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How do I enable Twinkle?

I want to open and AfD for Storle machine gun, but I can't find the option. Someone not using his real name (talk) 21:07, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Click the "preferences" tab at the top of the page and go to "gadgets" to tick the Twinkle entry. There is a save button at the bottom of that page.--Charles (talk) 21:21, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Displayed Locations of Photos in an Article

Summit, New Jersey has a lot of displayed pictures. Why can't the 3 pictures, which were inserted for display on the left side, also be displayed in their inserted sections, as noted below. Can anything be done to correct this?

I can see why many of the pictures for the right side do not display in the article section where they were inserted because there are so many pictures inserted in the previous sections that need to be displayed before them.

The picture for "Springfield Avenue, the main shopping street" is correctly displayed on the left side under "Geography" where it was inserted.

It seems the problem for the 3 other left side pictures is caused by the fact that the location where a picture is displayed on the left side is directly linked to the preceding picture file, which is inserted in the article's Edit text, that is for display on the right side. The picture file for the left side is not displayed, even if there is room on the left side in its inserted section, until the previous inserted picture file for the right side is displayed, which can be several sections further down.

1. Post Office - Inserted under "Local Government, but displays between "Media" and "Employers". It is displayed opposite the picture on the right side for "City Hall at the intersection of Springfield Avenue and Broad Street", which is the previously inserted picture file.

picture of a front entrance of a building with columns which says "United States Post Office, Summit NJ 07901.









2. Summit Diner - Inserted at beginning of "Landmarks", but displays under "Notable Natives". It is displayed opposite the picture for "Calvary Episcopal Church", which is the previously inserted picture file from the "Real Estate" section.








3. Bicycle Shop - Inserted at beginning of "Transportation", but displays under "References". It is displayed opposite the picture for "Summit Station", which is the previously inserted picture file.

Wondering55 (talk) 19:57, 24 June 2013 (UTC)







Hi Wondering55. It's clear that this article has WAY too many pictures. I would encourage you to be BOLD and remove many of them. A Misplaced Pages article does not need to contain every available picture of a topic, only what is needed to be informative. A few that are particularly pretty could be added into the Gallery section. I have added a link to the relevant category on Commons which is a photo repository - tellingly however this appears several fathoms below the main body of the article due to all the pictures! --LukeSurl 21:20, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

HMS Vestal DYK

Hi,

Please can someone/some people give me their opinion on my application at DYK?

Thanks, Matty.007 18:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

I would be happy to. I'm working on it now. SL93 (talk) 19:08, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks. Matty.007 19:25, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I responded. The only thing left to do now is to replace the forum reference with something reliable. Either that or can you remove the content and add relevant things with reliable sources until the writing is at least 1,500 characters. I'm not sure if you know this, but Misplaced Pages:Did you know/DYKcheck is useful for counting the characters. SL93 (talk) 19:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Just a note that another editor mentioned on the DYK page about one of their concerns. SL93 (talk) 19:39, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, I've fixed all of that. Thanks, Matty.007 19:53, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Uploading Pictures.

How do I upload a picture (That I took) onto an article I am writing? Omar Elgazzar (talk) 16:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Omar! In the left hand column there should be a link in Tools labeled Upload file. It will walk you through the process of uploading an image and the appropriate permissions that are necessary. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 17:02, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
If you are happy to license your image on a relatively free license (such as this one), please upload the image to the Wikimedia commons instead. This will allow the image to be easily accessed by all Wikimedia projects, such as Wikipedias in languages other than English. --LukeSurl 17:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Posting an image

I recently posted an image to be approved for the page titled "Western Golf Association." The image was of the official Western Golf Association logo. However, ClueBot NG removed it from the page.

I got a message that says if ClueBot is wrong then I can report it to appeal the decision, but when I click on the "report" link it takes me to edits I made months ago, rather than my attempt to upload this logo last week.

How should I go about resubmitting this image to be displayed on the Western Golf Association page if I can't report ClueBot's mistake? Betsy Drazner (talk) 13:47, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey, Betsy, welcome to Misplaced Pages and the Teahouse! I think there's a bit of confusion here. From what it looks like, you've uploaded the file but haven't actually inserted the picture into the article. Looking at , it doesn't look like you've made any edits to it that would've brought the picture into the article. What actually happened is that a different bot, User:Hazard-Bot, tagged the image you uploaded for deletion, since it's a non-free file that's not currently being used. Cluebot wasn't involved; that notice on your page is very old, which is why it links to very old edits. :) All you really need to do is add the image into the article, so that it's being used, and everything should be okay. Let me know if you need help on how to do that. Thanks! Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 13:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Just to add on, the image will not be deleted as long as you add it into Western Golf Association before Sunday, 30 June 2013. Don't need to resubmit. I recommend adding the code ] to the top of the page. cheers, ⊾maine12329⊿ talks✿wiki 14:51, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
That was quick! Thanks for helping me figure that out. I took your advice and now the image is showing up! Betsy Drazner (talk) 15:26, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Neutral reliable sources

I'm thinking of starting a page on a new travel company but the only sources it has are from the websites of it's sister companies. Would these sources be acceptable or would it be better to wait for press articles etc before beginning an article? (89.191.36.33 (talk) 08:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi there! Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. If this sort of coverage doesn't yet exist for the company, then the article should wait for a while. --LukeSurl 09:29, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Re: Misplaced Pages voice/ citations/ comments

Where can I find information on Misplaced Pages voice, what is and is not appropriate for it? When should the actual quote be added onto the reference at the bottom of the page? How can I get comments on my proposed edit which is on the talk page, from editors (or would administrators be appropriate) who are not involved with that project area?Petefter (talk) 06:09, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Dear Petefter: I am not sure exactly what you are asking about "Misplaced Pages voice", but there is a project to add spoken articles at Misplaced Pages:WikiProject Spoken Misplaced Pages that may be what you are looking for. You don't say which article you are wanting comment about, but from looking at your contributions I am guessing that it is Talk:Emotional Freedom Techniques. It seems that there is a lot of controversy about this topic. Have you posted a request for editor involvement at Misplaced Pages talk:WikiProject Psychology ? This may be in their area of expertise. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:11, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
May I make a correction? The article is Emotional Freedom Techniques. The talk page is just where you talk about possible contributions.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Conversion between English and simple. Can I take advantage of writing articles for wikipedia?

