just hope that list can be helpful to the Admins, because otherwise it's just another timewaster for me :) -- Wizardry Dragon 22:16, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

~~Image loading~~
Hi, I’m new to wikipedia and I was hoping you could help me with an image I just uploaded. I’m trying to put my dragon picture on top of “Books I’m currently reading”, but for some reason it keeps going to the bottom of the page. I’d really appreciate it if you can help me with this problem. Also, I put the source in the picture. Is that fine or should I put that in the caption? QuizQuick 00:15, 22 April 2006 (UTC)QuizQuick
First: on talk pages, the newest stuff goes on the bottom. Second, those four tildes (~~~~) give you your username and timestamp, so you don't have to type your name again afterwards. Third, you mean to have the image finished before the header starts? That will require a bunch of paragraph breaks. I'd do it and you see if you like it. Revert it if you don't like it.--Here T oHelp 02:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
Sorry about that HeretoHelp, Quiddity fix it for me. Thanks anyway. QuizQuick 03:09, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
HtH: Just fyi, pagebreaks need a space before the slash: <br /> ;) It's an xhtml thing. (I dont think mediawiki cares, supposedly(?) it self-corrects html in the wikicode to be xhtml compliant. but for background knowledge elsewhere... :)
Also, comment code delimiters should have a space after the beginning-dashes and before the end-dashes:
~~lorem ipsum dooby doo  monkey goldfish orange~~

~~--Quiddity 03:25, 22 April 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Thanks.--Here T oHelp 11:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)~~
~~yet another barnstar~~
~~Osbus's Cucumber Barnstar...for being the one of the coolest Wikipedians around! (after Osbus, of course)~~

~~Looking for some procedural guidance on 'AoD'~~
Hi! I'd be churlish if you weren't consulted On This, though I'm not sure you dropped by the mini-peer review and brainstorming on Talk: Arsenal of Democracy, so if this is coming at you cold, apologies. The principals of the matter and issue is pretty much self-contained in that link, so please share thoughts with me and Mel. Thanks! FrankB 16:55, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
~~Uh, what exactly are you suggesting?--Here T oHelp 17:02, 22 April 2006 (UTC)~~
Want to move the 'Cooly recieved' proto-article into sandbox, as the feedback points out that the amount of work to evolve it in the directions suggested are going to be very time intensive, and that just won't fit my schedule in the near future... The article is pretty much a concept that 'flunked' as you can readily see in the talk. Which is why I invited input in the first place. FrankB 17:13, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
I've got contrary suggestions from two who made a large effort to review the article, so that makes three with Mel's reaction this morning. So you need not bother any further. I didn't and don't know that it's current form fits well but apparently it will suffice for now. Sorry for the trouble. FrankB 17:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
A: get that ugly "click here to view the speech" out! That sort of thing—fancy formating, "click here" (never use that), and breaking the fourth wall do not belong in the main (article) namespace! Use highlights of the speech. What was really important about it? B: get the Wikisource box off the top of the page, it belongs under See also. C: shorten the timeline to critical events, turn it into prose. D: expand the stub section on the bottom. and E: tag with a cleanup tag (I'll do that); it needs it.--Here T oHelp 17:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
An interesting term, that fourth wall... one almost might interpret it to support my POV... i.e. My POV was the speech ought to be covered in toto and not require an extra link by any reader that made it that far. At least that way it's length balanced the timeline (more of an outline to organize and condense what might be pertinent, in actuality) somewhat (earliest days). I must however, bow to the majority. With all due respect to 'Ugly', I must infer you must really hate my user and talk pages <G>. I must say, I like your synopsis though.

Do you think that it would be creating a 'Fork' (re:ToC, irrc, or Text-search: Talk:Arsenal of Democracy#fork) per Hayward to split the WW-II timeline (As suggested by several) into a seperate article WW-II Key Events, or what would you suggest for that exactly. The suggested title could be expanded into a real nuts and bolts reference on the war to include materials (references) into (and from) a lot of articles. (I've since moved this into my user space while this was waiting in preview, so Arsenal of Democracy proper has suddenly lost a lot of weight. I should be so lucky!) FrankB 20:29, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

~~A Favour, if you Would~~
Hello again! I have a favour to ask, if you don't mind. I have to be offline for an indeterminate amount of time due to some pertty serious personal issues (as I mention on my userpage) and I was wondering if you would mind just watching my userpage in case of vandalism, and reverting it if it does get vandalised. Thanks in advance. -- Wizardry Dragon 00:56, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm going to be out of town in a few days (and as such won't be on, either). I could just protect it—Freakofnurture does that, he's an admin and nobody complains—and that's what I'm going to do for my page (and semi my talk page). Is that alright? (If you don't reply, I'll protect it anyway, assuming that you've already left). Or, you could get someone else to do that for you (tell them to look after mine, too.)--Here T oHelp 03:24, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
As long as I can get it unprotected when I come back, that's fine. Thank you very much. -- Wizardry Dragon 16:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Of course. Just tell me and, unless I have somehow gotten myself desysoped (and I don't intend to), I'll unprotect it. In fact, I may unprotect it and watch it after I get back. I also semied your talk page, so anons can't hurt it but most legit users can send you a message. It's the same stance I'll be taking for my page.--Here T oHelp 16:43, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
Thanks a lot. -- Wizardry Dragon 16:47, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

~~Complaints on templates - Arsenal of Democracy~~
~~On checking back... This could be interpreted so that reads harsher than the jolly tone I'd thought I'd struck— so look for the smiles while reading! FrankB 16:07, 25 April 2006 (UTC)~~
IMHO, tacking in a template like the below with a co-temporal requisite explaination and visible (new Section Tagged with same)justification in the Talk ought to be mandantory or else be treated with extreme contempt and removed on sight without such. I'm surprised at you!!! <Grins and a Tisk, Tisk> You left no source (on the template) trail at all!
Ditto 'Clean' templates, imho, in this case I believe your template applied should have been the better underconstruction as a more on point warning to the customer straying within. Cleans are better set within the talks along side the list of sins percieved by the posting party, and that way we don't appear to be a bunch of clowns to the 'customers', should they stumble across one. Then, together with Stubs the article can still attract other editting talent, and the stub warns the user well enough that the thing isn't yet matured, but is a work in progress. At the very least, any summary of an edit which applies such templates should clearly and prominently say so!!!
How is are we supposed to be polite and courteous to one another without an elementary statement as far as what is objectionable? In the below, what, pray tell, is the corrallary implied POV statement?
~~This was one of several speeches and measures given by Roosevelt to awaken and mobilize America to the very real dangers of being too inward focused.{{NPOV-statement}} 1~~
~~If the US wasn't so inward focused, why is FDR giving the speech? Sheesh! FrankB 20:55, 24 April 2006 (UTC)~~
Welcome back... Don't mean to rush you, but what's the deal on the above issue? I just gave a guy both barrells of buckshot over the change in Arsenal of Democracy... forgetting this nagging matter. See: User talk:Judgesurreal777 (He reverted once, see who's post is last).
~~I'll be back around in a few hours, if we can clear this up. I have no clue as to what is objectionable therein! FrankB 20:40, 28 April 2006 (UTC)~~
To break your monologue, I agree with Judgesurreal. Those templates are more specific, and that POVish sentence hangs off there and looks odd, so it's best just to eliminate it.--Here T oHelp 02:26, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
My impression was J-77 was objecting to YOUR text. But who knows now, and I still don't understand your post/template application/reasoning on that one line as you still haven't explained it, or I wouldn't have written above early in the week. (But!!! Let the thread die--email me if you like, but I'm not really that damn curious--I do care about properly leaving a edit trail for others. Harumpphh!) Documentation: Let the record show that I just noticed the link I gave above at 'NPOV-statement' is not the 'correct' one (which I just left now in this paragraph) on the branding of that one line.
I've just noted your recent changes on & to 'J-77' in a 'handshake exchange' on his talk, so let's let things be.

Not to debate, but doesn't your new version (Just added a para myself) essentially say the same thing as the line you tagged! I'm NOT going to hunt for the specific migration, but iirc what I just viewed, I don't see much difference in tone (i.e. effect!). :)
In any event, looks fine to me either way. I don't want to deal with this article now!