Can I convert (Reword it to make it simpler) regular Misplaced Pages English articles/pages into Simple Misplaced Pages pages? Of course that would require me reference where I got my information from.

Can I put in my resume that I had (hopefully in the future) written Misplaced Pages pages? Omar Elgazzar (talk) 04:24, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Omar, welcome to the Teahouse. Our licensing allows you to reuse content from English Misplaced Pages to other sites like Simple English Misplaced Pages which have compatible licensing. But you must provide attribution to the original authors; you can do that by linking from the talk page to the English Misplaced Pages article.
If by resume you mean an autobiography in article space, no, Misplaced Pages strongly discourages autobiographies. But you can have a user page in user space; see Misplaced Pages:User pages for what you can put there. —teb728 t c 04:43, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
I think what Omar means is that he would like to add his Misplaced Pages experience to his résumé. If, Omar, this is the case, that's really up to you; I don't see any reason why you couldn't.  — TORTOISEWRATH 04:54, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the Teahouse, Omar. Of course, the folks who run Simple English Misplaced Pages would appreciate your work to simplify some of our articles for that site. That site has much more information on the process.
As for your resume, you are welcome to list your work here, as long as you are willing to abandon anonymity (as I have), and link your Misplaced Pages username to your real world identity. This website is open and transparent. All your productive work here is available for anyone to review. I direct your attention to User:Drmies, a highly experienced content creator and administrator here. In real life, my pal Drmies is a tenured professor of English literature in Alabama. He listed his outstanding work here on Misplaced Pages (among other things, I'm sure) when he applied for tenure, and it worked. He got tenure. So, yes you can. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Simple wikipedia?

I was reading an article that was linked from reddit http://simple.wikipedia.org/Moondyne_Joe and I noticed the writing was REALLY bad. I tried editing the article but noticed the "feel" of the site was "off" somehow. How is Simple Misplaced Pages related to Misplaced Pages?Two kinds of pork (talk) 03:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

It's relation is that it is owned by the same group that owns the Misplaced Pages. It is written in Basic English. The article at Simple Misplaced Pages has detail on it. RudolfRed (talk) 03:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
(e/c) Hi Two kinds of pork. I actually emulated your name earlier tonight, Korean style. Yum. We have an article on the Simple English Misplaced Pages (SEW). In short, the SEW is intended to provide content for those with a very basic understanding of English. It is related to this Misplaced Pages insofar as it is also a website run by the Wikimedia Foundation, and shares the same software, but it is a completely separate site. Many people have said in the past that the Simple Misplaced Pages is something of a failed project, at least so far, as it has simply not attracted enough people to make it run smoothly and get its content up to snuff. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 03:52, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

BIOTEC Thailand: My created,BIOTEC, page was deleted

My name is Kultira. Presently, I am working as International Relations Officer at Thailand National Center for Genetic Engineering (BIOTEC), the official organization under the control of Thailand Ministry of Science and Technology. My duty is to be responsible for international collaboration and also all BIOTEC public relation both on domestic and international media.

As we believe that Misplaced Pages is a channel to publish and distribute our works, recently I was assigned from my superior to upload BIOTEC information to Misplaced Pages in order to deliver our information to other international biotechnology organizations. However, after all information had been uploaded for a while, the page was deleted by "User:MadmanBot". This user claimed that I copied the content from this website, http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=2465563, which was posted by our own researcher, and also this website is not relevant to BIOTEC at all.

As a result of above incident, I do understand that Misplaced Pages is the 💕 that everyone is able to access, edit or even delete some information. However, I would like to ask you for the suggestion because it is very significant for my organization. Do I have to put the references or fill in any information blanks on Misplaced Pages website?

I also sent you herewith a link to our website for your reference. http://www.biotec.or.th/. Please kindly note that most of information I posted is from my own organization website with correct authorization.

I am looking forward to seeing your reply soon.

Thank you, Kultira(Som) International Cooperation Section National Center for Genetic Engineering and Biotechnology, BIOTEC — Preceding unsigned comment added by PomeloatBIOTEC (talk • contribs) 01:58, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

On Misplaced Pages, it is strongly discouraged to write about something you are affiliated with. Misplaced Pages has a guideline regarding conflicts of interest. You can write about your company, but, again, it is discouraged. For a subject to have an article, it must have cite reliable sources and meet Misplaced Pages's notability criteria. Misplaced Pages also has further criteria for companies and organizations. If you still want to write about your company, you can consider drafting an article at Misplaced Pages:Articles for creation and submitting the article for review. You will have to remember that anyone can edit your article and you do not have ownership of the article. —Mikemoral♪♫ 02:18, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Kultira. In response to your question about text copied from a web site: Each editor who adds to Misplaced Pages must write as an individual (not a representative of an organization), and must use his or her own words, not text published elsewhere, even by others from your organization. I'm sure that you know Biotec well enough to write about it in your own words, so this shouldn't be a problem. You will have to be careful to write in a neutral, non-promotional fashion. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:49, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Kultira. You may be confusing Misplaced Pages with some other sites that allow organizations to create and control information about their organization. Misplaced Pages is not like that: Misplaced Pages is absolutely NOT a channel to publish and distribute your works. —teb728 t c 04:55, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Please also note that placing text that is found on another site verbatim is a violation of copyright laws. So unless you provide the appropriate documentation on permissions, you cannot copy the Ministry's web site or anything on it. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 16:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Kultira and weocome to The Teahouse. Another problem with copying text from your site verbatim is that it would likely not be written in the neutral style Misplaced Pages requires.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:50, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Can one reference an interview?

I own an historic 19th century house that I have lived in for most of the last 42 years. Many of our guests have asked us to post its history on wikipedia, but most of my knowledge is based on discussions with my late father and with my living uncles. Can I reference interviews?DrJamesBaker (talk) 18:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Dr Baker, welcome to the teahouse! Unfortunately personal recollections are not considered reliable sources; sources need to be published elsewhere. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello, DrJamesBaker. Although personal interviews aren't reliable sources, your living uncles may have kept newspaper clippings or may recall incidents which may have been reported in the news, leading you to find articles in the local news media or local history books. You may also consult the reference librarian at your local library, or ask at your local historical society to find written sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:56, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, Doc! Another strategy for making the information you have verifiable and hence usable would be to contact a local newspaper and try to get someone there interested in writing about it. Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:31, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Question: style (encyclopedic format?) and avoid peacock terms?