So I'm sure glad that's DONE! On with Life. Have a good weekend!
~~Best regards, FrankB 17:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)~~

~~help:contents~~
~~Just wanted to request your input at 4 Alternatives and the 2 sections directly underneath it. (man it's quiet around here. darned summer.) -Quiddity 18:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Question~~
Why change the colors on Portal:Numismatics/box-header. I wanted to make sure there was no official color guidline for portals, before I revert it(no offense). I understand the reasoning for the green (I think), but really, it just looks garish. Anyways, THNX :) Joe I 10:52, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I reverted. That green was indeed garish (and possibly US-centric, if that was the rationale ;-) and the yellow-text on top was nigh-invisible. I think HtH must have been sleepy ;-) --Quiddity 18:33, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Hey, portals aren't included in that guideline. --Here T oHelp 20:28, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
I dont think anyone implied DDGLO was being invoked?! (though it might have been nice to leave more of an explanation than "color scheme" in the edit summary ;)

I think the yellow text colour should be changed, if anything, as it's still hard to read. But it was even harder to read with yellow-on-green... -Quiddity 20:54, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
It wasn't. You take care of that then.--Here T oHelp 20:55, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
Sorry, didnt mean to step on toes. I was just scrolling my watchlist, and noticed, and fixed :) -Quiddity 21:27, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Need Help with Vandal (I have given him a warning, so he may stop)~~
Hi, I understand that you are an Admin here. I need help dealing with a minor vandal who doesn't seem to give up. I have a list of possible various IPs, maybe as a result of sock-puppeting; which may make it hard to really block or stop the vandal; unless there are a limited number of IPs. I guess you could also consider just temoporarilly preventing non-users from editing these partuclar pages which have been vandalised (hey, I'll be happy to get a User name!). The vandalism stems from one person, I believe; the person tends to like vandalizing articles which deal with or are related to the Dog behaviourist, Cesar Millan of the show, the Dog Whisperer; this same vandal also screws with pages like Dog aggression. Actually, all of those pages are the only ones I believe this person vandalizes. I think it all started from a debate which took place on the top/beginning of the Discussion forums; found in the Dog behaviourist Dicussion page. Person believes Cesar Millan should not be counted as a dog behaviourist; and is not worthy of the title, etc. As a result, I believe this person, using multiple IPs, has constantly reverted and vandalized the said articles, almost as an agenda against Cesar Millan, this past week (or maybe 2 weeks). I finally got annoyed enough to report this (though, I warn you, I used several swear words in the Dog behaviourist dicussions-page in a debate; as I recall, cursing is allowed in Discussion-pages? (freedom of speech). You will find my comments sprinkled in most of the said articles (and some of his). What the vandal does is basically try and remove Cesar Millan's name in dog behaviourist articles; or try and remove the title "dog behaviourist" from the articles (ex: Cesar Millan is a popular "dog behaviourist; the vandal will change that worse to something like "dog groomer" or "walker".) I believe the vandal believes what s/he is doing is benefiting the public; but the person refuses to dicuss his or her motives. You will also notice that this same vandal posted a news article on lawsuits against Cesar Millan immediately after the lawsuits have been revealed to the public; a good sign that the user has an agenda. Here is a post I have made in one of the Talk pages; which lists the possible IPs resulting from the same person:
Seeing as the Vandal (s/he tends to change Cesar Millan related articles) has multiple IP's, possibly due to access to a high school library or something similar, here is a list of the IP's s/he has used:
~~Possible vandals (could be same person), maybe as a result of "sock puppeting":~~
http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.106.22.254 :http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.106.1.138 :http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.105.67.50 :http://en.wikipedia.org/search/title=Special:Contributions&target=71.105.67.88