Hello, I have received the following comment to my submission: "This submission does not appear to be written in the formal tone expected of an encyclopedia article. Entries should be written from a neutral point of view, and should refer to a range of independent, reliable, published sources. Please rewrite your submission in a more encyclopedic format. Please make sure to avoid peacock terms, that are designed to promote or show-off the subject". Please, could you advise me on how to amend the article, I have no idea...:( Thanks a lot in advance for any help!!!! Miroslava Atan (talk) 17:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC) mira

Question moved to top of page. NtheP (talk) 18:45, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Miroslava, and welcome to the teahouse! One phrase that stood out for me as being unduly promotional was "has been a reknowned(sic) teacher". To describe someone in this manner in Misplaced Pages, you need to cite sources that describe her that way.
In addition, I think your references need formatting (see WP:REFB for how to do this), and I don't think the comprehensive listing of everything she has ever published is really required.
Finally, I don't think a Yahoo Groups message counts as a reliable source, and in addition many or all of your listed sources seem to be from the person herself or from organisations with which she was involved; so they are not independent. Articles should demonstrate significant coverage of the topic in multiple independent reliable sources - see WP:42. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

How do I upload an image to my sandbox article/how do I add a title??

Looking to finalize editing in my sandbox article and submit for consideration. I've added the image format but I'm not clear on how to actually upload the image.

Adding Title

I created my title as a Heading...however it is BELOW my table of contents and I want it above my table of contents. Please advise.

Thank you

Prey: The Beginning (talk) 15:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hey there, and welcome to The Teahouse. To upload images, you can check out WP:UPLOAD or upload to Commons if you're uploading a free image (e.g. something in the public domain). However, I want express my concern that the article you're creating is a conflict of interest because you seem to have some involvement in the project. We generally advise against making articles on topics in which you have a invested interest, because it is difficult to be neutral when writing about your own work. I encourage you to get a change in username and try contributing to Misplaced Pages in some other way. I, Jethrobot (note: not a bot!) 15:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

BLP and self-published sources

Hi all! I want to improve the article of an Indian politician, which is currently a stub. However, not much is available online, but I do have personal access to the politician, and can thus gather much more information via an interview. My question is whether such information will be accepted since it does not technically abide by the BLP guidelines and especially since we are advised to avoid self-published sources. Any help will be appreciated. Thank you. :) Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 08:08, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Avenue X, Sources do not need to be online; they are just easier to find if they are online. Sources need to be published reliable sources. An interview is not published, and (for the most part) a subject is not considered a reliable source about themself; so an interview cannot be used directly as a source. But the subject may be able to give you leads to published reliable sources. —teb728 t c 08:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I see. Thank you. :) Avenue X at Cicero (talk) 08:35, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Although an interview or other direct communication with the subject of the article can't be used as a reference in an article, an experienced editor may find this form of communication useful. The interview subject may be able to provide photocopies of significant coverage in reliable, independent sources that are not available online. Those who think that Google has been successful to date in digitizing more than a very small percentage of reliable sources are sadly mistaken. Talking with the subject will lead to a deeper understanding of the context of the topic, allowing an editor committed to the neutral point of view to better evaluate sources and place various points into a balanced presentation. Do not "believe" everything the subject says, but listen and hear. You can't use that conversation directly on Misplaced Pages, but you can often be informed by it in ways that will guide you to better sources and a deeper understanding of what the full range of sources say about the topic. Cullen Let's discuss it 04:35, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Regarding "Red Links" in articles

I have been working on disambig links and came across an article that has a lot of these red links (going to non existent pages). I am wondering are these all articles someone plans on creating? And do they just get left like that? When I come across a page that is linked to the diambig page and there is nothing suitable to direct the link to I just remove the link rather than create a non existent article page because then it would just be a red link with a blank article just like the ones I am curious about in this article correct? TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 03:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Tattoodwaitress and welcome to the teahouse. This link to redlink guidelines might help you as it has a section on dealing with existing redlinks as well as when they should and shouldn't be used. I hope this helps. Flat Out let's discuss it 04:01, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Ahhhh thank you for the link to the guide. TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 04:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict) There isn't necessarily someone planning on making those articles; the link is put in because someone considered the subject notable enough to potentially have an article, even though they possibly never will. Red links are generally especially welcome in lists such as these, simply for consistency's sake (this is an unwritten rule). See the policy WP:REDYES for more information. I hope this answers your question.  — TORTOISEWRATH 04:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Ok well it kinda answers my question but leaves me confused, which coincidentally is not hard to do. For example I was working on disambig links. The link to the bicycle store named "pivot" went to the disambig page. There is no appropriate link to direct that link to so i removed it. The original writer of that list thought that "pivot" (same with the other two that I removed I think it was two) the bicycle store was notable hence the original link. Now since it it suggested even encouraged to create these red links (to topics of notable content) should i create a red link for the one I removed? Am I making sense?TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 04:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Your edit to remove the link from Pivot was correct. It happens reasonably often people create a wikilink without checking that it is going where they expect it to go. I don't think you need to create a redlink by changing it to say ] but you could if you wanted to. Flat Out let's discuss it 04:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 04:28, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
The key to understanding when to and when not to redlink is in understanding WP:N. A good example of an appropriate redlink might be the addition of someone who was a state senator at one time to an alumni list in a high school article. As a state senator, the person is automatically notable, so a redlink would be appropriate. However, you will more often find in a high school alumni list that some person has added their girlfriend, and that would not be an appropriate redlink, unless of course she was actually notable for something other than her high school adventures. Gtwfan52 (talk) 04:32, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Got it. I understand that part. If i personally were going to create a red link I would use the knowledge at hand to do so. But I removed links that were already there. All the other stores in the lists on the page in question have links. Some red... quite a few red in fact....some not. The only ones without links now are the three that I removed so my question was since there were already links there because some other editor thought they should be linked and I quote TortoiseWrath above "simply for consistency's sake " was wondering if I should put red links in the spaces that I removed the disambig links from. No where in any of the articles/guidelines that I have been directed to does it state what to do in this particular case. I am fine with leaving them as I have left them but just wanted to do the right thing as far as wiki guidelines is concerned. Since I am not an expert in the topic of bicycles I have no idea if those bicycles stores are notable or not. Anyhow I do appreciate all the information regarding the redlinks as it was very helpful. I am sorry if I am over thinking this. Thanks again. TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 04:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
You could do that if you wanted to, by changing ] which as you said goes to that list, to ] but you are not under any obligation to do so and I would only do it if I knew absolutely that the company was notable. Hope that clarifies for you. Flat Out let's discuss it 05:51, 23 June 2013 (UTC))
Yes, thank you that's better. TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 16:03, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I'm just a user hanging out in the Teahouse because I learn things from some of the comments so I hope its OK to throw in my 2 cents but I disagree with some of what's been said. There is another policy that is relevant here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia:Write_the_article_first IMHO the days when making red links was a good idea has come and gone. Misplaced Pages needs to worry as much these days about quality control as just growth and having lots of links that go nowhere makes the site look less professional and reliable. Mdebellis (talk) 16:06, 23 June 2013 (UTC

Hi, Mdebellis. You are more than welcome to hang out here. This is where I learned most of what I know about Misplaced Pages! Although I couldn't agree with you more about the subject of redlinks and quality in general, I should point out to you that WP:WTAF is an essay, not a policy. Essays are kind of akin to the editorial page in the newspaper. It is the opinion of one or a group of editors on how existing policies should be interpreted, and not policy itself. I agree with it wholeheartedly, but their are editors that don't and their opinion is valid too. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:34, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for explaining the difference, I didn't know that. But I still disagree about the red links. To me its simple math. Its a lot easeir to make a red link then to make an article. Human nature being what it is eventually the red links will overwhelm the system. Besides although I'm just getting familiar with them its clear to me that there are now much better ways to document an article that needs to be created than putting a dead link that will confuse users. There are many different working groups with queues of articles to create. The appropriate thing IMO is to add new articles to those queues not to just create dead links. And if an artcile isn't important enough to go into one of those queues then that is a good indication the article will not and probably should not be written any time soon. Mdebellis (talk) 20:52, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Couldn't have said it any better myself! I am glad you are a Wikipedian! Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:57, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I gotta admit that I am pretty excited that my question has generated so much interaction here. I totally agree with Mdebellis and grateful for your thoughts. Cheers to all and Thanks TattØØdẄaitre§ lĖTŝ tÅLĶ 02:27, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

WP shortcuts

I have come across this before but I can't locate it now when I need it. What is the shortcut that applies to an edit which places new information in front of an existing citation, but the citation doesn't support the edit? Flat Out let's discuss it 03:40, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

WP:FAKE maybe? —Mikemoral♪♫ 03:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Mike, unfortunately that's not the one I'm after. For example: Flat out supported the Hawthorn Football Club in season 2012 . Then someone comes along and inserts "and 2013" in front of that reference which doesn't include that added information, when they should have edited; Flat out supported the Hawthorn Football Club in season 2012 and again in 2013. Flat Out let's discuss it 04:27, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
There's also the {{cn-span}} template which will highlight text that needs a citation specifically. For example, "Roses are red and violets are blue". {{Failed verification}} could be used to raise discussion on a talk page saying that a specific statement was not in the citation. {{Failed verification}} has a "talk" parameter which can be used to link to a talk page to discuss the issue. —Mikemoral♪♫ 04:53, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Mike. Flat Out let's discuss it 08:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Does this qualify for deletion?

File:Simon Raab.jpg does this qualify for deletion? I'm not sure what the specifics are regarding 'bad' language or signs. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 00:55, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello Aggie80. It does qualify for deletion, but not because the subject is flipping the bird. It is eligible for deletion solely because, when uploaded, the information about the source and licensing of the image is incomplete. --Jayron32 01:06, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment - Wikipeia is actually not censored, so if the image is uploaded per Misplaced Pages's policies, such an image is allowed on Misplaced Pages. ⊾maine12329⊿ talks✿wiki 02:23, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
The fingers are, however, not up to "Disney Standards" as I found out when I tried to buy my photo after riding Splash Mountain at Disneyland back in 1988  :) Flat Out let's discuss it 02:50, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Please note that even if this image was properly licensed for fair use, it could never properly appear on this page. All non-free copyrighted images can only appear in the article(s) where the fair use is claimed to exist. I have accordingly turned the image into a link by prefixing a colon inside the markup.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:58, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
That was more my newness in not putting the reference in correctly. I was surprised when the picture actually appeared. I'll never approve an article with a picture like that, I'll let someone with a higher tolerance for garbage do that. As far as I'm concerned, something like that detracts from the credibility and seriousness of Misplaced Pages and contributes to the overall decline of society.The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 13:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
As well as WP:Misplaced Pages is not censored, we have the guideline Misplaced Pages:Offensive_material. To put it shortly, while potentially useful material isn't removed because it may offend some, Misplaced Pages has no interest in being transgressive. As such if more "vanilla" ways of getting the same content across are available, these will generally be preferred. --LukeSurl 14:15, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
There is no need for such an image in the vast majority of our articles. On the other hand, we have a well referenced article on Finger (gesture) where a freely licensed image of the hand gesture is entirely appropriate. Let's not conflate licensing and copyright issues, which are legal ones, with issues of editorial judgment about which images are appropriate for which articles. That is not a legal issue, but more a debate about encyclopedic value in the context of serious discussion of a specific topic. In my view, images should be chosen to inform and educate, rather than to shock and alienate. But when we are dealing with socially taboo topics, these decisions can be difficult. Cullen Let's discuss it 05:17, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