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.105.77.176

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=71.106.18.15

http://en.wikipedia.org/search/?title=Special:Contributions&target=216.111.117.50
This vandal has also removed / cencored information provided from some Users in the Discussions of the said articles. Dude hates Cesar Millan, but is too insecure to explain why (I have a hunch it is the person who started a debate earlier, which could be found in this same discussion-forum).
Assuming good faith, if the IPs are connected to the same person; I don't doubt that the person believes his or her efforts are bettering the community (in the debate above, s/he expresses frustration towards people who claim to be behaviourists, but without a degree or some type of "background" to back it up), however, you need to first discuss your motivations, and have it be RESOLVED. Cencoring others is NOT the way to go. If you personally feel that your actions are RIGHT; then, there should be no fear of discussing it with others -- in other words, if you are right, than you should be able to convince us of that.
In that post, I attempted to reveal the vandalist in a Discussion page by providing possible IPs, maybe to try and put a stop to it. Didn't work. I've tried reasoning with him (though lately I've been more offensive). Can you take care of this please? 67.164.209.137 20:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
A range block could probably get all but the last IP, but those are complicated I and I don't know how to do them. Let's go the diplomatic route ((s)he may listen to someone with authority). I'll post a notice on the talk page of the IP that vandalized first (71.105.67.50), and you can add to that if you like. Also, it probably would be a good idea for you to get a username if you are interested in helping out here. Just read our username policy first.--Here T oHelp 12:18, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
~~Thanks for the fast response! I will keep you up to date if the vandalism continues. 67.164.209.137 20:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Pink Floyd~~
My apology for having to undo your protection of Pink Floyd but Misplaced Pages policy is to not protect articles that are linked to from the main page. I know the article is going to get hammered in the next 24 hours but that happens with almost every featured article that hits the main page. Best, --Alabamaboy 01:02, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
I am aware. But there is no reason to keep the move feature open when it had been moved somewhere else and deleted.--Here T oHelp 01:03, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, I'm going to change my mind on this after seeing how much vandalism the article is getting and do semiprotection. If you'll support me we can make the case that the article is being hammered and there is no choice but to block new and anonymous editors.--Alabamaboy 01:11, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
What the hell is going on with this article? It appears that established editors are vandalizing it but I somehow doubt that is going on. I've protected the article so only admins can edit it until we can figure out what is happening.--Alabamaboy 01:21, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Good luck. I'm going o leave that to you.--Here T oHelp 01:28, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
Now it's back to semiprotection. What a pain with this level of vandalism.--Alabamaboy 01:30, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

~~List_of_fictional_universes#Motion_to_Revise~~
~~Hi-Need some wisdom and mature judgement; this article is chaotic at best: Talk:List_of_fictional_universes#Motion_to_Revise. Thanks FrankB 14:57, 9 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Asking for some guidance~~
~~I am asking your guidance on two points:~~
Where would be an appropriate place within Misplaced Pages to place or publish the following information? Perhaps the Community Portal?

Is it something that should be aired and discussed? What do you personally think?
................................................
I am a retired engineer and I have been surprised, to say the least, at the poor quality of many of the engineering articles on the Misplaced Pages, so I undertook an informal survey. There are 54 names listed under the Category:Engineer Wikipedians. Last week, I posted a questionnaire on each the the 55 User Discussion pages and asked them the following questions:
Are you a graduate engineer?

If so, in what engineering discipline did you receive a degree?

In what year did you receive your degree?
~~I received responses from about 16 of them. I also studied the user pages of those who did not respond. This is a summary of the information that I managed to gather:~~

23 of the 54 have engineering degrees

6 of the 54 are still undergraduates without degrees

25 of the 54 did not respond and had little or none of the requested information on their user pages

2 have Chemical engineering degrees

2 have Mechanical engineering degrees

5 have Civil engineering degrees

2 have Aerospace engineering degrees (or working in an Aerospace company with a different engineering degree)

6 have Electrical or Electronic engineering degrees

6 had other engineering degrees (Computer Science engineering, for example)

3 graduated over 10 years ago

4 others graduated over 5 years ago

3 are still in university as post-graduate students

13 graduated less than 5 years ago or did not provide their graduation date

Many engineers believe that it takes at least 5 years of experience before a graduate engineer is truly an experienced engineer. From that viewpoint, even if my above data are 100% in error, it is obviously apparent that Misplaced Pages has a real problem with attracting experienced engineers to participate ... and that probably explains why the quality of the engineering and technological articles is so poor. - mbeychok 19:35, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
People who responded knew their answers would be available to everyone. Instead of so much a survey, though, I would recommend starting WikiProject Engineering (to lay out standards and coordinate the logistics) or Misplaced Pages:Engineering Collaboration (to get your hands messy, as an engineer should, and get to work). Get the people who responded positively into it and start editing. Post it on the CBB.--Here T oHelp 20:34, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks for your prompt response, but perhaps I didn't make myself clear. My questionnaire didn't ask for any suggestions about what we should or should not do. I only asked the three questions in my above posting because I only want to first ascertain how many experienced, graduate engineers participated in Misplaced Pages. From the results I got, it is obvious that we have an appalling lack of experience engineers. The guidance I seek is: (a) is it worth making that appalling lack of experienced engineers known somewhere in Misplaced Pages and (b) if it is worth making known, where is the best place to do so? Regards, - mbeychok 22:15, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Have a link on the CBB to a userspce subpage you'll create with the results. Then talk about it as much as you like there and see if anyone else wants to start to do something about it.--Here T oHelp 22:26, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