Article Titles

I know I'm being really stupid but I have a total blank on how to do something. I've got an article written on my sandbox "User:Ned1966/sandbox" which I have just submitted to go live but I want the title to be "Hugh Murphy" (Level 1) but there is no where for me to specify that. If the article is accepted how will it be titled? How do I name the file? Ned1966 (talk) 20:19, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Ned. What you are looking for is how to move the page: that is how page titles are changed. When it has been accepted, you pick "Move" from the toolbar at the top of the page (in my case it's hidden under a down-arrow, but I think that may depend on your preferences) and move it to "Hugh Murphy".
However, while I'm not doing a full review, I can see two major problems right at the start of your article: first, it doesn't have a "lede" or introductory section, before the first heading, to give some context to a reader who happens on the article and has never heard of Hugh Murphy. It will probably start "Hugh Murphy was a record producer who worked with ...". Secondly, the second sentence describes him as a "talented and clever record producer". This is an example of what we call peacock language: rather than being neutral, as fits an encyclopaedia, it is slanting the text in his favour and telling the reader what to think. In general, evaluative words like "talented" and "clever" should be used in Misplaced Pages articles only if they are directly from a cited reliable source: you can say that "Melody Maker called him a talented and clever producer" for example, but the article should not itself say it.
You've made a good start at the article, but like many people's first attempt, its referencing is inadequate. Really, every incident, fact or claim about him should be cited to a specific reliable source; for example the bit about David Bailey. Some of your references are to other Misplaced Pages articles, which is not allowed as a reference (Misplaced Pages is not a reliable source) but is very much encouraged as a wikilink. So rather than saying Shel Talmy with a reference, write ], which will appear in the text as Shel Talmy. Youtube is usually not regarded as a reliable reference either. On the other hand, some of your references do look like good ones, but you can improve them by formatting them better, with author, date, and link to the specific page. See WP:Referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 23:30, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Dear Ned: There is another way to move your page. In the large yellow submission box there is a line of text which says "Warning: This page should probably be located at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/sandbox (move).". Click on the word "(move)", and you will be taken to another page which will warn you that the page already exists. In the "Move Page" box below, change the name from "Articles for creation/sandbox" to "Articles for creation/Your page name here". (substitute the name you want) Then click on the "Move page" box. Your page will be moved to the new name. The "Articles for creation" part has to stay until the article is accepted, then it will be removed. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:17, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Many thanks for your help on this, much appreciated. I have a question about references though. Quite a lot of the quotes I've used have been sent to me by e-mail from associates of Hugh's. Is it OK to use them as I have done or do I need to reference them? And if so - how do I do that?

I have left the Youtube refs in place as they are pictorial and I have the license to use stills from the video. Ned1966 (talk) 12:31, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ned1966. No, all citations must be to published reliable sources, and all quotations must be cited. Please see Misplaced Pages:Verification. This means that you cannot use such quotes at all, unless and until they have been published. As for how to cite, please see Help:Referencing for beginners. If you have any specific questions about citing after reading that page, please ask. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 13:22, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry to keep on about this but is there any way that I can use some of these quotes? Hugh is dead but his wife has contributed her comments about him and some of his well known friends have also contributed. Can they confirm to you by e-mail that these are genuine thoughts? There are many people who have expressed their interest in seeing this wiki take shape.

Ned1966 (talk) 18:12, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes, but not on Misplaced Pages. Misplaced Pages is an encyclopedia, a tertiary source. It properly only contains information previously published in reliable sources and should never contain any information that is not verifiable through those previously published secondary (and to some extent, primary) sources; it should never be used to discuss, reveal or treat new information. Moreover, by core policy, every quotation must be cited using an inline citation to on of those reliable sources. Please see Misplaced Pages:Alternative outlets for some a list of possible other sites where this material, unsuitable here, might find a home. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
OK - I accept I can't use the supplied quotes !! Back to the drawing board - I need to do even more research. Thanks you for all your help.

Ned1966 (talk) 22:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Possible Wikilinks

I saw a tool/script which suggests the possible Wikilink in an article. I though it could be very helpful for newly created articles. (as usual) I can not remember what was the tool/script. (I am not talking about Find Link) --Tito☸Dutta 20:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Is this Misplaced Pages:Scripts#Wikilink_filters what you're looking for? Sorry I'm not as familiar with scripts. If not maybe WP:TOOL or Misplaced Pages:Tools/Greasemonkey user scripts...? Hopefully another host can jump in >_< ⊾maine12329⊿ talks✿wiki 02:37, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
This article Flaming Idiots has an orphan tag on it which has a link that seems to find suggested links. I'm not sure what script it calls. —Anne Delong (talk) 02:59, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Cannot edit headline or first para of article I created.

Hi. I'm trying to make some changes to the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/Ashrita_Furman.

Although I created it and do most of the maintenance to keep it up to date, I cannot find a way to edit the headline or the first para of the article.

I know it's probably staring me in the face, but I can't see it. I'm completely stuck on this and I'd be grateful for any help.

Northstar7 (talk) 17:02, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Northstar7, and welcome to the Teahouse. To edit the first section of an article, you can edit the entire article by clicking Edit at the top of the page (usually next to "View History"), instead of on the right or beside the section title. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 17:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
If by "headline", you mean the title of the article, you should see a down arrow at the top, which when clicked allows you to move the page. To edit the top paragraph, you can either click edit in the top tabs and edit the whole page, or go to Special:Preferences and find the option that reads something like "add links to the lead section of articles".--Gilderien Chat|List of good deeds 17:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Just as a note, it is possible that due to 'preferences' settings you see a "plus sign" instead of the normal "edit", or that the choice is buried in a dropdown. Revent (talk) 19:46, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Pictures

How do you add pictures to an Article ? Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 15:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The image needs to be uploaded either to Wikimedia Commons (for freely available images) or to Misplaced Pages (for fair use images). Then you link to the image file in your article. WP:IMAGES is a good introduction. You can open the edit window on an article that has an image to see the coding for that image. I hope this helps. Cullen Let's discuss it 16:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)


Thank You So much. Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 17:05, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Talk to another editor

Hi, i'm new to Misplaced Pages. I just added some comments which was removed by another editor. I would like to communicate with the person. Can you tell me how to do it. I checked the talk page tutorials and found it rather confusing and verbose. Thanks! Rajsundar0703 (talk) 14:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Rajsundar, I see that you know that you should sign your posts on talk pages. On the editor's signature, there should be a link to his talk page. Just click that link. On his talk page, create a new section by clicking New section (beside the Edit button). From there, fill in your message as well as the title and save the page. Further discussion about the same issue/topic will continue in that section. Cheers! Arctic Kangaroo (✉ • ✎) 14:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you very much Arctic Kangaroo. Will look into this! Rajsundar0703 (talk) 14:38, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Just feel free to ask here or on my talk page if you ever need any more help.
Arctic Kangaroo (✉ • ✎) 14:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Does creating an account hide the IP address of old edits or only new edits?

Does creating an account hide the IP address of old edits or only new edits? I created an account but when I go to the edit history of pages I have edited, I still see my IP address. Cytokinetics (talk) 10:16, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Cytokinetics, when you create an account, any edits you made as an I.P will remain visible. Flat Out let's discuss it 10:32, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Furthermore, while edits made with an account are not publicly associated with an IP address, your IP address is still recorded in Misplaced Pages's datasets. However this information can only be accessed by a small number of users (currently about 40 people), and they would only ever use this power if there were grounds to believe your account was being used maliciously. --LukeSurl 11:14, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Advice

I have seen this this type of edit history quite a few times where an editor makes dozens of edits without explaining why - and often the edits are just inserting and deleting the same information over and over. Notices on the editors' talk pages were reverted by them (Two IPs, one editor) but my question is when this type of thing presents itself, is it best to reinstate an earlier version, or to pick through the edits and see if anything useful has been done? Thanks Flat Out let's discuss it 09:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Flat Out - have you read the section on edit warring at wp:3RR? That might help. It seems like asking for others to be involved is one of the steps, so you are on the right track.—Anne Delong (talk) 10:11, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Anne Delong, I am conversant with edit-warring and wp:3RR. My question is about editors making dozens of edits in a row without using any edit summaries and whether experienced editors would address this issue by restoring an earlier version and risk losing some good edits among the madness, or whether they would go through diffs one by one and decide how to proceed. Flat Out let's discuss it 10:28, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, annoying as it is when there are no edit summaries, I don't think that this is a reason for reverting to an earlier version. You may want to revert for another reason entirely, and I would probably remind the editors involved to please include edit summaries, but just the fact that there are no summaries isn't a reason to revert in my opinion. So I guess if it were me I'd be checking the diffs before doing anything drastic. —Anne Delong (talk) 10:48, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks Anne Delong , I eventually found the definitive answer at WP:VANDNOT and you are, unsurprisingly, right on the money. CheersFlat Out let's discuss it
And there is the aspect of time. When I am creating a new article, and haven't submitted it for review yet, I typically don't bother filling in the Edit Summary. It isn't going to add any value to anyone until it goes live and really needs the tracking and history. If I miss a comment on something that is 'live' it is an oversight rather than intentional. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 14:07, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Archiving

Hi,

I use Cluebot III to archive my talk page, but it made two separate June pages. Is there a reason for this, as opposed to having simply archive 1, archive 2, etc.

Thanks, Matty.007 08:27, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello there Matty.007! Between Cluebot III's 19 June and 21 June archivings, some people played around with your archiving settings. They were changed in this and this edit. I believe you want to change your |archiveprefix= value to end with a slash, i.e. |archiveprefix=User talk:Matty.007/Archives/. Plus I think you want |index=yes --LukeSurl 08:57, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi, I had indexing on, but Cluebot put a list of random articles instead of the archives down the side. I asked for help, and Mdann52 disabled the indexing. Should I turn the indexing back on?
Thanks, Matty.007 09:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
oooh, I'm not sure about that. Mdann52 probably knows more than me so I'd trust him on that one. But your missing slash in |archiveprefix= is definitely the cause of your duplicate June archive. --LukeSurl 09:15, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks LukeSurl. I have fixed that, but there are still two archives. Will this be changed automatically? Thanks, Matty.007 09:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
No. You'll have to merge them manually. You've got until 17:21 UTC until Cluebot archives your oldest talk page post, so that should be plenty of time to get everything sorted. --LukeSurl 10:20, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, thanks for the help LukeSurl! I have already merged them, and deleted the second page. However, it is still showing on the archive links. Will it go this evening? Matty.007 10:44, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
To be honest, I'm not sure. But with your current settings, Cluebot will try to archive things to User_talk:Matty.007/Archives/2013/June. If you want to get everything in one place, put it all there. Then get the other archive pages speedily deleted (reason U1, user request) as I see you've done before.
Ultimately, are you sure you want to use automatic archiving? As you can see it generates quite a few headaches. Personally I just manually archive things when my talk page gets too big. You can use Template:Archive box without calling Cluebot. --LukeSurl 10:58, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

How do I respond to another user

I am trying to respond to two users who have sent me conflicting information about fixing the article I'm working on. Where is this done? PacifiCali650 (talk) 20:23, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi PC650. If an editor has contacted you on your talkpage it is best to reply there to keep the conversation in one place. If it on an article talkpage also reply at the same place. We start with a colon to indent the reply for clarity. The other editor will be watching the page and see that you have replied.--Charles (talk) 20:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
PacifiCali650, if you think that the person you are trying to answer hasn't seen your message, you can leave a "talkback" message on his or her talk page. To find out how to use these messages, check out:Template:Talkback. —Anne Delong (talk) 20:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
If you mean replying to myself and the other editor who replied to you further down this page (I don't see our advice as conflicting, incidentally), then you click Edit alongside the section heading for that section, and then write your reply with the appropriate number of : characters for indenting at the start of it, then sign your comment with four tildes, then enter your Edit Summary, then click Save Page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:57, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Can you Help me with a Page?

I just Created a page Camp Creek, Tennessee and need some help adding some stuff. Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 19:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Jesus Lover0000; the first thing you should add are some references to reliable sources. If there was a tornado at Camp Creek, there must be some news articles about this incident. You can add the name of each newspaper, the date, and the title of the story to your article to confirm the information. I've added a television reference for you. —Anne Delong (talk) 19:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok thank you Anne Jesus Lover0000 (talk) 20:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Citing a reference