~~An apology~~
~~This is really directed at you, I'd expect.. -Will Beback 02:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)~~
~~Okay. Thanks.--Here T oHelp 10:51, 11 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Joining the project~~
Hey HereToHelp. I'd like to join the Macintosh project, but I don't really know where to start; you all seem to know so much more than I do. I also have no particular subject I am well versed in. Is there a way I can, you know, just browse our articles for new stuff/vandalism/misspellings? Thanks. Scoutersig 19:23, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
We can always use extra hands, and all but a few people are inactive anyway. Join, and then take a look at the links at the top of the page. Check out the stuff on peer review and the Mac COTW. We going to be pushing iPod for featured soon; can you help with that?--Here T oHelp 20:20, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Help~~
~~User:CFIF keeps being uncivil to me. Could you please help me? CoolKatt number 99999 21:11, 17 May 2006 (UTC)~~
Why don't you stop playing the victim to other people and harrassing me on my talk page. Just because I listed your little prides of joy for deletion and started an RfC doesn't mean I'm uncivil. HereToHelp, to see the facts about him, look at my talk page and then please decide who's the uncivil one. --CFIF (talk to me) 00:37, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
If anything, I'm siding more with you. I would reccomend not messing with his subpages, not because they may be deletion-worthy but because they sparked this dispute. Give him his chance to calm down.--Here T oHelp 00:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, thanks. I think he's trying to push my buttons. --CFIF (talk to me) 00:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
He's over-reacting. Calm down, both of you, and we won't have to take his to ArbCom.--Here T oHelp 00:42, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Bill Clinton~~
~~I see we're teamed up to work on the Bill Clinton article at the US Presidents WikiProject. What do you have in mind as far as improving? --D-Day) 19:51, 18 May 2006 (UTC)~~
~~Shorten it, and maybe some NPOV tweaks. That's the general problem with most of the articles.--Here T oHelp 20:19, 18 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Your input requested~~
Hi HereToHelp,
since the talk page of WP:MAC has yielded unsatishfying results as of late, I'm asking you directly: I'm pondering the merge of all Macintosh II articles into one, since they're all pretty short and we have Macintosh II series anyway. You can see what that would look like in my sandbox. I'd also change all incoming links to links to anchor links, of course. Basically, I'd be bold and just go ahead, but I'd like the input of at least one knowledgeable editor beforehand to make sure that's it not a completely outlandish idea. By the way, I've also asked Wackymacs for his opinion. Hope to hear from you soon, -- grm_wnr Esc 13:28, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
~~Sounds good.--Here T oHelp 20:12, 19 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~WikiProject US Presidents~~
Hi! Just wanted to say that you've been doing a great job starting up the US Presidents WikiProject. Can't wait to get started properly myself once my exams are over. (One of which is on US Politics and Government. Eek!) ConDem 22:49, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. If you have time (like five minutes), can you look over my proposal?--Here T oHelp 00:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Sure. I'd actually already taken a quick look. Sounds like a good idea. ConDem 00:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not sure if Gangsta-Easter-Bunny and Eisenhower (no pun intended) will like it—they are probably some of the most active member other than me. But then again, I did the grunt work of doing the assessment (most of it, anyway) and I have experience in a WikiProject so I believe that I should have a pretty good view of where to go.--Here T oHelp 00:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Link to "all about Steve" from the Steve Jobs article~~
Dear "Here to help", I wonder how dare you speak of the website "all about Steve" as SPAM! It is one of the most reliable website about Steve Jobs out there, and its media resources (esp. pictures) are a very valuable addition to the text-based Misplaced Pages article. I hope you've been there and checked it out before calling it "spam". I might add that Apple-cofounder Steve Wozniak himself estimates it is trustworthy enough to put a direct link to it on its homepage, under the mention "if you are looking for a site on Steve Jobs" (check it out on Woz.org). Please consider this before erasing it from the Steve Jobs article.
~~Alright. Sorry.--Here T oHelp 14:18, 21 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Hello to you too!~~
~~Only been a Misplaced Pages contributor for a mere two years (and even wrote an article from scratch, and finally someone's said hello. Thanks! HiddenInPlainSight 14:17, 21 May 2006 (UTC)~~
The welcoming commitee isn't perfect...--Here T oHelp 14:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Actually, it became a game to see how long I could go without being welcomed - although you lot finally caught up with me in the end. I'd better start writing some more material, hadn't I? --HiddenInPlainSight 14:27, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