I am a new contributor and am still finding my way around. I am adding to the San Mateo, California article and I've noticed that my references at the end are not like the original ones. My references are not colored light blue to where you can open them. What am I doing wrong? Ron Wick PacifiCali650 (talk) 18:58, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Ron, welcome to the Teahouse. To get web URLs to link to they have to enclosed in single brackets. If you add those to all your references that should solve your problem. However it is preferred that something more than a bare URL is use and a title as well would be the minimum expected. To do this you use url, space, then title, all within the brackets to produce BBC. Hope this helps. NtheP (talk) 19:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Ron, you've also duplicated a lot of material and sections within that article, so that the Table of Contents, for example, looks like this:
16 Notable residents
17 See also
18 References
19 Further reading
20 External links
21 Other services
22 Prominent places
23 Media
24 Sister cities
25 Notable residents
26 See also
27 References
28 Further reading
29 External links
This needs fixing. Articles only need one References section, one External Links section, one See Also section, and one Further Reading section, not two of each. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:28, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

how to improve an article to be published

Hi, I just received my article rejected and I would love to be helped in improve it and to publish it. Thanks, Erasmus Solutions in Cooperation (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Erasmus Solutions in Cooperation, you have a lovely name! Welcome to the teahouse! The most important thing to do is to add sources to the submission. See WP:42 for what sort of sources are needed, and WP:REFB for how to add them. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 15:35, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello. Looking at Misplaced Pages talk:Articles for creation/Food serenity, you have written that food serenity is a concept devised by an organisation called Erasmus Solutions in Cooperation. I am assuming from your username that you are connected to this organisation. Writing on Misplaced Pages about an organisation you are part of (such as one's employer) is considered a conflict of interest. Because Misplaced Pages tries to maintain a neutral point-of-view such editing is discouraged. Sorry. --LukeSurl 16:16, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Another problem that you may have with "food serenity" is that if your organization has made up the term themselves, it may not yet be in general use. Misplaced Pages doesn't include articles about terms that are new and haven't been written about in independent sources. —Anne Delong (talk) 17:20, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to The Teahouse, Erasmus Solutions. I was going to say this but it is already on your talk page. The username you chose is not allowed and should be changed. I'm just documenting this here for those who might have wondered.— Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:13, 24 June 2013 (UTC)

References issues

I normally don't come to the Teahouse for help, being a host and all, but I think you might be able to help me in this case better than the village pump. I've been trying to fix up my first article, Bluetongue Lizard (mythology). This includes fixing references. I'm trying to add the "accessdate" parameter to the Mythology of the World reference. I've tried everything that I can, but it won't add "Retrieved 27 May 2011" to the end of the reference. Would somebody please try to help add this? öBrambleberry of RiverClan 14:56, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi, Brambleberry of RiverClan. I added a url parameter to the reference (the url links to the book's Google Books entry), which for some reason caused the accessdate to appear. Jakob C2 15:12, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
To the best of my understanding, the access date is used mainly with web sites, because their contents can change from day to day, so someone might click on the link later and the information would be gone. Books don't have this problem, and are usually the same no matter when you open them, so book references don't really need an access date, although it doesn't do any harm. (If I'm wrong about this, someone please correct me.) —Anne Delong (talk) 15:55, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

TFA

Hey, hello everyone. I need help to request TFA for One Tree Hill (song) Miss Bono 14:46, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

EBY , How's that process? Miss Bono 16:39, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
  • It's on the page, but briefly: 1) Add up the points of the article, there is instruction how to do that on the page. 2) Let the major editors of the article know you are nominating it. (Look on the talk page and the article edit history to find the editors most often found) 3) Enter the article on the nomination chart (Date you recommend - should be pretty far out, Article link, points, and any notes.) 4) Create a blurb on that page (format it like the others). Watch the page, answer any questions that come up. Editors will vote but unlike the rest of Misplaced Pages, the Featured Article has a single editor who makes the final decisions. EBY (talk) 18:15, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

need to rename an article

I just created a new article but I think I need to rename it. I've never renamed an article so wanted to double check before I do it to make sure I'm following the proper process. The new article is http://en.wikipedia.org/Irish_Tour_1974 There was already a dead link to it on this page: http://en.wikipedia.org/Tony_Palmer_(director) so I started the page by clicking on that link and then letting it create the stub for me to which I pasted the article I had developed in my sandbox. The problem I realized after doing this is the name for the movie is just "Irish_Tour_1974" and there is already an article for the double live music album that came out with the movie called "Irish_Tour_'74" here: http://en.wikipedia.org/Irish_Tour_%2774 to me its confusing to have two articles called "Irish Tour '74" and "Irish Tour 1974". The actual name of the film and album is "Irish Tour '74" so my proposed change is to rename the film article: "Irish Tour '74(Film)". My understanding is to do that I click on the little drop down arrow up near the top and choose "Move". I assume it will prompt me for the new name. Will it fix that link and any other links? Is there any problem with changing the name of an article that has just been created? Anything I am getting wrong or should also be doing? thanks in advance. Mdebellis (talk) 14:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Mdebellis! Normally you would have to file a move request, but since you are the only editor of said page, you can just move it. I recommend that the proper article title be Irish Tour '74 (film) instead of Irish Tour '74(Film), as the former meets the Manual of Style. Happy editing! öBrambleberry of RiverClan 14:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Did that. I need to remember to check the MOS more often. As a favorite math teacher of mine used to say "when all else fails read the directions" :) Mdebellis (talk)
I renamed the page and I'm in the process of checking/updating any links. One other point, its just a few minutes since I renamed the page and the new name doesn't show up when I use the Link gadget in the editing tools. I start to type in what should give "Irish Tour '74 (Film)" as a possible completion and I don't see it. I'm assuming that there is some back end process that updates these things and it takes some time (?) but just wanted to document it in case this means I did something wrong. Mdebellis (talk) 15:36, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I typed in "Irish Tour '74 (Film)" into the search box and hit Enter, and it came up. It just takes a while for that to show up. öBrambleberry of RiverClan 15:44, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for double checking. Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

One last thing if any admin wants to rapid delete the original page "Irish Tour 1974" (my understanding is after deletion that page stays for a while) I think that would be fine. I'm 99.9% sure I've changed any links to point to the new destination. Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

And this is totally random but anyone ever hear of Agile Software Development or Extreme Programming? Because the more I edit the more I realize Misplaced Pages is Agile Development only for content rather than code. The parallels are amazing. I know that's more for a nerd discussion but for what its worth I couldn't resist throwing it out there. Mdebellis (talk) 16:31, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

May I know how I can improve my article? and a question regarding sources...

I made an article ( Link is attached for reference.) I would appreciate it if anyone can enlighten me on how to improve the article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Piso_Point

Magnesite88 (talk) 14:00, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

  • Hi Magnesite88, welcome to the Teahouse. Looking at your article, it isn't quite there because its format doesn't meet the usual guidelines for a location article and there aren't Reliable sources to provide information for the article. The reviewers left you directions on how to find those. As to format, take a look at Promontory Point (Chicago) for a decent article on a "point". Let us know if you need more help. Good luck! EBY (talk) 22:49, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Another Question

I wanted to add categories to the new userboxes I created. But I don't know how! Miss Bono 16:08, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Ok, do you have HotCat enabled? if so then do you notice the box on the bottom of your userpage? there should be a "+" symbol, click it and enter in a new category, once you are done that you may click the redlink and create your new category. Regards Prabash.Akmeemana 17:52, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
No, I don't have HotCat enable, and I don't know how to do it. Miss Bono 18:10, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I realized I do have HotCat enable. Let me see if I can do that. ;) Miss Bono 18:13, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
I can't find any box on the bottom of my page. I don't have a full interface for Misplaced Pages. it ia very restricted for me. Miss Bono 18:20, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Okay, what browser are you using? webpage incompatibility could be the reason why you cant see the box? I highly recommend Google chrome. But it should look like a gray box at the very bottom of your userpage. Prabash.Akmeemana 18:40, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
See the details of my browser in my user page. I dont think that's the reason. Where I work, there is a ver very restricted use of wikipedia. that's why I cant see the real interface of wiki Miss Bono 18:46, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Miss Bono, I guess it is the internet connection then. So yeah just let it be I guess until you get home. But I can create the categories for you if you want? Prabash.Akmeemana 19:21, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
When I get home I wont have Internet at all. So I will be glad you create the categpries for me, or add the userboxes to the right category (already created). User:Miss Bono/Userboxes. Thanks! :) Miss Bono 19:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Hi Miss Bono. If you are using {{userbox}} as the base template, you can add to it:
| usercategory = name of category (without "category:")
You can add others using:
| usercategory2 =
and
| usercategory3 =
If you have made the templates from scratch—basically a table of your own divising, you can just add to the template's code (I suggest at the bottom)
<includeonly>
]
</includeonly>
Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Wao. I am on my way! Miss Bono 12:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Article rejected for lack of citations

I recently created a new article (http://en.wikipedia.org/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/William_Volk) and the reply was that it was rejected for lack of citations.

While I understand the general concept of citations, I am not sure of the "mechanical" requirements for Misplaced Pages and would like some help regrading this.

Some examples in context would be a big help along with some clarification of the appropriate use and overuse.

With your help, I hope to meet all the requirements for this to be a successfully accepted article.

Sincerely,

Bryan Kilburn (talk) 19:23, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the question. Please take a look at WP:Referencing for beginners.--ukexpat (talk) 19:31, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Bryan, you can click on the links in the actual rejection notice for helps on the citation. The good thing is that you have more issues with the formatting then with the content. Drop me a note if you are still having trouble and I'll do what I can to help. The Ukulele Guy - Aggie80 (talk) 03:07, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

How can I make this more space efficient but still keep all the information

Hello.

I am working on creating a page for the Arts Theatre Cronulla in my sandbox. This list of productions runs quite a way down the page. I am currently adding all the links to this section and wondered if anyone knew of a trick/technique or whatever to make it a bit more space efficient but still as easy to read chronologically?

This is the link to my sandbox - http://en.wikipedia.org/User:Take-too/sandbox


Thank you in advance for any assistance.

Take-too (talk) 09:50, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Take-too. A few options are available:
Or, and this is by far the best option, you can scrap most of the information there. Misplaced Pages policy mandates that subjects in embedded lists must be notable. If the productions themselves are notable, you can include the information in the article, but Misplaced Pages doesn't want or need every iota of information about a topic. Your best option would be to remove most of the listed content (no-one's going to read through it anyway) and restrict yourself only to those productions that gained significant press coverage. Yunshui 雲‍水 10:02, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Hello Yunshui.

Thank you for your quick reply.

I am a bit confused over your answer. Most of the plays that have been produced at the Cronulla Arts theatre are "notable". I understand what you are saying, but then if that thought process is taken too literally then why not just have a page with a couple of lines of text and a whole lot of external links. I thought that the point of the encyclopedia is to include the information in a simple and linkable fashion so as the reader doesn't have to go off the site?

It definitely would be a lot easier for me to take your final option as I can just chuck it all out and stick to the base facts, but I feel I may be doing a disservice to a lot of people that have been producing work for over fifty years.

I don't wish to sound cantankerous but I just want to do the best work I can.

Regards, Dean.

Take-too (talk) 10:24, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Dean. I agree with Yunshui. Just because a play is notable, does not mean that every production of it is notable. I actually think that there is far too much listing of details all over Misplaced Pages, but a particular problem with listing productions for a theatre is that it is a list which will lose its value unless somebody keeps it up to date. Much better to remove the list, and concentrate on a few production which are individually notable. --ColinFine (talk) 12:16, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have been a bit clearer. Colin has the right idea - the plays may be notable as texts, but the list refers to productions of those plays. The issue of notability therefore refers to those specific productions, not to the text of the play itself (for example, my old school's performance of Macbeth would not be notable, even though Macbeth indisputably is). A production would be notable if it had received a number of reviews in the national (not local) press, for example, or perhaps if it were the debut of a play that later went on to win considerable acclaim. If it was the acting debut of a performer who later became a Hollywood star, that might be a reason to include it. However, an exhaustive list of every production ever put on at the theatre, whilst a commendable bit of research work, isn't really what Misplaced Pages is for. Yunshui 雲‍水 12:26, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
Thank you both for your consider replies. I will take your advice and throw out the list. I should have asked earlier as it would have saved me a couple of days work. It's a shame though. I would have like looking at, and reading it. And maybe I would not have been the only one. But I am a beginner so...I will do my best to fit within the excepted standards.

Regards, Dean

Take-too (talk) 22:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Two ideas - 1) Contact the theater, they may love that info for their own website, and 2) Lesser-known plays sometimes keep lists of the productions where that information may be relevant. Don't get discouraged. Every experienced editor can tell you the names of the articles they went down a sinkhole on, just to realize most of the work either didn't fit or never stuck. EBY (talk) 04:53, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
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