~~VandalProof image~~
Transparent background? Sure! ^_^ Only I may have to change the colors a bit, as the white won't be seen on the edges if the background is transparent. And thanks for the kind words! Master of Puppets 20:10, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
That is the WarMachine font, it's a custom one I got off the 'net; I'll send it to you via E-mail if you like. Master of Puppets 20:35, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
It needs to be Mac compatible.--Here T oHelp 20:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Wait. Never underestimate the power of Google.--Here T oHelp 20:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
Got it. Thanks anyway.--Here T oHelp 20:41, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Image:Macbookpro2.jpg~~
~~Turns out this image was actually from Apple's own website, the person who uploaded it as from Flickr was telling lies. — Wackymacs 18:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)~~
~~Lovely. That wouldn't be gorunds for blocking, but we should watch this.--Here T oHelp 20:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)~~
~~Yeah we should keep an eye on that page, good idea. He seems to be uploading lots of © images! — Wackymacs 11:48, 25 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Image:Seal Of The President Of The Unites States Of America.svg~~
Do you knw what's going on with this image? It won't display at all, but the image is still there when I click on the file. And isn't this older than one day? And why are there four revisions?--Here T oHelp 13:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
And why was the png version deleted?--Here T oHelp 13:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
There are four revisions because I was fine tuning the vector. I nominated the PNG for deletion because this replaces it. I'm not sure what you mean by it not showing up... it works in places like this: Template:USFirstLadies--Keeleysam 03:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Okay, okay. The only issue I have is the issues with it not showing up. It could be a server issue.--Here T oHelp 11:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Misplaced Pages often does that, I think its a server/cache issue. — Wackymacs 11:51, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
That's the problem with a donation-funded website. (It's worth it, though.)--Here T oHelp 12:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
~~svg version has problems. posted on User talk:Keeleysam --Oblivious 17:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)~~
I deleted the PNG version because there was a CSD notice on it and the rationale did seem very fair and sensible to me. THe SVG version then seemed okay to me, so I deleted it. Sorry for the error. Since it can't be restored, you'll have to re-upload it. Sorry for the trouble.--May the Force be with you! Shr e shth91 ($ |-| ŗ 3 $ |-| ţ |-|) 16:12, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Excellent User Page Award~~
~~For an elegant design and lots of great info, I present you with this Excellent User Page Award. –Frater5 (talk/con) 16:24, 29 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Template:WikipediaSister~~
~~Hi! When placing an image on the main page, please remember to protect it first. If it's from the Commons, upload a local copy. Thanks! —David Levy 18:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)~~
Sorry.--Here T oHelp 01:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
No harm done. :) —David Levy 01:19, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Thanks~~
~~Thanks for the links Josen 20:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)~~

~~Template:User engineer~~
Hey, thanks for changing the image for the User engineer box. I just grabbed the one for engineering stubs but would've picked some cogs if I'd know how to search for images. Journeyman 00:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

~~CoolKatt number 99999~~
~~CoolKatt is now making legal threats against me for reverting his edits. Assistance is needed. --CFIF (talk to me) 18:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)~~
If you stop reverting my edits, I will remove it. CoolKatt number 99999 18:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Except you aren't allowed to make legal threats at Misplaced Pages: (Misplaced Pages:No legal threats) --CFIF (talk to me) 18:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Fine, I will remove it. CoolKatt number 99999 18:44, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
That's not gonna do it because it will be in the page history forever, so you could face a serious block. --CFIF (talk to me) 18:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
how about this? CoolKatt number 99999 19:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, both of you, cool it. I'll leave both of you unpunished as long as this stops now. And I mean now.--Here T oHelp 19:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

~~Another update~~
~~See here. Carcharoth 13:08, 31 May 2006 (UTC)~~